WEBVTT 00:01:26.329 --> 00:01:28.719 hi! And welcome to What The Phalange?!. 00:01:28.739 --> 00:01:35.340 The podcast, where we watch every episode of F.R.I.E.N.D.S discuss it, deconstruct it, and fan over it, one episode at a time. 00:01:35.599 --> 00:01:37.680 My name is Emilie, pronouns she/her. 00:01:38.879 --> 00:01:41.420 And my name is Quinn, pronouns ze/zir or they/them. 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:47.510 This week, we're talking about season two, episode nine, the one with Phoebe's dad, 00:01:47.849 --> 00:01:51.090 this episode aired on December 14th, 1995. 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:52.629 It was written by Kevin S. 00:01:52.629 --> 00:01:55.599 Bright and directed by Jeff Astrof and Mike Sikowitz. 00:01:56.829 --> 00:02:03.700 according to IMDB, this episode is where Phoebe tracks down her father, but isn't sure whether she should meet him. 00:02:04.120 --> 00:02:08.030 Ross asks Rachel to make a list of pros and cons about him. 00:02:08.580 --> 00:02:11.099 This is also the one where the radiator is broken. 00:02:11.099 --> 00:02:13.229 Everyone is very, very hot tipping. 00:02:13.229 --> 00:02:18.780 Culture is pretty weird and Phoebe's dad is not a famous tree surgeon, bump, bump all. 00:02:19.794 --> 00:02:21.235 Bomb bomb bomb. 00:02:21.985 --> 00:02:24.655 The IMDB description is medium at best, really? 00:02:25.495 --> 00:02:30.685 It really, really is also, I really can't wait to talk about tree surgeons. 00:02:31.625 --> 00:02:32.074 Oh my God. 00:02:32.794 --> 00:02:34.534 Tell me, you looked up what tree surgeons are. 00:02:34.594 --> 00:02:35.164 I did not. 00:02:35.425 --> 00:02:37.375 No, no, I didn't. 00:02:37.384 --> 00:02:39.844 Oh, darn our tree surgeons, actually a real thing. 00:02:39.844 --> 00:02:43.264 Now I need to know, tell us, are you a tree surgeon? 00:02:43.294 --> 00:02:44.194 Let us know. 00:02:56.120 --> 00:02:57.349 welcome back. 00:02:57.159 --> 00:02:58.210 hi everyone. 00:02:59.825 --> 00:03:01.596 Welcome back to us, I guess. 00:03:01.966 --> 00:03:05.925 We appreciate your patience for this episode. 00:03:06.316 --> 00:03:08.566 Oh, wait, no, wait, actually, technically 00:03:09.161 --> 00:03:09.550 Yeah. 00:03:09.911 --> 00:03:12.371 So let's, let's just do full disclosure. 00:03:12.621 --> 00:03:18.080 We're actually recording this episode before the reunion episode and the reunion episode is going to come out before this one. 00:03:18.621 --> 00:03:25.431 but we just felt there was a lot to deconstruct in the reunion episode and some things to look up. 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:29.860 And so you're going to be hearing that one, even though we've recorded it second, 00:03:30.306 --> 00:03:31.325 Yeah, exactly. 00:03:31.721 --> 00:03:33.371 Thank you for your patience, everyone. 00:03:33.491 --> 00:03:39.311 for, um, you know, Quinn getting sick and things kind of being put off a little while. 00:03:39.820 --> 00:03:42.151 So Emilie 00:03:42.686 --> 00:03:43.135 Yes. 00:03:43.390 --> 00:03:45.841 first, first impressions of the episode. 00:03:45.866 --> 00:03:47.545 First impressions of the episode. 00:03:47.605 --> 00:03:47.966 All right. 00:03:47.996 --> 00:03:51.015 Well, for me, this is, I think one of. 00:03:51.890 --> 00:03:57.450 I don't know if it's like one of my favorites, but it just feels like a pretty iconic, friend's episode. 00:03:57.820 --> 00:04:04.661 You know, like Gunther has this verse line in this episode, you know, there's like a few things that are a little bit kind of firsts in this episode. 00:04:05.001 --> 00:04:07.040 We got Treeger that comes back. 00:04:07.350 --> 00:04:16.170 I think we get like a pretty good level of emotional support from Chandler and Joey, something we don't get very often, which is really nice to see in this episode. 00:04:16.651 --> 00:04:28.680 Um, we learned more about Phoebe's backstory and honestly, while we were watching this episode, I was thinking that it would be so fun to like create a timeline from start to finish of the entirety of he was life. 00:04:28.920 --> 00:04:38.250 And now that I'm saying this out loud fandom probably has already done this, but it would just be really interesting to read the entirety of Phoebe's life and fill in the blanks wherever needed. 00:04:38.670 --> 00:04:40.740 Um, yeah. 00:04:40.951 --> 00:04:44.821 I also want to say that, I think it's kinda cute that we're recording this episode. 00:04:44.850 --> 00:04:46.771 The one with Phoebe's dad on father's. 00:04:48.550 --> 00:04:49.750 oh, that's so true. 00:04:50.185 --> 00:04:53.846 father's day and also while having holiday belated. 