Cloning and Your Brain

Wow, time has flown by! This is an episode from the vault and was recorded in March 2018. 

It's May 2026 and I'm uploading a few episodes for your listening and reminiscing pleasure. Kind of prophetic and, dare I say, spot on?! Miss you Melvin and TU...

Transcript

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Welcome. Settle in. It's time for your weekly dose of Truth Unscripted.

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Welcome back to Truth Unscripted. I am Julie.

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And I'm Melvin. Welcome back, listeners.

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Hey, Melvin. Hey, what's happening? Oh, so much is going on. I don't even know where to start.

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Well, we gotta start somewhere, so where do we start?

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We are starting with Barbara Streisand.

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Barbara Streisand.

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Yes. It's an unusual start to our show, I know.

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Yeah.

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But she's been up to something. And she just revealed it in an interview with Variety Magazine. Do you know what that is?

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No, what's Barbara up to?

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Barbara has been cloning her dogs.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Barbara is into cloning now.

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She is into cloning.

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All right then.

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And this surprised me for a couple of reasons. One, didn't know Barbara was into that kind of thing, but okay, I get it. She has a dog that she loved apparently a lot. Um dog that was 14 years old and died last year.

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Okay.

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Dog's name was Samantha. So apparently Barbara paid for this to be done. Scientists took a swab from the dog's mouth and stomach and cloned it and created, I believe, is it two other dogs?

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Two, two dogs. Two dogs.

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Okay. So uh that surprised me, I guess, um, that Barbara was involved just hearing her come out and that'd be a little blurb of the interview. But I didn't really realize that cloning was legal in that sense. Did you know that?

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Well, now that you mention it that way, I So I think the dog's names were Violet and Miss Scarlet.

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Yeah, Miss Violet.

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The movies.

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And Miss Scarlet.

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But anyway, to your question. And no, I was not uh aware that it was legal. And does this mean that it's legal?

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Well, I don't know. I I think that it's a good question.

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It's a great question.

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I mean, we know that the question's always been out there, is it ethical?

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Right.

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But legality about this, I I don't know that I've heard anything about it.

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I mean, she just dropped us in an interview, which was kind of interesting. I thought there was a dollar amount attached to There was, and there is, apparently.

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It's fifty thousand dollars. So to clone your dog.

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Now, she got two dogs out of it.

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Yeah, but I think it probably cost her a hundred thousand.

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You think it was fifty thousand per?

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It is, yeah.

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That's crazy.

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Well, I mean, it's Barbara Streisand, she's got the cash, right?

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For fifty thousand dollars, she could have went and bought two more dogs.

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Well, apparently she's got too much cash. Well, because if you're cloning your dog.

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I mean, because let's let's be realistic. It's not like they brought her original dog back to life.

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Well, it looks like it's identical, yeah.

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It it looks like her dog.

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But she does say that it has a different personality.

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Both of them have different personalities.

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Yeah, so I don't know what the point is.

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Well, I mean it She wanted it, she can say that they are in essence her dog.

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But if it's a different personality, I think you would I think you would clone something in the hopes that it would be similar in personality and nature and all of those things. If we're talking just appearance here, I don't I don't understand the desire to do that.

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Well, you gotta understand too, I'm I'm I'm fairly certain, I'm guessing, she didn't know what she was gonna get.

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Well, how's that?

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Well, I mean it unless she's had other animals cloned.

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Well, but they have been cloning for a while, so they these scientists have some indication of how this is gonna turn out.

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Sure. But here's what I'm saying. You clone Dolly the sheep, it's one thing.

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Yeah, and that was in nineteen ninety-six about.

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But you clone a domesticated dog, it's a little different because I don't know how many people have pet sheep that they live with that they get to know their personalities, but I don't think that that's one of the things that you pick up very quickly from the sheep. Whereas with the dog that you've had 14 years, yeah, there's an expectation of what the personality might be.

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Well I think a lot of people would disagree with you. Okay, well. Because animals have personality.

