What's Our Problem?

Wow, time has flown by! This is an episode from the vault and was recorded in January 2018. 

It's May 2026 and I'm uploading a few episodes for your listening and reminiscing pleasure. Kind of prophetic and, dare I say, spot on?! Miss you Melvin and TU...

Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:11

Welcome. Settle in. It's time for your weekly dose of Truth Unscripted.

SPEAKER_01 0:23

Welcome back to Truth Unscripted. How are you this week?

SPEAKER_04 0:27

I'm doing great. How are you?

SPEAKER_01 0:29

I'm awesome.

SPEAKER_04 0:30

Happy New Year.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

Yes, happy new year. It's been uh an interesting one so far for me. I've had illness and other, I don't know, challenges.

SPEAKER_04 0:40

Very much the same. It's been a it's been a rough start to the new year for my family. So but people are on demand.

SPEAKER_01 0:47

Well, and I'm hoping we just get it all out of the way early.

SPEAKER_04 0:50

Yeah, I'm hoping that that's what this means.

SPEAKER_01 0:52

Yeah, because I do feel it's gonna be a great year. So putting that out there.

SPEAKER_04 0:57

There you go. That's my plan.

SPEAKER_01 1:00

Well, you know, and thinking about the topic this week, um we kind of were back and forth on what we wanted to discuss and and and look at. And I guess we've talked a lot about unintended consequences with technology and future, um the future, what it's gonna look like.

SPEAKER_04 1:22

The unintended consequences makes it into almost every episode.

SPEAKER_01 1:25

Yeah, and we've talked about you know how we don't like tracking devices or being tracked as we travel necessarily, although we know there are good things about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:34

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 1:35

But I really don't know if we know what it is that we don't like about it. What is it that puts us on this this track? You know, this we love the technology, but we don't like the tracking devices, the chipping, the facial recognition, the AI, the different things. What is it? What are we not comfortable with?

SPEAKER_04 2:05

I think some of it is the loss of control. You know, uh that's a big one for me. I think I'll admit that I'm a bit of a control freak and I don't like I don't want you making a decision for me. So that's part of it. I guess also, and it's it's a fair question because you know, what's what's the big concern? What's our deal? What's our deal? Um I'm just a bit concerned about the fact that people are just lining up. It's one thing when I have that conversation with someone who I know is aware of all of the potential things that can happen from the use of said technology, whatever it is, and they're going into it informed. I I enjoy that conversation because at least I know this person is going with their eyes wide open and they understand the potential.

SPEAKER_01 3:04

Right. Right.

SPEAKER_04 3:05

But then when you have folks when you ask them a question, they're like, I don't know. Or more importantly, oh I don't care. It does this for me, it's gonna do that for me. I I'll let somebody else worry about that stuff. I I guess it's just that we are such an uninformed used to I used to just say such an uninformed country, and now we're just uh such an uninformed global community about some of the you know, risk and and some of the reward. I mean some people j they just don't care one way or the other.

SPEAKER_01 3:42

Well, and I I think that's my primary issue with it are those people who are aware of it but then say they don't care. Or the positive aspects of this are better than anything else that could be negative about it, any of the consequences.

SPEAKER_04 3:59

So the question is why do you care?

SPEAKER_01 4:01

Why do I care? Because I do think at some point the negatives are gonna outweigh the positives, I guess. You know, like you mentioned the control more and more as this stuff develops, you know, microchipping right now is a choice. I can definitely see down the line, maybe very soon, where it isn't a choice that we have to, in order to participate in society in the way that we do right now, we may have to comply and be chipped. And then, you know, there's control there. Right. There's control with maybe my insurance because my DNA has shown that I'm you know predisposed to this condition. So it could be controlling me in that way, or maybe my food choices because my medical history shows that I, you know, need to look out for this. And so on and on it goes. Um, I think the control of losing control of my life and well, I think that's the big part of it.

SPEAKER_04 5:05

So are we overstating it? I mean, have you lost control of your life?

SPEAKER_01 5:10

Well, not at this point. But you know, it is slowly seeping away. Okay. And I can see that um with just simple things we've talked about before with banking. Right. With um these tracking devices mess with me.

SPEAKER_04 5:28

I have to bring this up because you are just eaten up with the thought of tracking devices. It is just a Fitbit.

SPEAKER_01 5:41

It is. But there are some things that Fitbit shouldn't be doing.

SPEAKER_04 5:45

See.

