Why is Michael Jackson our favourite problematic celebrity? - EPISODE 6

Tom & Kayla had seen the film, Michael and they had ALOT to say about it. Diving deep into the film, sharing their thoughts on the story, performances, standout moments and overall, despite his controversies, why they LOVE (or are scared of) Michael...Plus talk about other celebrities they love despite their own controversies. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_06 0:02

Hello! It's been a minute. I forgot that we started like that every time. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 0:09

What's up? What is happening?

SPEAKER_06 0:13

We went and saw Michael.

SPEAKER_02 0:15

We went and saw Michael moments ago.

SPEAKER_06 0:18

Yeah, we just came back. We haven't Well, we said we weren't gonna talk about it between leaving the cinema and now. But then at the tram stop, we like immediately started talking about it.

SPEAKER_02 0:27

The case it was busting at the seams. We had to debrief to the debrief.

SPEAKER_06 0:31

Yes, but what is this? Who are we? Who are we?

SPEAKER_02 0:33

This is oh so glad you asked. I'm so glad you asked.

SPEAKER_06 0:36

I was meant to join in there, wasn't I?

SPEAKER_02 0:38

I was so glad you asked about the Michael film.

SPEAKER_06 0:40

I'm so glad you asked about the Michael film because apparently you have a lot to say.

SPEAKER_02 0:44

I do have a lot to say. Apparently you have a lot to say.

SPEAKER_06 0:46

I do. I don't even know. I've been it's been like an hour now and I still haven't fully like been able to consolidate all my thoughts into like a short sentence about it.

SPEAKER_02 0:53

Of course, we don't want to spoil the film for those who haven't seen it yet.

SPEAKER_06 0:57

No one dies.

SPEAKER_02 0:58

It's like we're yeah but I will say that we are going to, I guess, crack open, yes, that case of the pros and the cons, the thoughts, the that can of Pepsi.

SPEAKER_06 1:08

That can of Pepsi.

SPEAKER_02 1:10

Screw Pepsi, I'm not drinking Pepsi at all.

SPEAKER_06 1:12

Do you see the antagonist of the Michael film? Because they kind of only come around in the in the climax and they do a deal a serious blow to our hero. I think they're the major antagonist. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Don't worry.

SPEAKER_06 1:23

Don't worry about don't worry about Joe Jackson. He's off there, he's he's just stewing. This movie's so repetitive. This movie has so many scenes of Joe Jackson just being like, oh, and now my next plan with Michael, and someone's like, you can't do that with Michael, and he's like, Who are you to tell me? And then it's like 20 minutes later, we're gonna get the same scene again.

SPEAKER_02 1:39

When Pepsi, I think, just came up like a sneak attack. So that's why he's 100% the antagonist.

SPEAKER_06 1:45

Yes. Do you even like Pepsi?

SPEAKER_02 1:47

I do. I actually sometimes prefer it than uh Coke, but I go in waves, something I want a bit more sugary, so then I go to Pepsi, something I want a bit more loud.

SPEAKER_06 1:54

That's my problem with it. Pepsi gives you like that gunk at the back of your throat. Like, you ever get that?

SPEAKER_02 1:59

Yeah, it gave gunk on the back of Michael's head, too.

SPEAKER_06 2:04

I uh we we mentioned this, but I was I remember being like I I didn't tell you this specific. I remember being on an excursion to the Shrine of Remembrance in like year six.

SPEAKER_00 2:13

Classic.

SPEAKER_06 2:14

Yeah, or like when like the teacher's like, what do we do for this, like, this part of the curriculum? And then like one person walks in and like, I have an excursion for you. Um but there was like one person who like worked at the shrine, and we were in like this little um like container, like storage container that was like a classroom sort of thing with like dummies and displays. And for some reason it came up and he's like, Do you guys ever hear about when Michael Jackson did a Pepsi commercial and his hair caught on fire? And I was like, No, never heard about this. And he was like, Yeah, he almost died. And I'm like, how could you almost die from your hair catching on fire? But then we watched the movie and I'm like, oh, that does look pretty bad.

SPEAKER_02 2:45

That does look pretty bad.

SPEAKER_06 2:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 2:48

Because he's bad. He's bad. He's very, very bad. He's very, very bad. But in this film, he's predict he's, I guess, uh portrayed as this gorgeous man who went through life having a terrible father, of course. As we said, it's history, so you know, no spoilers. The dad was shit. Uh and then growing his career with his family, but then going off and doing his own thing. What a way for his nephew, Jafar, to also Jafar, the sorcerer. The sorcerer from a legend, the guy from Aladdin with this.

SPEAKER_06 3:16

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 3:16

And so many great shots of him, as you said, like looking exactly like.

SPEAKER_06 3:22

There's like a specific angle. I think I mentioned that it's like it's like a three-quarter view from behind where he's like looking around, like just a little bit, like the camera's here and he's like that. And I'm like, that's Michael. That's Mike.

SPEAKER_03 3:32

That's Mikey. That's Mike.

SPEAKER_06 3:33

I want to say up front, I think this movie's really weird, just to start. And I also think that they do a really weird job with Michael in the sense that he kind of doesn't have any flaws or or like inherent negative traits. Everything he does is like, it's his spare time. So Michael's back at the hospital giving some toys to kids. It's like, okay, I get it. He the surely there were some problems with him, right?

SPEAKER_02 3:57

I think that they uh took the best parts of who he was at that time as well, where you know the drugs hadn't kicked in, he wasn't going through that type of like hallucinating those behaviors due to that.

SPEAKER_06 4:11

He was just fucking around with a monkey.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Yeah, he was just loving a monkey. Uh he they definitely took well, from what was depicted anyway, the best version of him when none of the trauma, none of the, you know, I guess I would use the word psychosis in a way with some of the drugs that he was taking, that he kind of fell into, you know, more of the surgeries. They kind of just look towards more of this like loving man who, as we were saying, off pod as well, going through this kind of like mental state of not being able to grow the childhood. Yeah, like that arrested development. Yeah. And with buying things. Often in the film, it's just about him buying more stuff.

SPEAKER_06 4:48

I I saw a clip the other day of like Michael walking around. This is like scary Michael, and he's like walking around.

SPEAKER_01 4:54

Wait, hold on. What's the difference between good Michael and scary Michael?

SPEAKER_06 4:56

We know the difference. We all know that when when he started to look like he had a butt chin, that's when you can define scary Michael. Yeah. And anyway, it's like a clip of him in like a Las Vegas, like I think showroom, and he's just walking around like pointing at things and not looking at the price tags, being like, Oh, look at that chest set, that looks so nice. And it's like probably like six thousand dollars or something like that. And he's just walking around and he buys like the whole store. And the guy like who runs is like rubbing his hands together, like, yes.

SPEAKER_02 5:24

There was one toy store that got a couple of shots. Yeah, Tom's toys. Tom's Tom's toys.

SPEAKER_06 5:32

That actually this is such a minor thing. They have they held on a couple of exterior shots of Tom's toys. This I don't know if it's real, it's probably just a Toys R Us, but they have like this logo for it where it's like two identifiable toys, and then what I figure is meant to be Tom at the bottom, but it's really scary. It's like just this egg shape with like two holes and like for eyes and another hole for a mouth. And it's just like and it's like honestly scary. And I'm like, I only clocked it on like the third establishing shot of Tom's toys, but I was like, What is that, Tom? And then it was gone. At least they gave you a chance to think about it again. Yeah, well, it's maybe the most the most thought-provoking thing in the film, I would say.