00:04:53.846 --> 00:05:01.826 Cause you're going to get this episode in like f***ing weeks, but I'm also happy, not father's day to all the deadbeat dads out there. 00:05:01.899 --> 00:05:09.509 I find this episode really interesting because this time when I was watching it, I don't know. 00:05:09.569 --> 00:05:17.678 I don't know if like I'm completely out to lunch or something, but something really dawned on me in this episode that that I has never before. 00:05:17.889 --> 00:05:25.209 And I think this kind of comes out of like very intentionally, like we're very intentionally watching one episode at a time, you know? 00:05:25.478 --> 00:05:31.838 And so, um, really sort of really intentionally seeing that like the storylines of the characters grow. 00:05:32.408 --> 00:05:39.668 And so what you're saying, where it's interesting, there's a first, you know, going through has this first line, um, you know, we meet Phoebe's grandmother for the first time. 00:05:39.788 --> 00:05:41.738 Phoebe's grandmother's taxi for the first time. 00:05:42.894 --> 00:05:46.134 And it's like this episode, they really kind of opened up a lot of things. 00:05:46.584 --> 00:05:57.113 Um, but, and they also like are expanding the relationship with like the superintendent, um, you know, and like trigger, um, which I find very interesting. 00:05:57.423 --> 00:06:16.684 But, what really kind of dawned on me in this episode is that like, this is the first episode where Phoebe realizes that her life hasn't just been this really convoluted, difficult time, but she actually doesn't know the full truth about it. 00:06:17.283 --> 00:06:21.913 Like up until this point, she's known what her life has looked like. 00:06:22.153 --> 00:06:22.723 Right. 00:06:23.204 --> 00:06:26.144 And this is the first episode where she starts to realize. 00:06:27.314 --> 00:06:36.894 There's like, like moving forward, she's just going to discover like a shit ton of lies about her life and how no one has really told her the truth. 00:06:37.223 --> 00:06:43.673 And I find that I never have actually realized that this is, this is the episode where that starts, you know? 00:06:43.988 --> 00:06:44.228 Yeah. 00:06:44.259 --> 00:06:46.629 Phoebe's had a pretty f***ing traumatic life. 00:06:46.658 --> 00:06:52.358 Like it's I find it, I find that the line from Rachel where she's like, how have you never been on an Oprah? 00:06:52.358 --> 00:06:53.738 Is like, I'm just like, 00:06:54.053 --> 00:06:54.413 Yeah. 00:06:54.444 --> 00:06:58.134 And it's, it's been like traumatic enough as is. 00:06:58.134 --> 00:07:04.074 And then to find out that you've been lit on a whole variety of things and you don't actually know what's true. 00:07:04.074 --> 00:07:16.194 Like that's like a whole other level and you know, and over the next little while we're gonna go through like the we're going to like join Phoebe on this very like intense journey of her. 00:07:16.194 --> 00:07:19.163 Like figuring out like, who is family? 00:07:19.163 --> 00:07:20.934 What is family does it exist? 00:07:20.934 --> 00:07:21.863 And like for her. 00:07:21.863 --> 00:07:25.913 And, um, and I find that really kind of interesting. 00:07:26.204 --> 00:07:26.533 Hmm. 00:07:27.644 --> 00:07:28.223 Gaslight. 00:07:28.463 --> 00:07:29.264 That's a big word. 00:07:29.264 --> 00:07:30.103 Yeah, but you're right. 00:07:30.103 --> 00:07:31.004 I guess like 00:07:31.119 --> 00:07:31.389 it's, 00:07:31.514 --> 00:07:32.834 that's exactly what it is Yeah. 00:07:32.834 --> 00:07:33.884 And I didn't even think about it. 00:07:33.884 --> 00:07:34.843 I didn't even realize 00:07:34.988 --> 00:07:46.899 like people who are intentionally like her, like people who know more than her and have more details about her, like were purposely hiding these things from her, 00:07:46.999 --> 00:07:53.358 but not just like purposefully hiding them, but like telling her a different story too. 00:07:53.358 --> 00:07:53.899 On top of 00:07:54.093 --> 00:07:55.084 yeah, totally. 00:07:55.113 --> 00:07:55.593 Yeah. 00:07:55.983 --> 00:08:09.144 Which like, you know, like can vary drastically, like stories that very drastically change your identity and relationship to your sense of self and family um, I mean, okay. 00:08:09.144 --> 00:08:13.194 Let's, let's save some of this cause I have, I want to let go into this more, 00:08:14.954 --> 00:08:15.223 All right. 00:08:15.254 --> 00:08:16.903 Well, yeah. 00:08:16.903 --> 00:08:22.153 I don't know if I have really three things this episode, like, there's kind of a more general conversation. 00:08:22.153 --> 00:08:29.113 Like I do want to talk a little bit about tipping culture and like there's, but it's more like, I just want to ask questions so much. 00:08:29.144 --> 00:08:32.203 Like I just find tipping culture is just such a weird thing. 