14. Ovulation, Breastfeeding, and Being A Chinese Daughter ft. Georgie Ma (Chinese Chippy Girl)

The pressure is real when it comes to having kids. Georgie Ma from Chinese Chippy Girl Podcast talks about growing up as the only Chinese person in school and how it has shaped her to be the mother she is. We discuss the struggles of conceiving a baby, being jealous when friends get pregnant, breastfeeding norms in society, growing up as Chinese immigrant daughters, and the preference for boys over girls in the common Asian household. Regardless if you want kids or not, this episode explores the joys and challenges of motherhood for Asian millennial women. And we talk about sex.

Highlights: 

• Georgie is ovulating! What happens next?! 
• What it’s really like behind closed doors when trying to make a baby 
• Feeling jealous when everyone else was getting pregnant 
• Georgie’s mom didn’t want her as a baby 
• Mom’s devotion to Guan Yin and Chinese herbal pills 
• What would you do if you witnessed racism in a supermarket?
• Microaggression and subtle racism in school 
• How much we love Gen Zs 

Takeaway: 

• Turning 30 means you are reborn again. You start from zero.
• Be considerate when we asking others if they want to have kids 
• Society is telling you your eggs are expiring, but what matters is what you tell yourself
• If you see something is wrong, speak up - even if you might be wrong

Resources:

• Chinese Chippy Girl (Instagram)
• Chinese Chippy Girl Podcast by Georgie Ma
• One Sky Organization (Website)

Episodes mentioned:

• Episode 1: What Is Our Shit?
• Episode 2: Meet Kristy at Baggage Claim
• Episode 3: Meet Angie at Baggage Claim 
• Episode 5: Give Kristy the D
• Episode 6: Give Angie the D 

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Transcript

Georgie Ma: [00:00:00] how long are you both? 

[00:00:01]Kristy Yee: [00:00:01] Good. Good. It's Sunday morning for us over here. 

[00:00:04]Georgie Ma: [00:00:04] I know it's like six o'clock in the evening, 10 past six in the evening here. So I've just had my tea. mail, , 

[00:00:10] Kristy Yee: [00:00:10] some of ours too,  

[00:00:11] Georgie Ma: [00:00:11] sorry, but it maintained, I mean dinner, huh?

[00:00:14] Kristy Yee: [00:00:14] Huh? 

[00:00:15]

[00:00:15] Georgie Ma: [00:00:40] Yeah. So it's basically, in UK is it's a Northern thing. So. When, uh, people in, uh, North of the UK, they're more likely to say, Oh, you know what, you're having for your tea, 

[00:00:53] Kristy Yee: [00:00:53] but 

[00:00:53] Georgie Ma: [00:00:53] it doesn't necessarily mean like a cup of tea. It means dinner. And then sometimes when you go further down South in the UK, they'll call it supper.

[00:01:01] But generally it's it's dinner. And it's really? Yeah. So I don't have the T that's in your hands. I have actual, you know, like a orbiting and dull Caribbean rice and yeah, like a proper, Oh, 

[00:01:16] Kristy Yee: [00:01:16] I love it. Proper, like, so British. 

[00:01:20]Georgie Ma: [00:01:20] have some chips with it, you know, 

[00:01:22] Kristy Yee: [00:01:22] like, I'm sorry. I'm just like, was just like what you said just now was so British.

[00:01:27] You're like, Oh, I have some like Uber gene, like, like proper, like that was just like all British all the British world. I love it. I love it. 

[00:01:36] Georgie Ma: [00:01:36] So 

[00:01:36] Kristy Yee: [00:01:36] happy to have you on here 

[00:01:37]Georgie Ma: [00:01:37] , this is so exciting because I came across you. I can't remember when it came across you in the summer, just like Jonah pandemic. And at that time I was trying to find a Chinese community that I could connect with. And I started listening to quite a few, A podcast. And this is before you guys had a, had the podcast, actually, let me rewind back a little bit.

[00:02:00] I actually found you guys on Instagram and then you were announcing that you were going to be launching a podcast. And I thought, I dunno know, I just felt, it was just so funny. Like. what you were doing. I think there's one of the, there's a pace where you open up a champagne, but then there's glass all over the floor.

[00:02:19] Kristy Yee: [00:02:19] Yeah. 

[00:02:21]Georgie Ma: [00:02:21] And I always thought, yeah, I'm a big fan of 

[00:02:25] Kristy Yee: [00:02:25] excellent. Yeah. That's when, um, we broke my champagne flu because we were trying to do a photo shoot.  photo shoot, that'd be thick and it was super windy. 

[00:02:35] Angie Yu: [00:02:35] And, uh, 

[00:02:36] Kristy Yee: [00:02:36] as we were taking photos, the selfie stick started to fall over and it was next to all the champagne glasses, like both of them.

[00:02:44] And so they come in a set of four. I already broke too. So I had two left and then. Okay, goodbye. Now I have one champagne flu.

[00:02:55]Georgie Ma: [00:02:55] . 

[00:02:55] No, it's good. I've listened to quite a few American Asian podcasts and it's, although the content is quite good book sometimes through a British person.

[00:03:05]It sounds a bit weird, but like culturally it's, it's not quite the same. I don't really know how to explain it. Um, whereas for example, the British, so BBC British bull and Chinese, some of the podcasts is quite relatable because the vast majority of the time, um, Our parents have just have immigrated from China or Hong Kong to the UK.

[00:03:28] We're all brought up in a takeaway. Um, and we were all basically forced to work in a post take with, from a young age. So it felt like that  there's that connection. And some of the Asian American podcasts, it didn't really have that. Well, yours is completely different though, because I just like how.

[00:03:46]You get, Oh, 

[00:03:47] Kristy Yee: [00:03:47] this is 

[00:03:48] Georgie Ma: [00:03:48] what I'm a bit nervous about because you get really deep into the skin. You really get effort all out and I'll just look that like you don't, you didn't shy away. Just ask those questions. Like you have this really, I don't know, not awkward. Isn't the right, the right terminology. And you rarely get asked and out, like, basically you make people feel really uncomfortable, but it's great.

[00:04:14]Kristy Yee: [00:04:14] I'm so glad because that's exactly what we're trying to go for. Yeah. Thank you so much validation ever. 

[00:04:24] Georgie Ma: [00:04:24] Oh, thank 

[00:04:26] Kristy Yee: [00:04:26] you. And this is amazing 

[00:04:28] Angie Yu: [00:04:28] like we're building this 

[00:04:28] Kristy Yee: [00:04:28] community of, you know, Asians of Chinese from all around the 

[00:04:32] Angie Yu: [00:04:32] world 

[00:04:33] Kristy Yee: [00:04:33] and now we're finally having conversations together about it. And I think Judy you're right, because like, just because we're 

[00:04:40] Angie Yu: [00:04:40] Chinese and we're born in a 

[00:04:42] Kristy Yee: [00:04:42] Western society, our experiences are not all the same.

[00:04:46] We can relate to each other in some things, 

[00:04:49] Angie Yu: [00:04:49] because. Maybe our parents say the same dumb 

[00:04:51] Kristy Yee: [00:04:51] shit and have the same expectations. 

[00:04:53]Angie Yu: [00:04:53] But 

[00:04:54]Kristy Yee: [00:04:54] like for you as a BBC, it's it's, there are some things that's, 

[00:04:57] Angie Yu: [00:04:57] you know, hard to relate to 

[00:04:58] Kristy Yee: [00:04:58] with, um, ABCs. I 

[00:04:59] Angie Yu: [00:04:59] almost said ABG 

[00:05:03] Kristy Yee: [00:05:03] and then assess 

[00:05:04] Angie Yu: [00:05:04] CPCs Canadian, born Chinese.

[00:05:06] Kristy Yee: [00:05:06] Well, me, I suppose. Angie is China born Chinese and aboard Canadian? I don't know. 

[00:05:12] Angie Yu: [00:05:12] That's also 

[00:05:12] Georgie Ma: [00:05:12] CBC. 

[00:05:13] Angie Yu: [00:05:13] Yeah, it's also okay. Anyways, 

[00:05:16] Kristy Yee: [00:05:16] Jordy, you also have a podcast. Chinese chippy control. 

[00:05:19] Georgie Ma: [00:05:19] Try to shoot the girl, that's it? Yeah, 

[00:05:22] Angie Yu: [00:05:22] I know. I know, 

[00:05:23]Kristy Yee: [00:05:23] I also, I didn't know, chippy 

[00:05:25]Angie Yu: [00:05:25] means like, I 

[00:05:27] Kristy Yee: [00:05:27] don't even know if this is correct, like Chinese takeaway.

[00:05:30]Georgie Ma: [00:05:30] Yeah, 

[00:05:30] Angie Yu: [00:05:30] yeah, 

[00:05:33] Georgie Ma: [00:05:33] yeah. I mean, it it's, it's, it's Chinese takeaway Chinese chippy, chippy, I think back in the day, maybe back in the eighties and nineties, a lot of the chip shops were also Chinese takeaways. Um, some takeaways didn't really have the fish and chips adamant of it, and it's just, um, I dunno. I think it's just at the time a Chinese food was kind of colonized to guess it wasn't Chinese food that we would eat at home or people in Hong Kong and China would day it's just for like the Western palette.

[00:06:05]Um, so I guess a lot of the Chinese takeaways also had fish and chips because that's very British. So it's just. Trying to merge the two cultures together. But, uh, yeah, I 

[00:06:14] Angie Yu: [00:06:14] love that. Um, can you tell our listeners where you're located right now? 

[00:06:18]Georgie Ma: [00:06:18] Oh yeah. So I am in London, in the UK..

[00:06:22] I've created uh, an Instagram page and a podcast code with Chinese chippy go, and I did this because I just feel there's not enough. Asian forces in the UK, uh, particularly for the, um, East and Southeast Asian, just going a bit, bit deeper into that more, you know, the BB set up British, born Chinese, and I think there's roughly about 2% of the population or Chinese. And, um, I think this like 20 T ish percent of those Chinese people are British born. So maybe it's a small percentage. There's actually about 95,000 British born Chinese people in the UK. So it's quite a big number.

[00:07:02]I just put up were really misrepresented. And I just feel like with the coronavirus and with the pandemic, it's just been a really tough time for the East Asian community. And I basically just wants to be a voice for the community in the UK. Um, and also just to talk about my experiences and to educate the kind of non-Asians about.

