E31: Healing with Dr. Jaban Moore

Dr. Jaban Moore is a Lyme Warrior and Doctor of Chiropractic. Dr. Moore has now been symptom-free for over 5 years and has made it his mission to help others find the root causes of their conditions. When he first sits down with a Lyme patient, he just listens. Because if you can give a Lyme person 20 minutes to just talk, he believes that you are going to get a great amount of information is going to lead you in a direction. Tune in to listen to Dr. Moore's detoxing, fasting, and supplement tips for Lyme Warriors.

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Transcript

 Mimi MacLean:
Welcome to the Heal Podcast, for all things related to Lyme disease and other chronic illnesses. I'm Mimi MacLean, mom of five, founder of Lyme360, and a Lyme warrior. Tune in each week to hear from doctors, health practitioners, and experts. To hear about their treatments, struggles and triumphs, to help you on your healing journey. I'm here to heal with you.

Mimi MacLean:
Welcome back to The Heal Podcast. This is Mimi, and today, we have Dr. Jaban Moore. Thank you so much for joining today. I'm so excited to be able to talk to you about your Lyme journey, because you had Lyme yourself, and how you're using that in your practice today, so welcome.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Well, thank you so much for having me. I'm excited to talk about this. I love spreading any information I can as much as I can, because this was such a long, grueling journey for me, and it wasn't near as long as some of the clients I've worked with. So if I can give somebody help, that's the goal every day.

Mimi MacLean:
You were already practicing, right? And then you got Lyme, or was it-

Dr. Jaban Moore:
No. So, my journey goes back and it's a little gray, because like many Lyme people, they don't know exactly when it happened. I know in high school I was gaining strength and I was getting more fit, I was becoming more athletic, just like crazy, and then all of a sudden, it stopped. My strength levels just plateaued, and that was it. And I'm like, "Did I just reach my peak, going right into college at 18, 19, or maybe did Lyme hit at that point?" Because about 25 is when it really hit me hard, and it was after I lost all of my college mass. I put on 70 pounds in college on purpose, which is a battle of its own, losing all the weight.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
But about 25, my joints started aching, my brain started becoming a little more foggy, a little more fatigued; I wasn't jumping out of bed anymore. But the big thing was, as I started to develop erectile dysfunction at 25 years old, and even to this day, it's still hard for me to say that, because as a male, we don't want to talk about testosterone crashing, so that's when I really started to take note, I was about 25. And it was after I had lost weight, started eating the healthiest I'd ever ate, working out instead of as an athlete, super hard, working out just to maintain health. So, I should have been feeling the best I've ever felt, and I was starting to feel like my body was going to fail me.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And then how did you figure out you had Lyme?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So like most, no matter who you talk to the first time, it doesn't seem like anyone ever suggests Lyme on day one. I was in chiropractic school by the time that I started having these symptoms, so I initially went even on a more natural route, but chiropractors weren't giving me a lot of answers. It wasn't something that you could adjust out. I was getting all the structural therapies, I was getting the diet advice. I went to functional medicine doctors before I even went to mainstream doctors, and they were talking about blood sugar and blood pressure, working on getting my heart healthier, making sure that the arginine, or the nitric oxide, in my body was healthy and functioning, and they just kept doing more and more of those things.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And nothing was working, so I went and talked to some mainstream doctors, more of your general medical doctor/nurse practitioner style. No answers. I was sitting at a conference that was integrative conference, and at this conference, it was the DABCI conference, so it's taught here in Kansas City and on many other places. And I was sitting there, and as I was telling my story, somebody goes, "Have you ever thought about Lyme disease?," and I said, "No, I haven't. I know what it is. I've heard of it, but I don't know much about it." And they go, "Well, maybe that's it," and I said, "What do you know? Can you help me?" Because it's all doctors sitting there and they're like, "No, I don't really know a lot about it, but you can look into it," and I was just like, "Great."

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And even at DABCI, they teach some on Lyme disease, but it wasn't a main point. It wasn't something that they specialized in. So, long story short is, I ended up going to Wisconsin on my journey to see Dr. Allan Lindsley, and he had been through Lyme, his dad had died from what he would consider brain fog from Lyme. He was a farmer, he was working under the tractor and an accident happened. So, it's become his passion, and we're still friends to this day, but he was able to give me some help using some of his tinctures, and from there, I could start seeing my body turning back on. And it was a journey over the next couple of years, because I went into practice, and although I started with his tinctures for Lyme of albizia, I have found that metal was a part of my journey, and blood sugar mitochondrial dysfunctions were a part of my journey. So there's many pieces of the puzzle that I had to learn to help others.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And then as I was working with clients trying to figure out and help them, I go, "Oh, man, I need to do this for myself too."

