Deepfakes and other interesting stuff

Wow, time has flown by! This is an episode from the vault and was recorded in February 2021. 

It's May 2026 and I'm uploading a few episodes for your listening and reminiscing pleasure. Kind of prophetic and, dare I say, spot on?! Miss you Jairo and TU...

Transcript

SPEAKER_03 0:25

Welcome back to Truth Unscripted. I am Julie.

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And I am Gyro. How are you all today?

SPEAKER_03 0:33

I am doing pretty well. Standard issues, you know.

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Just standard.

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Standard issues. Uh recording setup, you know, going through the usual interesting things, dealing with the dog.

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Day-to-day life with the podcast.

SPEAKER_03 0:48

Yeah, and you know, if you hear the dog in the background, that's just an added bonus, right?

SPEAKER_04 0:53

It's a good podcast, though.

SPEAKER_03 0:55

That's right. So, Gyro, I have um been hearing a little bit about something I think you'll find interesting. Have you ever heard of geomagnetic reversal?

SPEAKER_04 1:09

In general, I have before. Um, I'm very familiar, at least, with um Earth's magnetic field, its history, and you know how it kind of plays into how it affects technology today.

SPEAKER_03 1:22

Okay. Well, that's a little bit more than I know about it.

SPEAKER_04 1:25

Oh.

SPEAKER_03 1:25

Well, I haven't you can uh well go ahead and and give us a little background on it, and then we'll talk about the story that we both read um about how the poles shifted about 42,000 years ago and created some interesting um events, I would say. So you want to give a little history?

SPEAKER_04 1:46

Sure. So for those who don't know, a magnetic sphere effectively is a barrier above our atmosphere that is used to protect the earth from supercharged particles emitted from the sun, super highly radioactive particles.

SPEAKER_01 2:02

Right.

SPEAKER_04 2:02

We have them because if we had no magnetic sphere, we would all have cancer and there would be no life on Earth because the sun is very radioactive, as helpful as it is.

SPEAKER_03 2:12

So if we suddenly had there would be cancer, but generally speaking, there'd be no life on the planet at all.

SPEAKER_04 2:19

Correct. The Earth would be a very inhospitable radioactive wasteland.

SPEAKER_00 2:24

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 2:24

And nobody wants that, unfortunately.

SPEAKER_00 2:26

No. But unfortunately.

SPEAKER_04 2:29

Unfortunately, no. I think everybody wants a good working magnetosphere. But in the past, especially if you go up to the uh Arctic area, the ball the the Nordic areas, I should say, you can see the Aurora Borealis, which, while it's pretty as it looks, that is this literally the sun trying to destroy our atmosphere.

SPEAKER_03 2:48

Yeah, it's on my bucket list. I really want to get up there and uh see that one day. Have you seen those um this is a side subject here, but have you seen the igloos that are made of essentially their glass, and you can rent those so you can see the Aurora Boreales. They're like hotels, aren't they? They are, they're like these little pods. Looks amazing.

SPEAKER_04 3:10

I know it's like there's it's like a thousand a night, but I think it would be worth it just to see like the stars and stuff.

SPEAKER_00 3:16

So yeah, absolutely. Okay, sorry.

SPEAKER_04 3:18

No, you're fine. But uh that more or less is in general what a magnetosphere is, it's just a barrier to protect us from the sun's wrath in a way. It's not always sunshine, sometimes it's a little bit less shine, more pain. So, but that is what what that magnetosphere does.

SPEAKER_03 3:35

Yeah, okay. Well, that's that's interesting. Okay. So um basically, this is out of um this there was a study done by the University of New South Wales in Australia and by Chris Turney, I think is the guy's name. And they found that they could look at radiocarbon that was preserved in ancient tree rings to see when there have been spikes in carbon, um, radioactive carbon in our history. And they found that about 42,000 years ago, there was a shift in the magnetic poles that caused um climate breakdown, mass extinction, and changes in human behavior. Um I d I don't know. I mean, it says changes in human behavior. I don't know what they would have been able to gauge from that necessarily.