SPEAKER_01 5:46

Well, and and off the subject there. But um, you know, and the facial recognition really gets me too because we read an article. I have to bring this up, that some places in China was it where I think it was in order to get toilet paper at the public restroom, you had to show your face. Uh like facial recognition.

SPEAKER_04 6:04

You know, I've I've still have not put those two things together quite yet as to the the necessity of, you know, like I said, unless the fact unless the fact is that they think you're using way too much toilet paper.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Yeah, but even still, you know, you don't have a choice now of how much toilet paper you're gonna use.

SPEAKER_04 6:21

I mean, not if it's a public restroom because I they've got to put that toilet paper back in there. Or maybe people are maybe or maybe people are stealing the toilet paper.

SPEAKER_01 6:31

Well, it's a choice to steal the toilet paper. I don't know. I mean, I just that's one thing. You steal it now.

SPEAKER_04 6:37

I've got your face and I know who stole the TP.

SPEAKER_01 6:41

Aaron Powell But see, that's something that is being used in our world right now. Controlling your toilet paper. I mean, that's basic stuff.

SPEAKER_04 6:51

No, they're controlling their toilet paper. Yeah, well I put the toilet paper out there. I need to know more, you know, because if I've got somebody who is a serial toilet paper stealer or excessive user, you know, I I know this sounds ridiculous, but it's that's the reality for people in this place in China.

SPEAKER_01 7:13

That's the reality. Do we want to face that? I mean, losing control of our personal choices and and all of these things, um, that's a struggle for me.

SPEAKER_04 7:22

Aaron Ross Powell But you know what? Are there positives? I mean, aren't there positives to this stuff that we're and we're obsessing over as being the beginning of Skynet?

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Aaron Ross Powell There are positives. There definitely are. We were speaking with somebody just a short time ago who was talking about all of the medical breakthroughs and and treatments and things that have come about because of advances in technology. Absolutely. How many lives are saved, and then I say, well, you know, for a planet that has a growing population that at some point we're not going to be able to support as efficiently, you know, you you have to wonder what's the balance here? There has to be a balance in all things.

SPEAKER_04 8:08

You know, I I think that because I'm sitting here asking myself, why is it a big deal if the people that I talk to seem to be mindlessly adopting a lot of these technologies or a lot of these new creative inventive items without any concern? You know, am I just a worry ward or are they just too carefree? And then the bigger question is why does it matter to me? Because it's his choice or her choice or my choice or your choice, and and and it ultimately, as far as control is concerned, if they are someone who feels like they're comfortable with doing said thing or giving up that said amount of control, why is it a concern to me? And I guess it's because for one, and it's probably very selfish, I like being able to have an educated and informed conversation with somebody about the things that are happening in the world around us. And when you talk to somebody and they're and their mindset is, I don't know, well, do you I don't care. I mean, you're it I'm just a little bit taken aback by the fact that so you would put something into your body in the form of a chip or in the form of whatever, and you don't know it much about it, and you don't care much about it. I just you know, and there just seems to be a lot of that. Or I I don't know. I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 9:41

Well, and I think the more people that are lining up for it and excited about it, let's just say they're not just accepting it, they're excited about it. The more of those people that there are, the less there are of us, and eventually it's all gonna sway their way, and we're gonna have to get on board.

SPEAKER_04 10:01

So now we're getting to the crux of what really is getting under your skin.

SPEAKER_01 10:08

Which is what?

SPEAKER_04 10:09

Which is that we may be the only two people left on the planet that are not buying into this stuff, and at some point they're gonna look at us and say, uh you have to do this.

SPEAKER_01 10:22

I don't think I don't think it's gonna be just you and I. I'm not going to think that it's just you and I because there are some very intelligent people out there who agree with us. Like Elon Musk, for one, who says there have to be balances in all of this AI and technology.

SPEAKER_04 10:42

But let's be very clear, there's some very intelligent people out there as well who are very supportive of this technology and and all of the many advances that things are being made. So, you know, there's there's always gonna be two sides.

SPEAKER_01 10:57

There, that's for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 10:59

And so I I guess the thing becomes why does it really just bug us so much? And that's you know, I I'm I'm having to try to ask myself, do I have some biases or you know, just what it is? Because I had a buddy of mine, you know, we we've we've railed about the the tracking and the targeted ads and all of this stuff. So I was talking to one of my friends yesterday evening, and his statement to me was, well, I don't care if they're you know scanning my information for for things, as long as the things that they're gonna be advertising to me are things that I want. I want them to be at least if I've got to see the ads or I've got to be mobarded with them, let it be for something that that interests me or that's you know related to things that I really like.