00:08:32.653 --> 00:08:35.774 Um, and then, yeah, I always want to talk about. 00:08:36.913 --> 00:08:38.453 About Ross being needy. 00:08:38.813 --> 00:08:45.923 Um, and yeah, I, I think like Phoebe's dad in general is definitely a topic I want to talk about. 00:08:45.953 --> 00:08:56.823 Um, but also specifically like Chandler and Joey, um, kind of going on this ride, literal ride with Phoebe, and, and what that looks like and stuff like that. 00:08:56.823 --> 00:08:57.844 I think it's interesting. 00:08:57.874 --> 00:09:03.124 But anyways, that being said, let's get into the cold open. 00:09:04.408 --> 00:09:13.708 So we're in Monica's apartment and, um, we have first a comment about ugly naked guy. 00:09:14.114 --> 00:09:14.774 Classic 00:09:15.438 --> 00:09:18.048 And to be honest, I don't actually remember exactly what it 00:09:18.433 --> 00:09:19.813 something about as Christmas balls. 00:09:20.293 --> 00:09:21.163 If I remember correctly, 00:09:23.778 --> 00:09:25.908 um, sorry. 00:09:26.178 --> 00:09:27.528 I think it's funny balls. 00:09:27.739 --> 00:09:36.889 Um, uh, and then tipping, there's like a whole thing on tipping, every everyone. 00:09:36.948 --> 00:09:38.349 And I, I kind of, it's interesting. 00:09:38.359 --> 00:09:40.099 Cause I kind of vaguely remember this. 00:09:40.129 --> 00:09:46.099 Like I remember mom talking about like tipping the mailman when we were kids. 00:09:46.548 --> 00:09:48.129 Is that a thing that still happens? 00:09:48.129 --> 00:09:48.269 Yeah. 00:09:48.269 --> 00:09:55.254 See, that's something that I just, I don't know, like a tipping, the mailman, I've never tipped a mailman in my life. 00:09:55.948 --> 00:09:56.548 Yeah. 00:09:56.663 --> 00:09:58.134 can't even imagine. 00:09:59.453 --> 00:10:02.124 Like, that just sounds, that just is so weird to me. 00:10:02.573 --> 00:10:13.423 Like maybe to be in the newspaper delivery guide, but like the mailman is, I don't know, like it's also just like, okay, so tipping, the super like tipping, the guy who manages your building. 00:10:13.423 --> 00:10:17.144 Like it's like, I guess I just like tipping culture 00:10:17.428 --> 00:10:17.729 To me. 00:10:17.729 --> 00:10:18.989 I'm like, that's bullshit. 00:10:19.303 --> 00:10:20.384 like landlord 00:10:20.578 --> 00:10:24.208 no superintendent in Toronto deserves that 00:10:24.908 --> 00:10:36.158 Well, like, even if you're the best superintendent in the world, if you are the best superintendent in the world, well, then the landlord should be paying you a fair wage in which you don't rely on tipping to the point where like, you're literally pissed. 00:10:36.158 --> 00:10:38.229 If you don't receive something, you know what I mean? 00:10:38.229 --> 00:10:48.208 Like, like you see that with so many, like in this episode, you know, the mailman crushes, Monica's ornaments, you know, the delivery guy like crushes their newspaper. 00:10:48.448 --> 00:10:51.658 Like, I just feel like that's such an unrealistic thing to happen. 00:10:51.658 --> 00:10:54.089 And like, obviously it's F.R.I.E.N.D.S, his comedy, blah, blah, blah. 00:10:54.269 --> 00:11:00.229 But like, tipping is, I don't know, like tipping culture, maybe it's just different. 00:11:00.259 --> 00:11:01.339 Maybe it's different in the states. 00:11:01.369 --> 00:11:01.969 Maybe that's what it is. 00:11:01.969 --> 00:11:05.089 Maybe it's just different in the states and that's just not what we do here. 00:11:05.389 --> 00:11:10.068 But, um, you know, like tipping is definitely a, uh, by country sort of thing. 00:11:10.339 --> 00:11:10.458 It's 00:11:10.604 --> 00:11:17.384 Yeah, actually, I'm very curious because we've been getting more and more of an audience in the U S so. 00:11:19.134 --> 00:11:26.823 Please write in and let us know, do you guys tip your mailman and your newspaper delivery person? 00:11:27.484 --> 00:11:31.384 Like part of me is like, does anyone still get newspapers delivered these days? 00:11:33.214 --> 00:11:45.953 Um, but yeah, I'm just like, I'm very curious if this is a thing that people very commonly go through at, Christmas time and when the new year comes around, that people like tip absolutely everyone. 00:11:46.043 --> 00:11:47.543 Do you tip your superintendent? 00:11:47.573 --> 00:11:51.203 That's just, or you're like, I guess apartment manager or 00:11:51.403 --> 00:11:51.734 Yeah. 00:11:51.734 --> 00:11:52.094 I don't know. 00:11:52.124 --> 00:11:53.264 I think that one's weird. 00:11:53.504 --> 00:11:54.854 That's that's weird to me. 00:11:55.673 --> 00:11:56.124 Yeah. 00:11:56.423 --> 00:12:03.083 And like, I kind of wonder if some of these are like, like this is kind of dated. 