Be Your Own Bank: The Cash Value Most People Never Touch

Some life insurance quietly builds a pool of money you can borrow against, tax-advantaged, for anything you want. Here is how cash value actually works, and the honest truth about whether it is worth it. Part two of More Than a Death Benefit.

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SPEAKER_00 0:01

Welcome to the American Retirement Advisor, coming to you from One to Three Z Studios. Real stories, real strategies, and straight talk about healthcare, retirement income, and inheritance planning. I'm Ian Schaefer, joined with Eddie and Betty. Let's get into it.

SPEAKER_05 0:16

Welcome back to the American Retirement Advisor. I'm Betty here with Eddie, and today we're picking up part two of a little series we've been doing called More Than a Death Benefit. Last time we asked the honest question of whether you even need life insurance once you're retired. And today we get into the part of all this that, I'll be honest, sounds almost too good to be true.

SPEAKER_01 0:39

It really does. This is the one where people start calling their life insurance their own private bank.

SPEAKER_05 0:45

Their own bank. And the second you hear something like that, a little voice goes, okay, what's the catch?

SPEAKER_01 0:51

Right, and we should. So that's the whole goal today. There's a piece Ian Schaefer wrote on this, and what I love about it is he doesn't just sell the dream. He walks through what's real, what's hype, and whether it actually makes sense for you. We're gonna do the same.

SPEAKER_05 1:05

Good, because I want the version where we explain it to each other at the kitchen table, not the version somebody's pitching at a steak dinner.

SPEAKER_01 1:12

Aaron Ross Powell That's the only version worth having.

SPEAKER_05 1:15

So let's start at the very bottom. When people say cash value life insurance, what are we even talking about? Because I think a lot of folks hear cash value and their eyes kind of glaze over.

SPEAKER_01 1:27

Sure. So think of it this way: there's a savings piece that lives inside certain kinds of life insurance, the permanent kind, like whole life. A permanent policy has two parts working at the same time. There's the death benefit, the money that pays out when you pass away, and then there's this second thing, a cash value account that grows over the years as you pay your premiums.

SPEAKER_09 1:49

So it's not just money sitting there waiting for me to die. Some of it is alive while I'm alive.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

That's exactly it. And that's the whole heart of it. That growing cash value belongs to you while you're alive. And in Ian's words, it's what turns a permanent policy into a living asset instead of just a death benefit.

SPEAKER_06 2:08

Now, is this the same as the term insurance a lot of our listeners probably already have or had at some point?

SPEAKER_01 2:14

No, and this is an important line to draw. Term insurance is pure coverage for a set number of years. It does its job, it's usually low cost, but it does not build any cash value. There's no savings bucket inside it. So when we talk about being your own bank today, we are only talking about permanent coverage. Term and permanent are not the same product, and anyone who blurs that line is doing you a disservice.

SPEAKER_10 2:40

That's a good thing to underline, because I think people lump all life insurance into one mental category.

SPEAKER_01 2:47

They do. Term is the temporary low-cost income replacement for the years your family really depends on your paycheck. The cash value story we're telling today only happens inside permanent coverage that's built to last your whole life.

SPEAKER_05 3:02

Okay, so I've got this growing pile of cash value inside a permanent policy. How does the bank part actually happen? Because that's the phrase that gets people leaning in.

SPEAKER_01 3:13

Here's the part that genuinely surprises people. Once your policy has real cash value built up, you can take a loan against it. And you don't have to apply, you don't have to qualify, you don't have to explain what it's for. Wait, no application? No credit check, no bank manager deciding whether you're worthy of the money, because it's your money. You're borrowing against your own account on your own terms.

SPEAKER_05 3:40

See, that's the part that hits home for our age group, because a lot of folks who are 65, 70, they go to a bank and suddenly they feel like they're being judged. No steady paycheck anymore, and the bank treats them like a question mark.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

That's such a real thing. People who paid off houses and raised families get made to feel small at a loan desk. And this flips that. You become the source you borrow from.

SPEAKER_05 4:06

Now, here's where my brain goes. If I pull money out to borrow it, doesn't that pile stop growing? Like emptying out a savings account?

SPEAKER_01 4:15

Great question. And that's the second piece that makes people call it a bank. With many policies, the full cash value can keep earning growth even while you've got a loan out against it.

SPEAKER_13 4:27

How does that work? That almost sounds like having your cake and eating it too.

SPEAKER_01 4:31

It's because you're borrowing against the account, not emptying it out. The money stays in there doing its thing, and you've taken a loan that's secured by it. So you've got money you control that you can reach without anyone's permission, and it keeps working while you use it. Put those three things together and you can see why people describe a well-funded policy as their own bank.