Mimi MacLean:
Wow. So do you only treat Lyme patients?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Well, when I was in practice there at the very beginning, Dr. Lindsay referred a few clients to me like the day I walked into practice, which was amazing and scary, trial by fire Lyme patients day one. And I started trying to build my practice, honestly, trying to help anybody I could because well, when you walk out and start your own practice, you'll take whoever walks up to your door. Nowadays, I really only do chronic illness. Now, that may be Lyme, parasite, chronic virus, and mould, but it's chronic illness. And that's 100% of my practice. At this point, I'm even training three doctors in my clinic to take the overflow because right now, they're just more people that are sick, and they are trying to help them.

Mimi MacLean:
I know it's terrible. So if someone comes into your practice now, and they know they have Lyme, they've had it for a long time, and you're probably not the first doctor they come to. You're probably like the 10th, or whatever. What do you do right off the bat?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So right off the bat, I just sit and listen to them. Because if you can give a Lyme person 20 minutes to just talk, you're going to get a great amount of information is going to lead you in a direction. So long case history, and then we're moving into their assessments that they fill out for me. And the assessments are every question you can think of, probably 200 plus questions on how every organ system works. So their digestion, their breathing, their heart, because this is all telling me about how they work. Because Lyme itself as in borrelia, the bacteria doesn't typically lead by itself to as many breathing issues, I don't find. And I don't think that it leads to as many heart issues by itself. Now, its coinfections definitely do. So as I started listening to all of these symptoms, they're telling me infections, like for instance, I got a lot of trouble breathing.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
One thing and well, we might have something like mold, babesia, heart symptoms are going to be more on that, babesia also. But heart can even be from electrolyte imbalance. So do we have some sort of adrenal issue causing electrolyte imbalances? So, all of these pieces help to add in, and then once I get all that information, I'm ordering tests after my first initial appointment. I do love an organic acid test. I love blood tests, heart tissue, mineral analysis tests, those are probably my first three kinds of testing that I would run on somebody. And from there, if the history needs it, we'll do mould testing, or metal testing. So with Lyme anything's possible.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And so going back to your story, besides the tinctures, what else did you do to get better? You said you had heavy metals or you had mould?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I had the metals, and I didn't even know it. So for me it was take all the tinctures and that gave me probably 50% to 70% of my health back, and I thought I was doing well. I thought I was good, because compared to where I was, I was great.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Jaban Moore:
But then I went to a conference and somebody said, "You need to start fasting. It's a great healing tool." Whatever, I don't need to fast, I don't want to fast. I was a bodybuilder background. Let's eat every two to three hours. Well, I fasted and as soon as I fasted, I rashed across my face, under my armpits, across my chest. And this was coming from a guy who used to eat every two to three hours, so much so that I had clients that will actually bring me food to their appointments, because they were used to me being hungry during those periods of time. So I would get brain fog, I would get shaky if I wouldn't eat very often.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So I had some blood sugar issues. Now that still doesn't mean you should rash up. So then after fasting, I was like, "What is this?"

Mimi MacLean:
How long was your fast?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
That fast was only 18 hours.

Mimi MacLean:
That's it? And you got a rash from that?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yeah, that's how bad my blood sugar was. That's how bad my mitochondria was. So it was dumping toxins, which I use fasting all the time now, for getting people's bodies turned on and moving forward. I even use fasting for my most sensitive people at the very, very, very start now. It's like, if you say I'm mast cell, I've tried everything, I can't get started, use a little fasting. I had a woman in Finland recently, who has tried everything, couldn't take a quarter capsule of any supplement that we tried. I had her fast, which she was more than willing to try because she went three days after building up and then she was able to get the two pills of three of the things I asked her to, and I mean, this was just literally last month.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So I'm hoping now after another month and another longer fast, we're going to actually go start a protocol, and she's been sick for a decade.

Mimi MacLean:
But what happened to her that she can't take it? She just get sick or what happens?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yeah, so people with mast cell, they're going to have reactions. So it can be anything from headaches to body pain. Hers is like a fibromyalgia fit. So everything just starts hurting in her entire body, which she already is in pain always. But then it just flares up so much you can't really move.