[00:07:23]Uh, Uh, life being a BBC, uh, the culture that we have, they identity crisis that we had as well. Like, you know, I'll be British, I'll be Chinese. And just also growing up in the Chinese takeaway as well. And just working with our parents and coming home from school and working. And it just felt like the childhood that I had was so different to the.

[00:07:46]The standard British person's childhoods. Um, and I guess one of the main things why I put this podcast together, I, to find this, community of the British Asians is I have Alyssa girl Crusader, who is the love of my life. Um, we coach her that if she ever comes across. So, uh, prejudice or racism when she's older, I want her to be ready to speak up about it.

[00:08:10] So that's one of the reasons why I've done it. I've done it more for her. Cause I want her to feel like, Oh my, you know, my mom speaks about, calling out racism. Uh, so I'm just going to do what she does is try to be like a role model for her. So that's one of the reasons why I've done it. Uh, Chinese Typica, and I have felt quite isolated as well, being a British, born Chinese.

[00:08:29] I don't, we have a lot circle of Asian friends in general, a lot. My friends are white. So whenever I do have proposal of I felt isolated because of my, um, Of my identity and my culture. It's it's, it's never really been brought up in conversation with my good group of friends. Uh, I'm sure. If it came up, then it will be, they'll be happy for me to speak about it, but it's just a bit different because they haven't been through what I've been through.

[00:08:54]And, uh, yeah, but I really enjoyed the, my podcasts. , I've just felt like, you know, I've been able to connect with others and that's a main thing connecting with others who have had similar experiences as may, uh, where they I've had quite a few people message me and  messaged me say, I'll put the same upbringing as you.

[00:09:11]um, I think to my racism when I was at school, I went to my mum. That's takeaway. I have to get to Chinese school on a dim sum famila chat school. And, and people like, eh, what's that, you know, it's just all these little things. Yes. I know exactly what you're going through. Um, kind of builds that connection.

[00:09:27] So that's been really lovely. 

[00:09:28]Kristy Yee: [00:09:28] I remember I was listening to one of your episodes. 

[00:09:31] Angie Yu: [00:09:31] I don't remember which one, but 

[00:09:32] Kristy Yee: [00:09:32] you had mentioned having tasks, you South 

[00:09:35] Georgie Ma: [00:09:35] on  

[00:09:37] Angie Yu: [00:09:37] and 

[00:09:38]Kristy Yee: [00:09:38] I have never met anyone else who had also had tattoos, how Don even here. And so when I like in a sandwich, like not just on its own, 

[00:09:49] and I'm 

[00:09:49] Georgie Ma: [00:09:49] like, 

[00:09:49]Kristy Yee: [00:09:49] what's this other side of the ocean also had the same thing and also felt super embarrassed about it, bringing this to school. And because it wasn't a baloney with 

[00:10:01] Angie Yu: [00:10:01] mustard and Mayo, 

[00:10:02] Kristy Yee: [00:10:02] like, that's what I wanted. And  I'd love the food. So I would like hide and eat it and then go out and play with my friends afterwards so that they don't see it.

[00:10:11] And then now 

[00:10:12] Georgie Ma: [00:10:12] I 

[00:10:13] Kristy Yee: [00:10:13] sometimes make it for myself just to feel nostalgic about that 

[00:10:17] Angie Yu: [00:10:17] dish again. Yeah. 

[00:10:18]Kristy Yee: [00:10:18] , can you explain what that is to those . 

[00:10:22] Georgie Ma: [00:10:22] Basically, um, roast pork, uh, like Tacitus raised race pork, and it's mixed with, uh, with air.

[00:10:28] Cause that scrambled dag was more like a few young and the egg is, it's not just like normal scrambled egg is, Oh, I didn't have to describe it. It's um, for, uh, A kid at school and it looked at it because it didn't look like a cheese and ham sandwich. They were just like, what is that?

[00:10:46]What is, how, what is that smell? What's that red thing? it was just a, yeah, they just couldn't understand what it was already fed. Well, I was just so embarrassed

[00:10:56] I just took it away. I thought I'm not eating this and you know what? It's not, you know, when you have a kid you just want to fit in, you don't want to be different to everybody else. And then I just didn't want to be different. I was different enough anyway, cause I was like the only Chinese kid. And even now in UK, there's such a small percentage of people are Chinese, but I remember when, uh, I, I was in Vancouver. Years ago. I was about 14 and my dad took me. He took me to find Katie cause I've got cousins and, um, and my auntie live in Pitt Meadows so that if you know that, yeah. So live in Pitt Meadows. So I took a month off school because back then you could do that. So it took a month of school about to find Quebec and.

[00:11:36] First thing. I remember I came off the plane and the first thing I noticed was there so many Chinese people. Wow. And I was like, dad, are we in China? This is Hong Kong. Why is this only Chinese people? And then that would speak to me and Canadian. So even in Chinese, I thought, and I was just like, wow, this is like amazing.

[00:12:00]And I remember that thinking, Oh, like, That's just so I felt really, I felt really comfortable being in a. In a Western city, um, being Chinese. Cause I felt, I felt, and you had like a really big Chinatown and find Qubit. It was huge. It was massive. And uh, anyway, I just kind of digressed a little bit, but yes, going back to tasks.

[00:12:22]what? I was a kid that was. So embarrassing. 

[00:12:26] Angie Yu: [00:12:26] We are definitely really fortunate. Um, Christy and I to live in Vancouver, actually. That's why my parents, but that's why my mom, um, chose Vancouver at the time when my mom was  uh, in the process of applying for it immigration. And we're just looking into the different options.

[00:12:39]Um, my uncle, her brother lives in San Francisco and 

[00:12:43]his recommendation was like, Hey, Why don't you check out Vancouver, British Columbia in Canada. He said at the time I'm immigrating to camp and I was a lot easier than the U S and he said, there's already a very well established Chinese community in Vancouver.

[00:12:58]And my mom was immediately. She was 

[00:13:00] Kristy Yee: [00:13:00] like, okay. Vancouver is like, should we even give it any second thoughts? Didn't like research anything. She would just like, there's 20 people there and that's like the thing. So that's why like more Chinese people come because there's already Chinese people here and then they just keep coming.

[00:13:12] And I think Vancouver's population were 

[00:13:14] Angie Yu: [00:13:14] like 30% Chinese or something like that. Tiny Asian, tiny 

[00:13:19] Kristy Yee: [00:13:19] 40%. 

[00:13:20] Georgie Ma: [00:13:20] That's like, 

[00:13:22] Kristy Yee: [00:13:22] you know what? Let's back track. I want to say it's 

[00:13:26] Angie Yu: [00:13:26] 30% I'm like East or 30% Chinese or something. 

[00:13:29]

[00:13:29] Kristy Yee: [00:13:29] Okay. Fact check   according to Wikipedia. In the 2016 Vancouver census.  19.6% of the population is Chinese, which is the largest is bull minority group in Vancouver as well. Bonus fact. BC is Canada's most. You do most ethnically diverse province. Pretty cool.  

[00:13:51]  

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[00:13:55] Angie Yu: [00:13:55] Yeah. And, 

[00:13:56] Kristy Yee: [00:13:56] that's one thing. So 

[00:13:57] Angie Yu: [00:13:57] like you said, you don't really have any Asian friends.

[00:13:59] Like for 

[00:14:00] Kristy Yee: [00:14:00] us, I would say like 

[00:14:01] Angie Yu: [00:14:01] 90% of my friends are Asian. 

[00:14:03]Georgie Ma: [00:14:03] Really? 

[00:14:04] Kristy Yee: [00:14:04] And when I went 

[00:14:05] Angie Yu: [00:14:05] to the UK, um, you said you were, you grew up in the North right in the North of the 

[00:14:08] Georgie Ma: [00:14:08] UK, which part? So I grew up in a little town called Maxfield and, um, Just quite near Manchester. And it was, that was a really white, um, a really white town and yeah, I was the only, Oh, I would say my high school, I went to, I was the only Chinese kids back until my brother joined two years later and then two of us.

[00:14:33]and I think that was really tough because it was just. I dunno. It's just, I think for 

[00:14:40] Kristy Yee: [00:14:40] if I'm 

[00:14:41] Georgie Ma: [00:14:41] the other point, you know, if I'm from the kid's point of view, they'd never really seen a Chinese person before, maybe in films or whatever, but an actual physical Chinese person, you know, it's just, they were just like, Oh, OK.

[00:14:53] And then, um, and I remember when I was still living in Maxfield, I was. I'd walk in, tap it's towel, and then you would see another Chinese family and it's like, Whoa. And you just have to like awkwardly smell.

[00:15:10] Kristy Yee: [00:15:10] yeah, well, you'd be probably wouldn't 

[00:15:12] Georgie Ma: [00:15:12] post, but we'll be like, Oh, hi. Yeah, because, because there was so, so limited. Um, and then, and if the Mac exposed until I was 18, and then I moved to Edinburgh to go to uni and Edinburgh is obviously, um, it's a city center. Um, There was a few more Chinese people there, but not like not tons of them.

[00:15:32] So I did feel a bit more comfortable there. Um, and then now, um, you know, I've been living in London for about 13, 13, 14 years now, and I'm totally in my alimony say multicultural and even just the small things like, um, when we were looking at nurseries for SAIDI,  i, two criteria is it has to be walking distance to my house.

[00:15:53] And your, the name was, um, the nurse who had to be multicultural. If it's just going to be just white kids, for example, then I'm not going to take to that. Um, Well, we found a nursery that takes my only two boxes. cause. I remember when I was obviously when I was at school and I was outside and I was the only Chinese kid there and I just really didn't want to stay to be the OT, mixed race kids.

[00:16:15]Uh, cause my partner he's a Scottish, 

[00:16:17] Angie Yu: [00:16:17] and how do you find. Being a mom to a mixed child. 

[00:16:21]Georgie Ma: [00:16:21] I think it's fine. Um, I've not really fought about it. I'm just so happy to be a mom. Um, there were some things which. Like, for example, my, my partner he's very pale, like,

[00:16:33]he's, he stopped pale is almost like translucent. You can see that he could see veins pop in, and sometimes it's almost like blue because all you can see are his veins and he's got. Ginger ginger , he's kind of got like almost ginger hair and say that she's got, she's got my Asian nose and she's got, you know, um, cause other we'd have like.