SPEAKER_01 11:51

And man, do manufacturers and companies love to hear that.

SPEAKER_04 11:55

Right. Now let's be honest.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 11:57

Let's be honest. If you're gonna give make me look at a ad for something, I guess it would be more appealing to me if it was something that I was interested in. But the other side of that is I don't know, like I told him, I don't want to be I don't want you trying to market me to death. I I just I I just don't. You know, does that make me the odd person out? You know, maybe there are more per more people that feel like I wouldn't mind these ads if they were targeted at the stuff that I'm interested in. I'm getting ready to build a new computer. Would I be frustrated if the ads that began popping up for me were targeting exactly the type and quality of components that I want to put in this machine? And more importantly, the ones at the best prices. Well, it's convenient.

SPEAKER_01 13:00

It's convenient.

SPEAKER_04 13:01

But it it not only would that be convenient, it would be amazing. I didn't have to do all that research and I don't have to go. Matter of fact, maybe they would do what one of the things that I love to do. Whenever I'm shopping for something, I like to find a website where I can do comparison.

unknown 13:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 13:19

So you want comparative ads ideally.

SPEAKER_04 13:22

I mean, you know, if I if you're gonna give me not just any old comparative ads, I don't you know, I really don't want to see comparative ads for this French fry versus that French fry.

SPEAKER_01 13:30

So, like him, like your friend, you're kind of in the same thought that it's not as bad if it's what you want it, you know, things that you enjoy, things that you like, things that you may be in the market for.

SPEAKER_04 13:40

I'm saying, I'm asking, would I be less bothered by it if I don't I don't even want you just sending me something that's in the the vein of those things that I like.

SPEAKER_03 13:54

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

I already know I like that stuff. I mean, it has to be really, really, really, really useful to me.

SPEAKER_01 14:04

But in the end, are you okay with it anyway? I mean, the whole idea of targeted ads. The part that bothered us, I think I can safely say is that our phones and our smart devices are listening to us even when shape, form, or fashion. Yeah, even when our com you know, our microphones are off. They're communicating, communicating with one another about where we are, uh, who's with us, all these things.

SPEAKER_04 14:31

So let me just while you've gone down that path, tell you about another conversation that was had with me this weekend that decided that let's just add another layer on top of that. So there were several of us talking about the first times we recognized that Google was listening, was tracking our daily habits. Like the fact that it will tell you in the morning on a week work day where you were supposed to be that you have this much time to get from here to work, uh-huh and you need to leave by this time to get on time. And I said, you know, the very first time that thing popped up, I'm going, what is really happening here? And so, okay, and so my buddy was telling me that on a specific night he would go grocery shopping. And he said it was amazing to him that on that particular night he would get some kind of um reminder or something that would tell him about the traffic between work and the supermarket as opposed to the typical end of work and the the traffic between there and home. And he said, and not only that, but now think about this. He said, Um, we get together and do this once every every other weekend or whatever, and so eventually Google will will recognize because I was talking about the fact that there's this whole thing about the listening and the capturing of keywords and and advertising to you accordingly. He said, What if it's even more than that? I was like, Well, what do you mean? He said, Well, what if it recognizes it knows me because it knows my phone? It knows you because it knows your phone, and it recognizes that we are here and that we spend time together. What if it's also extrapolating things based upon, of course, this is all what if? Is it? And that's what I was gonna say. And his point was is that it may not, he's he was trying to argue, it doesn't necessarily have to be listening to you or taking key words, it can be an algorithm that is surmising that this if based upon this person's likes and this person's likes and the affinity for each other and the fact that they're at this location and da-da-da-da, and on and on and on. And again, this gets into the whole thing that I'm saying. If I request for Google or Alexa or Echo or whoever to give me information on those things that I'm talking about, then I'm gonna appreciate it. But I'm not necessarily wanting them to be scouring the web and my email and all of that stuff and doing it on its own.

SPEAKER_01 17:22

Well, and being able to determine where you are and who you're with. Right. I mean, those are things that it's not asking us for permission to do. Right. And that's the side part, that's the consequence.

SPEAKER_03 17:32

Right.

SPEAKER_01 17:32

Uh so I I don't know how or if it's possible to separate the two.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

And I think that's the part of it for me. The very first time it gave me my itinerary when I had a flight coming up, I was like, wow. You know, I was a little bit torn as to is this really cool? Because it is kind of cool, but at the same time, why do you know my itinerary and my flight plans? So that means you're reading my email. I just uh I did just it it was it it's that whole thing.