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Yeah, but that's what I'm saying, though. It it's a there's an I don't think that the researchers have spent 14 years developing that developing that bond with anything that they've cloned to be able to recognize, you know, Dolly one is not quite the same as Dolly Two.

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Oh, I don't know. Well, they were South Korean researchers, by the way. And they were the first ones to clone a dog, and it was in 2005.

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Okay.

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And I guess it took three years and a thousand eggs to achieve it. Um and they ended up with a male Afghan hound named Snuppy, which stands for Seoul National University Puppy.

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Wow.

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Yeah. So then they ended up partnering with a California company in 2008, and they made plans to auction off a chance to clone five dogs.

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Off of Snuppy?

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I'm not sure if it was off of Snuppy, but they they made plans to auction off the opportunity to clone dogs.

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Okay, so five people or or five chances to clone a dog.

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Right. Right. I don't know if Snuppy was involved. It's possible. Okay. With a name like Snuppy.

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You know. He might have some personality issues as a result of that name, I'm just saying. But anyway.

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But anyway. So uh I don't know how I feel about cloning animals. Uh and then you think about people and uh I don't know.

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Well see, for now, let's just keep it at animals. You know, we don't want to start going because it looked took them how long to get the the dog cloning to work.

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Well, and I'm sure there's work going on secretly somewhere, some lab somewhere cloning.

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You're not gonna make me believe that it hasn't been attempted, that it may not even have been achieved at some level. But so what are your misgivings about cloning Snuppy?

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Well, I think that I am always I always come back to the idea of spiritually, spirituality with cloning.

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We're talking about a dog.

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Does the dog whatever is cloned, does it have a soul? Does it have a consciousness in the same way that well and you and and you're looking at me like No, no, no.

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I'm I'm gonna I'm we're probably gonna and that's the reason why I say we're not talking about people yet, officially. For those of you out there, I'm making air quotes, officially we're not talking about people because we, you know, well, I'm kind of talking about people because I think I think the larger when you're talking about cloning, the larger questions for that. Your mind tells you that the the intent for doing this with Snuppy is so that we can do it ultimately with Willie over there.

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And here's the here's the time to be thinking about that now before it's a common practice. We need to think about those things now. I want to know do these clones is it possible for them to have a soul? The consciousness of a human being born.

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Well, you know, we've had this conversation a little bit when I discussed the issue of in vitro fertilization. You know, or and granted, I'm not I want to make sure when I say that that I'm not comparing that no one thinks I'm comparing that to cloning a dog. My point was is that it was not um the child was not conceived naturally, and so in a lot of cases it there's that similarity that people want to make of there was human interaction besides the normal human interaction that's required to create a baby. So, you know, you have that, but I'm gonna go with I don't struggle with whether or not the dog has a soul. It sounds kind of ridiculous, no, it doesn't, it's not a ridiculous thing. I mean, I mean I think it I understand where you're going with it. I don't struggle with that so much from the standpoint of whether or not the dog has a soul. I'm I'm more concerned about how we are treating that animal, regardless of you know, whether we can answer that question or not, or whether or not it's a question that's up for debate.

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I I I just come back to that when I think of cloning, and that's kind of my issue. If we don't have concerns about and I guess dealing with animals obviously is is very different than people.

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Absolutely.

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But I can't really discuss this topic without thinking of people. Absolutely. And there are different considerations, you know. Obviously, with animals, I'm not as concerned about the soul aspect. Um, I'm not concerned about the lack of personality or whatever that may not be transferred in that process. With people I am, and uh I don't know.

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You know, I th i I agree. I think one of the the to me, one of the fears, well, first of all, it's the fact that we are putting ourselves in a position of God so much these days, or we want to with the things that we think we can do. And the question for me always is even if you find a way to do something, should you?

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Right.

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And that's that's the bigger question when we start talking about people. Because realistically speaking, what would be the purpose in cloning myself or yourself or Albert Einstein for that for that matter, if the reality of it is is that you're not going to end up with another Albert Einstein. There are those that would say, but isn't it worth the chance? Well, is it?