[00:16:58]Uh, cause I put quite rounds, so she's got a T, but she's kind of got ginger hair. 

[00:17:05] Kristy Yee: [00:17:05] So it was just a bit lost. Sometimes we're looking 

[00:17:07] Georgie Ma: [00:17:07] at her, I'm like, Oh my God, you're going to be ginger.

[00:17:14]Kristy Yee: [00:17:14] That's a rare day. 

[00:17:15]Georgie Ma: [00:17:15] And I'm like, Oh, she's 

[00:17:18] Kristy Yee: [00:17:18] got really like 

[00:17:19] Georgie Ma: [00:17:19] have, and. And some people say, Oh, she's got a strawberry like GB, ginger, or say, Oh, how could this be awesome. Sunrise? I'm like, do you mean ginger?

[00:17:35] Why is that ginger

[00:17:38]Kristy Yee: [00:17:38] you would find on like a crayon, you know, how they like name colors? Yeah, yeah, 

[00:17:43]Georgie Ma: [00:17:43] she's like the love of my life and, you know, and I want to do my best to protect it because I hopefully when she's older, there will be no such thing as racism, but that's probably not going to happen.

[00:17:56]Um, I just want to make sure that whenever she sees things that doesn't look right on her race or somebody else's or, You know, like morally, she sees things that aren't right. Or what hurts is stand up and call it out. And I think, um, I feel very strongly passionate about this because when I was a kid, I never spoke about it.

[00:18:17]Um, my posts never encouraged me. they didn't want, Any kind of confrontation. I, it was just best to be avoided. So whenever I was bullied at school and I would tell my mum that, that they would just be like, Oh, well, they're just put A's on Devin, the wrong. Um, you know, what the best thing to do is ignore them, just ignore them.

[00:18:35] So that's what I did. And I just feel like it's just the wrong. I mean, I think they did it in the best possible, not the best possible way. They did it with the best intentions. Um, but it, you know, it's not the way how I want to say the, to be, I want her to like, Oh, you fucking dickhead. What'd you just say, say that to me again.

[00:18:57] Kristy Yee: [00:18:57] Okay. Yeah. Maybe, maybe not a 

[00:18:59] Georgie Ma: [00:18:59] nice word. 

[00:19:00] Kristy Yee: [00:19:00] I know. I love that in those words, I'm just imagining like a little toddler going up to keep it, like, what did you say to me? You take head.

[00:19:11]I'm 

[00:19:12] Angie Yu: [00:19:12] like in all right now, because you said that, you know, you're doing all this for your,  daughter. You want to be a role model. And that's why you're doing this podcast. 

[00:19:19] I'm just feeling so like warm right now.

[00:19:22] Very heartwarming. And I think like your parents saying, you know, they want to you to just 

[00:19:26]Kristy Yee: [00:19:26] avoid confrontation because they come from a 

[00:19:29] Angie Yu: [00:19:29] time where if they try to confront somebody like a white person, . They would be at a disadvantage. And I think one of the good things about our generation and then hopefully our future generation is that one day stand up to bullies.

[00:19:43]It's no longer they're at a disadvantage because of their color. And in think that's something that I'm grateful for. 

[00:19:49]Kristy Yee: [00:19:49] Yeah. I think we can only hope that 

[00:19:50] as 

[00:19:51]Angie Yu: [00:19:51] each generation progresses, we just get better.  Does your daughter listen to your 

[00:19:55] Georgie Ma: [00:19:55] podcast? Uh, yeah, no, she doesn't listen to them.

[00:19:58]Um, she's she tends to, at the end of this year,

[00:20:04] Kristy Yee: [00:20:04] an incredible toddler toddler like to do my toddler likes to 

[00:20:08] Georgie Ma: [00:20:08] paint with her hands. 

[00:20:10] Kristy Yee: [00:20:10] My toddler listens 

[00:20:11] to 

[00:20:11] Georgie Ma: [00:20:11] podcasts. 

[00:20:14] Kristy Yee: [00:20:14] Does your mum listen to your podcast? 

[00:20:16] Georgie Ma: [00:20:16] Oh my God. Yeah. So I, yeah, my mum listens to my podcast. It's okay. Just for me to teach her how to use Spotify.

[00:20:25]And she was like, um, you know, I dunno, like whenever you teach. Your parents like a new form of technology, like texting emojis, face time, WhatsApp, Spotify, they just, I don't know. It's it's not, it's not natural for them to understand it. So anyway, it's been like a two year progress. I get my mom to see Spotify.

[00:20:50] Cause cause I've got like a premium account. I, she always watches things on YouTube and it just means like when she's walking, listening to YouTube, she's just walking down the street and holding their phone. I'm like, but mom, you know, you could listen to that. On Spotify, you just can't see the fidget, but you can just hear it.

[00:21:07] And it just means when you're walking down the street, you don't need to fall over or you can pay attention when you're crossing the road instead of looking at your phone. So why do I say, yeah, she does listen to my, um, to my podcasts and she's, uh, yeah, She always leaves me it's messages.

[00:21:23]Just giving me tips of what I should do next, but like, yeah, I 

[00:21:29] Kristy Yee: [00:21:29] think we've been giving you 

[00:21:31] Georgie Ma: [00:21:32] well, she thinks I should, uh, she thinks I should stop talking about, My, you know, I 

[00:21:39] Kristy Yee: [00:21:39] stopped 

[00:21:39] Georgie Ma: [00:21:39] talking about my Chinese chippy days because I've already spoken about it too many times. It is. Ah,  what else she thinks I should do a YouTube channel? Like, do you know Nigel?

[00:21:55] Oh my God, it's my, sorry. I need to say something today. I met uncle Roger 

[00:22:01] Kristy Yee: [00:22:01] and 

[00:22:01] Georgie Ma: [00:22:01] I was like, 

[00:22:02]Kristy Yee: [00:22:02] Yo how did you meet him? 

[00:22:04]Georgie Ma: [00:22:04] So he, well, 

[00:22:06] Kristy Yee: [00:22:06] I see it on this story is 

[00:22:07] Georgie Ma: [00:22:07] that he's going to be working as uncle Roger in his food truck and a park that's close to me. I, I just love Nigel, you know, uh, uncle Raja. And I remember, um, like way before he became this big.

[00:22:23] Uncle Roger. Cause I used to follow him back then it's just nice that I've seen him kind of progress from, you know, for me, startup could be the right to, you know, like a global icon, but yes, my mum, she thinks I should be the next Encore. Roger. So she's given me tips and she said, I know, make more jokes.

[00:22:43] Kristy Yee: [00:22:43] I'm 

[00:22:44] Georgie Ma: [00:22:44] not bored, mom. I'm not a comedian. And she just doesn't quite get that. Well, yeah, but I have to be careful what I say my podcast, like a day. Um, I don't, I. What I do swear. I edited out. Um, so, so I feel like I could suburb. 

[00:22:58] Kristy Yee: [00:22:58] Oh yeah. Swear away. Let it all out 

[00:23:02] Angie Yu: [00:23:02] dirty. 

[00:23:03]Georgie Ma: [00:23:03] And I think, um, yeah, so she does listen.

[00:23:05] I'm really grateful that she does because I feel she's quite supportive of it. And she's like, when are you going to do the next one? And he's got on next. And are you still going to be talking about the Chinese chippies? Cause I think you should stop talking about that. Get Nigel on the show, do this, do that, start up your own YouTube.

[00:23:22] So 

[00:23:22] Kristy Yee: [00:23:22] it's quite nice. She's quite 

[00:23:23] Georgie Ma: [00:23:23] involved is, uh, we've never. I don't know when it comes to my career choices, she doesn't really get as involved. Not like this is my career choice, but you know, cause obviously this is something of which I'm quite passionate about doing And it's quite nice that she's quite supportive even though she's brutally honest 

[00:23:39]Angie Yu: [00:23:39] classic Chinese mom.

[00:23:40] Exactly. 

[00:23:41]Georgie Ma: [00:23:41] So classic. Is 

[00:23:42] Kristy Yee: [00:23:42] there any topics that you ever avoid knowing that 

[00:23:46] Angie Yu: [00:23:46] mom's listening  

[00:23:47] Georgie Ma: [00:23:47] Oh gosh, birds were. So I think  it's quite a few.

[00:23:49] there is one example, I think. Um, Oh, I don't know if I can just say, can I just say it to say, okay. Okay, cool.

[00:23:59] I think this is one topic which I'm quite passionate about and it's the whole fertility that the fertile journey. Um, it's I think it's 

[00:24:11] Kristy Yee: [00:24:11] not just because. 

[00:24:14] Georgie Ma: [00:24:14] Well it's because I've kind of gone through it. And it's also because I found it very difficult and it's something which I wish I had this 

[00:24:22] Kristy Yee: [00:24:22] good 

[00:24:22] Georgie Ma: [00:24:22] connection with my mom, because when I was trying to get pregnant, it was such a, it was such a, for me, it was such a tough and stressful time.

[00:24:31]And on being a woman given birth now with it, I've just feel much more empowered to be a woman. And. I know, well, the bitch I'm passionate about because I identity found it ever will kind of talk about it on my podcast because obviously my mum listens to it. Well, yeah, like I said, I found a journey really difficult because, um, it took me a year to get pregnant.

[00:24:55] And I know in hindsight, um, It does it, it's not that long because apart me, people who want to get pregnant, I think something like 80 or 90% of them will get pregnant with them first, 12 months,   both at the time. you know, when you want something really, really bad and that it just doesn't happen. And then I would get every month I would get my periods just like, Oh, it's so disappointing on honestly, girls, it just taught, it turned me into a, into a fucking psycho because. I, so basically it's takes that by. I've been quite greedy for a few years and, um, there's a four year age gap between me and my partner UN um, and there's one time.

[00:25:38]Oh, it's a bit long story, but we, we felt like we were in two different stages within our lives. And, uh, and it created lots of issues with, within our relationship because I wanted to settle down, buy a house and, you know, have the kids. Um, and I was in my thirties back then as well.

[00:25:55] Whereas he was still like, you know, 26, 27. Um, he was still going to clubs, go to parties and it just felt like it was just, we were just completely different and we weren't into the same things. Um, We split up for, for a little while, but then we got back together and then it wasn't til we got back together.