SPEAKER_01 6:09

That and bubbles.

SPEAKER_06 6:10

Bubbles. That really got me out of it. Let's talk about bubbles.

SPEAKER_02 6:13

I I loved the relationship. I was like, I want one of those. Hold on, he's CGI.

SPEAKER_06 6:18

Yeah, he is. He's he's Robbie Williams.

SPEAKER_02 6:19

He's Robbie Williams, better man.

SPEAKER_06 6:21

Did you ever see the Fablemans, the Steven Spielberg movie? Yeah. There's a bit in that where Michelle Williams, who plays like Steven Spielberg's mum, because it's like basically his life, like this really happened. She's like, Oh, I needed a laugh, and she just bought buys a monkey, and then there's just a monkey living with them. And that really happened.

SPEAKER_02 6:35

The two things I know about monkeys is one monkey ripped the face off a woman.

SPEAKER_06 6:40

Yeah. And in nope.

SPEAKER_02 6:42

In nope. Yeah. But also in real life.

SPEAKER_06 6:46

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Wait, wait, wait. That wasn't a doco?

SPEAKER_02 6:49

60 Minutes did a whole episode of it.

SPEAKER_06 6:51

Yeah, or nope. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

In nope. And out of nope.

SPEAKER_06 6:55

Yeah. What else do you know about chimps?

SPEAKER_02 6:57

Um that Michael loved them. I did realize that he had purchased the monkey quite early on in the career.

SPEAKER_06 7:05

Yeah, that was actually. I'm like, you got some clout, you're moving, like you got giraffes and you've only released one solo album. That's kind of crazy. I would wait until I'd release like three. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 7:14

But also no one told him no as well.

SPEAKER_06 7:16

I was like, how did like from what we've seen of Joe, the dad, I'm like, how is he not stepping in and being like, you can't buy a giraffe? Like, I if I'm like a steel worker from and I know this is a real person, so it's hard to characterize as like if I was this character, but if I'm a steel worker from Gary, Indiana, and I'm like a hard and like, I'm gonna like grind my like kids into the dirt, if they come up and they're like, I'm getting a gorilla, I'm like, no, you're not.

SPEAKER_02 7:42

But I think Joe just loved the idea of like money, money, money, money. When you're gonna do it.

SPEAKER_06 7:47

Yeah, well that was all they that was all the movie really like I I mentioned this to you off the pod, but I was like, knowing what I like I've always known that Joe was like an evil man because it was always like in the news because I grew up when I was like nine when Michael Jackson died, and so it was like always like oh, evil Joe. But I was like watching it and I'm like, in any other movie, if this was like a made-up character, this would be like a terrible performance and a terrible written, terribly written character, but I'm like, he was moving like that. He did do that.

SPEAKER_02 8:16

He was trying to sign deals behind the back and get the family back together.

SPEAKER_06 8:19

Yeah, with Don King, the WWE. Yeah, yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_02 8:22

All the cameos, all the cameos in this film.

SPEAKER_06 8:26

They could have had more, honestly. I'm like, I if they make Michael II, which I feel like is they apparently are.

SPEAKER_02 8:31

His story continues instead of.

SPEAKER_06 8:32

Yes, yes, yeah. Um was it like his voice continues or something like that? Or his voice I it was something crazy at the end of the movie. But I feel like if they make Michael II, Michaels, I think they should call it Michaels. Michaels. Yeah, Michaels, like aliens aliens. Yeah, Michaels. Um, if they make Michaels, they have so many more opportunities for cameos. Like, and I'm like, at a certain point, I don't even want that, because it would just be gratuitous, but you could put in like some really crazy ones. Like, get Dan Ackroyd in there.

SPEAKER_02 9:02

Why not? Yeah. You know who wasn't in the film? Janet.

SPEAKER_06 9:05

Janet. Janet, we got LaToya.

SPEAKER_02 9:07

We love LaToya. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 9:09

I said we got LaToya. I did not say we love LaToya.

SPEAKER_02 9:12

I didn't realize, well, we knew that Janet wasn't a part of it. Yeah. But I just thought, oh, surely, like, there will be a character in it in the family, but she's just like, doesn't speak. Yeah. She's mute.

SPEAKER_06 9:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:24

Nah, she just wasn't a part of the family at all.

SPEAKER_06 9:26

What they don't show you is that she does exist in this movie. They've just chained her up in another room. And like, yeah, and so like she can't move. So whenever they're like, we're having a family meeting, it's like Janet's there, like, banging against it, like, I want to join the family meeting. That's actually that's canon in the film.

SPEAKER_02 9:39

Fair. Yeah. I think that that would have been a big trope of like because Janet did her own music career.

SPEAKER_06 9:44

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 9:44

Come on, dad, let me be a part of it. Let me be a part of it. And they're like, no, shut up. Let's just talk about your brother.

SPEAKER_06 9:49

Yeah. A lot of well, we still also did get that though.

SPEAKER_02 9:52

We did. We did get a lot of that. And I just love the little digs of Jermaine as well. Yeah. And what I love as we were talking about on the tram too, about how Michael's uh interviews where he's like, I love my brothers, even Jermaine.

SPEAKER_06 10:06

I love Turing.

SPEAKER_02 10:07

I love Turing, I love Turing.

SPEAKER_06 10:09

It's killing me. It's killing me. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 10:12

And then I love the video of Paris Jackson going, Have you seen the video of my dad saying he loves Touring but he doesn't? Amazing. Oh my god.

SPEAKER_06 10:18

There are so many Jacksons. Because when you said Paris Jackson, I was like, I forgot Paris Jackson existed.

SPEAKER_02 10:22

Paris Jackson, Prince.

SPEAKER_06 10:24

Prince Jackson? Prince Jackson.

SPEAKER_02 10:25

Which is funny because he makes a joke about Prince getting the songs. I think that's a funny joke.

SPEAKER_06 10:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:30

Why didn't he name his kid Prince?

SPEAKER_06 10:32

Maybe that was like the ultimate, like, I'm gonna get you. I'm gonna name him.

SPEAKER_02 10:36

And then Blanket.

SPEAKER_06 10:37

Blanket, yeah. I I remember Blanket being the one that was dangled over the balcony, which was scary as hell.

SPEAKER_02 10:43

That was scary as hell.

SPEAKER_06 10:44

Well, okay, so what's your history with Michael Jackson?

SPEAKER_02 10:46

History? Great album. Um my history, as in my love.

SPEAKER_06 10:53

Like uh were okay. Can I give you my history and then maybe you can like throw back? Okay. So when I was a kid, I had a DVD of all of his like cool music videos that I was given, and because this was like before YouTube or Vivo. Yeah. Um, and I remember being so compelled because I would watch them and I would try to like dance the way that Michael was dancing, but I found him terrifying. And every time there was like photos of him or like he was on the news, I would be like, That is the scariest man on the planet. But Thriller is really watchable. I was so compelled, and I'm like the music, like and I remember being like Smooth Criminal is so underrated.

SPEAKER_00 11:33

I remember trying to Yes, say that.