SPEAKER_01 18:03

Well, and we talked last week about the software that exists that you know that they're communicating. Devices are communicating.

SPEAKER_04 18:10

Right. So being careful who you're with and you know, but why not just why not just appreciate the fact that Google was reminding me of, you know, my flight and my flight arrangements and the check-in times and all that stuff. Why why not just appreciate it?

SPEAKER_01 18:24

And in the now, in the now, that's great. What I'm most concerned about is a couple years from now. I mean, five years from now, ten years from now.

SPEAKER_04 18:33

Why not just live in the moment?

SPEAKER_01 18:34

Why not live in the moment? I guess that's because if we don't look to the future and what might come, we can't be prepared for it. We can't change it, we can't be prepared to deal with what happens.

SPEAKER_04 18:48

I'll give you some maybe be prepared, but I'm gonna tell you you can't change it. It's gonna happen. A lot of this is going to happen.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Oh, sure. A lot of it's already happening. It's already whether or not companies want to admit it, that's the other thing. Right. Um, we all know the technology exists. I still believe in fighting for things. I mean, even though you're the underdog, or even though you you know, if you believe in something, fight for it. I want to fight for my rights to keep my privacy for one.

SPEAKER_04 19:17

I guess my biggest if I really got down to what it is that the real underlying concern for me is if and it probably seems very counter to what it is that I'm saying. I have this huge appreciation and respect for technology in a way that I don't think other people do. And part of that huge respect and appreciation for it is that it is capable of a lot more than people seem to realize. And I have a very strong feeling that we are playing very loose and free in a lot of ways with this technology, and at some point our excessive reliance upon it is going to come back to bite us.

SPEAKER_02 20:06

Oh, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 20:08

And so I think it's just maybe my internal, you know, controls that are just trying to keep me from just allowing myself to just go with the flow and the wave of everything that's happening and coming out there because you know, I'm just you think about every time computer network goes down at work and you are helpless.

SPEAKER_01 20:31

I know, everything stops.

SPEAKER_04 20:32

You know, literally. So when you get to the point where your whole home and your whole life is controlled that way and it goes down, you know, how prepared are you to be able to manage, you know, that technology outage?

SPEAKER_01 20:53

Well, and I think about our society. You know, there's so many negatives that we hear about all the time in the news and in in life, and maybe that's part of it too. I don't know if our society is capable of handling and managing this type of thing fairly without harming others. See, you know, it's like I think of it as Star Trek Next Generation, my favorite one, okay series that they manage it well. They treat one another well, you know, there's there's um very utopian. But I I kind of look at that and think, yeah, you know, if it could be that way, whether people would do their jobs, you know, to the benefit of society and one another and all the technology that they have. But then I think, you know, we're more the as you mentioned earlier, we're talking about some things. You mentioned Skynet. We're more the that's where we're going, the apocalypse or the afternoon.

SPEAKER_04 21:55

I and it maybe just be because I'm not having conversations with the right people. Because if I saw that we were putting in place the security measures and that people were thinking through the decisions that they made, I think there's this part of me that would be that would just relax. I would relax with the fact that, okay, I don't have to worry about this for the world because everybody is understands that there are some potential, you know, but there's this part of me that just feels like, am I gonna be the person that's sitting there saying, oh, now you worried about the fact that the AI has taken over the whatever? Yeah. You didn't think about that at the beginning. I did. Nobody was listening to me when I said put in a kill switch.

SPEAKER_03 22:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 22:44

I mean, I just think that it just feels as if, and just because that's the perception, it doesn't honestly make it a reality. It feels as if we're just floating along, going along with the wave of everything that's happening, and not looking at the fact that this technology is capable of so, so, so much, and that there are people out there who don't have our best interests at heart. Yeah and with their abilities to use technology, you need to be very aware of what it is that you are giving permissions to.

SPEAKER_01 23:20

Well, and focusing on the end goal, sometimes people put blinders on, you know, and they they're not seeing the ramifications of choices that and the same thing could be said for us. Right.

SPEAKER_04 23:34

Focusing on what could be the you know, worst case scenario that we you know we could be not enjoying technology as much as we probably could at this point because we're so worried that that we're going down the Skynet road as opposed to the next generation road. And so I could see that being the argument. I I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 23:56

I mean, I again, you know, I I just felt that we needed to kind of visit this topic because we really I haven't really pinpointed what exactly it is. And I guess it's it's a wide spectrum of things for us. Control, I think that's a huge one, privacy. Um, you know, we as a society we've grown so and a so accustomed to giving away those things.