[00:26:12]we spoke about, you know, why our relationship is going. And I said that I didn't want to go back to that polity lifestyle and I want to settle down. And I think because he felt that he was going to lose me. He decides that he needs to step up and. Grow up and take our relationship to a step further.

[00:26:32] So then we started trying to get pregnant. So what was it? That was great fun. And then it just kept on getting my periods and then I was researching, how to get pregnant, obviously, you know, not just the sex bit, but you know what I needed to know. And I use this app cold, natural cycles.

[00:26:52] You basically, you take your temperature every single morning and, uh, when your alarm clock goes off, so you have like a thermometer sitting on your phone. Nice. When your alarm goes off, you just remember to take your temperature, but I did really work for me because it just reminded me that I really wanted a baby every morning.

[00:27:08]Oh, I bet. It's just, I 

[00:27:11] Kristy Yee: [00:27:11] didn't want to be reminded of 

[00:27:12] Georgie Ma: [00:27:12] it first thing in the morning. So that method didn't work for me, but I know it's worked for other or the people  and then, um, I then I started tending to a bit of psycho because I wasn't getting pregnant and I was, Oh my God, what's happening?

[00:27:24]And then, um, Oh, but he's 

[00:27:26] Kristy Yee: [00:27:26] like, Oh, phase 

[00:27:27]Georgie Ma: [00:27:27] beside copays, like what happened? I was just  a really 

[00:27:32]Kristy Yee: [00:27:32] angry, 

[00:27:34] Georgie Ma: [00:27:34] really angry person. I wasn't pregnant and my friends were getting pregnant and I had to pretend that I was happy for that, even though I was like, That would send messages, said, Oh my God, we're expecting a baby.

[00:27:46] And June blow claw, Hazel scan. And I just thought, fuck the sky. 

[00:27:52] Kristy Yee: [00:27:52] I wanted 

[00:27:52] Georgie Ma: [00:27:52] it to be my story. I was just like, wow, I can't, I want to be the wall. That's what stopping my friends with a picture of my scan. And I want to take your pregnancy test to say that I'm pregnant. And I was, you know, I wanted, I wanted to tell the story.

[00:28:05] I did want to 

[00:28:06]Kristy Yee: [00:28:06] be 

[00:28:06] Georgie Ma: [00:28:06] told the story. I want to tell the story and. Maybe about, uh, nine months after trying a new product. Eight months after I went into Amazon a hundred ovulation sticks. So I had to pee in a cup, which could be 20 minutes and then dip this ovulation, stick it. Tell me if I was populated and.

[00:28:26]It shows two nights. It says, right. You're offered X. It's not means you need to have sex right now because this is the best time to get pregnant. Cause I think with women, when you all feel like you, he caught that 24 hour window, cause then otherwise after 24 hours, Yeah, I can't be fertilized or something like that anyway.

[00:28:45]So it's not right. So, you know, time is, is really critical. I remember one time, uh, uh, I took, uh,  

[00:28:51] Kristy Yee: [00:28:51] pizza this day and the T-Line showed 

[00:28:55] Georgie Ma: [00:28:55] up 

[00:28:56]Kristy Yee: [00:28:56] and I was like, Oh my God. Oh my God, 

[00:28:59] Georgie Ma: [00:28:59] what am I talking about today? Cause he works in a restaurant. he doesn't finish till really late. And just, just naturally our body clocks are quite different.

[00:29:09] Yeah. Because he's a NightOwl and I'm an, I'm an early web. So I would go to bed early and I'd wake up early. Cause then I'll go to the gym, whereas he's a NightOwl so he would go to bed until God knows what time. And plus he works in a restaurant, so sometimes he will get into, you know, one or two o'clock in the morning, but then he wouldn't wake up until like 10 in the morning sort of thing.

[00:29:29]So I remember messaging him and I was like, Oh my God. Oh my God, I'm ovulating. And this must have been about eight o'clock in the evening. 

[00:29:37] Kristy Yee: [00:29:37] Oh my 

[00:29:38] Georgie Ma: [00:29:38] God, I'm ovulating. You have to tell your work that you're sick 

[00:29:41] Kristy Yee: [00:29:41] and you have to come 

[00:29:42] Georgie Ma: [00:29:42] home so we could have sex right now, tell them, tell them.  And obviously, cause it's working out the rest of the time and when I messaged him, it's eight o'clock when it was probably busy and outside  Boston, he hasn't got back to me.

[00:29:54] Oh my God. I was like, did you get my message? Did you get my message? I did an opposite. There's no one. So of course it's no one because I'm being a psycho, I'm sorry. Oh my God. You know, um, you know that I was calling him, quoting him and he wouldn't answer and he would have, he would message me and he'll be like, I'll be behind nights, I'm working.

[00:30:14] And I was just like, Oh my God, he's answered. I was like, you have to come back now. I'm ovulating we need to have sex. And he was like, Oh my God. in his mind, he must have been thinking, my girlfriend is an absolute psycho. I don't want to come 

[00:30:26] home. 

[00:30:28] Yeah. And 

[00:30:29] Kristy Yee: [00:30:29] then he said 

[00:30:29] Georgie Ma: [00:30:29] to me, I called tell work that.

[00:30:31]I need to go home to have sex with my girlfriend. It just doesn't work. That's all you need to make up some bullshit. Now we need to, you need to come home. I'm ovulating.  so anyway, I remember it got to about 10 o'clock and cause I normally go to bed around 10 11. uh, so basically when he comes in from work I'm like or dislike, um, honestly I tried my hardest to keep myself awake just because I knew that.

[00:30:55]I had to get pregnant right now. I'm probably seconds. And then, and then it got to about half 12, which is really good. That's it for me? Cause I've known me, but I've heard that the key go in it. I could tend the lifts. Actually. I could take the lifts open. I went, Oh my God, is that have a key go in it. And I was like, 

[00:31:14] Kristy Yee: [00:31:14] Oh my 

[00:31:14] Georgie Ma: [00:31:14] God, he's awake.

[00:31:15] He's like, Oh, he's getting in. He's getting in. He walks through the door and he looks really sheepish. Cause he knows that he's gonna, he's going to have to have sex with me

[00:31:24]been quick, quick, come in, come in now. Come here, honey site, babe. I've just done like a 12 hour shift. I don't want to have sex. No. And say, we need to have sex now. And I was like, tissues of tissues off. And he was just like, Oh my God, please. And I was like, you would take, take up all your clothes. I'll try 

[00:31:46] Kristy Yee: [00:31:46] not to take off.

[00:31:46] Take off.

[00:31:47] Georgie Ma: [00:31:48] Oh, 

[00:31:57] Kristy Yee: [00:31:57] Take it, put it off to bed quick, 

[00:31:59] Georgie Ma: [00:31:59] go to bed. Oh my God. Cause he'd done like a double, like a double shifts or he'd be working by 13 hours or something.  so this is about half 12. He says I've not eaten since about half past five. I'm really hungry. Can I go get a sandwich? I was like, 

[00:32:13] Kristy Yee: [00:32:13] you've got it.

[00:32:15] Georgie Ma: [00:32:15] We have to have sex now. He was like, I don't really smell it kind of jumped in the shower. You can jump in the shower afterwards.

[00:32:23] Kristy Yee: [00:32:24] How many of you. So that was just like one example, but it's 

[00:32:29] Georgie Ma: [00:32:29] just, I mean, it was, it was just, it was just crazy. I never got pregnant after that event. So I think that was just like the most cycle I'd ever been because I remember messaging him. So like on that evening, I met him so many times and you have to come home.

[00:32:45] He got listings. Cause the moon opposite. He was really scared because I've been texted him angry messages. I was very tired and . He must've been shitting himself getting on the tube, coming home because he was not, my girlfriend's a psycho. She's going to force me to have sex with her.

[00:33:00]And I'm hungry, you know, it's, it's really it's was really difficult. And like, at that time we had to have sex quite a lot.  I remember when I was about 20 ish. Um, I went for like a smear test and, um, how the results came back and says, Oh yeah, by the way, you've got a dodgy smear and we're going to have to, um, 

[00:33:23] Kristy Yee: [00:33:23] do 

[00:33:24] a 

[00:33:24] Georgie Ma: [00:33:24] comments called to give you a colonoscopy or something and lays all your bad cells out.

[00:33:29] But it wasn't when, They assess the affidavit on my ovaries. He said to me, Oh, by the way, did you know, you've got polycystic ovary syndrome? And I was like, what does that mean? 

[00:33:37]Kristy Yee: [00:33:37] And they were like, Oh, it just means when you, 

[00:33:39]Georgie Ma: [00:33:39] uh, when you want to conceive and get pregnant, you know, it's just gonna be, might be more challenging for you.

[00:33:44]And I was like, what am I trying to say? But I want to get pregnant, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I guess that's always been in the back of my mind because I knew I was going to get pregnant. I always had flashbacks at that time when I had my consultation about my, um, My daughter is smear. Um, but anyway, and then I think, um, when I was trying to get pregnant as well, uh, you and, and I, we went to see a doctor, just to one, some tests and, Oh, he's gonna come say this, but he had to, obviously you had to check his folk as well.

[00:34:12] And he had to wine can of 

[00:34:14] Kristy Yee: [00:34:14] Coke.

[00:34:18]Just to check his phone.

[00:34:20] Georgie Ma: [00:34:23] so, yeah, and blood tests and I knew that I had puppies in my ovaries, but we had to check him as well. But he said to me that he had to go into this place. And he had to, you know, do the business in a cope and they gave him a cup size of a whiskey glass.

[00:34:37] And he was like, what am I 

[00:34:38] Kristy Yee: [00:34:38] supposed to 

[00:34:38] Georgie Ma: [00:34:38] fill this all up? And then I don't remember. But that evening, uh, after he had to do the dirty, that whiskey Coke, I turn around to remember about you. And have you met new bankers today?

[00:34:52] Kristy Yee: [00:34:53] It would have been funny if he got home and you handed him a whiskey cup full of, uh, milk or something. Oh, we should have done that next time. But anyway, 

[00:35:05] Georgie Ma: [00:35:05] it was like, I laugh about it now, but at the time it was not a laughing matter. It was so difficult. And you know what I feel for. All the couples out there who are trying to get pregnant.