SPEAKER_04 4:32

But I believe the article mentioned because there was an increase uh that that event is called the Landshamp event, I believe, where uh happened forty two thousand years ago and it lasted for about eight hundred years. But during that period there was an increased amount of radioactivity on the planet, an increased amount of sunlight primarily. So I believe that change might be referring to people seeking more shelter in caves.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

Ah, that's so that's where the cave paintings come into this.

SPEAKER_04 5:01

Correct, because due to the increase in uh you know sunlight, they were probably experiencing skin issues.

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And drove underground.

SPEAKER_04 5:10

Unfortunately, they became mole people. This is where the first mole people came, by the way. That's how you know it's truth unscripted. They won't tell you that.

SPEAKER_03 5:17

But mole people. Okay. But yeah. You might have to go into that a little bit more.

SPEAKER_04 5:24

See, that's that's for our other podcast, the one where I talk about made-up things.

SPEAKER_03 5:28

Ah, okay. Or conspiracy kind of things.

SPEAKER_04 5:32

Exactly. It's a conspiracy unless it's true, right? See, see?

SPEAKER_03 5:35

There you go. That's right. Um, okay, so people were dri driven underground because of this. Um and there's also some mention that it may have caused the extinction or led to extinction of the dinosaurs. Was that also in there? I heard that somewhere.

SPEAKER_04 5:50

Well, the Landshamp event itself, I don't believe would have done that since the extinction happened, you know, millions of years ago. But I do believe that a good point.

SPEAKER_02 6:01

I just want to throw the chronology in there. I did say something about the dinosaurs and this, so um, I don't know. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 6:11

I think they want to tie it because um from what I understand, and don't don't take this from me, I'm not a paleontologist or all that stuff, but I do have a I do have an interest in reading and figuring out what's in between the lines. And from what I understand with the asteroid impact, it was obviously super chaotic. Um, but a big point is when the asteroid hit, it tore a hole in our ozone layer. So I believe they're making a comparison that the damage done is comparable to what may have happened.

SPEAKER_03 6:44

Ah, okay. All right, well, that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04 6:47

That's just speculation, mostly.

SPEAKER_03 6:48

Yeah, okay. Well that that makes sense. I can go with that. Okay, so anyway, um, it's just an interesting thing. So do you have anything else to add about that?

SPEAKER_04 7:00

Yes, uh, it's because the that event and the previous um opener discussing the magnetosphere, it opens a topic into disturbances in our magnetosphere and how long they've actually have been happening on our planet. So there's a term called geomagnetic storms, which doesn't sound I know it sounds like something way more apocalyptic, but it's effectively just our magnetic shield being weakened.

SPEAKER_03 7:31

Wasn't wasn't there a movie out called Geostorm? A terrible movie, by the way.

SPEAKER_04 7:37

It is if you enjoy low budget sci-fi movies, yeah, that's your movie.

SPEAKER_03 7:42

Yeah, but that's the kind of the idea that all of these climate changes and things that happen as a result of damage.

SPEAKER_04 7:49

And that's the thing, is that normally a weakened magnetosphere, you'd think, why would it affect the climate? But you that's more of the reason. Of course it would affect the climate. All this radiation can't be good for our weather systems here. And it you have superheated atmospheres leading to superheated storms, and then you have you know impacts from increased storm activity, so it leads to increased rain, increased flooding, and you just change the entire the entire biosphere and ecosystem of the planet. Right. So but that that's why we um well we ourselves here at the podcast, we can't ourselves make changes towards uh uh what's what I'm looking for, advocacy or interests in the magnetosphere, but it is imperative that people at least become aware of it because it will become a problem one day in the future.