Mimi MacLean:
So is that is that a symptom of mast cell?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
It can be, yeah.

Mimi MacLean:
So maybe that's what's wrong with me because it's funny because I think my Lyme has triggered mast cell. So I get massive hives, and I keep taking the mast cell test and it keeps coming back negative but I'm like, where would I get... I get hives when I'm cold. More like stressed or something like that. But I have just been lately, just no matter anytime I eat or do anything I just feel like my entire body's like in pain I came in the... My arm can't straigten right now. It doesn't straighten out. So it's weird, because I'm like, is it mast cell? What is it? But anyway, so that's what's made me think of that when you said that.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Well for you, I've seen hives a lot with cold and food, which tends to be a histamine type reaction for a lot of people. And Lyme or mould or parasites are going to trigger mast cell. So just stress in your body can trigger it. So then what you have to do is you have to decrease stress. And that's why I was using fasting for this woman because the lack of food makes the body rest, there's studies that show after about 72 hours that the immune system will reset itself.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So the same day that that Finland woman had a positive result, it just happened to be that I had another woman do a nine day fast. And she didn't have mast cell, but she was just in misery. She's a poor detoxer. And no matter what protocol we've done, it's 10 times harder for her than a lot of others. So with her I have to use every detox thing we can do to include coffee enemas, SONAS, dry brushing, castor oil pack, mass doses of supplements, and it still wasn't quite enough to go. So then I said, "All right, let's try fasting." She did a fast and then just barreled right through the start point and got to the other side.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And now, she was like a nine or 10 on every symptom. So from fatigue, to pain, to brain fog, to anxiety, and then now afterward, using fasting to get through it because before she couldn't, now she's like a four or five on everything. We're not healed. We're not done. Just implementing all of these tools that I just mentioned for her is what is allowing me to take sensitive people, or people like yourself, that is like, "I can't straighten my arm, I'm having a hard time, it's hard to treat." And getting you past that, that hurts. That stops everything.

Mimi MacLean:
How long did she go for? Was that eating?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Nine days.

Mimi MacLean:
How's that possible?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
All right, so the longest fast that has been researched and documented is 382 days.

Mimi MacLean:
What?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Now that person will weigh 440 pounds. So that's not something that just anybody can do. But three, five, seven day fasts, most people can do it. Now, you can't do it if your liver is too weak. So if your lactate dehydrogenase is too high, don't start trying too fast. If you can't get into ketosis, don't start trying to fast, but I've taken people who are technically underweight, done a short three day fast, which I know that sounds like a long time. But a short three day fast, it broke the immune cycle, then they could eat and then they gain weight because they also have a hormone spike. So your human growth hormone will spike, it will go up after a five day fast. And some studies show up to 2,000%. So you start trying to heal, you start producing stem cells.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So even for people that are lighter, sometimes I'll push it maybe, and I'm going to look at your blood work. I'm going to make sure you're healthy and strong, not just throw everybody into it, but it's a tool.

Mimi MacLean:
But how do you physically... Like this morning, I was like okay, "I'm going to go today." I went for 16 hours without... But I was like, "Today I'm going to use a cleanse day because I need it, my body hurts so much." Maybe that's trying to... I can't do it. How do they not eat? How do you get past that?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So you're seeing me here on video and those that are going to see us on Instagram can, I got this handy dandy water bottle filled with minerals. That's just first step. So I put minerals in my water when I'm fasting. I'm not currently fasting right now, but I just got back from a hiking vacation, I had to clear my mind and reconnect with just, and I'll stand at the top of the mountain thinking how to help people and minerals is key for fasting. So I went on a five mile hike up in a mountain on a 24 hour fast.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I love to fast and hike and I'm fine. I'm a 200 pound guy and it's about minerals because I have body fat and your body will tear down that body fat, make energy, it will tear down your bad tissue so it will make good protein from muscle tissue that's being broken down. You have plenty of that even if you are slightly underweight. Now, again, I keep saying there are exceptions to this rule because I don't anyone out there to jump on it. But looking at you, you look like you would be able to fast, so then get your minerals in so that you can make sure that you're not hungry because you're urinating minerals out.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
As a person with Lyme, your body is an adrenal state where you're probably over producing a little bit of aldosterone, that causes mineral wasting, it's like you just dump minerals out, so that extra mineral help. And then from there you have to build up, you can't go from 16 hours to 24, to three days for a lot of people. You got to build. It took me a few months to build from that 18 hour fast, that detox to me. I did a three day dry fast, which means no water, no minerals, no food, but most people I put into the fast initially like the USA start bone broth, put some MCT oil in your coffee or your tea, literally drink sea salt water. So get a quality Celtic sea salt water, drink it, and then stay busy. One thing I used to do is sit still.