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Well, I know people who would say that they would like to clone their husband or wife. Maybe back uh, I don't know, at some point in their life, they would like to clone them and have a second person around. I don't know. Do you not know those people?

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Lord knows, I hope I don't, you know. I mean, I I think one of me running around is more than enough for my wife to deal with, and I think she would be in trouble to have two of me running around.

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Well, we should get her in here and then.

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We will have to get her in here and get her opinion on that. But the reality of it is for me, you don't know what you're going to get. And so you could greatly so now so so so let's have that conversation. You create another version of hubby. And then it just isn't him. Yeah. What are you gonna do?

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Well, I don't know.

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Well, you got him now. You've got him now.

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You cloned him. I guess I kick him out and he goes off and does what? Gets a job and has a life somewhere else. I don't know. And does what?

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And so here's the other question on that. When you when they clone the this second hubby, is he going through I mean, are you raisining?

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Yeah, it they're not cloned uh at a certain age. Yeah, I know.

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So it's just weird and creepy and and bizarre in that whole line of conversation.

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It is very bizarre.

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It's just not right.

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But oftentimes cloning is talked about in terms of uh organs, you know, cloning for the use of organs. Yeah, that's a whole nother talk show. And I don't know what else the purpose would be unless there's some medical reason. It it would complicate things and and be crazy and and ridiculous in some way, cloning people just because Yes, I'm you mean yes.

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Um am I going to clone myself as an insurance policy so that if my heart goes bad, bad kidney, bad liver, the left eye stops working, all of that's ridiculous.

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So you what if you find out that your clone that clones of people don't have a soul, that they are a blank canvas, they would it matter then?

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Yes, it would still matter because first of all, there's not a human on this planet. There's not a I don't care how scientifically advanced he is that can tell me whether or not you have a soul.

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Well, what if all indication doesn't matter with all indication fact what it doesn't matter with all indication brain activity?

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You cannot prove that to me.

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Yeah. You know what if well I mean, what if there was no function? Let's go with that. You know, what if it is just the shell?

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Let's go with that. You have a car accident no, no, no. Someone has a car accident tomorrow. And they are now brain dead.

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Yeah.

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Does that mean that they no longer have a soul?

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Well, I don't know. Oh, I mean, and that kind of takes us into our next conversation.

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Well, we're gonna get to that, but I'm gonna tell you if they had one before that accident, just because they are no longer able to communicate with you, it does not mean until death. Yeah, there you go.

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But our next topic of conversation goes right in line with that.

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But then let's just roll right on into the next topic because you got me fired up now.

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Yeah. And what do you, in your opinion, before we get into this topic, what do you think is currently what is utilized to say death? Death has occurred at To me when you're brain dead. When you're brain dead.

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And when I say brain dead, yes, when you're brain dead, when there is no brain activity.

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Okay. Because I think a lot of people think it's when your heart stops. No. And new research is showing that your brain can continue functioning up to five minutes or so after your heart has stopped. So the conventional thinking is, you know, is changing a little bit. But you've always thought that.

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I've always felt like it was when you were brain dead. You know, because they're able to keep your heart going, right, keep you breathing on a, you know, respirator and so forth and so on, and your body other bodily functions can continue to work to a certain degree with assistance. But once your brain is dead and they have determined there is no activity and you are not coming back, I'm willing to accept at that point that you are deceased. And I say willing to accept because of the very simple fact, I don't know that maybe our uh technology and our equipment is just not fine-tuned enough at this stage of the game to recognize lower levels of activity.

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You know, well, it's interesting because studies have revealed that prior to death, there's something that happens which is actually an increase in activity.

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Right.

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Called it's called spreading depression.

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Right.

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And it's kind of it's described as a final wave of electrical activity, and that's just before the brain shuts down.

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Right.

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I find that really interesting. You know, I've always wondered how long the brain can continue to function, and who's to say that after this flurry of activity that it can't, like you're saying, there aren't imperceptible things happening that we're not picking up or and it calls into question a lot of things.