[00:35:16]We're very lucky and we're very fortunate to, you know, to have to have safety in our lives. And because even though it felt like it took us a while to get pregnant and, um, it just, yeah, w we're so lucky. Um,  I know quite a lot of. Women, uh, in my circle of friends whose pregnancy hasn't gone to plan, uh, hepatic seek, um, help, help, um, I IBF, um, and sometimes the IVF doesn't work and it's just, I know how difficult it is because when you 

[00:35:50] Kristy Yee: [00:35:50] read it, he 

[00:35:51] Georgie Ma: [00:35:51] wants something like a really wants to baby.

[00:35:53]And you see all the people around you. Getting pregnant. It's it's really, it's really hard, I think, um, because of my age as well. So I got pregnant. I'm 38 now. I got pregnant when I was 36, but I felt there was a lot of pressure on me, particularly from the Chinese side of the family asking me, what else are you going to get married?

[00:36:15] When am I going to have a baby? there was a lot of that. And I remember going to Hong Kong, obviously before I got pregnant, I went to Hong Kong and I'd meet uh, some of my families and my relatives. And they would just ask, you know, like, Oh, you know, when you could have a baby and it gave CLC Piniella, I, you know, when you're going to have a lot of people, but back then,  That was when you and, and I were trying to get pregnant 

[00:36:38] so just 

[00:36:39] Kristy Yee: [00:36:39] small little 

[00:36:40]Georgie Ma: [00:36:40] comments like that from people who are Navy, even though the family, it really it's okay. Very sensitively because I really wanted to get pregnant. And it just didn't help when people were asking him, you know, you know, when am I going to get pregnant? You're 36. Um, you know, you should, you should, you should talk like.

[00:37:00] Four children by now, you should have a 10 year old by now. And it's really about really succeeding. Even now my mom, my mom's quite traditional, these kinds of things. And sometimes she would put the pressure on me and say, you know, that I should have another baby and this, and it it's, it's quite tough because.

[00:37:21]I guess in bad generation, it's just like a normal question, but for me, I find it a bit, insulting. Isn't the word in face of invading my privacy. Yeah. Anyway. So going back to your question, I do from like 20 minutes ago, it's all come up.

[00:37:41] Which one of you asked, but I think, is there anything that I would, you know, I was hydrating and talking about my podcast because of my mum. I think that was the one big thing I was, um, I don't know how I would talk about it. Um, but I know that, I know that if it did speak, I know that there's some woman words.

[00:37:59]Maybe connect with my story because they'll probably go through it. And there's a lot of people who are go through some fertility, issues right now. Um, I don't 

[00:38:07] Angie Yu: [00:38:07] know. thank you for sharing that. I think one takeaway for me is like, um when I started working on my first full time job  at a pretty big company, I remember befriending someone who was a bit older and I really like looked up to her and I thought she was so cool.

[00:38:20] She was from Iran, she had her PhD in computer science and she was like, 

[00:38:24] Georgie Ma: [00:38:24] just  

[00:38:24] Angie Yu: [00:38:24] so smart. And I was like, Oh my God, I want to be your friend, like 

[00:38:27] Kristy Yee: [00:38:27] forever. And one of the things I asked 

[00:38:28] Angie Yu: [00:38:28] her was , Do 

[00:38:29] Kristy Yee: [00:38:29] you want to have kids? And 

[00:38:30]Georgie Ma: [00:38:30] she 

[00:38:31] Kristy Yee: [00:38:31] kind of had this like weird look and 

[00:38:34] Angie Yu: [00:38:34] I was like, Oh shit. I asked the wrong question.

[00:38:36]And she was just like, 

[00:38:37] Kristy Yee: [00:38:37] Oh, , I don't know. And 

[00:38:38] Angie Yu: [00:38:38] then she kind of changed  the topic. And in hindsight, she was actually trying to get pregnant at the time. And I was like, Oh my God, I'm such 

[00:38:44] Kristy Yee: [00:38:44] a Dick. I'm such a Wang.

[00:38:50] Oh my God. Why did I ask her that? Like, um, 

[00:38:52] Angie Yu: [00:38:52] I obviously trigger something right. 

[00:38:54]Kristy Yee: [00:38:54] So I think for 

[00:38:54] Angie Yu: [00:38:54] me, the takeaway from your story, and then from that,  is like, 

[00:38:57]Kristy Yee: [00:38:57] it's hard to ask 

[00:38:58] Angie Yu: [00:38:58] people these personal questions. When you're trying to get to know someone, I guess, a better way to be like what's new in your life.

[00:39:04] And then maybe if they're comfortable sharing, Oh, Hey, like we're trying to get pregnant. And like, like you said, most people don't share. Right. Because they don't want to jinx it. So I'm just like, okay, never ask people 

[00:39:13]Kristy Yee: [00:39:13] if they want to kids. Or if they're trying to have kids, that was like a key takeaway 

[00:39:17] Angie Yu: [00:39:17] from me.

[00:39:18]Kristy Yee: [00:39:18] It's almost like salting the wound. Yeah. Like, fuck. I know I'm 36. Okay. Damn it.   stop trying to  you know, not at this room that I have. 

[00:39:30] Angie Yu: [00:39:30] Yeah. And even if people don't bad intentions, like for me, I genuinely just wanted to get to know this person more. Yeah. But for me, I was young. I was like 23.

[00:39:37] And like, I don't know what I'm talking 

[00:39:39] Kristy Yee: [00:39:39] about. I'm like, Oh, she's like 35. Like, I feel like she would be like, at that age where she would be looking 

[00:39:45] Angie Yu: [00:39:45] to have kids. So I was just like, 

[00:39:47] Kristy Yee: [00:39:47] Oh do you want kids? like for 

[00:39:48] Angie Yu: [00:39:48] me, I thought it would be like a natural question to ask, but I'll obviously as I got older and now that I'm turning 30 and like people ask me questions like that.

[00:39:55] I'm just like, don't ask me that, man. 

[00:39:58]Georgie Ma: [00:39:58] She felt different when people ask you, do you think it's the, the Asian. The Asian people that would ask you, if you do get asked, you know, are Asian aunties and uncles and stuff, because it's such, and I was trying to say this to my mom. And she has said to me so many times that I should.

[00:40:15]I should get pregnant again. And I, um, you know, she's not, Oh, say the homeroom neon say, Oh, you know, and like, 

[00:40:25] Kristy Yee: [00:40:25] she'll just never 

[00:40:25] Georgie Ma: [00:40:25] add. So sometimes she would just be very direct. It's about to end say, when, when are you having kids? When are you going to get pregnant again? And I have to really put my foot down.

[00:40:35]Um, say mum, can you stop asking me that question? Because I did take it very lightly, because she says it she's asked me quite a few times and I've just basically had enough. I was like, mom, you need to stop asking me that question because I don't like it on the sense of her. It took me a year to concede with safety and I didn't, she didn't know that I already told her that, uh, quite a few months ago when I had to tell her to not.

[00:40:56]Keep asking me, um, you know, one day I wouldn't mind, you know, vaping number two, but to be honest, the full of goes through that Teddy journey. Yeah. Now we need to have him right now. I'm 

[00:41:09] Kristy Yee: [00:41:09] fine. I know that. 

[00:41:12]Georgie Ma: [00:41:12] population students.

[00:41:14] I know what you mean when you, uh, when you were younger, you were saying, you know, when you're 23, you know, there's this woman, if she'd ever want kids, but 

[00:41:21] Kristy Yee: [00:41:21] when you're that age, because you don't because 

[00:41:24] Georgie Ma: [00:41:24] you probably, you haven't thought about settling down, you don't know the sensitive side of fat question.

[00:41:31]like, I've probably asked that question as well, too, with the people, because I did, because I just thought it was just like, Hey, how was your day? By the way, Jeff would want kids. So, you know, it's just when you're that age is just to think about it. Yeah, 

[00:41:42] Kristy Yee: [00:41:42] for sure. I mean, I still do that. I won't now after today's conversation, but I still like, before that I would.

[00:41:50]I feel like, Oh, I'm just trying to get 

[00:41:52] Angie Yu: [00:41:52] to know this person on a deeper level. And then also on 

[00:41:56] Kristy Yee: [00:41:56] the selfish side is 

[00:41:57] Angie Yu: [00:41:57] I want to hear more about other 

[00:41:58] Kristy Yee: [00:41:58] people's perspective on kids, because I'm kind 

[00:42:01] Angie Yu: [00:42:01] of, I'm more like, I don't want kids, 

[00:42:04] Kristy Yee: [00:42:04] but as 

[00:42:04] Angie Yu: [00:42:04] I'm getting closer to 30, I want to hear other people's 

[00:42:06] Kristy Yee: [00:42:06] perspectives. So then I start 

[00:42:08] Angie Yu: [00:42:08] asking these questions. Yeah. And for me, like when I was, Oh my God. Okay. So when I became single again, I went to the doctors and I was, I need to do like 

[00:42:17] Kristy Yee: [00:42:17] everything. And , she looks at me. She was like, Oh yeah,  we should run a bunch of tests to make sure you don't have like.

[00:42:23]Angie Yu: [00:42:23] Uh, measles 

[00:42:23] Kristy Yee: [00:42:23] or =stuff like that. She's like, because you're at a childbearing 

[00:42:26] Angie Yu: [00:42:26] age, 

[00:42:27] Kristy Yee: [00:42:27] she said that she just said it. So ma as a matter 

[00:42:29] Angie Yu: [00:42:29] of fact, like my, 

[00:42:29] Kristy Yee: [00:42:29] this is my family doctor I've been seeing 

[00:42:31] Angie Yu: [00:42:31] since I was 12, 

[00:42:32] Kristy Yee: [00:42:32] she was like, Oh, you're out of 

[00:42:33] Angie Yu: [00:42:33] childbearing age now. And I just sat there. I was like, 

[00:42:37] Kristy Yee: [00:42:37] I am, I didn't say that.

[00:42:39] But in my head, I'm like the alarms going off, like, man, man,  you're a childbearing age. start thinking about that. And I was like, Oh shit, I guess I should start thinking about that. And basically since then, 

[00:42:50]Angie Yu: [00:42:50] it has always been at the top of my mind. And I even remember when I was at a really vulnerable 

[00:42:54]Kristy Yee: [00:42:54] spot I was 

[00:42:55] Angie Yu: [00:42:55] driving.