Mimi MacLean:
Stay right by the kitchen. What's so funny, last week I had another podcast and it was a medical intuitive. His name is Arno and he did a session for me and he said your minerals are low. That was one of my takeaways, which I thought was interesting. So anyway, okay, so can you talk a little bit about your kinesiology, do you use your chiropractic work to treat patients?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yeah, so I do some muscle testing, which is applied kinesiology, I use a technique actually called CPK development, Milton Dowty, he combined several types of kinesiology together, which allows us to find priority systems. So that means when I'm working with a client, it's not just, "Well, I know you have Lyme parasites, viruses, other bacteria, metal and mould." So you've got all of these things. And somebody is going to be like, well, because of their experience, they're going to start with mould. That may or may not be the right answer. And Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt actually did some studies on this where he uses his muscle testing technique, but what he found was, you can chelate somebody, no metal comes out.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And then you can do whatever their priority is. And then if they had the metal, the metal is going to come out on its own at times, just because you peel the onion in the proper way. So that's what I've found, too, it's not necessarily that I'm doing things better than other people with the teamsters I'm using. I've had clients come to me, that have taken the exact same tinctures from somebody else. But then I go in a different order with a different dosage amount, and then it works. So I'm using muscle testing to help peel back your Layers in the proper order so that it allows your body to heal the way it needed to. Because the order matters more than just about anything else that I've seen.

Mimi MacLean:
Interesting. And then how do you do the muscle testing if you're doing online or virtual meeting?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
The muscle testing, we just call it an energetic test. So I'll use target testing or I'll muscle test myself.

Mimi MacLean:
And that would be enough to feel the difference? That's interesting. What percentage of your clients are online versus in person?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Since COVID, I went from about 70% virtual to now about 99% virtual.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow, it's interesting.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So I still got a few people that are in the area, they'll come in but... And I mean, shoot I talk to people that are five miles from me that are just calling?

Mimi MacLean:
Yeah, especially with COVID. Okay, so I know you love talking about... I've seen it on your Instagram page about the EMF, can you shed some light about that? I think, for me, I'm definitely aware of what it is and what's not good for you, especially the 5G, but putting that into practice in real life, with your phone and with my kids, and what do you recommend to your patients or clients for reducing EMF.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So just start simple. Turn your phone to aeroplane mode at night, the alarm will still go off, so make sure you haven't set. I do it every single night for myself. If you want to take it another step further, turn off your Wi-Fi box at night. You can even put a program on where it'll shut itself off, like the plugin, if you want to do that sort of thing. And those are two easy ways. Because what we have seen that is measurable is cell phones. The EMF is coming off of phones and off of computers, off of Wi-Fis will irritate moulds. So then you have more mould issue if you have all this Wi-Fi around you. But even besides that as a muscle tester, I will simply lay a cell phone on a muscle and if that person is a little bit EMF sensitive, that muscle will go weak very easily. I've taken big strong bodybuilders where you know I can't out push them, put it on their quad and the quad just goes limp.

Mimi MacLean:
Really?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
It doesn't take much, you just push it right on down, they're like, "Wait a minute." And they'll fight with me, athletes, football players. And then I'm like, "See, stop putting this on your body when you're playing or when you're warming up, when you're lifting weights, because it is taking away from you." Now, that's one piece of it. Now, some other things that you've seen studies out there from just 4G and now 5G is an exponential level stronger. But 4G mutated lots of different proteins in the body, just creating another dysfunction in the body, and which is leading to more genetic snips, and more stress. It's just another level of stress on the system. I add EMF, to the moulds and the metals and the plastics and everything else in our environment.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And if you can easily remove that by shutting it off. That's one more step that somebody who's chronically ill can take. That's not expensive, and not difficult, which is awfully nice in the medical world we live in right now where some of the steps are very difficult. Getting some of the medications, supplements, care can be greatly expensive. So anytime I can tell somebody to fast, turn off your EMF, clean out your vents. These are easy things that can be done, that can be massively effective for healing.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). No, it's very true. With your phone, though, what else can you do? Did these things work when you buy the things for the back of the phone, or the thing... There's a little device that you plug in, or I heard some, after you use your phone, you can go outside and put your feet on the ground and read calibre, do any of those work or is that?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So I have seen the little dots in the back of your phone. I'm sure not all of them are working. But I have used some of those to use for muscle testing. And putting that in between a person's body has helped, putting your feet on the grounds of grounding, which helps the exchange of negative ions does help. So I've actually done some muscle testing. Because I was just curious, I went outside, like, if you put your feet on the ground is this going to help change it? And it has. There's even grounding mats, or grounding braces that I've seen people wear when they're in practice. Because when your hands are on people all day and exchanging those ions can wear you out. So I have seen some of those things work. Other technology out there, there's the machines that are putting out different wavelengths into your house. Have you seen those, the plugin ones?