SPEAKER_06 11:35

Yeah, say well, I underrated, like it's not like a top five, but like when I was a kid, my older brother and sister, when I tr when we were watching the music videos on the DVD, I'd be like, now let's watch Smooth Criminal. They were like, they're like, mm, we're gonna go like do something else.

SPEAKER_03 11:47

And I'm like, guys, he leans. Oh, he does lean, the lean, the ultimate lean.

SPEAKER_06 11:52

I have one more thing though. I remember watching scary movie three when I was a kid. And that movie, I'm gonna be doing justice. Well, I remember being in year two and like telling a kid being like scary movie three is actually scary, like it lives up to its title because I didn't like the stuff of like the grudge where she's coming out of the TV. I was like, that's scary. But there's a scene in that where there's like a Michael Jackson like impersonator who like fights Charlie Sheen, and that scared me a lot too. And so I'm like, I used to be terrified to the point of I remember being in a swimming pool, and the pool filter cover on the bottom of the pool had like two slits that looked like eyes and another slit that looked like a mouth, and it was like white, and I'm like, that looks like Michael Jackson, he's gonna get me in the pool, so I had to get out of the pool. I fully was terrified of it.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

And you didn't say anything about Michael Jackson.

SPEAKER_06 12:38

Yeah, because it's so nebulous. I remember feeling relief when he died. I'm gonna say it.

SPEAKER_02 12:45

Okay, let me tell you about when he died.

SPEAKER_06 12:47

Yeah, were you there?

SPEAKER_02 12:48

My history about that is that I did you administer the drugs? No.

SPEAKER_06 12:55

I signed I signed the prescription. I love that man.

SPEAKER_02 13:00

I used to play his CDs out the front of the library in primary school as a CD player. Every room in the school, every classroom would get a CD player. What? Now I had issues with stealing the CD players, accidentally breaking them, and then like giving them back. But I remember there was a scandal with one of my friends.

SPEAKER_06 13:20

Kerry Washington. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:23

Where I got in trouble for leaving the CD player out in the rain, and I definitely did not. And I was saying it's the I'm gonna call that. Ollie, it was you. You left the CD player out in the rain, and he kept telling everyone it was me, and everyone knew, like, thought it was me. It wasn't me though. The other CD players are definitely broke, but I did not leave that one out in the rain.

SPEAKER_06 13:42

I remember This is like the boy who cried Wolf, the the girl who broke the CD players. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 13:47

So I used to take the CD player and take the Michael Jackson CDs that I borrowed from my friend.

SPEAKER_05 13:53

Okay.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

And I just kept them in like my like tub at school. And we would play music. Yeah. But the day that Michael Jackson passed, uh big day. Big day, I was playing Michael at the front because I thought, oh, he's passed away and let's celebrate everyone.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

Let's celebrate his death, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:10

Let's celebrate his death. We won't. And I had one of the principals come out and say, Can you please turn that off? We have staff members crying. Like, can you turn it real? Oh my god. And told me off, and I was like, What? What?

SPEAKER_06 14:22

That's crazy. That is crazy.

SPEAKER_02 14:23

I also remember being in after school care and making fake phones out of paper because me and my friends are doing a dance to smooth criminal things. And it was all about how I was like the top spy, and I was getting my spy friends to come along and dance with me.

SPEAKER_06 14:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 14:39

That is my extent of my history. But I do remember distinctly that teacher telling me off and me being like, What do you mean?

SPEAKER_06 14:45

That's a way more interesting story than my story of when he died, which is I was in the car getting driven to school, and on the news, they're like, Michael Jackson died, and I was like, Yes. And then I get to school and I find my friend and I'm like, Did you hear? And he's like, Yeah, I heard. And I'm like, Because he I had another ongoing thing that he always pretended like he knew. And a couple of times I made things up and I was like, Did you hear this? He's like, Yeah, I heard that. I'm like, mm-hmm. Cause I made that up. Yeah, so this was like a side plot that was brewing with the Michael Jackson death thrown in. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:12

Poor Michael. You didn't like that he that he was. Well, I mean, he did get a little bit scary.

SPEAKER_06 15:17

He scared the shit out of me, man. I was like fully like, I'm safe now. Yeah. I was like, I'm safe.

SPEAKER_02 15:23

Oh my word.

SPEAKER_06 15:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 15:25

I I remember going to like my my Nan's house and watching the videos on like V or V channel or MTV and watching the three ones.

SPEAKER_06 15:36

Have you seen the one of Anthony Albanese doing it?

SPEAKER_03 15:38

No.

SPEAKER_06 15:39

He's like, rage! It's great.

SPEAKER_03 15:43

Although he said Michael Jackson, and I went, Can you imagine Michael Jackson with Anthony Albanese's voice?

SPEAKER_06 15:51

Hey, hey.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

Yeah, I remember watching the music videos. I remember my mum coming into Thriller once and going, Is this it too scary for you?

SPEAKER_04 16:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 16:01

And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I am. I am up in bed at night thinking about like yellow eyes and like guys that I'm with, like turning to like cameras. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:10

Yeah, yeah, cameras that you are not aware of.

SPEAKER_02 16:13

Yes, like fleabag.

SPEAKER_06 16:15

Yeah. Oh, how that moment in the second season of Fleabag when uh the priest also like clocks that she's looking at the camera.

SPEAKER_03 16:21

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 16:22

Genuinely terrifying though. Like actually, like it's played for last, but like in that moment I was like, what the fuck? It's scary.

SPEAKER_02 16:28

You're putting fleabag also in the if the if the TV series series never never comes back. Yes. Thank god that Michael Jackson died.

SPEAKER_06 16:36

I am like Oh, yeah, because it scared the shit out of me. Can you imagine being like, can you hold my hair drink the scary parts of fleabag?

unknown 16:42

Exactly.

SPEAKER_06 16:43

Yeah. Well, when we were watching the movie and there were those moments where Jafar the the sorcerer looked like um Michael, there were like a few moments where I was like reminded of why I was scared of him as a kid, and I was like, I wasn't scared, but I was like, oh yeah. He frightened me.

SPEAKER_02 16:59

He frightened you.

SPEAKER_06 17:00

Yeah, he frightened the shit out of me.

SPEAKER_02 17:01

I I think the most frightening thing was about all of those allegations coming out about him, which hey, might be in the Michael II film.

SPEAKER_06 17:08

Can you fucking imagine? Can you imagine just the whole film about they're doing like Earth Song and then it's like Michael, we need to talk.

unknown 17:15

Yeah!

SPEAKER_02 17:16

Like, what is part two gonna be about? Oh duh What is part because it did say at the end, his story continues. So what exactly is part two? Because we ended on him going to his uh the last, well, what tour was it?

SPEAKER_06 17:30

It was like he released bad. Like the bad album came out, and then like and they only did the one song from it, bad, and then it's like it story continues.

SPEAKER_02 17:38

So we just kind of covered the first three albums. Are we covering the last three? Are we covering the marriages? Are we covering the kids? Are we covering God?

SPEAKER_06 17:46

It's like I don't even know if I want to see any of that though. Where it's like, uh, do I care? Uh honestly, just do a feature length, like, how did we make the black and white music video?

SPEAKER_02 17:56

Like, just that it's all set in like you just want to know how they mold those faces together today to do that at that time period as well.