SPEAKER_03 24:21

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:21

And even look at Facebook.

SPEAKER_03 24:23

Right.

SPEAKER_01 24:23

People willingly I mean, that's a tracking device. Right? I mean, think about the article that we if you read the article the other day, um, the one that talked about how they did a uh a study and they took individuals and they were trying to use algorithms and their Facebook you know, page and you know, took photos and tried to guess what their social security number would be. And twenty-five percent of the time they got the first five digits, but that's kind of off subject. But look at Facebook, it's it is a tracking device.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

If you allow it to be.

SPEAKER_01 24:59

It puts your photo out there, people can access.

SPEAKER_04 25:02

No, you put your photo out there.

SPEAKER_01 25:04

Well, you do. But then it goes. You know, it's it's people lose sight of the fact that it's not just staying on your page. You put it out on the internet. We see people who make this mistake all the time.

SPEAKER_04 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:17

And then it's out there.

SPEAKER_04 25:19

It's there. It's there. But you determine who has access to your information. Okay. Okay, but unless, of course, you've been hacked.

SPEAKER_01 25:28

But I mean Or uh you buy the thing, you know, you buy the whole line that you have control over whatever.

SPEAKER_04 25:34

But at the same time, if you bought that line, you gave people access to whatever you gave them access to.

SPEAKER_01 25:40

And I know we have a Facebook page for Truth Unscripted. I know this.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Uh huh.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

But you know, here that's me having to kind of be uncomfortable and do things to be out there in a way that I want to be out there. Really confusing.

SPEAKER_04 25:58

So you would be very for for you to be comfortable, you know, Truth Unscripted would have to be off the grid. And then unfortunately, nobody's gonna hear us. Nobody's gonna know about us.

SPEAKER_01 26:12

Now, you know how you don't like the bunker. I'm I'm comfortable in the bunker.

SPEAKER_04 26:17

So you yes, you would live in the bunker. I already know this.

SPEAKER_01 26:21

Yeah, well, you know.

SPEAKER_04 26:22

You know, so that being said, I I I you know, I do understand a lot of what my concerns are are worst-case scenario.

SPEAKER_01 26:31

That's true.

SPEAKER_04 26:32

And a lot of it is based upon things that we see happening that were worst-case scenario. But I don't want to over overlook the benefits of technology and all of the great stuff that's happening. And I think we usually talk about those things as well. I guess the the concern is that we've seen time after time and too many times that people take something that was meant for good, and I'll use Facebook again. You know, part of the reason why Facebook is not a tracking device for myself is because I'm really on it. It doesn't matter. It really knows where I'm at or what I'm doing.

SPEAKER_01 27:11

I mean, if somebody were to search you, sure, they could pull that up easily.

SPEAKER_04 27:14

That's true. Listen, my point I'm making here is this it's all about how we use the technology, but our concerns are about the fact that there are people who have excessive amounts of skill and talent with technology who choose to use their power for evil as opposed to using it for good. And again, we can't be the world's conscience and we can't keep ourselves from appreciating and enjoying the benefits of some technology um because of what it might become or how what it might end up doing.

SPEAKER_01 27:52

Let me ask you this.

SPEAKER_04 27:54

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 27:55

If tomorrow you came into work and a condition of your employment would be that you had to be chipped, would you do it?

SPEAKER_04 28:06

Well, first of all, they're gonna have a problem with me on that because that was not a condition of my hiring.

SPEAKER_01 28:13

Well, issue or not, you had to do it. You had to do it. They said if you don't, I'm sorry, but you'll, you know, your service is no longer required.

SPEAKER_04 28:25

I'm probably gonna not have a job because I really don't like you. I don't like you I don't like ultimatums like that. Especially not when it comes to a piece of technology that I don't know what it's gonna do. And you're telling me, you're demanding. But everybody else, everybody else don't care what everybody else is.

SPEAKER_00 28:41

Standing on the side of the room.

SPEAKER_04 28:42

You're telling me now that I've got to allow you to inject my my person, my body with something. See, I was trying to end this show nice and happy and everything, and you have just gone and made me just got me fired up by telling me that I have to do something.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

I guess and and that's where I was going with this.

SPEAKER_04 29:03

I think So you're not playing fair.

SPEAKER_01 29:05

Well, I think that at some point, and this is talking about this, I have a little clarity here. One of my major points, sticking points, is at some point it isn't going to be our choice. The majority will be in favor of, and we will have to comply in order to be part of society.