00:12:03.964 --> 00:12:08.553 I kind of wonder, like I said, you know, like I remember mom tipping, like. 00:12:09.889 --> 00:12:16.038 The look in the newspaper delivery person and the, maybe the mailman when we were kids. 00:12:16.068 --> 00:12:20.448 But like in recent years, I can't even remember her ever doing that. 00:12:20.808 --> 00:12:21.528 So, 00:12:21.989 --> 00:12:26.129 but, and also like to clarify, like, um, like I do think. 00:12:26.989 --> 00:12:34.458 As someone who used to work in the service industry to being is like a huge part of, um, our wage. 00:12:34.759 --> 00:12:37.908 So like, and I know in the states, that's the case as well. 00:12:38.269 --> 00:12:44.568 Um, you know, like you get paid actually technically less than minimum wage, because it's expected that you're going to get tips. 00:12:44.568 --> 00:12:55.578 So like whenever, you know, someone goes out to a bar, every client that you have that doesn't tip you, you're actually technically getting paid less money, um, than minimum wage in order to serve that client. 00:12:55.818 --> 00:13:01.668 So like tips are integral to so many people's living. 00:13:02.089 --> 00:13:09.698 Um, but the issue with that is the fact that the owner of the business is putting the pain of their employees. 00:13:09.969 --> 00:13:16.058 Putting the onus on the client themselves rather than paying their employees, you know, a living wage. 00:13:16.089 --> 00:13:22.178 And, and that's why I use the term tipping culture, because it's not like one single business that is doing this. 00:13:22.418 --> 00:13:38.678 It's the fact that we've created this tipping system to being culture, um, in which like we've normalized, not paying employees, a full wage and putting that onus on the person who's buying the food or whatever the drink, whatever it is. 00:13:39.188 --> 00:13:49.448 Um, and if you go to like, you know, I'm sure, you know, people listening in Europe will, will vouch for this too, is that tipping in Europe is a lot less of a thing you don't really tip in europe. 00:13:50.239 --> 00:13:52.038 Do you remember when we were in? 00:13:52.458 --> 00:13:54.708 I think it was Italy and, 00:13:55.339 --> 00:13:57.198 yeah, they chased us down and gave us money back. 00:13:58.188 --> 00:13:59.058 It was like, an insult. 00:14:00.221 --> 00:14:05.178 and it was like more than once that it was sort of like, no, don't, don't give us this money. 00:14:05.538 --> 00:14:09.168 And it was just like, wow, that's very, very different. 00:14:10.028 --> 00:14:17.528 Then, and I want to point out that the, his, can I, can I talk about the history of tipping in like the restaurant industry? 00:14:17.769 --> 00:14:19.168 So, um, okay. 00:14:19.168 --> 00:14:24.879 There's different like stories and, and obviously it's interwoven into history and in a variety of different ways. 00:14:25.239 --> 00:14:25.839 Um, but. 00:14:26.719 --> 00:14:43.899 What I have read as of late of what was the actual initial beginning that like made that like switched everything to tipping as a standard in the restaurant industry was, um, I think it was the second world war that happened, or it was the great depression dammit. 00:14:43.928 --> 00:14:44.528 Now I forget. 00:14:44.739 --> 00:14:53.038 But essentially it was like some very large event where, a lot of people were getting laid off because there was no ability to pay them. 00:14:53.428 --> 00:14:58.078 And so in the restaurant industry, what they decided to do was that restaurants had to lower. 00:14:58.653 --> 00:15:04.173 The prices are food, which made it so they couldn't really pay, um, their servers as much. 00:15:04.234 --> 00:15:23.024 And so what they decided to do instead of firing people, um, and to keep the whole restaurant up a float was that they started implementing that the servers would either get paid, less or not at all, but then people would come in, pay for their food and then leave what they could to support the servers. 00:15:23.413 --> 00:15:36.224 Um, and so it kind of like you could make an argument that it was sort of like originally made in like a point in history where like sliding scale was almost like necessary for things to happen. 00:15:37.124 --> 00:15:39.734 Um, but we are not in. 00:15:40.438 --> 00:15:41.849 Place in the world anymore. 00:15:42.599 --> 00:16:09.989 And it's gotten to the point where it's like led down the line of, um, being able to offset the responsibility like Emilie was saying of being able to like offset the responsibility from like the owners and the employers, of having to actually pay and support their employees in a real way, um, to making it so that it was like on it's on the patrons, you know, which is really. 