[00:42:56] And, this was when I was really emotionally involved. And I remember the car in front of me, had a baby on board 

[00:43:02] Georgie Ma: [00:43:02] sign 

[00:43:03] Angie Yu: [00:43:03] and the car next to that car, which was like in front of like adjacent in front, 

[00:43:07]Kristy Yee: [00:43:07] had a sign that was like, 

[00:43:08] Angie Yu: [00:43:08] baby, on the way, I just burst into tears. 

[00:43:12]Kristy Yee: [00:43:12] , I just started crying 

[00:43:13] and I was like, why am I crying?

[00:43:16]it was just so weird. Like, 

[00:43:18] Angie Yu: [00:43:18] I still don't really know what to think 

[00:43:19] Georgie Ma: [00:43:19] of that 

[00:43:20]Kristy Yee: [00:43:20] incident, why do you think you burst into tears? one 

[00:43:23] Angie Yu: [00:43:23] think, because It was like shortly after my last relationship ended.

[00:43:27] And it was a really meaningful relationship where it was supposed to go down that path of like getting married and having kids. So I felt like I have lost my opportunity to have kids. So I think one was like, maybe I'll never be able to have kids. And I just like burst into like the possibility of, never being able to have my own kids, .

[00:43:44]Kristy Yee: [00:43:44] Like society 

[00:43:45] Angie Yu: [00:43:45] is 

[00:43:45] Georgie Ma: [00:43:45] telling you 

[00:43:45]Angie Yu: [00:43:45] , Hey, your eggs are expiring. You're expiring. Your life is going to be over because you can't have kids. It it's like all of that in one. 

[00:43:53] Kristy Yee: [00:43:53] Plus the fact that 

[00:43:54] Angie Yu: [00:43:54] me grieving, like this was a, this was kind of the life that I had. Imagine five years down the line that was gone.

[00:44:00] So I was like, everything. Just kind of like in that one moment 

[00:44:04] Kristy Yee: [00:44:04] with the two signs and I was just like, ma that was like the cherry on top. It was kind of like tipping over like, Hey, you 

[00:44:10] Angie Yu: [00:44:10] might, you might never be right. Well to have kids. And I was like, and then I just burst into tears. 

[00:44:14] Kristy Yee: [00:44:14] also 

[00:44:15]Angie Yu: [00:44:15] having had that.

[00:44:16]Kristy Yee: [00:44:16] Incident. It made me realize, 

[00:44:17] Angie Yu: [00:44:17] okay, I do really want to have kids 

[00:44:19]Kristy Yee: [00:44:19] because 

[00:44:20]Angie Yu: [00:44:20] like yourself, Georgie, like my mom has always wanted 

[00:44:22] grandchildren. 

[00:44:23]Kristy Yee: [00:44:23] She's been talking 

[00:44:24] Georgie Ma: [00:44:24] about her grandkids since I was like 15. 

[00:44:25] Kristy Yee: [00:44:26] Like, cause I think you're not allowed to date, but think about the grant. This is my own theory 

[00:44:33] Angie Yu: [00:44:33] is that our parents  uh, I talked about this in, I think episode nine as well.

[00:44:37] How like 

[00:44:38] Kristy Yee: [00:44:38] Chinese 

[00:44:38] Angie Yu: [00:44:38] parents raise kids on  the fear based or the reward 

[00:44:42] Kristy Yee: [00:44:42] based system where they're like, if you get an a, 

[00:44:44] Angie Yu: [00:44:44] then I'll buy you a PlayStation, or if you don't get an, a, I'm gonna whoop your ass 

[00:44:49] Kristy Yee: [00:44:49] kind of thing. Right. Like, but I think they also really 

[00:44:53] Angie Yu: [00:44:53] want to care for you. 

[00:44:54] Kristy Yee: [00:44:54] They've been raised, like you have 

[00:44:56] Angie Yu: [00:44:56] to be strict with your kids, so 

[00:44:58] Kristy Yee: [00:44:58] they wait for their grandchildren.

[00:44:59] And that's why, like, we 

[00:45:00] Angie Yu: [00:45:00] all love our grandparents because they spoil us so much.  Like,  they don't care whether you're you're 

[00:45:05] Kristy Yee: [00:45:05] a failure or not.  they just want to be 

[00:45:07] Angie Yu: [00:45:07] good to you. And I think our parents do want 

[00:45:09] Kristy Yee: [00:45:09] that too, but they've been raised to be like, you have 

[00:45:11] Angie Yu: [00:45:11] to be strict, otherwise their kid's not going to make it so 

[00:45:14] Kristy Yee: [00:45:14] there to them.

[00:45:15] It's like a, 

[00:45:16] Angie Yu: [00:45:16] Oh shit, I have to be this like, Strict parent. And I think deep down inside, they really want to just like care about you and dote on you and stuff like that too. 

[00:45:24] Kristy Yee: [00:45:24] That's my theory. And that's why I, like, since 

[00:45:26] Angie Yu: [00:45:26] I was 15, my mom's like, I want grandchildren. 

[00:45:28] Kristy Yee: [00:45:28] Cause she, never had that opportunity to do that.

[00:45:30]So she's always been talking about grandkids. 

[00:45:32] Angie Yu: [00:45:32] And then after my relationship ended, she was like, 

[00:45:35] Kristy Yee: [00:45:35] you know, 

[00:45:36] Angie Yu: [00:45:36] you don't need a man to have a kid. 

[00:45:38]Kristy Yee: [00:45:38]  My mom was starting to talk about like, you can always go to a sperm bank. And I was like, I was really like shocked because the really  traditional 

[00:45:47] Angie Yu: [00:45:47] side of that was that she really wanted grandchildren.

[00:45:49] And the 

[00:45:49] Kristy Yee: [00:45:49] really nontraditional side was like, 

[00:45:51] Angie Yu: [00:45:51] you don't need a man to have calf kids. You don't need to be married to have kids. You can just find a partner or you can just like do it on your own. And I'm like, uh, 

[00:45:58] Kristy Yee: [00:45:58] Oh, okay. Well, thank you.

[00:46:02]Are you an only 

[00:46:03] Georgie Ma: [00:46:03] child as well? Are you both? Do you have brothers and sisters? 

[00:46:06]Kristy Yee: [00:46:06] Ah, so do you feel, 

[00:46:08] Georgie Ma: [00:46:08] do you fall the pressure's on you 

[00:46:12]Kristy Yee: [00:46:12] to, 

[00:46:13] Georgie Ma: [00:46:13] you know, to find somebody and to have kids and start a family? Do you have, do you feel that pressure from your family. 

[00:46:18]Kristy Yee: [00:46:18] I feel 

[00:46:19] Angie Yu: [00:46:19] guilty is more like it. Cause 

[00:46:21]Kristy Yee: [00:46:21] right now I'm on the path of choosing not to have kids.

[00:46:24] I've been telling my 

[00:46:25] Angie Yu: [00:46:25] mom this for years, so now she gets  it 

[00:46:27] my grandma's still hasn't gotten that message. So every family dinner 

[00:46:30] Kristy Yee: [00:46:30] she'll be like,  , you don't have to get married.

[00:46:32] You can just have kids now, it's 20, 20 coming from grandma, grandma 

[00:46:38] Georgie Ma: [00:46:38] she's like, 

[00:46:38]Kristy Yee: [00:46:38] who cares? You know, like, it's all good. I'm like, Oh my God, good job. But also I don't want to have kids. um, but then I feel. 

[00:46:49] Angie Yu: [00:46:49] Guilty, because from 

[00:46:51] Kristy Yee: [00:46:51] my dad's side,  

[00:46:52] Angie Yu: [00:46:52] I'm the only 

[00:46:53]Kristy Yee: [00:46:53] person left in the family and 

[00:46:56] Angie Yu: [00:46:56] this 

[00:46:56] Georgie Ma: [00:46:56] yeah.

[00:46:56] In this lineage. 

[00:46:57] Kristy Yee: [00:46:57] And like the Klan is going to dissolve because he not having a kid. And 

[00:47:04]Angie Yu: [00:47:04] even when I was younger,

[00:47:05] Kristy Yee: [00:47:05] in high school , 

[00:47:06] Angie Yu: [00:47:06] I was thinking I'm like, if I do have 

[00:47:07] Kristy Yee: [00:47:07] kids 

[00:47:08]Angie Yu: [00:47:08] , maybe I want to name them after my last name. So that. The 

[00:47:12] Kristy Yee: [00:47:12] family tree continues, 

[00:47:14] Angie Yu: [00:47:14] you know? 

[00:47:14]Kristy Yee: [00:47:14] now that I've decided not to have kids, 

[00:47:16] Angie Yu: [00:47:16] I feel guilty that 

[00:47:17] Kristy Yee: [00:47:17] I can't continue that line.

[00:47:19] Angie Yu: [00:47:19] Right. And that's where are Asian values really conflict with our individualistic values. Right. Cause they're individualistic. It's like,  I don't want to have kids, but then your Asian values and I'm like, Oh. But 

[00:47:28] Kristy Yee: [00:47:28] filial piety. And my parents 

[00:47:30]Angie Yu: [00:47:30] I want to have two kids because growing up as an only child, there's a lot of downsides.

[00:47:35] It's very lonely if there's a lot of pressure. and uh, I want to have two kids so that they don't have to be an only child. 

[00:47:40]Georgie Ma: [00:47:40] Um, 

[00:47:40] Kristy Yee: [00:47:40] but also my parents, like you have to have two kids, so. Each one can have, 

[00:47:44]Angie Yu: [00:47:44] one of our names, 

[00:47:45]Kristy Yee: [00:47:45] one will take my mom's last name, but, well, we'll take my dad's last name really?

[00:47:50]And that's 

[00:47:50] Angie Yu: [00:47:50] really common. Yeah. In China nowadays, because a lot of people that are getting married and having kids, they come from the only child generation, which is my generation. I think I was like born after like the eighties until 2017 or 2014. So if, both parents are only children, then they can have 

[00:48:05] Georgie Ma: [00:48:05] two kids.