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For example, somebody who's on a donor list or somebody who has um donate has listed that they're going to donate organs when it has been determined that their heart has stopped, right? They cannot be resuscitated, and that they are they have given the time of death, they begin in in a lot of cases harvesting organs.

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Which I have to say, when I read about this, I'm an organ donor. When I read about this, I thought, man, I really had to change that because I don't want that's a terrible thing. What? To think that you're not really gone yet, and your organs are. They are harvesting those. I under I mean, I obviously I'm an organ donor, I understand the importance of that.

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Right.

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But I want a chance, you know, I want my full opportunity to to come back if I'm going to. Well, I mean, not you're not going to do it without a heart.

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And I think that's part of your living will and part of your will and that whole thing of you know, I guess you you need to put a clause in there that says you can't start you can't start harvesting for 15 minutes after that.

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Yeah, but there's there's a viability issue there, and in order to use these organs, they have to do so as quickly as possible.

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And I understand. Um so it it's I get it. Because see, here's the here's the thing that happens, and you gotta think about it. When that heart stops, their focus is now on saving other lives.

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Right.

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You know, you're lost cause at that point to them, and so I hate to think of it that way, but well, I mean, and and I said it kind of rudely like that because you are no longer the focus at that point. The focus is now saving other lives because you've made yourself a donor, and you and and and you are now in the position to help save somebody else. And so the decision has been made, they've caught they've made the time of death, right, and they're moving on from you.

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Well, and it's your circulatory system that's stopped. We're not talking about the brain activity. Right. I'm just kind of back to that.

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There was some really interesting and and uh a little bit disturbing things about that because one of the things that people are now questioning is the fact that if there's brain activity for an an additional five minutes and they begin that harvesting right away, they're saying they don't give you anesthesia.

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Oh, yes, yeah.

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You know, you're uh they just go in.

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So you are you're saying that your brain may actually be aware of that happening.

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Although that's some of the that's some of the comments and some of the dialogue now that that information is out there, so is that wait a minute, you know, may it's still worth treating them like a patient, isn't it? And giving them something for pain, and especially now if we're not sure what the body still experiences.

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Well, and I guess if you are in a position where your organs are gonna be harvested. I hate to use that word. Well, yeah. But I guess that's that's appropriate. Um, you are likely to have medication in your system anyway. Very true. Now I don't know if it's gonna be pain medication, but I think it's possible.

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Well, but think about it though. They just wheeled me in on a gurney. All right. I gotta stop using me and you as the example. Yeah, please. They just they just wheeled this guy in on a gurney.

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Unknown.

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He had unknown.

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John Doe.

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John Doe. Yeah, he had a heart attack. Okay. They're trying to resuscitate him, he's coded, and now they called it. There was no Yeah.

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That's a scary thought.

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There was no reason or any why am I gonna spend money anesthesizing a guy who's according to our according to our we just signed off on the this sheet.

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Yeah.

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That he's dead.

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That's pretty disturbing.

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So uh it's it's it's an interesting conversation, especially with the fact that you know now they're questi they're saying that there's the possibility to bring somebody back after they Well, they're saying that you could bring somebody back without irreversible damage.

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Potentially, which is amazing. Potentially after a lack.

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And and circulatory system.

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I mean that's pretty incredible.

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And now I don't know that they've got evidence to prove that. You know?

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Well, they say that uh we've never had a method to diagnose brain death, and we don't have a way to be certain when all capacity for awareness is lost. And that's and that's to your point, the awareness factor. Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I don't know. That's in that's Yeah. It's hard to think about.

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It is. It's one of those things of ooh, you would hate to be alive in there, aware in there as they are doing what they're doing. Because they're still talking. You know, and and we know that patients hear when they're in a coma.

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Come back and say that they heard conversation. People who um are having surgery have reported that same thing, being aware.

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Right.

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I don't know. There's a lot about the brain. There's that that we don't know. There's more that we don't know than what we do.

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Now I'm gonna tell you something, moving to a story that we did early on in our episodes.

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Is this gonna go too?

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Yeah, it is.

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Oh boy.