Mimi MacLean:
Yes, I had an email about that yesterday. So I was like, "What does that?" For $300, you can plug in this little machine here, is it worth it? Or is that just another?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So what I've seen is I've seen it make some clients feel better. But I haven't seen it affect mould versus EMF. So if you're a mould sensitive person, that's not going to stop or protect the mould from what I've seen. For you, for your body, I have seen it change the wavelength to where maybe your body accepts it better. I'll be honest, I don't have the exact understanding of the science yet I was at a conference this past year before COVID hit, and there was a guy there on scalar wave. And that's what a lot of that technology is. And the quantum physics was quite deep. And I'd love to spend more time with those guys. But basically, what they were saying is the wavelengths that they're trying to put off with these machines, when it hits an EMF wave, instead of blocking Wi-Fi, it just makes it more acceptable for the body.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So it causes it to change or the wavelength a little bit. And that wavelength is less harmful to a human body. The best that I could explain it not being quantum physicists.

Mimi MacLean:
Right. And you keep mentioning mould, what do you usually do to treat somebody who has mold?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So mold, step one get out of it. You're not going to heal while you're in mould. And that's just that, so I've got people that, they are like, "Well, I can't leave, I can't move." You've got to do the best you can to get out of it. Step two, once you're out of it, to me that then becomes more of another toxin in your body. And I have to prioritize it along with everything else that we're talking about. So whether that be the Lyme or parasites or otherwise, but mould is immunosuppressive. So as long as it's in your body, it's allowing everything else to survive and run rampant. So if you have Lyme and you can't get well, maybe you should at least double check if moulds there, there's some great testing, Great Plains Laboratory has one and if you want to test at your home, . My favorite product actually isn't even on the market yet. I'm testing it out for them. But I just heard they got the labels and it's from CellCore. It's called carboxy.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
The first time I ever took carboxy, I literally smelled mould in my nose for a week. And I don't even have a major mould situation going on in my life. But this stuff sucked out, I'm guessing so much more of it that I could smell mould for a week and I've used it with clients who have had major mould issues even still living in mould and they swear by... One story I've got for you and it's incredible. I had a girl that I've been working with. When she was 11 years old she started to develop OCD. Some anxiety, some body pain fatigue at 11. She's now 26. She moved home from California to her parent's home in Florida, and moved into the same room she got sick in.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And we're starting to wonder, is this a psychological situation? Is this mould? So I said, Can you just run a mould test on mould, got her out of there, got a sample of carboxy down to her. And within a few weeks... I'm talking 15 years this girl's been sick, within a few weeks, we're from a nine, 10, to a two or three on most of her symptoms.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And she's now able to live her life versus being miserable. And is because we found and got rid of mould out of her body and got her out of the mouldy situation.

Mimi MacLean:
What test did you use for mould in her house?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So we're using [inaudible 00:25:50] in her home, and we use the Great Plains Laboratory to find it in her body. And the thing about the Great Plains Laboratory test is you can run it two different ways. Same test, but you can run it where you know provocation. So we don't give you any [inaudible 00:26:04], nothing you take it. This is more telling you if your body is dealing with it right now. So is it coming in currently? Hers was yes. The other way you can do it is if it would have been a no, because you live in somewhere else or something, you could have done with a provocation and seeing if it was in there from her past or history living in that room? And we didn't have to do that because she was leaving it now. But those are the two ways you can do it for somebody who has a curiosity about mould?