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:12.438 Upsetting in so many ways. 00:16:12.438 --> 00:16:17.739 And there is a large movement in the states, that exists within the restaurant industry to try to eliminate that. 00:16:17.739 --> 00:16:22.369 And there are certain restaurants that, do you just pay their servers on salary? 00:16:22.369 --> 00:16:34.229 And there's a lot of studies showing that it actually benefits the restaurant and the servers so much more to just have servers be paid on salary if anyone knows the show, Adam ruins everything. 00:16:34.688 --> 00:16:36.719 They do an episode on that. 00:16:36.719 --> 00:16:39.629 So I'm going to leave a link to that in the show notes. 00:16:39.629 --> 00:16:48.589 And, as someone, like Emilie, you were, in the realm of tipping by being a bartender and a server, I'd been a server in the past as well. 00:16:48.918 --> 00:17:07.519 Um, but also now that I'm in like the massage therapy industry, it's like this very strange, I guess intersection, because in Ontario, you get trained and you become registered as a healthcare practitioner, but there's still a very large tipping culture that exists, 00:17:07.888 --> 00:17:09.598 and you don't, you don't take tips, right? 00:17:10.348 --> 00:17:10.558 Yeah. 00:17:10.558 --> 00:17:12.989 I personally refuse to take tips. 00:17:13.019 --> 00:17:19.118 I don't let anyone tip me because I'm am not getting paid a server's wage. 00:17:19.479 --> 00:17:25.739 also there are people within the spa and wellness industry that like are not getting paid enough. 00:17:25.838 --> 00:17:28.538 That like tipping does really make sense for, 00:17:28.618 --> 00:17:36.778 It's also different per province too, because right in Quebec, you don't have the same amount of training to be a massage therapist. 00:17:36.778 --> 00:17:45.618 And a lot of people like, because you're not a registered medical, whatever, whatever you said you are, um, you, you know, 00:17:45.733 --> 00:17:46.213 healthcare 00:17:46.608 --> 00:17:47.118 there you go. 00:17:47.419 --> 00:17:51.919 Um, like your you're not, it's all, it's all like spa kind of massage. 00:17:51.949 --> 00:18:01.249 Most people who are trained in massage, they're being Quebec, because it's the difference between having to take a 400 hour course in Quebec versus an in Ontario? 00:18:01.249 --> 00:18:01.548 What is it? 00:18:01.548 --> 00:18:01.759 Like 00:18:02.023 --> 00:18:03.193 a three-year college 00:18:03.439 --> 00:18:04.519 Yeah, exactly. 00:18:04.693 --> 00:18:06.584 It's 2200 hours in total. 00:18:06.584 --> 00:18:06.943 Yeah. 00:18:06.979 --> 00:18:07.189 Yeah. 00:18:07.189 --> 00:18:11.148 Like you could get trained to become a massage therapist in two months in Quebec, basically. 00:18:11.449 --> 00:18:17.074 So, um, but anyways, all that to say that, um, And that it's just 00:18:17.153 --> 00:18:20.723 Not to say that there aren't really good massage therapists in Quebec. 00:18:20.913 --> 00:18:21.453 of course not. 00:18:21.513 --> 00:18:23.134 It's just a totally different ball game. 00:18:23.433 --> 00:18:23.794 Of course. 00:18:23.913 --> 00:18:27.124 I see, I see a lot of very good massage therapists and come back. 00:18:27.423 --> 00:18:29.673 Um, but like, it's just a different ball game. 00:18:29.673 --> 00:18:30.574 It's a different world. 00:18:30.574 --> 00:18:36.753 And therefore there's like a different expectation behind, like, it becomes like viewed as a different way. 00:18:36.753 --> 00:18:39.364 One is more of like a luxury service. 00:18:39.364 --> 00:18:45.544 Whereas one is like, uh, a, like an actual medical need, you know, I think. 00:18:45.544 --> 00:18:50.854 And so like, you know, you don't tip your doctor and yet you tip, you know, it's just weird. 00:18:50.854 --> 00:19:02.584 Like we tip our mechanic, we tip our cab driver, but we don't tip, um, you know, the guy who, I don't know, there's just like, there's just so many things where like, it's just always a question. 00:19:02.584 --> 00:19:06.034 Like I find like, I'm always like, wait, was this something that I should have tipped someone on? 00:19:06.034 --> 00:19:07.564 Like I don't actually know. 00:19:07.594 --> 00:19:12.513 Like, and then you sometimes think you're like, oh, if I try to tip this person, is this actually like, insulting? 00:19:12.513 --> 00:19:15.064 Like, am I like, like, am I like. 00:19:15.723 --> 00:19:19.324 Looking down on them and the work that they do by trying to tip them. 00:19:19.324 --> 00:19:19.773 Do you know what I mean? 00:19:19.773 --> 00:19:23.644 Like it's like, it's just such a weird, weird concept. 