SPEAKER_03 8:40

Right. So this this is um so I guess one of the things that I took from this is we are damaging the ozone layer. So if we don't cut back on that, the damage that may come from shifting of the poles at some future date will just create more chaos. So we really do need to get a handle on it on this side of things too. I think it's helpful.

SPEAKER_04 9:05

Yeah, it has to be more than just a small group, it has to be a almost global societal effort to preserve, you know, the Earth's natural defenses.

SPEAKER_00 9:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 9:17

Because there's no amount of technology we have that can defend us against a powerful solar storm. In fact, that actually touches on another topic because these storms, they there's one specifically in 1859 called the Carrington event, and that's when people were able to see Aurora Borealises all the way in the Caribbeans. And for a storm that big, that just shows you how much matter was emitted from the sun and how much it fried the uh magnetosphere in that that period in 1859.

SPEAKER_03 9:49

Must have freaked people out.

SPEAKER_04 9:50

It didn't.

SPEAKER_03 9:51

I can imagine.

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You're just in the you know, chilling in the the Bahamas, and then you see like, oh, there's lights in the sky.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

Yeah, I can imagine.

SPEAKER_04 10:00

And for other scientists, though, they were like, This is not good.

SPEAKER_02 10:04

Because they're seeing No, this is not good.

SPEAKER_04 10:07

They're seeing magnetic spikes go up here. It's like, well, we probably should probably should pay attention to that. It's probably what they were thinking. But that just goes to show you that these events can and will happen again and likely on a much bigger scale.

SPEAKER_03 10:23

Right. Well, and that kind of leads me into you know, the talk about carbon and decreasing carbon emissions. Um Elon Musk has well, he's kind of partnered with X Prize Foundation. Have you heard about this competition?

SPEAKER_04 10:39

No, I haven't, no.

SPEAKER_03 10:40

They are awarding a hundred million dollars in a carbon capture contest. That uh the contest is kicking off on Earth Day this year, April 22nd. Um and it's a four-year contest, and basically they're gonna have 15 teams that they're gonna select. They're gonna provide them with a million dollars to fund their research. Um but at the end, the first place person is going or first place team is gonna receive fifty million dollars, uh, second place twenty million, and third ten million. But the goal is to release, uh not to release, but to remove carbon from the atmosphere.

SPEAKER_04 11:26

How do they plan on doing that as as far as like what approach would they be using?

SPEAKER_03 11:32

Well, I don't know. I mean that's that's the thing. That they are trying to generate some new ideas about how to do that. It's really complex. Um to remove or store away, so to speak, carbon um for up to a hundred years. So I don't know. It's um gonna be really interesting to see what teams come up with.

SPEAKER_04 11:56

I imagine it would work like an air purifier where it just, you know, absorbs pollutants and emits pollutant-free air after it's purified it, but obviously on a much bigger scale.

SPEAKER_03 12:07

Yeah, and I I don't know. Um I think it's more complex than that. I don't know. I mean that seems what you've said seems logical to a point, but if that's the case, if it's that easy, why aren't they doing it already?

SPEAKER_04 12:20

Well, um, but I could always say, you know, money is the mother of all inventions, unfortunately, next to necessity.

SPEAKER_03 12:28

Um Well, this is kind of a necessity too. It will be. I mean it has to.

SPEAKER_04 12:33

And that's another point that I'll I'll actually just touch on this in general. See, why does it always take something that brings our society to its knees for changes to finally happen? Don't you think that's the problem that no true change ever happens until imminent death is a s is almost you know, made certain.

SPEAKER_03 12:54

Yeah, are you referring to what specifically?

SPEAKER_04 12:58

Well, it's I mean, I know you're talking generally, but I mean the case of this this project you mentioned, I I I could see them developing it, but I could see the people needing to back said development, financial backers, not getting invested until saying, Well, yeah, we're probably all gonna die if we don't do something in the next year. So here's all this money to do something.

SPEAKER_00 13:18

Right.