Mimi MacLean:
Yes. Do you typically give a particular product for somebody who has Lyme to fight off the Lyme or is that the last result? Because some doctors I've talked to, they're like, "No, no, we're going to do the mould first, we're going to do the heavy metals, and then the Lyme will come on its own because your body will be able to deal with it at that point."

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So, like I was saying earlier, I definitely muscle test and I go through looking at all your information, but about 70% of the people, once you're out of a bad situation, whatever that may be, mould, metal water, radiation, so radon in your homes, you've got to get away from the things that are keeping you sick, once we're out of that. Step two would be parasites.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Because Lyme is a single cellular organism that can live inside of a parasite. Parasites oftentimes get in to your liver, gallbladder and digestive tract. And if you're looking at the detox funnel, you've got to get those organs, the colon, the liver, the gallbladder moving before you can get anything else out. So for me, I'm going to go off of the parasites and I see lots of pictures of parasites. I've seen more different kinds of parasites. And you know what, just for fun, I have seen all the different kinds of worms come out whether they're... and little ones or several feet long or little seed-like organisms. But if you're seeing tomato skins in your stool, when you're detoxing, think about flukes, because that's what you're probably seeing, especially if you're not eating tomatoes, [inaudible 00:28:05] the first time I ever saw it, I did a gallbladder flush.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I was like, "I haven't eaten 24 hours. It's not tomato season, where's this coming from?" And then lots of little stones came out with a gallbladder flush, but getting the parasites out, unclogging everything.

Mimi MacLean:
Yeah.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So, then when you do decide to go after mould or metal or Lyme, whatever else you're going to go after, you can actually get it out. Because the last thing you want to do is start a flush from whatever you're doing, whether it's metal, mould, bacteria are going to be releasing and the [inaudible 00:28:38] are dying. The last thing you want to do is start a flush. And then it just gets bound up because your liver is congested. And then now you're hurting, you're in pain, your adrenals are fatiguing out, your mitochondria are getting flooded with toxins because your cells are overflowing with toxicity. And now instead of moving forward or moving backwards, and my drainage funnel... Just put simply is colons, the first thing you got to make sure to clear up and then you're moving up to liver, gallbladder, then into the lymph, and then to the cells of the body.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Once you get to the cells of the body, then we can get into the brain, moving from the brain, I think even smaller into the mitochondria. And that's how you're going to get well if you go up the funnel that way, because you're going from basically big to small and allowing for the body to heal and clean out in a way in which is not going to trigger further reactions. Now, again, that's 70% of the time there is always an exception to that rule for somebody out there. I have started with Lyme before, I have started with mould before. It just depends on your unique situation.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And then with coffee enemas, how often do you usually suggest people? A couple of times a week?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
That's another one of those individual situations, but I'd say my average as a person is about twice a week. I just had one parent, because I work with a lot of kids, and she was doing an enama every single day to get the kid to go. And if she does an enema, he doesn't go. And he'll go four or five, six days without going. So I actually told her, I was like, "Or goal for her is to stop doing so many enamas."

Mimi MacLean:
Why can't she just do supplements instead?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
That's what we're going to be working toward, to see if we can. Because emamas are a great tool, but they do [inaudible 00:30:25] minerals, they do upset the bacterial floor of the digestive tract. And at some point, it's definitely worth doing that. But it can't be a forever thing.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Dr. Jaban Moore:
And she has already been doing it for six months to keep the kid moving. I'm like, "Okay, we've got to start transitioning away from that." But coffee enemas twice a week when we're really starting to get you going. But even in the natural realm, and this is what so many people, I think, don't quite understand is, if it has a therapeutic effect, there is going to be a toxic or negative effect at some point. You can overdo anything that's going to be therapeutic, whether it's an essential oil, a supplement, a therapy, you can overdo something.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Do you use the essential oils too?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I do some but not necessarily for a Lyme protocol, more of a supportive protocol for what's going on in your body. So, if you have yeast, I use some oregano. If you have some fungus on the outside of your skin, some tea tree oil. I do love to put lavender with CellCores bio molecular oxygen, or I guess hydro oxygen is what it would be called now. Because that can help with rashes, like eczema that come up with people who have parasites. So anytime you have skin situation, I'm thinking of parasites, I'm like, "Cover that with the oxygen or lavender and it helps to calm it while we're going through the healing process."