SPEAKER_06 18:02

My friend has a good bit, Xavier, where he's like, oh, they actually hired a shapeshifter for that. Like, that's actually an X-Men. Yeah. That's Ben 10. It's like And I'm like, that's actually kind of the only explanation. That shit is flawless. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 18:15

It's like Glee did it.

unknown 18:17

Oh fuck.

SPEAKER_03 18:19

Glee did it too. Glee can do it, anyone can.

SPEAKER_06 18:22

There is nothing more terrifying than can you imagine like turning into Will Schuster, like before your very eyes? You're like looking in the mirror and you're like, it's black. And then you're Will Schuster.

SPEAKER_01 18:32

You had a nightmare about Michael Jackson. I'm having a nightmare about uh Matthew Robinson.

SPEAKER_06 18:37

Matthew Robinson to Grinch.

unknown 18:38

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 18:39

I genuinely did used to have nightmares about Michael though. I remember I had a nightmare where he was in my front yard. Yeah. And I was like behind like the fly screen door, and I was like, I could see he's in my front yard. It wasn't like much. I wasn't like a very like creative kid, but he was there and I was scared.

SPEAKER_02 18:53

Michael's looking down going, What did I even do?

SPEAKER_06 18:55

Well, we know what you did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 18:57

Those those allegations are he never got uh actually proved. Is that right?

SPEAKER_06 19:02

Don't we want to go into this online entertainment podcast?

SPEAKER_02 19:06

I mean, of course, like when you think about messy celebs, he is one of those celebrities that are just like on the list of like allegations and media and and stress and things that he did, right?

SPEAKER_06 19:18

What's more than messy? Uh like what like uh you know, like when your parents would be like, this room is a pig style. I feel like Michael's a pig sty celeb. It's not just messy, it's like a tornado blew through here. Oh, definitely. Yeah, I'd say I'd say problematic. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 19:33

Other than Michael, who is your favorite messy celebrity? Because we've got to put Michael at least a lot of people's favorite messy celebrity, right?

SPEAKER_06 19:41

Yeah, well, yeah, there's so much like this was actually the first movie in a while that I've heard people talk about in public. Like the other night we were at the tram stop and I heard people talking about like how it's like, yeah, this movie's so long, but apparently it's like got like all the songs like from this album. And I was like, genuinely, people want to be starting something. Like people, people are like really like still into the movie and it made a lot of money. Um I don't know, like, because I don't want to go in on like problematic celebs, so I will say on messy celebs.

SPEAKER_02 20:08

Messy celebs that have, you know, gone through this type of life that might actually be Britney Spears, you know. Oh, that's a good one. Yeah, Britney Spears uh is a perfect example of a messy celebrity who has so much uh rich, I guess, like life and history uh so exploited by the media to the point that she is now who she is. Yeah. Going through those troubles. Michael being another one, who else?

SPEAKER_06 20:33

Well, you've if you know what's funny is that both of those people have Glee episodes dedicated to them. They do. Yeah. We need to come up with another Madonna.

SPEAKER_03 20:40

There is an episode of Madonna.

SPEAKER_06 20:41

Yeah, and she's also quite problematic, I think.

SPEAKER_03 20:43

She is quite problematic. Yeah! What's with Glee and Problematics lips?

SPEAKER_06 20:46

Well, I think the thing with Glee is that they had access to like, because that was like a Fox show. So they had access to like whenever they did like a music on that, it'd be like Grease or West Side's story, and look into them like, oh yeah, those are Fox movies. Of course, those are the ones they're doing. You know who I think is messy, who I quite like, and I kind of wish we'd make a comeback, is Amanda Bynes. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 21:05

Oh, I love her. Hey guys, I've started wearing wigs. No, that's a really good matter. I've started wearing wigs, and then like about a week later, she goes, Hey guys, I've stopped wearing wigs, so just let's let you all know.

SPEAKER_06 21:15

Honestly, those are the kind of updates that I do want from celebrities. Yeah. Like you're actually kind of using the platform correctly. Yeah. She was only in like, I think like seven movies, and there's only one that I haven't seen. I can't remember what it is, but I've seen almost all of her movies because it's like really limited.

SPEAKER_02 21:30

The one that's like Snow White and the Seven DeWars in the Colleges, you know. Yeah, that's a great film.

SPEAKER_06 21:34

Because here's the thing I play a game on my phone called like Cine Nerdle, where the game is it's competitive and you just need to name movies at each other and you need to link them via like Castle Crew. I'm so good at it. But I was truly trying to remember the name of that movie. Is it like Stephanie White or something?

SPEAKER_03 21:48

Sydney White.

SPEAKER_06 21:49

Sydney White, thank you. Because I was trying to trap somebody because you can only link one person three times. So it's like if you get the third Amanda Bynes link and they don't know anyone else in that movie, it's like you can win. So I'm like, I was but I couldn't. Remember the name of it, but no, I've seen Sidney White. Um, I've seen uh What a Girl Wants.

SPEAKER_02 22:04

What a girl, what a girl. She's man, she's the man.

SPEAKER_06 22:08

Well, that one's like canonical. Everyone's seen that. Yeah, that's like asking if you breathe. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 22:12

Uh hairspray.

SPEAKER_06 22:14

Of course. Do you know what her last movie was?

SPEAKER_03 22:15

What was it?

SPEAKER_06 22:16

Easy A. Yeah, she's in that. Oh, she is in that. And she's quite good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:21

I love Stanley Tucci in that film.

SPEAKER_06 22:23

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:24

Doesn't everyone say like that's the epitome of like um. What you want to be as a dad, yeah. Yeah, the two parents in the. Where are you from?

SPEAKER_06 22:31

Where are you from original?

SPEAKER_03 22:33

Where are you from original? You know who I'm T T T T T T.

SPEAKER_06 22:41

I know, because she's quite good in that. And also, can I just say I have a friend who quite looks like Amanda Biden, specifically in hairspray? Like every now and then, this specific friend, like, if they have their hair in like pigtails, I'm like, you just look like uh Petty Petty Pingleton.

SPEAKER_02 22:55

You just need to draw that uh like terrible love heart tattoo, poke stick tattoo she's got in the face as well.

SPEAKER_06 23:00

We can put makeup on that. Let's get her back in the movies.

SPEAKER_02 23:02

Do you think she's make do you think that she will ever make a comeback? Because I feel like sometimes she's reached a comeback, yeah, but she hasn't touched it yet.

SPEAKER_06 23:10

Honestly, I actually like being real, probably she doesn't need that, like in her life. Like from what I've seen, I feel like she doesn't need that sort of stress. It's like um, what's her name? Like Lindsay Lohan. Lindsay Lohan coming back to movies is kind of like I'm trepidatious, where I'm like, I really hope this works out for you. Yeah, yeah, like I really truly do. And like I'd want the same for Amanda Bynes, where I'm like, I really hope this works, but I'm like, I don't know if that's what you need.

SPEAKER_02 23:33

I did think that Amanda hoped, I would say, uh, did what Lindsay Lohan has done and has kind of like gotten out of the phase but like pokes fun at herself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 23:44

Yeah, because she was in like the Mean Girls remake for like uh like one scene. Yeah, and she was in I haven't seen Freaky or Friday, but she was in it.

SPEAKER_02 23:51

Yeah, is it um maybe I'm thinking it's Hillary Duff, but doing a couple of TV shows?