SPEAKER_04 13:18

That just highlights a bigger issue that nothing ever changes or improves significantly unless until your hands to the fire kind of thing. Exactly. I was like, well, why?

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Yeah, and I guess I'm not surprised that Elon would be, you know, kind of pushing this along. I mean, all of the rockets that he's launching is creating a lot of carbon emissions, let's put it that way. So, you know, he's he's a contributor.

SPEAKER_04 13:43

It's for the sake of exploration, right?

SPEAKER_03 13:45

So yeah, it's for a lot of things, and that's that's another podcast too. But um, but yeah, I mean I can see why there would be interest in that. Um better late than never.

SPEAKER_04 13:55

I hope so.

SPEAKER_03 13:56

I mean, I guess something's late is sometimes it's too late. Too late. So yeah, but interesting stuff. Um I will be interested to see what the ideas are. Hopefully they'll share that information.

SPEAKER_04 14:10

Oh well, they'll probably likely it could be a good segment for a future episode.

SPEAKER_03 14:14

So it's it's gonna be a four-year process, so competition. Um so anyway, if you're interested and you have good ideas on that, contact the X Prize Foundation.

SPEAKER_04 14:26

X Prize, excellent.

SPEAKER_03 14:27

Yeah. So you had mentioned something earlier that is really interesting.

SPEAKER_04 14:37

Oh yes.

SPEAKER_03 14:38

Um, I gotta stop saying interesting. I've I I everything's interesting to me today, so I apologize.

SPEAKER_04 14:44

We are in the business of talking about interesting things.

SPEAKER_03 14:48

Oh, but I'm like, that's interesting, that's interesting. You can say fascinating or riveting or yeah, I'll try and and move it uh, you know, move it around a little bit. Okay.

SPEAKER_04 14:57

But effectively, uh yes. Um synthetic media or deep fakes as it's known more colloquially. But deep fakes, yeah. I'm sure some of y'all have at least heard of the term deep fake, but in a nutshell, it's just made up computer generated media. And media is very varied. Not just what you see on the news, but media includes what you hear through music, what you read, anything that you can absorb through some other type of medium is effectively media, hence why the words are very closely related. But synthetic media or deep fakes are a not a I can't say they're a very recent thing, at least in the way that we have them. Now, of course they're recent because they're generated through computers, but falsifying information has been a a staple of humanity since the beginning.

SPEAKER_00 15:54

Right.

SPEAKER_04 15:55

So, you know.

SPEAKER_00 15:56

You don't say, yeah, it has.

SPEAKER_04 15:58

Nothing new about faking things. Right. But it's gotten to a point of how good we can fake it.

SPEAKER_03 16:03

Yeah, through computers. Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_04 16:07

I mean, there's you could take images of world leaders from that died hundreds of years ago and make it seem as they're talking on a com on a on a on a screen, and that's that's jarring, and it looks so lifelike. So it's not just CGI or or an artist animating this, it's somebody It looks legit.

SPEAKER_03 16:27

Like that is that person speaking. And that I think is mimicking the voice and and gestures and everything.

SPEAKER_04 16:34

And there's a host of implications that come with this.

SPEAKER_03 16:37

Uh a lot of them tend to be criminal, but well, I mean, and there's an argument too, I think that the intention of that in general lies in criminal or deviant thought. I mean, a lot of this um the first time I really heard about this was a few years ago, and it was when um celebrities were being featured in supposedly featured in pornographic films and pictures, um, but they were deep fakes. Uh so that's that's a deviant side to it for sure.

SPEAKER_04 17:13

It's always the component going behind the person making it. Right. So with deep fakes, you could there's a potential obviously for to do malicious things where you can misrepresent people, you can, you know, effectively alter history to make it seem as though it happened the way you did.

SPEAKER_03 17:33

And or future events, you know, if you're talking national security.

SPEAKER_04 17:37

Correct.

SPEAKER_03 17:38

Um, if you were to create a deep fake of the president saying something, you know.