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And do you ever look at their genetics or the MTHFR gene?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I do some. It gives me a direction to begin with. But it is not my favorite thing. And there are probably people out there better at reading it than I am. I have taken some meaning in it. But what I found is there are tests from companies that have 1,000 genes, and there are hyper methylators, and there are under methylator genes. And they so often overlap each other. So if I'm looking at a genetic test, which I usually don't order myself, whatever that test tells me, then I go and order the blood tests that would tell me whether or not that's actually happening. So if you tell me you're a poor methylator, I'm going to look at your methylation genes. I'm also going to run your homocysteine and your B vitamin absorptions, to make sure that you are what that gene says you are.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Because so many times I get someone in that's been given tons of B vitamins, told that they don't methylate Well, it didn't work because they're told that that was going to be the solution. And then they stop that B vitamin, and they gave it up, it's been three or four months, then we run homocysteine, and I'm like, "You're perfect. Your homocysteine is not the problem. So methylation for you might not be the problem that we need to deal with." So I'm very targetive with what I do. More often than not people come to me and they're on this long list of supplements. I'm like, "Hey, all those things are probably good for you, but most of us don't have great digestive tracts. And I want to be pinpoint with how I want to get you well, instead of having you on 20 things, let's get three or four things to start that I know how they're gonna work. And I have an expectation, so they can get you well." Also, it is overwhelming to take 20 supplements a day.

Mimi MacLean:
I'm that person. And then what happens is you go to a couple different doctors and everyone has a different protocol. So then I'm doing three different doctors. Protocols, that's like my situation right now. And then I still don't feel well. Anyway, I'm sure everyone has the same situation I do. When people come to you, how often until they feel better?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Like I said, I only treat chronic illness. So I'd say we usually see some change after about a third protocol. Now that can be very different how long it takes to get there. Third protocol for somebody that doesn't have a mast cell or a highly reactive systems, about three months. For somebody that's highly reactive, it could be six months before we get through third protocol. And for those who are extremely reactive, I've got a guy who just finished his third protocol after two years.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Mind you, he came in on a walker at 30 years old and lost 60 pounds. He'd already been dealing with this for seven or eight years and been through multiple major clinics. And I won't put those names out there, but major, major clinics that had seen him and diagnosed him with all kinds of different things like B vitamin toxicities, and then I looked at his blood under a microscope and just saw more bacteria than I saw red blood cells, and they're like, "Okay, so you've got something different going on?" It was funny though. His uncle was a chiropractor client of mine. He goes, "My nephew, I'm going to pay for having an appointment with you." He's got some neuropathy. He comes in and neuropathy doesn't explain what he had going [inaudible 00:35:03].

Mimi MacLean:
Yeah, you're like let us be honest. That was one of the hundred things you had.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
He had lightning bolt headaches. It was incredible. But now two years later, the guy is back to work full time, and he still have some issues going on. But he can walk, he can breathe, he can talk, he can clean his house, he can go out to dinner with his wife, who by the way, had MS and now can raise her drop foot that she hasn't been able to raise for years.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow. Do you think she really has a mast cell or was it just Lyme?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Well, what is MS?

Mimi MacLean:
[inaudible 00:35:33]. Yeah.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
MS has been tied to nematode parasites And to [inaudible 00:35:38] key bacterias, both. And whether it's MS, or lupus, or any autoimmune disease, those are all just names for a body's reaction and we don't understand why it's happening. So I'm never going to tell somebody, I'm going to cure them from anything. But I've definitely seen people have where their MS can either go into remission, or they start regaining strength, or at least that they stopped. But I've seen a lot of people regain where they're numb on their whole left side. And now they're like, I can feel, I can move, I can write again, or at least I can react. And sometimes it's not so much fun, because they go from numb back to tingle, then back to normal.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
So it's like that transition, like, "Hey, hold on, we're working." And fasting has been incredible for that. Because with autoimmune patients, one of the tools that I give them on our partying days, I'm like, "Hey, so as a free, cheap thing that you can do the rest of your life, keep your immune system from attacking you. Every quarter do a three to five day fast." And I've got lots of clients who I see quarterly. And I'm like, "Have you done your fast yet?" No. You start to feel like [inaudible 00:36:50] coming back and, yeah, I'm starting to feel a little bit and then they'll fast and the ache will go away and they'll last three months with no more RA symptoms.

Mimi MacLean:
That's amazing. And so you do live blood analysis too?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
I did. It's been frowned upon by CLIA, which is a governing body. And they came in and said that they changed the way that they're looking at it and that we are no longer allowed to do live blood cell analysis in my state.