SPEAKER_06 23:56

Yeah, oh well the whole thing with Hillary Duff is I think she is doing TV shows, but she wanted to do that Lucy McGuire like reboot. She wanted to bring that back, but then she will act she didn't want it to be dark and gritty or anything, but she was like, This character would be having sex at this point in her life. And I'm like, that is real. Disney's not gonna go for that.

SPEAKER_02 24:11

No, yeah, she is coming to Melbourne very soon, I'm seeing her at the end of the year.

SPEAKER_06 24:14

For what?

SPEAKER_02 24:15

Hillary Duff too, baby.

SPEAKER_06 24:17

What like just singing? Yeah. Is she gonna do the song for the Lizzie Maguire movie? Hopefully. What dreams are made of?

SPEAKER_02 24:22

I'm hoping that it starts the show and also ends the show.

SPEAKER_06 24:24

It would be the best encore of all time. Could you imagine? Yeah, and then she brings out her identical twin. Like who has like but who has like brown hair and is Italian?

SPEAKER_02 24:33

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm hoping she's bringing all it's the lucky me too or so. Okay. Lucky me, we bring both.

SPEAKER_06 24:37

Can I be real? I only really knew Hillary Duff as like an acting force. I don't really, I'm not, I don't keep up with her solo work like that.

SPEAKER_02 24:44

I was invested into the solo work because I would kind of just like dig into the Disney the Disney channel people. I might have on Disney channel.

SPEAKER_06 24:51

Did you ever watch Disney Channel like when you were growing up? Yeah. Okay, do you remember when they used to just play music videos? Yes. Yeah, so many of those are logically.

SPEAKER_02 24:57

I loved a music video channel. That's how much I got invested into Michael Jackson. Yeah. So I would just watch music videos.

SPEAKER_06 25:03

If they had Michael Jackson music videos on the Disney Channel, I probably would have known a lot more songs than I do, but also probably would have terrified a lot more children. I'm glad that they just played Miley Cyrus songs.

SPEAKER_03 25:13

You in this trope of Michael Jackson is scary!

SPEAKER_06 25:17

Like, let's be serious.

SPEAKER_02 25:18

I did look at video We did look at photos of him.

SPEAKER_06 25:21

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:21

And we were When would he get it? When would he not?

SPEAKER_06 25:25

He would get it during Thriller. He's hot in Thriller.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

He would get it during Off the Wall. He'd get it during Bad.

SPEAKER_06 25:30

I think Off the Wall I would have to say no, actually. I think he's too young. I'm woke like that.

SPEAKER_02 25:35

Yeah, fair. See, I he's getting it in bad for me.

SPEAKER_06 25:38

Uh bad, I'm like, your hair's a bit too long. I can get talked into it. Thriller is where I'm at. Yeah. And then I'm like, it stops right there.

SPEAKER_02 25:44

The other three are what is it, history and then a dangerous and then invincible.

SPEAKER_06 25:49

You know so much more about Michael than I do.

SPEAKER_02 25:51

Let me tell you, when I am hooking on to something, I'm hooking on.

SPEAKER_06 25:54

I thought you were gonna say, like, when I'm hooking up, I'm listening to Michael.

unknown 25:57

Yes.

SPEAKER_06 25:58

Listening to an Earth song. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 25:59

Hear me out, boys.

SPEAKER_06 26:00

You know what to do. Put on that free willy joint.

SPEAKER_02 26:06

When human nature came on, I was like, okay, hear me out. Human nature came on. I went, this is gonna be my first dance song at my wedding.

SPEAKER_06 26:13

Oh, that'd be nice. Yeah. Yeah. It's so fucking funny. Michael, for those who haven't seen it, it's like literally the first sound you hear is like, it's like the universal logo, and then you hear, and it's like, okay. We both started giggling because we knew that it was like also because we're seeing this, we're recording this like two weeks after the movie came out. So it's like we had a completely empty cinema, so we could be, we could laugh at that. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 26:38

I danced out the front.

SPEAKER_06 26:39

Yeah, we tried to get a video of it, but they put the lights up so late in the credits that it's like you flew, like you.

SPEAKER_03 26:44

I just like choke the lights up!

SPEAKER_06 26:45

Yeah, no one.

SPEAKER_03 26:46

I love you, thank you so much.

SPEAKER_06 26:48

Because we went to like a morning screening, so the people at the cinema, like, I guarantee, are just like like bored out of their fucking minds.

SPEAKER_02 26:54

So you guys are the only one in there, we're not.

SPEAKER_06 26:56

You please leave, we need a clean.

unknown 26:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 26:59

Yeah. We actually we have a tight turnaround on this one.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

I've said I need to go to the bathroom. I was like, can you not turn the movie on yet? I'm not ready. Yeah, yeah. Ready. Um I'm ready for Amanda Bynes to come back.

SPEAKER_06 27:10

I would like I was originally gonna say Nikki Blonsky also from Hairspray, but I'm like, no, I think she's actually problematic in like a racist way.

SPEAKER_02 27:16

She is also crazy.

SPEAKER_06 27:18

The lore of her It's like her family is like, she's like, Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:22

She also has been doing a lot of uh the cameo videos. Yes, yes. Hey guys, it's Nikki Blonsky from Hairspray. Yeah, and this whole thing, I love the deep dive of when she was in Hairspray doing all of the promo shots, and she's like gripping onto Zach Efron. She is like, he really loves me. We got together, and everyone's like, no, you can literally see his face like he puts it.

SPEAKER_06 27:45

Zach Efron's like looking off, thinking about like the script for high school musical three senior year.

unknown 27:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 27:50

And they never talk anymore, but she is like gripping onto that. She's probably one of my I think fave Messi celebs at the moment.

SPEAKER_06 27:56

But like I feel like I read something that she's like genuinely like racist in a violent way, like a man was attacked or something.

SPEAKER_02 28:01

So I'm like, so I'm like, yeah, that's why I was like I like I like Messi as in Amanda Bynes. Amanda Bines. But I I will have to say that I think being a YouTube kid, oh no, I'm such a YouTube kid, and I growing up, I was so invested into like the lore of YouTubers. Like it is crazy how to get it.

SPEAKER_05 28:21

So worried about who you're gonna say.

SPEAKER_02 28:23

So what I find myself in, and I'm more than happy to expose myself because exposure therapy gets better about moving on with your issues, is that I have enjoyed beauty YouTubers.

SPEAKER_06 28:33

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:34

And I have really Who did you think I was gonna say?

SPEAKER_06 28:36

I really relax. I thought you were gonna be like um Ray William Johnson or something like that. Yeah, no. Or like, oh, I'm a PewDiePie. I was like, No. This could go so many ways. I was so worried.

SPEAKER_02 28:48

PewDiePie, PewDiePie, I I will admit I am venturing into his like family lifestyle videos where he's living in Japan with his kids. Yeah, I don't know. It's all super eclectic, and I'm like, rockin'. Uh I don't know, like aesthetic filming purposes, that's why I think I watch it. It's like why I watch like Casey Neistat.

SPEAKER_06 29:06

You were gonna say Casey Neistat. I feel like he's also problematic. I've heard things about him.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

Yeah, I think that he has had ups and downs with a few people, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:13

He was a huge inspiration for my brother, like with all of his vlogs. I remember he like showed me one where it's like I got a new pair of sunglasses and then I spray painted them and scratched the paint off, and I'm like, okay, so you're an arsehole. Like, all right.