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Yeah, it is. Because this changes things just a little bit. Okay. So we did a story many episodes ago about a head transplant. Mm-hmm. And you know, I thought it was the craziest thing ever. You know, just the thought of it. How are you gonna how you how are you going to transplant a head? Right. Well, it would appear at this stage of the game if you are set up and prepared in such a way that you can make the vital connections within five minutes? Huh. Wouldn't that be something? I mean, I thought it was the the mo and I still think it's the most Frankenstein type of conversation ever.

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It is.

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But the fact that now there's this viability of being able after what has been presently perceived as the end of life, having a five-minute window, which if they're saying five minutes, you know, with with some it may be get plus or minus.

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Well, and I think we both suspect it could be far longer than that.

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Exactly.

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Right.

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If it's plus or minus, honestly, and they have done preliminary work in terms of you know, because they've gotten so good now at mapping everything, we're down to the point where, you know, they they're now mapping the brain in a way where they're able to now follow synaptic things that they couldn't follow before. If they're to a point where they have the preparation put in place of reattaching those critical I can't imagine what kind of a process that is.

SPEAKER_01 25:11

I can't either and I know that we saw the diagrams of it, we looked at those things on how this head transplant was supposed to happen. Yeah. But it is still hard to comprehend all of the tiny connections that would need to be made.

SPEAKER_02 25:25

But think about this. And so we're all over the place, guys. We are we're kind of going all over the place here, and pieces of all kinds of stories are coming back, and some stories we haven't even done yet are coming, are going to be pieced in here a little bit. There's already talk of being able to, at some point in the very near future, jack into our brains, meaning have our brains literally wired so that we can be connected to whatever. What if part of this process was based upon that wiring? So it's almost it's almost like wow, just really weird.

SPEAKER_01 26:07

Just unplugging it like a a socket.

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Yes. Just unplugging it and plugging it into the new neural network, right? And all the other requirements of the circulatory pieces are connected.

SPEAKER_01 26:25

You know, I'm just Well, you know, and that makes me think this goes to another aspect of this, which I've been hearing so much in the news about combining humans and AI. So as you're as you're describing Oh, the new cyborg. Yeah. So as you're describing head transplants, I'm thinking, well, we were thinking transplanting the head onto a human body.

SPEAKER_02 26:52

Oh.

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But maybe we don't need the human body.

SPEAKER_02 26:56

Oh, she really went there.

SPEAKER_01 26:58

Maybe we just can use the head and then we'll have this.

SPEAKER_02 27:02

Well, wow. Well, first of all, the fact that we're even having this the fact that we're even having this conversation, it just blows my mind. Because when we first talked about the whole Frankensteinian idea, I I like that word I just created.

SPEAKER_01 27:17

Frankensteinian. Yeah.

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Uh it it was just it was ridiculous. It was almost laughable in a way. Not that somebody would try it, because I know people will try anything.

SPEAKER_00 27:27

Right.

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And I know some may be thinking, so you mean five the fact that there's a five-minute window of viability suddenly has changed that for you? Well, actually it has, because there's things that you can do in preparation that if if it's gonna be as simple as unplug and reconnect, and now you've taken it to the even to the next level. Because think about it.

SPEAKER_01 27:53

Well, uh it's all about the circulation. The circulation, right? Uh the circulatory system keeps the brain functioning. If there's an artificial way to do that, we don't need the circulatory system in the human body.

SPEAKER_02 28:06

It's kind of like you got Robocop on one hand and you got the you got cyborg on the other hand here. And it's like those things really coming to, you know, what is it? Life imitating art? Uh wow.

SPEAKER_01 28:18

Well, and Elon Musk, like I like to talk about him a lot. He has said that they see the future being a combination of people and AI. Sure. Because at some point, rather than letting AI just completely dominate human beings, the answer would be to combine them so they can work in tandem. It's kind of the thinking. So but you're right, life imitates art.

SPEAKER_02 28:43

Right. And or I could see you, I could see my head attached to a cyborg body that now I'm just going along, I'm just going along for the ride on because the AI has taken over and has decided, you know.