SPEAKER_04 17:44

And that's where the inherent danger is, is that you know, you could someone you don't even know could be falsifying an entire livelihood for you. And then you know, you encounter that and you're like, well, that's not me. Well, is it? What is the truth besides perception?

SPEAKER_03 18:01

Yeah, how do you prove that?

SPEAKER_04 18:03

And so that's where this top this conversation now goes into more and more of ethics and the morality of media.

SPEAKER_03 18:13

Yeah, and you know, there needs to be some regulation on internet, media, whatever we're talking about in this cyber world. And that's one of the problems right now is there's not enough or any regulation. Um so I don't know, putting yourself in a position if you imagine this happens to you, and you find out, I don't know, through the internet somehow that you have a deep fake out there saying any crazy thing. How would you feel about that? How would you react? What would you do? Um, how could you ever fix that?

SPEAKER_04 18:56

And that's that's really where the problem is, these victims, because this borders on identity theft and slander when you're taking someone's image and making them say things they otherwise would not or have not been known to say.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Right.

SPEAKER_04 19:10

So that is where you know that criminal aspect comes in. Like, can you take legal action on this? Because is this not identity theft? But is it? They don't have your social security number, they don't have your banking information, they don't have this, but they have you.

SPEAKER_03 19:25

They have your face, they have your voice.

SPEAKER_04 19:27

And that just goes to show you what are our freedoms and what are our limits, what are our securities. Are our face is private? Can someone else take your face and make it their own thing? Does it become art or does it become uh illegal activity? And that is where this line, you know, with synthetic media is very hard to discern. It's a very blurred line. You don't know where to draw the limitations.

SPEAKER_03 19:49

I mean, I don't I don't feel it's blurred. I mean, I think my face is my property belongs to me.

SPEAKER_04 19:55

Well, your physical face or an image of your face? I mean, I think an image of your face does not belong to the person who took the photo.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

Yeah, it gets complicated. It does.

SPEAKER_04 20:10

And that's why it's hard to say is this.

SPEAKER_03 20:12

I mean, I I would still say yes, I think it's my property, but you know, even with a photograph, people can do whatever they want.

SPEAKER_04 20:18

Exactly. So yeah, it's That's why in a court of law, we're you know, we're not legal experts here, so don't take our advice, but you know, I can't really tell you what ha what you would do if you were trying to take somebody to court for your using a deep fake, you know, uh against you in some way. Now, if they've you know slided you as far as affecting you financially or some way like that, of course, then you have a venue to pursue legal action. But if someone's just using your face and that you're just promoting the stupidest things on some random site, well, like, you know, you have a different court to win, not one in law, but one of public opinion.

SPEAKER_03 21:00

So and that's yeah, because there's no regulation right now for it.

SPEAKER_04 21:04

Correct. That's what makes this super dangerous, is because there's no techniques to kind of undo this you would through other types of fraud.

SPEAKER_03 21:13

Yeah, yeah. Well, and it's frightening. I mean, it kind of goes back to what you said a few minutes ago about you know, actions only taken when something catastrophic happens. And if there were a case where a political figure, a deep fake political figure made a statement that put us in a very uh dangerous position with other countries, you know, politically. Um I don't know. At that point I guess somebody would do something, I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 21:50

That's the thing that's what you know all these national security agencies are concerned, is that they can they're just waiting for someone to do something atrocious. And then like we mentioned, then they'll take action once the atrocious thing has happened.

SPEAKER_03 22:06

Well, in financial markets too. Imagine somebody coming out and deepfake saying, I don't know, could turn it upside down, could crash finance.