00:19:23.644 --> 00:19:24.394 So anyways, 00:19:24.618 --> 00:19:50.479 And it's so often in the realms where it's like, again, it's like where employers are not like these we're tipping with folks who are in an employment situations where their employers are offsetting their responsibility to ensuring a like satisfactory wage to someone and it's being offset to the patrons. 00:19:50.538 --> 00:20:06.679 And so, and it's, it kind of comes down to the idea that like, we need to stop making like the initial, like the cost that we see be low so that more people will like show up for it. 00:20:06.769 --> 00:20:10.098 And then sort of like create this need for tipping. 00:20:10.098 --> 00:20:12.618 That is like a cost that you don't actually see. 00:20:12.618 --> 00:20:17.378 And instead make sure that everyone is being paid correctly and. 00:20:18.229 --> 00:20:29.479 Just asking for exactly what the service costs and making it more point blank, you know, like just this is as it 00:20:29.824 --> 00:20:30.094 Yeah. 00:20:30.124 --> 00:20:34.773 In less words, in less words, just smashed capitalism really is the answer. 00:20:36.449 --> 00:20:42.298 I mean, this is less of a smash capitalism, but, and more of a, you know, it's true. 00:20:43.213 --> 00:20:45.673 Um, can we move on from this topic? 00:20:46.348 --> 00:20:47.038 Yeah, totally. 00:20:47.038 --> 00:20:48.749 Let's because yeah, it's been awhile. 00:20:49.078 --> 00:20:50.588 Um, okay. 00:20:50.703 --> 00:20:51.003 okay. 00:20:51.003 --> 00:20:51.903 So we get it. 00:20:51.933 --> 00:20:55.144 Um, so yeah, so anyways, that's kind of the first scene. 00:20:55.144 --> 00:20:57.183 You basically get a little bit of a setup here. 00:20:57.183 --> 00:21:03.874 They're having a Christmas party, um, tipping the newspaper it's kind of comes up multiple times in the episode and then yeah. 00:21:04.023 --> 00:21:06.933 Uh, that's, that's basically it for this opening scene. 00:21:07.384 --> 00:21:13.763 Um, and then we ended up in central perk and Ross walks in and 00:21:13.953 --> 00:21:14.253 Sorry. 00:21:14.253 --> 00:21:16.054 I'm already laughing, thinking about this scene. 00:21:16.564 --> 00:21:17.163 Um, 00:21:17.294 --> 00:21:18.733 maybe we're thinking of two different seats. 00:21:18.763 --> 00:21:19.693 I just find it funny that 00:21:19.983 --> 00:21:20.544 no, no, no. 00:21:20.554 --> 00:21:21.034 Where Ross 00:21:21.084 --> 00:21:21.703 slinky. 00:21:22.534 --> 00:21:22.773 Yeah. 00:21:22.773 --> 00:21:24.604 He tries to give Rachel a slinky. 00:21:25.324 --> 00:21:26.854 Just it's so random. 00:21:27.124 --> 00:21:27.844 Like why 00:21:27.943 --> 00:21:28.273 Yeah. 00:21:28.304 --> 00:21:35.983 Do you, do you, you obviously remember slinkies, like that's such a stupid question for me to ask, but do you remember the slinky we had as, uh, as kids? 00:21:36.763 --> 00:21:38.084 didn't we have more than one? 00:21:38.324 --> 00:21:42.134 I just know, I specifically remember we had like one of those multicolor ones. 00:21:42.673 --> 00:21:43.213 The rainbow 00:21:43.233 --> 00:21:43.683 Yeah. 00:21:43.683 --> 00:21:49.324 So like the bottom starts as like purple and then you, you rotate all the way up and you get to like orange, you know? 00:21:49.324 --> 00:21:52.233 So you get like this whole rainbow, it was the best. 00:21:52.233 --> 00:21:52.624 Yeah. 00:21:53.163 --> 00:21:54.003 It's like, but 00:21:54.084 --> 00:21:55.344 I think it was yours too. 00:21:55.564 --> 00:21:57.513 it must've been mine, but it was like made out of plastic. 00:21:57.513 --> 00:21:59.824 It wasn't like made out of metal. 00:22:00.304 --> 00:22:01.894 Um, and I just find it funny. 00:22:01.894 --> 00:22:05.403 Cause like, first of all, you would never see slinkies nowadays. 00:22:05.403 --> 00:22:08.943 Like what the hell no one is using slinkies anymore. 00:22:09.304 --> 00:22:14.044 Um, but even still even like when it was our age, why were we even using slinkies? 00:22:14.044 --> 00:22:16.233 Like there's such a weird toy. 00:22:16.263 --> 00:22:18.634 Like I'm never gonna forget. 00:22:18.663 --> 00:22:24.273 Like, it's just like one of those, like we just have such different levels of entertainment now. 00:22:25.669 --> 00:22:30.308 Well, no, it's also like, kind of like, they were the fidget spinners of that time, 00:22:30.713 --> 00:22:31.463 interesting. 00:22:31.463 --> 00:22:31.794 Interesting. 00:22:32.159 --> 00:22:46.479 you know, like it's like every once in a while there was like this random toy and like, realistically, it's kind of like the enjoyment of the mechanics that somehow seem to satisfy or very universal human aspect of a brain. 