[00:48:06]And 

[00:48:06] Angie Yu: [00:48:06] for me, um, I only have two cousins in the entire world. I only have, I have two cousins, 

[00:48:11] Georgie Ma: [00:48:11] two cousins. I have one cousin on each side and that's it. 

[00:48:15] Angie Yu: [00:48:15] And one on my mom's side, it doesn't seem like him and his wife are going to have kids.  I just don't think they want to have kids. They've been married for like seven years now.

[00:48:23] They don't want to have kids. And then on my other side, I don't really know what's going on on that side. Um, but. 

[00:48:29] Kristy Yee: [00:48:29] Yeah. So I feel that pressure to like, 

[00:48:30] Angie Yu: [00:48:30] I'm the 

[00:48:31] Kristy Yee: [00:48:31] only person 

[00:48:31] Angie Yu: [00:48:31] to carry on this lineage. 

[00:48:33] Kristy Yee: [00:48:33] And also because 

[00:48:34] Angie Yu: [00:48:34] my parents moved here, I feel like it's my responsibility to grow that family tree here in.

[00:48:43]Vancouver, like we cut off our branch. We took that branch with us, from China to here. We that branch. So we have this tiny little branch here in Canada. Everyone else has these big trees they like go to them some on Sundays with their huge family and a big round table. And then I go to dim sum with my parents.

[00:49:00] It's just like us three at a tiny little table. And I feel like I've always seen that image in my head where , I can imagine, my parents setting my partner, his parents, and then me and my partner and our two little kids sitting out in his own table. And that was always a picture I had in my head.

[00:49:14] Kristy Yee: [00:49:14] Cool. So I know. And that's like, 

[00:49:17]Georgie Ma: [00:49:17] all I want 

[00:49:17] Angie Yu: [00:49:17] sometimes, 

[00:49:18]Kristy Yee: [00:49:18] growing up, 

[00:49:18]Angie Yu: [00:49:18] I always looked over at the big rowdy tables with a lot of envy.

[00:49:22]Kristy Yee: [00:49:22] Hmm. 

[00:49:23]Georgie Ma: [00:49:23] Wow. A lot of, uh, there's a lot of pressure. Thank for Asian families to carry on the family tree because their family tree is such a big part of about culture. And especially because yeah, like having a boy is so much more superior than having a girl. and I guess that's why, and, In China, there's a lot of orphanages with girls because family members, they just don't want girls.

[00:49:50] They'd prefer to have the boys. They put the girls up for adoption, which I think is so sad. And I remember when I was pregnant and it's helped my mom. She's like, Oh, I have a boy. I hope you have a boy. And I was like, Well, that's such a shit thing to say, like why I'm required.

[00:50:07] Hey. Yeah. You know, I'm just joking. I'm like, mom, you're not joking. So I feel like I paint a really bad picture of my mom. She's lovely. She's very loving. And remember.  so in any UK, you get three scans when you're pregnant 12 weeks and that's determined whether, okay, it's fine to make scan is basically when you're halfway there.

[00:50:30] And I like tried to expand. That's where they can tell you whether you're having a girl or a boy. And they told me that I was having to go and I was so excited cause I really wanted the baby girl. And I told my mom that I was, would it go? And she gets, Oh, they sound good up. Oh, okay.

[00:50:45]Well I've just told you that I have to do with finding my scar and everything is just like tick, tick, tick, tick, tick. There's no problems. And I've got healthy girl and that should be. The greatest names, but because I wasn't having a point, but she was like, 

[00:51:04] Kristy Yee: [00:51:04] Oh, 

[00:51:05] Georgie Ma: [00:51:05] well now though, she's obsessed to say this.

[00:51:08] She'll call me up later and she'll FaceTime me. She'll be like , which means listed girl in Chinese. And, um, so she's really obsessed. It's just, yeah, but it's just that, generation now our mum's age, that generation mentality, where.  Boys are more important than women or boys, more important than girls should I say, um, boys will carry on the family trade.

[00:51:30]Boys will protect the family, the girls, they will get married and then they will move away to a different family. So she won't belong in a family  and until the thing is as well, so social to say was that I'm one of three kids and my sister, I've got one sister who's older than me.

[00:51:48]Uh, one little brother. So. When my mom was pregnant with me, she didn't know she was having to go to a boy. But, um, this is how six dishes, my mother she's got. This chart tells you, like,  if you have sex and Ms. Day, it means you're going to have a board. So she folded this chart.

[00:52:04] Well, she didn't tell me, but I just know. I just know that she did. And I knew that she really wanted a boy as well. So she was convinced that she was going to have one, Oh boy, uh, she pushed me out and obviously I'm a girl, but she was really weird. Like she didn't want me and She never held me for the first time, two weeks.

[00:52:23] And, um, My mom had actually contacted my auntie, my dying. So basically her old sister, he lives in Holland and my auntie for whatever reason, I don't know. She can't have kids.  So she said to my auntie, Oh, by the way, uh, I've got a girl you can just have, so my mom, she did, she didn't want me baby. um, and I found out about this when I was out.

[00:52:45]Nine or 10 of the book I found out about it when I was having dinner with the antidote from my dad's side, is she posted the conversation and I still remember it. Cause she said, she told me when I was born, my mom didn't love me. And I was just like, Whoa, I was nine as fuck.  but my auntie meant as a joke, but my mum wasn't there.

[00:53:03] So she wasn't that too. Defend herself against. So it's explained reasons by them 

[00:53:07] Kristy Yee: [00:53:07] and you know what? Me and my mom, 

[00:53:09]Georgie Ma: [00:53:09] my mom knows that I know the story, and I know that she knows that I know the story sort of thing, but we've never spoken about it because I know that because I know my mum looks at me now, and I know that.

[00:53:22] My mum was quite young and she's quite traditional and well, what do you mean young? She was, she must've been about five to six. Then she had me, which is still, you know, really up. But I guess back in her generation, how many kids at 26 is just like average age anyway, not digressing again, but yeah, and I think she was, she was really disheartened that she had me, but then two years later, my brother came home.

[00:53:43] You know, he's just like, He's basically my mom's favorite. but it's it's yeah, I've read, you read all these stories about these orphanages in China, where they're just this basically just girls out. It's just breaks my hall. How could, how could the family, how could this tradition, Conceived a family's life that when they have a kid and then they give birth and it's a girl, they just abandoned the girl.

[00:54:11] I'm not 

[00:54:12] Kristy Yee: [00:54:12] like from a, 

[00:54:12] Georgie Ma: [00:54:12] from a mom's point of view. Like I would just love my child's own conditionally, you know, but that. Chinese mentality in China, they don't have that. They'll just put their own flesh and blood into adoption and then they'll try again. So they have a boy. Um, but yeah, that, that, that really upsets me and it really gets to me.

[00:54:34]Angie Yu: [00:54:34] it's really upsetting and I think. Thinking about um, how some girls or some women now, especially in the us and in Canada in the UK that are around our age, like now in their thirties, they were put up for adoption. And just thinking that. We were born at the same time, but they, they were put up for adoption because their parents couldn't afford to raise them is just, yeah.

[00:54:56] It's it's so it's very disheartening. And I actually, volunteer for an organization called one sky for all children. And it was started by a woman in the U S called Jenny N and she is a so I'm producer film director, and she was filming in China in the. Nineties. And she went to this orphanage for girls and she was just so absolutely shaken up by what she saw, at that time, like everyone was so poor, maybe you've didn't in the late eighties, but everyone yeah.

[00:55:26] Was so poor. They didn't even at the orphanages, the nurses didn't know how to take care of the children properly. And, um, because in the interiors of China where it's really far away from. , industrialization and stuff like that. They're just so poor over there. babies 

[00:55:39]Kristy Yee: [00:55:39] they just 

[00:55:39] Angie Yu: [00:55:39] sat in their crib all day.

[00:55:41]They were not held.  they would just sit there, and they would try to climb out of their cribs for their own safety. They were tied to their credits. 

[00:55:49] Georgie Ma: [00:55:49] Oh my gosh, that's awful. 

[00:55:51]Kristy Yee: [00:55:51] But 

[00:55:51] Angie Yu: [00:55:51] to the nurses, but he didn't think about that as a bad thing.

[00:55:54] They thought about it. Like, well, if they're going to climb out, they're going to get hurt 

[00:55:57] Kristy Yee: [00:55:57] themselves.  

[00:55:57] Angie Yu: [00:55:57] like in the West, when you're raising kids, 

[00:55:59] Georgie Ma: [00:55:59] like you have to do all these 

[00:56:00] Kristy Yee: [00:56:00] things, you have to like 

[00:56:01] Angie Yu: [00:56:01] turn them. So their heads aren't 

[00:56:03] Kristy Yee: [00:56:03] flat.

[00:56:03] Like my head is flat because 

[00:56:04] Angie Yu: [00:56:04] I would, I would lay it on my crib or wait too long because that was not a thing in China. So the back of my head is like ridiculously flat. 

[00:56:10]Kristy Yee: [00:56:10] and that's like, a joke too, about how like all these Chinese girls have really big heads because one, we came out of C-section because 

[00:56:16] Angie Yu: [00:56:16] I don't know, like a lot of our moms just had trouble getting birth.

[00:56:19] So a lot of us chaos, 

[00:56:20] Kristy Yee: [00:56:20] you said. Yeah,  like my head was never squeezed through my 

[00:56:25] Angie Yu: [00:56:25] mom's vaginal canal. And so 

[00:56:27] Georgie Ma: [00:56:27] my head was 

[00:56:28] Kristy Yee: [00:56:28] like huge. 

[00:56:28]Angie Yu: [00:56:28] and then I was like 

[00:56:29] Kristy Yee: [00:56:29] lying on my crib all the time. So just like, Oh, I know that was a thing. Um, and this is like so random, but like my dad also used 

[00:56:38] Angie Yu: [00:56:38] to pinch my nose to try to make it taller.

[00:56:40] Kristy Yee: [00:56:40] Oh, my mom still tells me to do that. Subconsciously. I do. Really. Wow. Oh, you have your dad's nose. and that means I don't have a nice nose, well, from my mom's perspective, because you can. See the 

[00:56:55] Angie Yu: [00:56:55] nostrils. So  she calls them 

[00:56:56] Kristy Yee: [00:56:56] Canyon cannons, and that means that I will lose a lot of money.