SPEAKER_04 22:17

I see those are all the well, one of the all the many negative aspects of deepfakes. Now I'm not arguing necessarily are there positive ones. I would say there are some that are not necessarily entwined with criminal activity. So for example, let's say people recovering in therapy and people that have, for example, social or like social behavior disorders. They can't interact with people properly. But what about using a fake person to simulate the ideas and environment of talking to a real person? Could they work out their issues that way? Or would that cause future problems as actually relating to humans or images of humans that they've seen through deep fakes? So again, I guess why I'm not saying there's a positive necessarily, but there are other venues outside of criminal execution.

SPEAKER_03 23:10

Yeah, and that's interesting. I mean, I wonder how that the the long-term effects of that. You know, would it increase or decrease issues over time? Um, like you said, communication-wise. Because I think, you know, when you were first saying that, it was like, yeah, that that's a good point. I mean, maybe that would be helpful. But I can also see the downside to that, which is I think it's best to learn to work with what you have, so to speak. Learn to um function that way. I don't know. I I would have to see that play out a little bit. I don't know, is that being used anywhere to your knowledge?

SPEAKER_04 23:50

Do they use it in therapies or see the only the closest thing that I could likely compare it to is because a deep fake is more or less a less refined form of AI. Because AI itself is just fake intelligence. Right. But programmed with human components. So the only difference is that the deep fake is a visual representation where AI is just voice through a machine through a a voice through a machine. So likely combining both of those two would be, you know, that's where we start drawing another ethical line of what is frightening, is what it would be. Like what is human and what is not human. So and the thing is like I I can't say as far as you know, people not interacting with the physical person is not a mainstream thing, because we do that all the time. We we face time, we watch countless YouTube whatever. I mean, we're used to seeing other images of people that we assume are real in front of us. What stops a deep fake from you know getting in the way. And of course we can say, well, yeah, there's news people and everyone saw them and all this, but obviously truth is all perspective. So it is. That's everything I could be saying right now could be a complete and total fabrication.

SPEAKER_03 25:05

You may be a deep fake.

SPEAKER_04 25:06

I could be a deep fake.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

This entire deep fake.

SPEAKER_04 25:09

This whole podcast could not even be happening right now. They're just using fake voices. But how do you prove it?

unknown 25:17

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 25:18

You don't, or you can't until you unless you're literally right here next to us, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:23

Right, right.

SPEAKER_04 25:24

But again, going back to that other topic, it's just the makes everything really confusing and complex, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_03 25:33

When you don't you don't really have any assurance that what you're seeing or hearing is true. I mean, there's no wonder society right now is just it's just been chaos.

SPEAKER_04 25:44

Well, see, right now we're going the US primarily, but um I think this is happening in other developed countries too, but there seems to be this wave of anti-intellectualism. Um it's been discussed a lot in the news that people just don't seem to trust science and education as much as they should. Um that's because people are very reactionary. They want when something happens, you know, we're in we're programmed to immediately have some kind of internal and external response. And given this coronavirus, you know, we've been seeing, you know, kind of the true nature of some people emerge of like, well, these people never really had faith to begin with in these things. And that's kind of what I believe is happened is that it's it's always been here. It's just this this virus served to unmask it more or less. But and I want to highlight that's a problem because we should not be against intelligence. That is how we as a species progress by learning from our mistakes.

SPEAKER_03 26:50

So Yeah, but we're I think one of the things is we're not relying on ourselves for learning. In a lot of cases, um people go right to the internet, you know, the almighty Google asking the question, it's like, are we getting a truthful, correct, factual answer? We we put a lot of stock in that, we put a lot of faith in that. But how certain can we be?

SPEAKER_04 27:18

Well, see, it's our uncertainty that drove us to seek out those answers, right?

SPEAKER_03 27:22

So it's that dependency and that reliance on that information that I think is flawed. Um possibly.

SPEAKER_04 27:32

Oh, it depends who it's coming from, but like it's a like we've been talking here, we don't know who it's coming from.

SPEAKER_03 27:37

So it kind of it's just uh down the rabbit hole, round and round we go.