SPEAKER_02 29:25

Yes, yes. He is a bit like middle finger to the world.

SPEAKER_06 29:27

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 29:28

And I I also eat it up because he does a lot of videos where I'm like, oh, I just love that cinematography and ideas. I think the same for PewDiePie. I could go on. Okay. I could go on about it. Honestly, every type of YouTuber now just makes like these aesthetically pleasing vlogs that I just like.

SPEAKER_06 29:41

Yeah, I'm like, everyone got access to really good cameras and editing equipment and Emma Chamberlain, another one. The actor?

SPEAKER_02 29:48

Uh she is a model. Oh. Emma Chamberlain, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 29:51

Fill me on on Emma Chamberlain.

SPEAKER_02 29:52

She is a fashion girly who just kind of grew up around uh, well, I guess YouTube kind of culture and has now become like a full model, works with Vogue. And she makes some Unreal vlogs as well. She's got this gorgeous home. She was actually a part of one of my messy celebs that I watch. James Charles.

SPEAKER_06 30:10

Oh, you uh you're a sister?

SPEAKER_02 30:13

I'm not a I'm not a sister, but you know, when I'm eating my dinner, I do want to see dollar makeup up against $1,000 makeup.

SPEAKER_06 30:21

Okay. I'll watch it then. See, the thing about James Charles is like when that whole thing went down, I'd never heard of any of these people, but it was so seismic that it like reached me, and I was like, well, I need to get invested in this to a degree.

SPEAKER_02 30:34

I was so invested into him, uh, Jeffree Starr, another screen.

SPEAKER_05 30:38

I I've known people who are Jeffree Star people, yes.

SPEAKER_02 30:41

But once again, you know, I guess it brings it back to this thing. Can you separate the person to their product? Once again, with Michael, can you separate the man to the music? Like, can you do that? For me, with Jeffree Star, it's like the makeup is like so good. The makeup he creates is so good. And then it's like, can you separate his problematic stuff? But I also love how real he is because if a product is shit, he's telling you about it. So I am watching products that hate me. Yes, click, great. Jeffrey, tell me what product people hate you.

SPEAKER_06 31:09

I'm watching Epic Rap Battles of History.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

I'm watching Epic Rap Battles of History!

SPEAKER_06 31:13

Unproblematic folks.

SPEAKER_01 31:15

Yes, I'm watching all of the hot ones.

SPEAKER_06 31:17

I'm watching all of the I had a okay, I've had an idea for like a decade where I'm like, if you got the rights to put the epic rap battles of history like songs onto like vinyl singles, where it's like you like you release, it's like each one, it's like it's a seven-inch, you get two of them. So it's like one side, like like one side of the cover is like the thumbnail of one of them, and then you get another one. I'm like, that would actually sell gangbusters, especially if you combine some of the higher like epic rap battles. Sorry, I'm hearing about favorites. Well, Steve Jobs versus Bill Gates is kind of like undeniable. You know what I really shoot for is the Thomas Jefferson versus um Frederick Douglass. That's a fun one. Um but like if you just pair these up with like some of the lower ones, then it's like, well, you're gonna move the product. If you just put like some of the like lower tier epic rap battles together, no one's going in for that.

SPEAKER_02 32:04

No one's going in for that. Yeah. YouTube stars have always had this kind of messy surrounding thing around, well, like I guess culture around them because I feel like they are like people wanting to be celebrities so bad they'll do anything for it. Yeah. And so they are making content that is so like mind-boggling or like, how did you do that? Like, I'm thinking of like the Jake Paul's. Or Mr. Beasts. Mr. Beasts. I'm thinking of those people. And because it's so ingrained into, I guess, like Gen Z culture now to watch so much internet video like myself. Uh people these days might not even realize that it's been going on for a while. You know, people go like all this crazy stuff. It's like, yeah, but these people used to do that. You guys person used to do that.

SPEAKER_06 32:47

You guys don't even remember when it used to be Katy Perry Vivo. Yeah. Instead of just Katie Perry. You guys don't remember that.

SPEAKER_02 32:52

You guys don't remember that. You guys don't remember the crazy stuff that happened with Michael or with Britney or with We say that like we weren't nine when Michael died.

SPEAKER_06 33:01

Like what?

SPEAKER_02 33:02

Well, if you ask a kid who's nine now, they got no idea who that person is.

SPEAKER_06 33:05

Oh wait, they're probably living a better nine-year-old life than I was. I was so weighed down with the fear.

SPEAKER_03 33:12

So weighed down with the fear.

SPEAKER_06 33:13

Yeah, I was like, I was a nervous kid as well, in the sense that I always thought that like there was gonna be like a volcano, like a super volcano was gonna go off at any moment, and we'd be surrounded by lava, or there'd be like a giant wave or something that would just crash upon us at any given moment. I was like always worried about that. So like Michael was just another natural disaster that I was like scared of. Human nature, human nature.

SPEAKER_00 33:35

I love human nature, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 33:37

Human natural disaster.

SPEAKER_00 33:38

Human natural disaster.

SPEAKER_06 33:39

That should be the next one, Michael's human natural disaster. Yeah. Yeah, Michael's with the dollar sign. Yeah, at the end.

SPEAKER_01 33:48

Money, money, money, buddy.

SPEAKER_06 33:49

It made so much fucking money. Did it? Yeah, well, okay, so we're recording this when Devil Wears Prada 2 just came out. So that's gonna take like all the screens. That one people think is also gonna make a lot of money. Yes. Don't know yet. Um, but Michael made a lot. It's probably really front-loaded. It might fall off. It might not. It might get like a Bohemian Rhapsody or Star is born like like long legs, people go and see it and like sing along. I think in America it's really popping off. Of course. Yeah. Do you know okay? This is so off topic. You know the movie Twisters? Yes, I saw that in the cinema. I saw that in the cinema too. Good movie. Did you know that that did terribly everywhere except America? America, it did gangbusters everywhere else. No one really saw it.

SPEAKER_02 34:28

I mean, it gave that like yay hello! Exactly. Exactly, exactly. I was watching it being like, well, I'm from the country and I saw it in the country too.

SPEAKER_06 34:37

So you saw it projected on a cow or something in my friend's paddock.

SPEAKER_02 34:42

Uh and so I'm looking and it was set the scene because I'm looking around going, this is gonna happen to us. The other day I saw a tornado in one of the uh like a wind turbine. Well, no, what happens when the wind picks up? It wasn't really a twister, but like the wind did a big swirly whirly.

SPEAKER_06 34:55

Yeah, I I think swirly whirly would be the best term for it. I remember when okay.

SPEAKER_03 34:59

And I was like, I've seen the movie already.

SPEAKER_06 35:02

The first big word that I learned was meteorologist, because we're like swirly whirly.

SPEAKER_03 35:07

Oh no.

SPEAKER_06 35:07

Because when I was a kid, we went to like a family friends party and I would have been like four or something, and the movie Twister was on TV, like the original, and I was like enamored with it, and I wanted to be a storm chaser card.

SPEAKER_02 35:17

Wait, was that Twister and then Twisters, just like Michael and Michaels?

SPEAKER_06 35:20

Yes, but also I was thinking of alien and aliens. I forgot about Twister and Twisters. Yeah. Um, but it like sparked something in me where I'm like, I want to be a storm chaser. What's the word for that? And I asked my parents, and they're like, Oh, I guess a meteorologist, and I'm like, I learned that. And then when people would ask what I want to be, I'd be like, meteorologist. And that makes me sound so much smarter than I want to be in a car chasing after a tornado.