[00:57:00] It's like I have these two cannons on my face and because they're out there that means I can't save money and I'm going to have money. All my money is going to come out. 

[00:57:12]Georgie Ma: [00:57:12] It's a Chinese thing. I don't know. I 

[00:57:14] Kristy Yee: [00:57:14] think it must 

[00:57:15] Georgie Ma: [00:57:15] be Chinese. 

[00:57:16] Kristy Yee: [00:57:16] You pinch your nose and , make it tall then, , you can close your Canon gaps

[00:57:24] or bunny. I digress going back to the thing. 

[00:57:29]Angie Yu: [00:57:29] Um, so this woman, um, Jenny Bowen, who's now the CEO of one sky for all children. 

[00:57:33] Kristy Yee: [00:57:33] She 

[00:57:34] Angie Yu: [00:57:34] ended up adopting a girl, um, who at first, like, 

[00:57:36] Kristy Yee: [00:57:36] because the girl hadn't 

[00:57:37]Georgie Ma: [00:57:37] been 

[00:57:37]Angie Yu: [00:57:37] held hadn't felt. Any sort of love. She was  just very like stoic, very, just like, no expression on her face.

[00:57:44]And, for Jenny, when she realized that she had to do something about it was when she brought the girl, baby girl, back to the U S one day, she looked out into her, yard and she saw that her daughter was like playing and laughing and just running around the garden because she was just so full of joy.

[00:58:00]And because for the first time of her life, she received love. 

[00:58:03]Georgie Ma: [00:58:03] And to see the 

[00:58:04] Kristy Yee: [00:58:04] difference 

[00:58:05]Angie Yu: [00:58:05] between Before adopting her and after adopting her, which is just pre love and post love, it made her, she basically quit her job um, in the film industry and open up this organization, which was 

[00:58:15] Kristy Yee: [00:58:15] originally called half the sky because 

[00:58:17] Angie Yu: [00:58:17] Mao has the thing, that it's like women lifts up half the sky.

[00:58:21] That's right. Women hold up half the sky and women. Are just as important as men. uh, so it started off as like an adoption agency. So your orphanage, but now, what they do is they open up these learning centers in rural China. And they've also expanded to rural Mongolia and Vietnam as well because in those places, a lot of the moms mom's and 

[00:58:38] Georgie Ma: [00:58:38] dad's 

[00:58:39]Kristy Yee: [00:58:39] move to 

[00:58:40]Angie Yu: [00:58:40] the cities to earn income.

[00:58:41]So they stay behind what their grandparents who  they're usually not equipped with the right tools to raise a child in the 21st century. And, they opened up these learning centers. They educate the women who have stayed behind the local women and men who have stayed behind.

[00:58:54]And they have these kids basically like the more, a bit more westernized style of education. And just so much improvement. They never bring in any foreign. Volunteers, they just train locals.  so it's not like, you know, those voluntourism where you bring like a white woman and they like teach the kids for like three months and then they leave.

[00:59:11] So there's no inconsistency. So this is like a organization that I really believe in just because, it's called economic orphan orphans. Like economic orphans are our kids who are left behind because their parents have to go to the city to work. So they're not, you know, orphans, orphans, but  their parents are never around.

[00:59:28]Georgie Ma: [00:59:28] Oh, wow. 

[00:59:29]Angie Yu: [00:59:29] Yeah. Good 

[00:59:29] Georgie Ma: [00:59:29] on your friend who put the organization together and, took her child is first priority and worked her life, found her child. That's really, that's really lovely. 

[00:59:38]Angie Yu: [00:59:38] And to tie this whole thing back to what you said, one thing that you said earlier, um, that really has stuck with me is when you said you having had Sadie, you have felt really empowered as a woman.

[00:59:49]Georgie Ma: [00:59:49] Oh, a hundred percent. A hundred percent. I, um, yeah, definitely. Like, I feel really empowered to be a woman and I. just like, I mean, I kind of felt empowered anyway, but I think to kind of after being pregnant and, um, housing, the baby and given birth, I just thought, Whoa, it's just, it's just amazing what bodies can do.

[01:00:12]uh, luckily I was, I was able to breastfeed D as well, which. which was really difficult. Um, even just the small things like just, uh, bodies know how to produce milk and  it's, um, kind of the evolution of, uh, of the women's bodies. Like, you know, when we're pregnant, small things, aren't your nipples get darker because.

[01:00:30]When your baby is born, I think they can only see black and white. I did a how scientists, NetApp babies. Cause I notice you have black and 

[01:00:36] Kristy Yee: [01:00:36] white. How would they know 

[01:00:37] Georgie Ma: [01:00:37] that? But anyway, when the babies are born except black and white and they could see a black nipple, that's why it gets darker. And just like what is called the Jace milk.

[01:00:46] Yeah. you know, it's just another, it's another thing which I would never, always. Talk too much about is that a breastfeed is, is a very big, um, is that big stigma? Is that the word I'm looking for? It's something that's always.  encouraged in the UK, but you know what though? Breastfeed and it's really fucking difficult.

[01:01:06] It's the hardest thing I've ever had to do. I would rather give birth with no drugs than to teach a baby. How to suck until lunch run. My nipple is so fucking hard that it's emotional and there's a lot of pressure. There's so many pressure. Are you having to breastfeed? Um, for nurses and everyone, he just has so many stories.

[01:01:28] And you know, if people ask you why you're not breastfeeding then, and if you're not breastfeeding, therefore I'll make you feel guilty for not breastfeeding. And the other thing is when you're breastfeeding public, you get slated again. Cause it's like, why'd you get, why are you get your boob out? Eh, why didn't you cover yourself?

[01:01:44] and it's just all these things that was women have to. Go for like, no matter what we do is just, we're just going to get slammed, you know, like you can't get pregnant or something wrong with your ex, um, or, you know, you can't breastfeed. Oh, you're not doing it. Right. And when you do breastfeed, excuse me, can you cover yourself up?

[01:02:01] It's just like, it's just so it, it, I just find being a woman is, is quite difficult, but I've never felt so empowered to support was, was women because we do go through a lot of shit. and I, never want Sadie to feel like her choices have been limited or for whatever reason, because she's a girl because I want her to feel empowered that she's a girl and she can do anything she wants, 

[01:02:27] Kristy Yee: [01:02:27] It's like, there's no win. 

[01:02:29] And I didn't know that I've heard that it's difficult. I just didn't know that  you would rather go through birth again? Oh my gosh. That's 

[01:02:39] Angie Yu: [01:02:39] so much on the mom too. Like my mom told me that I wouldn't latch on to the other boob and that were only latched onto one breast.

[01:02:47] So my mom's breasts are uneven. 

[01:02:48]Georgie Ma: [01:02:48] Yeah. Was like, well, 

[01:02:50] Kristy Yee: [01:02:50] shit for her. It was same thing. It was 

[01:02:52] Angie Yu: [01:02:52] so difficult. She was like, fuck it. I don't care about having uneven boobs. 

[01:02:55]Kristy Yee: [01:02:55] I just want my child to eat. 

[01:02:57]

[01:02:57] You know, like we're coming down to the end 

[01:03:08] Angie Yu: [01:03:08] of the hour. And normally we ask our guests, like, what is one thing that you want to tell your mom?

[01:03:13] But I feel like this past hour, having heard everything you said, like in this situation, you're the mom. So I want to change up our question  what is one thing you want to tell Sadie? 

[01:03:23] Kristy Yee: [01:03:23] Oh, 

[01:03:25]Georgie Ma: [01:03:25] I went to tell her that she's always loved and to speak up if you see something wrong, it's because it's wrong.

[01:03:34] You know, you've got this intuition, I'd just speak up. Um, um, Oh seven. I think I could say, Oh yeah. When you go to sleep, sleep throughout the night place, don't wake 

[01:03:43] Kristy Yee: [01:03:43] up, 

[01:03:45] Georgie Ma: [01:03:45] finished, finish up your food as well. Oh, you know, it really bothers me when I went to make some food. I spent like ages prepared. She doesn't even fucking eat it.

[01:03:54] I'm like, Oh, that's so annoying.

[01:03:57]Kristy Yee: [01:03:57] I love how I went from like, Oh, like, I want you to be this like empowering women to like get 

[01:04:03] Georgie Ma: [01:04:03] a fucking food. Yeah, you got fucking big. Yeah. Yeah. That's the thing I think I want her to, I don't want, I don't want any barriers in her life. From now until, you know, God knows wine. I'm also, if you can finish off your fucking food, that'd be, that'd be perfect.

[01:04:23]Kristy Yee: [01:04:23] Thank you so much, Georgia.  I feel like we can just talk 

[01:04:26]Angie Yu: [01:04:26] for another like five hours. 

[01:04:27] Georgie Ma: [01:04:27] Yeah. I feel that, that too. I feel like   meet up for bubble tea. I'm just . 

[01:04:34]Kristy Yee: [01:04:34] By the way do you call it a bubble tea 

[01:04:35] Georgie Ma: [01:04:35] or Boba?

[01:04:36]Kristy Yee: [01:04:36] fucking bullshit. Like LA 

[01:04:41]Angie Yu: [01:04:41] term, 

[01:04:43] Kristy Yee: [01:04:43] honestly, 

[01:04:44]Georgie Ma: [01:04:44] like, cause I came across it, I know I was Boba tea. I thought it was like a nother tea. I thought it was something else. Like coffee, tea, bubble, tea, tea, tea. It's the same as bubble tea, but it's just been. Oh, honestly, it really bothers me. 

[01:05:02]Kristy Yee: [01:05:02] Let's just say it from here.

[01:05:04] It is bubbled tea  

[01:05:06] Georgie Ma: [01:05:06] we could talk about, I was definitely, I've got such a good time chatting to you and I'm such a big fan of your show. I love all your content. I love boy's stories, recently I have today. Realistic to your first episode. And it's the first time I've listened to it in quite well.

[01:05:24] It's actually, I feel like it sounds even better listening to it again, because I feel like I know, I know you're both there to listen to those two, your first episode that I think you, I think he goes absolutely smashing it. And I think you're brilliant. I love the way how you talk about your stories and you don't sugar coat things.

[01:05:44] We got ready. Ready.

[01:05:54] Kristy Yee: [01:05:54] thank you so much, George.

[01:05:55]Georgie Ma: [01:05:55] Well, thanks for having me on the show

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