SPEAKER_01 28:57

Popping heads everywhere.

SPEAKER_02 28:58

Yeah, you are you are no longer fit to control this body.

SPEAKER_01 29:02

Or taking us back, cloning us, and using the cloned ads for a cyborg army.

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You are really just you are just rolling today.

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I know.

SPEAKER_01 29:17

Yeah. It's crazy the possibility.

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You've come all the way full circle when you first said, Well, what if the the clone doesn't have a soul or it's it's it's brain dead.

SPEAKER_03 29:29

Yeah.

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And so now you're like, well, don't worry about it. They'll just slop his head off, put your head back on that new younger body version of yours, and there you are.

SPEAKER_01 29:37

Well, but I'm saying a cyborg army doesn't need a soul, right? Better that they don't have a soul. If you're gonna think of it in those terms.

SPEAKER_02 29:46

But if you're gonna put your head on that cyborg, I'm thinking that, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:53

Well, and remember, they have been doing head transplants on animals for fifty years.

SPEAKER_02 30:00

And not necessarily all successfully.

SPEAKER_01 30:03

No, not any successfully more than a few days. Yes. But I do see the possibility for in some ways I almost feel like this artificial body may work better with a transplant of this nature. I I I don't know. That's that's research we have to would have to look into.

SPEAKER_02 30:22

But yeah, there's all kinds of things here. I mean, because you know, you have tissue re tissue rejection and all of that kind of stuff. But I can see with some stem cell research, I can see with some of this cloning research where we clone your tissue so that the new body does not re this is ridiculous that we're having this conversation.

SPEAKER_01 30:46

And I have to say, in the last year, there has been so much conversation about these crazy medical practices and AI, artificial intelligence, and now we're talking about so much in the news about combining these things, and it's this it's this growing wave of stuff. Um we're just inundated with it.

SPEAKER_02 31:11

I will tell you that one of the keys to a lot of what we've just talked about is their is truly their ability to wire you. If they really get to the really refine that technology that they are toying with and talking about, of being able to and I don't know any other way of saying it, to wire you. I it could be the beginning of I don't know, the beginning of something.

SPEAKER_01 31:44

Oh, it's definitely the beginning of something. I mean, these things that we're talking about, I uh it'll happen. It'll happen. We'll be here a few years from now looking back and saying, Wow. Wow remember when we were talking about that?

SPEAKER_02 31:59

Yeah. But we'll be re-airing this episode and we'll be saying, Yeah, back in 2018, we had that conversation.

SPEAKER_01 32:08

When we first heard about Barbara Streisand cloning dogs, that's crazy. And and back to that, now that she's done it, I think we'll we'll start hearing that more and more too.

SPEAKER_02 32:21

Only for people who have you know a spare 50,000 later on. Yeah. Well that they're not gonna miss.

SPEAKER_01 32:28

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:28

Because I'm gonna tell you what, I love my dogs. Love them a lot.

SPEAKER_00 32:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:34

But if it's gonna cost me more than well, I won't I won't put a price on them.

SPEAKER_01 32:40

Well, this is an elitist thing.

SPEAKER_02 32:42

I won't put a price on them. But I can tell you there's not fifty thousand dollars worth of love right now for cloning an animal that is not gonna come back and be the one that I had.

unknown 32:54

No.

SPEAKER_01 32:55

And you know, that makes me think too, a lot of the technology and a lot of these things are really only gonna be available to those who can afford to pay for it.

SPEAKER_02 33:07

Again.

SPEAKER_01 33:07

This is a great example of that.

SPEAKER_02 33:09

Life imitating art. You think about Elysium, you think about um lots of TV shows on Netflix, right? TV shows, things on Netflix, a couple of other movies that have been out.

SPEAKER_01 33:22

Yeah. Where you know You have this elitist class, yes, a very small percentage, and then the rest of us live in Squalor and Mad Max or some apocalyptic environment. That's uh wow.

SPEAKER_02 33:38

Well, this was interesting.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

So now let's recap.

SPEAKER_02 33:42

So loud just recap.