00:22:46.719 --> 00:23:00.878 And like, this is my theory, you know, that like, you know, like Slinkys at the time were like the thing and then it, it it's, you know, and then more recently it was like the fidget spinners, which like kind of have disappeared and are not really much of a thing anymore. 00:23:02.263 --> 00:23:02.384 Yeah. 00:23:02.384 --> 00:23:03.163 That's very weird. 00:23:04.473 --> 00:23:10.673 um, but also I wanna point, like, can we just like, talk about Ross's choices of gifts, at The moment 00:23:10.747 --> 00:23:11.767 Yeah, he is. 00:23:11.856 --> 00:23:14.977 He is questionable at best when it comes to his choice of gift. 00:23:15.013 --> 00:23:20.804 And then like he gives Ross and Joe, uh, Joey, and Chandler's such a hard time later on for their, for the gifts he gives. 00:23:20.804 --> 00:23:23.983 And he's like, dude, like you could have picked up that slinky at the gas station too. 00:23:24.253 --> 00:23:24.554 Like. 00:23:26.284 --> 00:23:28.384 Like, I think that he's just trying to be cute. 00:23:28.384 --> 00:23:29.044 You know what I mean? 00:23:29.044 --> 00:23:33.663 But like, doesn't he know Rachel at all, like Rachel is not like Rachel needs good gifts. 00:23:33.693 --> 00:23:34.503 Like what the hell? 00:23:35.394 --> 00:23:35.604 Aye. 00:23:35.604 --> 00:23:36.773 Aye, exactly. 00:23:36.773 --> 00:23:37.223 Right. 00:23:37.223 --> 00:23:39.294 Like you can't return that. 00:23:39.384 --> 00:23:49.344 Um, and then, but then on top of that, like, like we're going to skip Gunther for a second here, but like then he sits down and they're like, show us the gifts that you're buying. 00:23:49.614 --> 00:23:52.854 And like, he has like a picture frame, which I'm like, okay. 00:23:53.124 --> 00:23:58.854 And then he w what is that, that blouse that he gets for his mom. 00:23:58.943 --> 00:23:59.483 rough. 00:23:59.544 --> 00:24:01.284 That's really rough. 00:24:01.999 --> 00:24:07.189 who, who even like, did you not get that at a costume store? 00:24:07.219 --> 00:24:08.358 I don't understand. 00:24:08.419 --> 00:24:14.638 I mean, like, it's definitely a shirt, but maybe prince or Michael Jackson would wear, but like, 00:24:15.148 --> 00:24:25.604 I also, like, I really just want to know who in the outfit department or whatever it's called, like was the one who found this sweater and decided that it was going to be part of it. 00:24:25.604 --> 00:24:33.074 Like someone had the job of finding this shirt and, or making this shirt. 00:24:33.284 --> 00:24:34.993 And both are ridiculous. 00:24:35.324 --> 00:24:35.923 Either. 00:24:35.983 --> 00:24:42.433 Some, either the shirt already existed somewhere, which means someone really actually thought this was a good looking shirt. 00:24:42.703 --> 00:24:47.294 Or they had to literally create this shirt for the show, which is even more hilarious. 00:24:48.838 --> 00:24:50.009 Oh, my God. 00:24:50.699 --> 00:24:54.479 Uh, I bet you, it was something like Armani or something. 00:24:54.568 --> 00:24:55.078 I don't know. 00:24:55.259 --> 00:24:58.078 Some, you know, like some brand like that, maybe it was a real shirt. 00:24:58.794 --> 00:25:00.203 but honestly we're millennials. 00:25:00.203 --> 00:25:01.913 So maybe gen Z thinks this is cool. 00:25:01.913 --> 00:25:03.413 Like who the f*** knows, you know, like. 00:25:03.729 --> 00:25:03.929 Yeah. 00:25:04.259 --> 00:25:05.558 It's so true. 00:25:05.709 --> 00:25:11.858 Like how often is it that you see like, like gen Z or not gen Z? 00:25:11.919 --> 00:25:16.088 Cause technically it's not gen Z making up the trends right now, realistically. 00:25:16.088 --> 00:25:19.118 I mean, it's the people who are in fashion who are probably millennials our age. 00:25:19.449 --> 00:25:23.318 But like, if you see like what it is right now, that's fashionable. 00:25:23.348 --> 00:25:26.739 It's pretty much everything that everyone in F.R.I.E.N.D.S wears. 00:25:26.949 --> 00:25:27.638 That is what is in 00:25:27.864 --> 00:25:28.403 That's true. 00:25:28.433 --> 00:25:28.794 It's true. 00:25:28.794 --> 00:25:29.874 It's like the oversize. 00:25:29.993 --> 00:25:39.084 Um, yeah, you got like the, the, like one of the, Rachel's a, you know, like Jean overall outfits that she wears like a hundred percent in style right now. 00:25:39.653 --> 00:25:44.544 There's a lot of things like oversized, baggy sweaters and things that we used to wear in the nineties. 00:25:44.544 --> 00:25:44.993 Yeah. 00:25:45.388 --> 00:25:47.038 ShoreTel's are back in 00:25:47.483 --> 00:25:51.713 Thin those thin sunglasses instead of like big round sunglasses. 