SPEAKER_13 4:52

I want to be careful though, because you said many policies, not all. I don't want anybody hearing this and assuming theirs does that automatically.

SPEAKER_01 5:00

That's a really fair flag. The exact way a loan and the growth interact can vary. And honestly, the specifics there are a question for one of our advisors. I wouldn't assume my policy behaves a certain way just because I heard it on a podcast. I'd write it down and ask the team to read my actual policy.

SPEAKER_04 5:18

Good. Now there's a tax angle to all this too, and I know that's the part that really makes certain people perk up.

SPEAKER_01 5:25

It is, and Ian calls it the quiet reason this appeals to higher earners. Two things. The cash value grows without you owing tax on that growth each year while it stays inside the policy. And when you access it through a properly structured loan, that money generally does not count as taxable income to you.

SPEAKER_05 5:44

Now, explain why that matters so much, because I think people hear tax-free and just nod, but the real reason is bigger than that.

SPEAKER_01 5:52

It's bigger than just saving a little tax. So much of what you pay in retirement is tied to your taxable income, how much of your Social Security gets taxed, even what you pay from Medicare. A lot of those numbers key off your income for the year.

SPEAKER_05 6:07

So if I can pull money from a source that doesn't add to that income number, then you've got a lever.

SPEAKER_01 6:13

You've got cash you can use that doesn't push you up or bump up what you pay for Medicare. In a world where everything seems connected to that one income figure, having a source that sits outside it is genuinely useful.

SPEAKER_08 6:27

Okay, but you said it earlier, and I'm gonna hold you to it. The honest version. Because tax-free anything always has fine print.

SPEAKER_01 6:36

Aaron Powell It does. And this is where people get burned, so we have to say it plainly. That tax-free access depends entirely on the policy being structured right, funded right, and staying in force. If a policy lapses or gets surrendered while there's a loan outstanding, that borrowed money can suddenly become taxable, and sometimes at the worst possible moment.

SPEAKER_05 6:59

Oh, that's the nightmare scenario. You let it slip, and the very thing that was supposed to be tax-free turns around and bites you.

SPEAKER_01 7:08

And there's one more. If a policy gets overfunded past certain limits, it can lose that favorable loan treatment altogether. Now, the exact dollar limits and rules on that, I'm not going to rattle off numbers I'd be guessing at. That's precisely the kind of thing our team at American Retirement Advisors knows cold, and I'd want them looking at the real policy.

SPEAKER_05 7:27

And to be clear, you're not saying run away from this.

SPEAKER_01 7:30

Not at all. None of that is a reason to avoid the strategy. It's a reason to never run it on autopilot or off the back of a slick sales pitch. The mechanics matter, and somebody has to actually watch them over the years.

SPEAKER_05 7:42

Which leads to the big one. The question I think everybody's really been waiting for: is whole life insurance a good investment for retirement?

SPEAKER_01 7:50

And the honest answer, which Ian says right out loud, is that it's the wrong question. Ooh, that's a bold thing to say. It is, but it's the truth. This stuff is not designed to beat the stock market. If you line it up head to head with investing purely for growth, the market will usually win on raw return. So if your only goal is the biggest possible number, this is not your tool. Full stop.

SPEAKER_07 8:14

Okay, so then what is it good at? Because clearly it offers something, or we wouldn't be talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 8:20

It offers a different set of qualities, the market just doesn't. Stability that doesn't swing every time there's a scary headline, money you can reach without permission, the favorable tax treatment we talked about, and a death benefit wrapped around the whole thing.

SPEAKER_05 8:35

So it's not really an investment in the way people picture investments.

SPEAKER_01 8:41

Think of it less as an investment and more as a stable, tax-advantaged pool of money with a death benefit attached. For the right person, that's a valuable piece of a plan. But not the whole plan. Aaron Powell Never the whole plan. As a replacement for investing, it falls short, and anybody selling it as your one and only growth engine is overselling it.

SPEAKER_05 9:01

That distinction matters so much because I've heard the pitch. Somebody makes it sound like you'd be a fool to invest any other way.

SPEAKER_01 9:08

Aaron Ross Powell And that's the red flag. The honest pitch is this is one stable tax-friendly piece with a death benefit alongside your investments, not instead of them.

SPEAKER_05 9:19

All right, let's stay in honest mode, because Ian doesn't shy away from the downsides, and neither should we. What's the real catch here?

SPEAKER_01 9:27

A few things, and they're real. First, cash value builds slowly. Especially in the early years, a big chunk of your premium is going to the cost of the insurance itself. So this is a long game, not a quick win. You don't fund it for two years and start treating it like an ATM.