SPEAKER_04 29:25

But there's always an alternative. You just you just offer me one. You let me give you the chip or you have no job.

SPEAKER_01 29:34

It's an alternative.

SPEAKER_04 29:35

It's an alternative.

SPEAKER_01 29:36

But is it an acceptable alternative?

SPEAKER_04 29:38

Well, and that's and that's that is the issue.

SPEAKER_01 29:42

And I mean, in order to maintain life as you've known it, you'll have to comply. Obviously, you could make your life worse. I mean, that's a choice.

SPEAKER_04 29:51

But in order to do that every day, though. Don't we every day we make decisions because there are things that have changed in our lives just in the last ten years that we make a educated and informed decision as to whether or not this is acceptable, an acceptable change that I'm willing to accept and make to exist in this but nothing that invasive, nothing that is not well, and that's what I'm saying. Or or or or or is it? Think about this. I'm I'm gonna go back to our debit cards. As simple as that. I'm so I'm going back to that. There was a time period when neither of us would have ever thought we would have just willingly just had a debit card. You got one.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah, but I it's not part of me. It doesn't matter. This goes back to our micro shipping discussion.

SPEAKER_04 30:47

It doesn't matter, but let me tell you what, when you first got that, when you first got that debit card, it was as technically as invasive as the chip would be today. It knew it no it knew where you were, where you shopped, what you bought. It's it's information that you would not readily at that point in time just give to anybody. You were only people that would have that is somebody that you very specifically gave that information to.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

Yeah, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 31:16

It had your bank information on it, it has all of that. And my point is that this chip feels very, very invasive.

SPEAKER_01 31:24

Mm-hmm. Well, you're thinking that people are just gonna grow accustomed to people have already grown accustomed to.

SPEAKER_04 31:30

You just said everybody else is gonna do it, and eventually that we're gonna be forced to comply.

SPEAKER_01 31:36

Well, and I can handle the peer pressure. I don't like you, obviously. Yeah, you're not gonna make it. You don't like the choice being taken away, the ultimatum. Right. And that is what I'm thinking it will eventually get to. That's the part that bothers me. That is the issue for me. The loss of control.

SPEAKER_04 31:54

So then we should just not advance in technology because ultimately it's gonna get to that.

SPEAKER_01 31:59

Well, maybe there should be limits. You know, the tracking, um, limited use of certain things. I I don't know. I mean, I think it's really out of anyone's control at this point.

SPEAKER_04 32:10

You know, my my feeling is there will be a segment of society, you know, I don't think it'll be quite Mad Max, but there will be a segment of society who rebels and lives a imitates arts. And lives a very um a less advanced lifestyle. You know, and I I I think that that'll happen.

SPEAKER_01 32:35

Well be very interesting to see what happens with uh Sophia, the female artificial artificial intelligence intelligence. Um yeah, it'll be interesting to see what'll happen in a couple of years. Maybe she'll be running for president.

SPEAKER_04 32:51

Maybe See you you getting out of control now.

SPEAKER_01 32:54

Well, I don't know. I mean you look at her and she's it's uh kind of eerie.

SPEAKER_04 32:59

It it's very eerie, but I'm I'm still not on the bandwagon that believes that that's that she is truly um uh self-aware. A self-aware AI.

SPEAKER_01 33:10

Operating on her own.

SPEAKER_04 33:11

Not I'm not there yet.

SPEAKER_01 33:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 33:13

I'm not buying that yet.

SPEAKER_01 33:15

Well, and we will we will discuss uh Sophia and her tech here coming up. Okay. So all right. Well, I uh I think this has clarified my own thoughts on why I feel the way I do about all this. I don't know about it.

SPEAKER_04 33:32

I can't say it's clarified minds. I can say that I think I've voiced some of them and maybe the audience has a better impression of why I'm headed hesitant, you know, uh about our broad and wide adoption of technology without being educated on it a little bit better. Um love the technology, embrace the technology. I just rail against doing it blindly.

SPEAKER_01 34:04

I'm with ya. So yeah. Well, we agree on that, right?

SPEAKER_04 34:10

I guess we do.

SPEAKER_01 34:13

All right. Well, where can I hit you up?

SPEAKER_04 34:19

Well, I didn't figure you were gonna come at me that way, but you can hit me up at truthunscripted.com uh on uh Twitter and you can email us at truthunscripted at gmail.com.

SPEAKER_02 34:38

And always remember Always remember the truth is out there and it's unscripted.