SPEAKER_02 35:40

I was so silly when I was younger. I remember someone telling me I should be a meteorologist. Oh, yeah. Because I really liked the idea of presenting and like doing stuff, and they were like, Oh, like maybe you can present the weather.

SPEAKER_06 35:52

We should be meteorologists. We should be.

SPEAKER_02 35:54

Except I was confused as a young girl, and I thought they meant meant media. No, I thought like media is in like entertainment. So I would go around saying I want to be a meteorologist and I just want to learn about media and do media. Like a like like a host and a journalist, I'm a meteorologist. And someone, and I would go, yeah, like I'm gonna like present on the TV and do radio and I'm gonna like paint and I'm gonna do all this, and they're like paint about the weather.

SPEAKER_06 36:18

Yeah. When you get to paint, then you're like, huh, wait.

SPEAKER_02 36:21

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And I went around to so many people saying that.

SPEAKER_06 36:24

That's crazy that we both have meteorologists things like that. That's great.

SPEAKER_02 36:27

How old were you? Uh I was in primary school. I'm gonna put my I remember a teacher going, what?

SPEAKER_06 36:32

I'm gonna put my teacher hat on for a moment and say that's really smart, actually. That you heard that word and you made the connection to media. That's really smart. It's not correct, but it's smart.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Thank you.

SPEAKER_06 36:41

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:42

Thank you. To this day, I want to be Jane Bunn. Can you imagine? Yeah, I can't actually, yeah. Just over here, well, cold. Yeah. Just over here.

SPEAKER_06 36:51

Not so cold.

SPEAKER_02 36:52

Not so cold. Light jacket over here, hot. Over here, pointing at myself, hot.

SPEAKER_06 36:58

What if have you seen those memes where it's like throw your hair into a messy bun and get it done or something like that? Where it's like when you're having one of those days, you gotta throw your hair into a messy bun and get it done. Yeah, it's like throw your hair into a Jane bun.

SPEAKER_02 37:09

Throw your hair into a Michael Jackson ponytail.

SPEAKER_06 37:12

Throw your hand to a Michael Jackson Pepsi commercial.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

No, you wouldn't. No, you wouldn't.

SPEAKER_06 37:17

He was making the noises that Jafar made in that scene were a little funny.

SPEAKER_02 37:22

I I I did that thing where I'm sitting in the movie and I'm like, do I look at him? No, I don't want to know if he's laughing because I'm kind of like upset and I don't want to pull out of the upsetness because I want to feel something here. But I did do the quick like side eye and I'm like, yeah, he's smiling.

SPEAKER_06 37:34

Yeah, yeah, I just thought I kind of wanted to record it. I was like, this is kind of funny. I don't know, because like again, I think we're both very good theater goers. Because even when we had the theater to ourselves, after like two minutes, we were like dead silent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:46

Because I did say on the tram, I said, Did you think I was gonna sing?

SPEAKER_06 37:49

I did. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

Were you were you like, oh fucking, here we go.

SPEAKER_06 37:52

When when it was like an empty cinema, I was like, now she has license to do this if she wants.

SPEAKER_02 37:56

You said to me, Do you want me to film you when he does the moon walk so I can get up? But I was like, no, I was locked in.

SPEAKER_06 38:01

Yeah, and that was a good scene, too. Yeah, what's a good scene? Because here's the thing with nuance about the Michael movie, the parts that I did like were that the songs were played loud. And I was like, listen, if if nothing else, I like Billie Jean. So sue me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 38:16

Billy Jean is the one for you. What is your favourite Michael song?

SPEAKER_06 38:18

That's a great question. I think Thriller.

SPEAKER_02 38:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 38:20

I love Thriller. I like scary things. Thriller's like really formative for me. Um, do you have a favorite?

SPEAKER_02 38:26

Right now, because I feel like it does circulate, and I have said this off the pot a lot. Blood on the dance floor.

SPEAKER_06 38:32

Yes, you can say.

SPEAKER_02 38:32

Oh my god! Like it's an underground Michael. Something about underground Michael that people don't just know about. Like, it's like spinning the off-the-wall record that I've got, and I'm singing along to the songs that are like one, seven, and ten.

SPEAKER_06 38:47

Yeah, compared to all the others. In the movie when they had off the wall, they only played Don't Stop Two You Get Enough. A lot. And yeah, a lot. You know what they played a lot was um They didn't play Off the Wall. When you live in the Wall, they had some weird choices with this because then they also played some like early like Jackson 5 songs, like well when he's into like making thriller. Like they played Ben at one point, and I'm like, but he made Ben like 20 years ago.

SPEAKER_02 39:12

Isn't Ben about a mouse? Uh the rat that he was lying on the bed with.

SPEAKER_06 39:16

I thought it was from a movie, so I I could be dead wrong in this. I thought there was a movie that Ben was a song for that was about a mouse that was like friends with a kid.

SPEAKER_02 39:24

See, I thought that he wrote that song about his pet, and then it made a lot of sense that he had so many pets and that he wouldn't sing about uh, I guess, like a friend or anything like that, because he could only talk about pets because that's all he had. And then when he got older, I was I was wondering that when he got older, he started singing a lot about girls, and I'm like, when did that happen? Is that what we're gonna say in part two?

SPEAKER_06 39:44

Like he doth protest too much. He's like, no, I really like girls.

SPEAKER_02 39:48

Yeah, like he is sang some hot songs that I'm like, that's a bad woman, girl.

SPEAKER_06 39:53

As like you mentioned with underground Michael songs, I do genuinely really love the song that he did for Free Willy, which is Will You Be There. I'm like, that's actually genuinely like that's really swiped on. I'm serious, yeah. Like, and then he did what are some other songs of his that I like? I do enjoy um Earth's song quite a bit. Yeah, although do you ever see Adam's Family Values?

SPEAKER_02 40:16

Um, probably ages ago.

SPEAKER_06 40:17

Okay, there's one scene in that where they go, like, there's like a summer camp that they're part of, and like one of the kids at the summer camp who's played by David Crumholtz, who's from the Santa Claus. Anyway, um, he is like gets sent to this like bad behavior like cabin. It's like where you go to like think about what you've done, and there's like a poster of Michael Jackson with this like a heal the world poster, like from around that period. So it's like the world with like a band-aid on it, and it's got Michael, and the character in the movie is scared of him, and he like starts screaming. And I remember seeing that and feeling very validated. But also, that's what I do associate with Earth Song. So that's how it came up. Sorry. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 40:52

Uh other songs, I mean, I love the ones that do find themselves in like bits of movies where I'm like, Michael, yeah, what are you doing here? Like Man in the Mirror, used in so many Lego Batman 2.

SPEAKER_06 41:04

Lego Batman movie, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 41:06

Lego Batman movie.

SPEAKER_06 41:07

Yeah. You know what I love? Um, have you seen Back to the Future 2?