SPEAKER_01 33:44

You have to worry about your brain being active long after those around you think that you are gone.

SPEAKER_02 33:50

Wow.

SPEAKER_01 33:50

And uh what that means.

SPEAKER_02 33:54

Well and and and one other thing with that, as this information is confirmed, think about the angst that families are going to have that already struggle with pulling the plug. You know, in some of these scenarios. Now, hopefully, when we're talking about pulling the plug, typically we're talking about a scenario where there is no brain activity as far as they are able to perceive it. But the fact of thinking that the doctors have stopped CPR and that your family member may still be experiencing something, it may change protocols for uh what they do at end of life, as they are as we are currently um naming it, to the point that it might include anesthesia or it might need to, or something else, simply because of the fact that we don't know. Because here's my thing in the in the test subjects that they've tested, where they put the electrodes or whatever in to determine how long life lasted afterwards for those test subjects, who says that I'm not surly and I'm just hanging on for 10 minutes, you know. So I think that the more experience that they get with this, that they're probably gonna hopefully have better data, but I don't think you get a lot of candidates to get this information from.

SPEAKER_01 35:27

I think it's no different than people who donate their body for science research.

SPEAKER_03 35:31

Right.

SPEAKER_01 35:32

This is just another aspect of it. Sure. The people that were involved in this particular research did that. Um they signed a DNR, Do not resuscitate. Okay, and so they were able to um, you know, use them, like you said, right to see their brain activity and all of that. So I think it's expanded the thought process on what death is um that we really don't know exactly. It's still kind of a mystery. Or when death is. I think when yes, when our definition of death has been different in terms of w at what point.

SPEAKER_03 36:07

Right.

SPEAKER_01 36:07

Um, but I think that that's going to there's gonna be a lot more research into this now.

SPEAKER_02 36:12

I there would have to be.

SPEAKER_01 36:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:15

Because again, what I'm saying is if we've got a baseline right now that says five minutes, okay.

SPEAKER_01 36:20

But what if Yeah, and I'm gonna think about it.

SPEAKER_02 36:23

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 36:24

You know, uh your loved one Absolutely. I'm gonna think about it. And I I always I recall hearing cases where people have been in a coma. You talk about brain activity, have been in a coma for ten years and all of a sudden come out of it.

SPEAKER_02 36:40

Came out of it.

SPEAKER_01 36:40

This is it's complicated, complex stuff.

SPEAKER_02 36:44

And when you think about our when you think about the human brain and and how much we've learned about the limited amount of it that we that the average human being uses, and the fact that when you think about some of our geniuses who are literally born with the ability to access more of it and to use more of that gray matter that we have up there, you've you've got to you've got to believe that we are not all cookie cutters in terms of even the data that they're going to get in terms of looking at how long there's brain activity afterwards.

SPEAKER_01 37:19

Yeah, there's always gonna be an exception.

SPEAKER_02 37:20

There's always gonna be an exception.

SPEAKER_01 37:22

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 37:23

So wow.

SPEAKER_01 37:24

Heavy stuff. So um that in the head transplants and the the cyborg. Yeah. Uh wow. Okay.

SPEAKER_02 37:34

You know, I I can't lie, there's a there's that part of that cyborg that just really you know.

SPEAKER_01 37:39

As we're talking about it, I see it in my head, you know.

SPEAKER_02 37:42

I do too. I'm just sitting here thinking.

SPEAKER_01 37:44

Thinking about it.

SPEAKER_02 37:45

Man, I'd be like a superhero.

SPEAKER_01 37:48

Oh, you're thinking about you being super.

SPEAKER_02 37:50

I mean, you know, I mean, you know, they would be like a superhero. I didn't say me. I didn't say you. That was what I said.

SPEAKER_01 37:56

All right then. All right then. Well, that's a uh I guess that's a wrap. That's a lot of information to digest and think about. That's a whole lot. And as always, we will uh revisit it, I'm sure. Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_02 38:14

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SPEAKER_01 38:21

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SPEAKER_02 38:31

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