SPEAKER_04 27:41

I mean, and just as a thought exercise, what if it all was just fake generated information? But if everyone perceives it at the truth, well, what's the difference then? So enough people you tell a lie and enough people believe it, it's still the truth.

SPEAKER_03 27:55

Right. That's correct, yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:56

So it's just true.

unknown 27:59

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 27:59

I don't want to make it seem like it's a prognosis of doom and gloom and you can't trust everyone, but you know, the truth is all is always a hundred percent from your perspective a hundred percent of the time. And you interpret the truth through a filter of your own reasoning and your own ways of seeing the world.

SPEAKER_03 28:18

Your own experience, your own life, your own Yeah, that's true. And I don't know, it's scary too to think that computers and systems know us so well now that answers could be targeted based on what you are kind of predetermined to believe. I was thinking about the whole Google thing still. How uh you were you were gonna say. No, go ahead. Yeah, I don't think you want to hear the the yeah. But anyway, I I just um it's definitely gonna be something that we are gonna be faced with more and more. You know, the deep fake part of it too. So anyway, uh the deep fake thing and just what can we trust. Um I think we're all in that place right now. And coronavirus, we've been struggling with that all year. Um what to believe, what not to believe. The story changes constantly, and everybody believes something else, you know. You have a group who who believe that the coronavirus was developed in a lab, and people who were trying to quiet that narrative, uh, and then people who, you know, on and on it goes. There are so many theories about it. What's true anymore?

SPEAKER_04 29:48

And that it another point I wanted to make prior is like it's just the irony that we're concerned about always knowing the truth, but we've created systems to subvert that. Yeah. So it's interesting that we choose to make our own problems and then choose to find our own problems. It's almost like we're as a species, we're very bored because since we're no longer, you know, constantly fighting to survive, I can't say that for everybody, but as a whole, we're no longer preoccupied with not trying to die in the woods somewhere. Now that we have these super complacent, super cosmopolitan lives, well, we need something to be mad or confused about. Why not make the truth the thing to be mad or confused about?

SPEAKER_03 30:33

And the problems we're creating don't have easy solutions. They're extremely complex. And you know, like we've said, what do you do with this deep fake stuff? You know, they do become more uh moral, ethical questions. Um so time will tell.

SPEAKER_04 30:52

Yeah, it will. I always think like, well, one day when our electric, our dependency on electricity somehow just vanishes, what will we do as a society then? What will happen to the human race? Because deep fakes, technology, media, no matter what it is, it needs electricity to run. And if all that goes away, well, we're set back to the stone ages effectively.

SPEAKER_03 31:14

Yeah, I don't I don't know when that would happen, though. I I don't see that in our lifetime.

SPEAKER_04 31:18

I can't say it'll happen like as a natural event. If anything, it would be some kind of weaponized apocalyptic thing.

SPEAKER_03 31:25

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:25

Some kind of mass EMT thingy.

SPEAKER_03 31:29

A tragedy, uh some kind of thing that would we wouldn't willingly give it up. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 31:35

It'd be something done out of our control. Likely someone with a lot of money in power did something very stupid and ruined it for everybody. That's human history in a nutshell for everyone else listening, but yeah.

SPEAKER_03 31:49

Yeah, someone makes a bad decision and ruins it for everybody. Unfortunately. Well, I think that about sums it out.

SPEAKER_04 31:58

I think so too. I'm out of my deep fake knowledge for now, so I'll have to get more more later. If I can trust you, right?

SPEAKER_03 32:06

That is the question. Alright, well, you know what they say.

SPEAKER_04 32:12

What do they say, Julie?

SPEAKER_01 32:14

The truth is out there.

SPEAKER_04 32:17

And unscripted.

SPEAKER_00 32:19

And it's unscripted.

SPEAKER_04 32:20

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 32:21

And it may not be truthful either. We don't know.

SPEAKER_04 32:23

That's right, it could be deep fake truth. Uh see ya. Bye, guys. Thank you.