SPEAKER_03 41:11

Probably, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 41:12

There's a great bit. It's like actually might might be the only movie I know that's used Beat It. Because Beat It is like really popular, and so it probably costs so much fucking money. But there's a scene in that where they're in 2015 and they go to like a retro cafe that's meant to be in the 80s, like cafe 80s, and they're playing Beat It in that. And there's a specific shot where like the bad guy Biff stands up and he's way taller than you'd think he'd be, and it's like from over the shoulder of him, and like Beat It is playing in the background. And every time I listen to Beat It, I'm just thinking about how tall Biff is. You just keep gallowing it going. Yeah, it's like like even Michael J. Fox like peeking over, like, he's really big. Beat it, beat it, beat it, and like Ronald Reagan's there, you should watch Back to the Future 2. It's pretty fun.

SPEAKER_02 41:50

I will. Yeah. Another trope of Michael music that I've enjoyed is this is super, super niche. And please, if anyone has listened to this album, please text me because I can't be the only one that has deep dive this far. But on Spotify and probably other streaming platforms, you can find the Circus to La Circus Dole.

SPEAKER_06 42:09

Oh, Cirque du Soleil.

SPEAKER_02 42:10

Circus Dole. Yeah. Immortal tour Michael Jackson. They did a tour of Michael Jackson songs to Circus stuff.

SPEAKER_06 42:18

Is it just from that album or is it like a bunch of other Michael tracks?

SPEAKER_02 42:21

A bunch of other Michael tracks. They pushed them together. Yeah. The Immortal album, they have done unreal like remixes to it. Yeah. Listen to that album because the songs are just like epic.

SPEAKER_06 42:33

Can I give you a bit of context for that? I think that would have come after Cirque du Soleil uh Cirque du Soleil. Circle Soleil. Uh did a Beatles version of that called The Beatles Love. And that had George Martin and his son Giles Martin, who were like George Martin was like the producer for the Beatles, and now Giles Martin is like doing the production of the songs on the upcoming biopics. Um, they did remixes of like all the Beatles like back catalogue, like blending all these songs together for Circle Soleil. So I feel like the Michael thing would have come off the heels of that. Yeah. That's really interesting. I didn't realize there was a Michael one of that. Because I love Beatles Love, it's amazing.

SPEAKER_02 43:09

If you go through the disography of well, yes, maybe the Beatles would be on Spotify, but also Michael, find the immortal, it's it's the blue cover with Michael on it. Yeah. Listen to that thing, start to finish.

SPEAKER_03 43:19

I think I will.

SPEAKER_02 43:20

And they had a beautiful storyline about this boy going through life. And so when you're listening to the music, you can kind of see how they have like structured the songs to be like the boy waking up, going through his day, going through like a scary patch. That's cool. Going through. Yeah, I'm gonna play it in the car for you later. We should do that.

SPEAKER_06 43:37

Yeah, see, with the Beatles Love, I don't know if there's much of a story because I I haven't seen it because it was like around like 2006 that they did it, and I don't think they really recorded it or did like a pro shot. But it's like when you listen to it, it really is like, I guess vaguely from like early Beatles to Late Beatles, but like they do still like throw in like a 1969 track around the 1963 era now and then. It's uh you should listen to that as well.

SPEAKER_02 44:00

Well, maybe that's our suggestions.

SPEAKER_06 44:02

That's our suggestions, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

For uh the oh so glad you asked music portion of it all. I would say Immortal. I would say looking into the Beatles one for yourself. Uh well what movie would you like to be?

SPEAKER_06 44:12

Yeah, what movies what movies would you recommend?

SPEAKER_02 44:14

Um, I would recommend going to see This Is It, the uh Whoa! This is it, the Michael Doko that my Nan and I saw in the cinemas uh just after he passed.

SPEAKER_06 44:25

That was a big deal. I remember that was a huge deal. Because this is it. I remember that track as well, and I don't hate that song. I think that's pretty good.

SPEAKER_02 44:32

Good song.

SPEAKER_06 44:33

Yes.

SPEAKER_02 44:33

Good song. So I would go watch that, and then of course I would go see the Michael film. Okay, well I I would say watch both because I I love the context and I love the the more depth I've got about Michael that I could kind of like pick together what I saw from the film to what I already know. Yeah. But I think that's why they gave a lot of context to the film. Because like if you know nothing, if you're not like this is really like who's Michael, this movie's for you. Yes, yes, when we know we're friends. Well, you're not friends with him, I'm friends with you.

SPEAKER_06 45:01

He's like the most famous person who ever lived. It's like, who is this for? Everyone knows who Michael Jackson is. The nine-year-olds have no idea. I will say I sadly will not recommend Michael. I did not, I don't think I liked it as much as you did, and that's fine. Yeah. I don't know what I would recommend though.

SPEAKER_02 45:14

Like I recommend this is it too.

SPEAKER_06 45:17

This is it too?

SPEAKER_03 45:19

This is it too.

SPEAKER_06 45:20

Wait this time for seriously, it's it. Yeah. Um, I don't know what I recommend. Back to the Future too. Watch the scene in the Cafe 80s with Beater. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 45:28

With Biff.

SPEAKER_06 45:29

He's so big. There's like a there's like a rubber stretching sound as he gets taller. It's like he's like, Oh, it's so fucking cool.

SPEAKER_02 45:37

Alright, well, Michael being one of those messy celebrities that we love alongside Britney Spears alongside Amanda Bynes alongside.

SPEAKER_04 45:44

Do you have anyone else?

SPEAKER_02 45:45

Uh, just my YouTubers, you know. I'm getting that I'm getting that lore. I just I like it because it's like it's why people watch MAFs. They just love the drama of it, and I love it too.

SPEAKER_06 45:56

MAFs is, if nothing else, compelling. It's a resting television.

SPEAKER_02 46:00

We should put a pin in that and come back to MAFs.

SPEAKER_06 46:02

Just reality TV. Let's talk about reality TV because actually, yeah, there would be a lot there.

SPEAKER_02 46:06

Alright, well, you never know. Now you know the future that there will be a reality TV episode.

SPEAKER_06 46:10

I'm so glad you asked about reality TV.

SPEAKER_02 46:14

And I'm so glad we saw the Michael movie.

SPEAKER_06 46:16

I'm so glad you asked me to go on this excursion to go see Michael.

SPEAKER_03 46:20

I mean, I loved it at Alido, it was lovely.

SPEAKER_06 46:21

The Lido, we we loved Alido. I got married at Alido. I will say I used Alito like comp because I was meant to go see the drama like a month ago, and I had to cancel, so I got a comp. So I used that C Michael, so I didn't spend any money for it, and that makes me feel morally good.

SPEAKER_02 46:35

Once again, Lido, just giving you a shout out. Why doesn't Tom get free movies for life he got married there? I'm so glad I asked.

SPEAKER_06 46:43

I I am gonna be also I'm doing a birthday at the Lido where we're gonna be watching the Steven Spielberg Westside story, and Kayla has offered to do a QA with me because I'm gonna be talking beforehand.

SPEAKER_02 46:53

How good is that gonna be?

SPEAKER_06 46:54

I think it'd be fun. I think it'd be fun, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 46:56

All right, let's finish it up. I'm so glad you asked. We'll leave that at cliffhanger because now I want to talk about birthday plans.

SPEAKER_06 47:02

Yeah, and I want to talk about Westside's story. I want to talk about it like Steven Spielberg. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 47:06

Well, see you on another episode of. I'm so glad you asked.

SPEAKER_06 47:09

So glad you this is fun.

SPEAKER_02 47:10

This is fun. Bye.