Mimi MacLean:
Wow, it's too bad. So are you back 100%?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
As far as I can tell, yeah, I do crossFit. I'm getting ready to go to a Mud Run next weekend. So, yeah. I'm living and loving life. And I do a protocol maybe every six months just as a preventative. And otherwise, just eat organic paleo diet six days a week. And I will tell all of my clients, I don't need you to be perfect, I just need you to be good. And I say this out loud, because I want people to know you don't have to be perfect once you've crossed that journey. On my vacation this weekend, I definitely had a giant tray of nachos, and enjoyed every bite of it. And then today, I'm back and I've had my paleo protein bar, I have my eggs, and tonight I'll be eating my organic steak with my broccoli. So I don't always eat bad, just every now and then.

Mimi MacLean:
It sounds like, for anyone who's listening who don't have the means to go to a doctor at this point. You've mentioned a couple of things. Your diet, the intermittent fasting, cleaning up the EMF, also just getting the toxins out of your life as far as pesticides, your food, is there anything else that they can do from home to help them get in the right direction, and so they can get positioned to get professional help?

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yeah, I'm developing actually that content for free on my Facebook group. And we've released, I think six weeks of 10 so far. So I'm putting that out there. So if you don't catch all of it right now, you can go there and look. And basically it's get away from whatever toxins you have, start trying to optimize your mitochondria by building up your body through fasting, good diet, keto diet has been incredibly helpful for so many people, and will continue to be probably one of my favorite diets for people that are dealing with chronic illness. It's not perfect for everyone. It's not a lifestyle that I promote forever, but it is probably my favorite diet to get people moving in the right direction.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
The next thing that I would say is you've really got to just make sure you're sleeping enough and getting yourself the proper positive vibes, positive energy. So with healing more often than not what I see, is I see people that are really struggling to get well even though they have the money, the doctors, everything else. And they have a really hard time getting well because they don't believe they're going to get well. The power of the mind is a must. You must know that you're going to get well, you must know and have a positive energy to get well. I know it sounds like something that you only hear in natural medicine. But I'm never was a guy to talk about things like that, I was just a push for kind of go person. But the people that seem to get well are the ones that they have a goal, they have a why. And they know what that why is. It's their kids, it's their family. And they're absolutely going to find a way to get well.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And not feel like... I've talked to some people where they're just angry and they're in that stage of... Not that they don't want to get well, they want to get well, but they're just mad. They're mad. They feel like they're addicted. Why is this happening to me? And then you just get caught in that cycle where, like you said, which is totally true. Just the emotional mindset and getting positive and letting go of the past, the things that make you mad.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yeah. And just looking at this as a journey. Nobody wants to be sick. Nobody wants to have to go through this. But I can tell you that people that get to the other side, their appreciation for life, their whole life goals have changed. I have one woman who's incredible, the Joy Warrior, she calls herself, she wrote a book. She was a workaholic. And although she was probably an amazing person before, now afterward, she enjoys her kids and her husband and every single day and lives it up to the most. And you can just feel her energy when she walks into your office, because she still comes into check in. And it's just different, once you've been through these health battles, you appreciate each day.

Mimi MacLean:
I know, it's totally true. This has been amazing. And I want everyone to go... You do a great job on social media, you have a big following. Is Instagram pretty much your main platform, or you also said the Facebook group, because your Instagram is Dr, D-R And then Jaban Moore, J-A-B-A-N M-O-O-R-E. And you have a great website too. And then you have your Facebook group.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Yep, my Facebook group is True Healing Strategies. My Facebook page is Dr. Jaban Moore, so you can find it through there. We're always just trying to put out content. And like I said, I was training three doctors and some of the requirements, I have them like, "You guys are going to get out there and answer the questions, put content out." Because although I try to do as much as I can, I'm not going to be the doctor for every single person out there, because my story is going to be different than the next. The doctors I'm training have got their own stories, whether it be fertility, or one was food allergies that brought her to the table for learning to how to get people well.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
We just have to get information out there. Because I'm going to say it one way, you're going to say it another and whatever clicks for that person to get well is what we need to do.

Mimi MacLean:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Well, this has been amazing. I really appreciate your time. And I will definitely keep following you on social media. Thank you so much for joining us.

Dr. Jaban Moore:
Thanks for having me.

Mimi MacLean:
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