SPEAKER_05 9:44

So patience is part of the price.

SPEAKER_01 9:46

Patience is the price. Second, it costs considerably more than term insurance for the same death benefit. You're paying for that living asset feature. And third, this be your own bank idea gets marketed really aggressively, sometimes under names like infinite banking, with promises that run well past what the math actually delivers.

SPEAKER_05 10:08

I have seen that. The seminars, the slick websites. It starts sounding like a money machine that never runs out.

SPEAKER_01 10:15

And that's where people get hurt. The tool is legitimate, the hype around it often isn't. Those are two different things, and you have to be able to separate them.

SPEAKER_05 10:25

So then who is this genuinely for? Because clearly it's not everybody.

SPEAKER_01 10:29

Ian lays out a pretty clear picture. Generally, it's someone who's already filled up their other tax-advantaged accounts, someone who's got a long enough time horizon for the cash value to actually mature, someone who values stability and tax-free access more than chasing the highest return. And maybe most important, someone who will actually keep the policy funded for the long haul. That last one feels like the make or break. It is, because this whole thing only works if you commit to it for the long run. If you're going to fund it for a few years and then let it slide, this is not the tool for you.

SPEAKER_02 11:06

And I love that the article basically gives people permission to say, it's not for me.

SPEAKER_01 11:11

It does. Ian says it plainly. If that's not you, there's no shame in saying so. But if it is you, this can be one of the most flexible tools in your whole plan.

SPEAKER_05 11:21

Now, I want to circle back to one thing because I know some of our listeners are sitting there thinking, could I actually use this for income once I'm retired?

SPEAKER_01 11:31

You can, and that's a great place to land. The cash value built inside a permanent policy can be tapped in retirement, often through those tax-advantaged loans, as a supplemental income source. When the policy's properly structured and in force, that income generally doesn't add to your taxable income for the year.

SPEAKER_03 11:50

Which ties right back to the Medicare and Social Security point you made earlier.

SPEAKER_01 11:54

Exactly the same lever. But, and this is the big but, this works best when the policy was started years earlier and built specifically for that purpose. You can't decide at 68 that you'd like this and have it ready next year. It's a conversation to have with a professional well before you ever lean on it.

SPEAKER_11 12:11

So the time to plant the tree was a while ago, but the next best time is to sit down and find out where you actually stand.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

That's a perfect way to put it. And here's the line from the article that really stuck with me. The difference between a policy that quietly does its job for 30 years and one that quietly falls apart is almost entirely in how it was built and how it was maintained.

SPEAKER_03 12:33

Quietly is the scary word there, because nobody sends you an alarm when it's drifting off course.

SPEAKER_01 12:39

No alarm bells. It just slowly stops working the way you thought it would, and you might not notice until you need it. That's why this isn't a set it and forget it thing. Whether you're thinking about a policy or you already own one, somebody needs to give it a clear-eyed read now and then.

SPEAKER_05 12:56

So let's bring it home. If somebody's listening and thinking, I have one of these, or my brother-in-law keeps telling me to get one, what's the move?

SPEAKER_01 13:05

The move is to get real eyes on it. Ian points out this is exactly the kind of thing our team looks at in a planning meeting, drawing on the decades of insurance expertise our principal advisor brings, whether you're considering a policy or you already own one and want an honest read on it.

SPEAKER_05 13:21

And that's really the whole spirit of this episode. The be your own bank idea is real. It's not magic, and it's not a fit for everyone, and that's okay. The smartest thing you can do is not chase the pitch, it's sit down with someone who will tell you the honest version for your life. If you want to find out whether this tool has a real place in your plan, you can reach our team at American Retirement Advisors at 602-281-3898.

SPEAKER_01 13:48

And next time in More Than a Death Benefit, we get into maybe my favorite one, the policy that helps you while you're still alive when life insurance becomes long-term care coverage.

SPEAKER_12 13:59

That's a good one. So bring a fresh cup of coffee for that. Until then, take care of each other, and we'll see you next time on the American Retirement Advisor.

SPEAKER_01 14:08

A quick note before we wrap up. Today's episode covers financial topics for educational purposes only. American Retirement Advisors does not provide tax or legal advice. Please consult a CPA or tax professional before making any decisions based on what you heard today.

SPEAKER_05 14:26

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SPEAKER_00 15:00

Thanks, Eddie. Thanks, Betty. Until next time, this is Ian Schaefer coming to you from 123 Studios. I hope you've enjoyed this recording of the American Retirement Advisor, where we make healthcare, income, and inherence planning 223 easy.