00:25:52.374 --> 00:25:52.854 Yeah. 00:25:53.094 --> 00:25:53.334 Yeah. 00:25:53.364 --> 00:26:01.604 Everything's but honestly, literally trends are just like, because when we were millennials, like we were bringing back the eighties, like we did a lot. 00:26:01.709 --> 00:26:03.169 when, when we were the millennials, 00:26:03.294 --> 00:26:06.344 Sorry, when we were like, cool, we're not really cool anymore. 00:26:06.344 --> 00:26:06.913 We're not the cool 00:26:07.038 --> 00:26:08.209 when we were relevant. 00:26:08.594 --> 00:26:09.193 exactly. 00:26:09.344 --> 00:26:16.463 But like, remember legwarmers was a thing, you know, and like wearing leggings and legwarmers, like, which is super eighties, you know? 00:26:16.463 --> 00:26:24.493 And hoop bracelets were a thing, which is eighties, you know, like off the shoulder shirts, fashion is just constantly recycling itself. 00:26:24.530 --> 00:26:25.786 that's just what fashion is. 00:26:25.786 --> 00:26:29.251 It's just, it's like stealing from other cultures and recycling. 00:26:29.531 --> 00:26:34.061 I mean, I haven't seen anything from the 18 hundreds anytime recently, but 00:26:34.153 --> 00:26:36.193 Uh, I beg to differ. 00:26:36.324 --> 00:26:41.453 Do you not remember the goth era in which everyone was wearing frickin like corsets? 00:26:41.544 --> 00:26:42.594 Uh, yeah. 00:26:44.588 --> 00:26:44.979 True. 00:26:45.729 --> 00:26:47.019 I spoke too quickly. 00:26:48.513 --> 00:26:50.973 But going back Gunther says his first line. 00:26:51.136 --> 00:26:54.478 his first line, um, what is it? 00:26:54.857 --> 00:26:55.367 Yeah. 00:26:57.230 --> 00:27:00.589 line is one word and I don't think he speaks again for several episodes. 00:27:01.539 --> 00:27:03.730 it's like when Nora says her first word, it's like, 00:27:03.759 --> 00:27:07.509 it's it's yeah. 00:27:09.059 --> 00:27:13.410 So funny though that like that's his and I, is that the first time we hear his name too? 00:27:13.410 --> 00:27:14.069 Maybe I don't. 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:14.970 I don't remember, 00:27:15.829 --> 00:27:16.750 um, I think so. 00:27:16.750 --> 00:27:17.049 Yeah. 00:27:17.049 --> 00:27:19.509 So we have, we talked about Gunther much at all. 00:27:19.509 --> 00:27:22.000 Like have we, you know what, we should just talk about it again. 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:24.799 yeah, because yeah, we can't talk too much about Gunther right now. 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:27.380 We don't have enough information about Gunther. 00:27:27.625 --> 00:27:28.275 Well, no, no, no. 00:27:28.404 --> 00:27:42.924 W we're we're not going to talk about, so what turned him into being an actual character that had a line slash will have lines in future, um, is the fact that, so apparently I forget the actor's name. 00:27:43.285 --> 00:27:43.914 He 00:27:44.984 --> 00:27:45.434 Tyler, 00:27:45.595 --> 00:27:49.075 Michael Taylor, um, Tyler St. 00:27:49.075 --> 00:27:58.825 James Michael Tyler had, um, basically got cast for, to be in just like the background of the show and just to like work in the background as an extra. 00:27:59.244 --> 00:28:10.795 And then the night before his friend is like a hairdresser and wanted, or was learning how to become a hairdresser and was like essentially wanting to experiment on him. 00:28:11.500 --> 00:28:13.180 And then he was like, sure, I don't care. 00:28:13.180 --> 00:28:13.720 It doesn't matter. 00:28:13.900 --> 00:28:18.250 And ended up completely bleaching his hair to the point of it being yellow. 00:28:18.250 --> 00:28:20.049 And he was like, kind of like, oh shit. 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.380 You know, I have to go in and I'm going to get filmed this way. 00:28:23.650 --> 00:28:29.470 And that apparently when he went in, they liked like the essence of like the character that sort of brought. 00:28:29.829 --> 00:28:33.490 And so over time they just sort of were like, okay, no, come back in. 00:28:33.490 --> 00:28:36.369 But like re re bleach her hair every time. 00:28:37.150 --> 00:28:40.809 And then, um, you know, now he has, he has his first word. 00:28:41.140 --> 00:28:41.500 Yeah. 00:28:42.009 --> 00:29:02.859 And it's crazy because he like, he, he actually, so he ends up, like, if you've watched F.R.I.E.N.D.S before, you've probably noticed Gunther in the background just as like there, because you know, Gunther, but if you've never watched, um, F.R.I.E.N.D.S before, like if you go back and rewatch, Gunther has been in a whole bunch of episodes beforehand, but has just never said anything. 00:29:02.859 --> 00:29:04.240 He's just been there. 00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:11.950 Um, and he's actually, like, he obviously continues to show up in the show, but he's actually the only. 00:29:12.775 --> 00:29:24.775