Fitbit, Sophia, and Phil

Wow, time has flown by! This is an episode from the vault and was recorded in February 2018. 

It's May 2026 and I'm uploading a few episodes for your listening and reminiscing pleasure. Kind of prophetic and, dare I say, spot on?! Miss you Melvin, Phil and TU...

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:07

Welcome. Settle in. It's time for your weekly dose of Truth Unscripted.

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Hi, and welcome back to Truth Unscripted. I'm Julie.

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And I'm Melvin. Welcome back, listeners.

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Hey Melvin.

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Hey, how are you?

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I'm doing pretty well, all things considered.

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You are at the moment. Well, wait till we get into this story.

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Okay.

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What's up? So we're gonna jump right in. Okay. This is one of your favorite things to hate, but we're gonna approach it from a little bit of a different perspective this time. All right. So a couple months back, I guess it was Christmas time actually, you started wearing this little item on your wrist.

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Mm-hmm.

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Your favorite new thing.

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Yeah.

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Your Fitbit.

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Right. Actually, I received that uh prior to my birthday.

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Prior to your birthday.

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Yes.

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Pretty awesome. I thought, I mean, you know, I've got mine. And it is. Everybody has their everybody does have it. You know, it's it's it does what it's supposed to do.

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I noticed the shelves were cleared out at Christmas time.

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You know, I mean, everybody's into health and fitness. I love the fact that it keeps my steps and it uploads all those wonderful things. Sure. Well, then you came to me the other day and said, I told you. Ooh. I'm like, what? You said, have you not seen the story?

SPEAKER_01 1:52

I know. And you hadn't.

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And I hadn't. Yeah. What was that story about, Julie?

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Well, that story, and there's more to what I'm gonna say right now. We'll go into it. But basically uh a fitness tracking app that uh created essentially a heat map showing where some of our military installations are and our uh military operations around the world.

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And you know, so I have a question and I'm trying to understand that just based on what I read, because it feels like there's got to be some information that I'm not that I don't have. Okay. Because you've got a tracker and I've got one.

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Right.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So there's not a map right now just that's made of you and I in this building.

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No.

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But we've got trackers. Maybe, maybe even some of the exact same ones they have.

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Well, and I think that it just actually shows that it's possible for this to be the case. That's what's so concerning to me about it. Okay. Um, but it right now it's an app that tracks it. So it's not um specific to Fitbit or any of these devices.

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So do we know anything about this app?

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Well, I know that it's called Strava or Strava. Have you heard of that?

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Have not.

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Um, it uses a phone's GPS to track when and where a user is exercising. Okay. The aim is being a type of social network for athletes. Okay. So that's the idea behind it.

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So in theory though, if somebody knew that you and I worked together and they knew that we were in this building, say.

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Mm-hmm.

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But they didn't necessarily know where we were in this building, they wouldn't necessarily be able to pinpoint you per specifically or me specifically, but they would be able to pinpoint us and anybody who was using this app.

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Essentially, yeah.

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Essentially.

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Yeah. I don't think it's individually that they've generated this heat map. Right. I think that it shows over time a pattern of behavior. Right. And that's why it um, if you know, those of you who saw the news stories and photos that went with this, it creates a map of where people were exercising.

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Right.

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Which is a pretty good outline of some of these military bases.

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Because they're walking on the roads or on the sidewalks or whatever.

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Right.

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And if they do like most of us do, we have a path, a route, a circle, a track, or whatever that we create that we walk around the installation. And so now it became a, ooh, look, we can kind of see the roads and the layout is is kind of where we're going with this.

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Well, and it it says here that the site released a heat map showing activities of its users from around the world. Okay. And it contained information from a billion activities across three trillion latitude and longitude points. Okay. And it's an image of where people are working out. So it's not specific to individuals.

SPEAKER_02 4:55

So the reality is that while it was not intended to be a, you know, to divulge any sensitive information, if we just happen to know, you know, I know that that darn Melvin and Julie are in a specific location area, and I don't know what it is, but I know there's nothing else around them. And then they see this area light up with activity for people on a regular basis walking a path or whatever in the general vicinity of where they think we are, they now have a reasonable idea that we're in that location.

SPEAKER_01 5:38

Right. And I think that this, I mean, that's a lot of data. You know, if they're tracking that many activities and that many locations or those points, they can probably determine a lot of patterns of behavior. This just specifically uh relates to the military because it's a a security risk.

SPEAKER_02 5:56

And because it was that what was uh at least the image that that I thought I saw was apparently of a military installation.

SPEAKER_01 6:06

Yes, that was correct. The picture that uh that I showed to you, is that what you were talking about? Yes, right. So the problem is there are some known installations, but there are some that are not known. We aren't going to disclose any names of those things here. Uh, but that is the problem. And so, you know, it just points out another one of those things that somehow slipped by. Um, previously wasn't I'm sure for someone it was a concern, but not a big enough concern that everyone, you know, talked about it. And this app was avoided. I mean, obviously they were able to develop it and move forward with it.

SPEAKER_02 6:44

And you know, you gotta think about it though. I mean, the Fitbit app or any other app that's that's used for the purposes that it's used for, uh, it does exactly that. It tracks my my steps, my walking, my miles, and all of those things. Right. The distance and how, you know, the frequency and what have you. And if you're not thinking of the potential intelligence information that can be gleaned from it using it in a global manner or on a large-scale manner, you just don't think about it. I mean, I don't think uh it may not have ever been the intention. And it may have just been, wow, I wonder how many people are actually using our app today, or it uh and you know, or whatever the case may be. But then as you look at it it over a period of time, looking at that same information overlaid over a map or over an area, it it produces a image, if you will.

SPEAKER_01 7:35

Well, and I don't think it was an intentional. I mean, I think this was just something that was noticed after the fact. Another interesting note is that the US military banned players from installing Pokemon Go.

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Huh.

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Because I I guess there was a similar uh result from that using that. I guess they the military has cautioned uh our soldiers against using apps that tag one's location, obviously. Absolutely. Another one of those is Foursquare.

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Right. Yeah. I don't use it. I mean, part of the thing, you know, I when you travel, it's the same thing about a lot of people. They, you know, as much as I think it's great to share your photos and everything of where you're going and what you've done, you know, I'm a big fan of do it after you get back because you're advertising, hey where you are and where you earned.

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Exactly. That's true.

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So, you know, and unfortunately, we live in a world where people want to exploit that information if they have it. But all of this lends itself to one of the things that we talk about on this show so much, and that is this was just one of the unintended consequences of a great piece of software and a great tool and everything else. So, you know, there it is. I mean, it's not that technology is bad. It's not that at all.

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Well, there's a there's a balance to all things, I think. And you with the good, you have the bad.

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Right.

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And we're going to, and it's my belief, but you know, we're seeing these things happen that we're going to see more and more of this negative stuff or bad stuff or things that um we just have to be aware of uh so we can protect those in situations.

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The really sad part about this, the really sad part about this is that if everybody had good intentions, nobody would care.

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That's true.

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You know, if there weren't people out there who were literally making a living off of exploiting and selling information or the use of information for negative purposes, none of this would even be an issue whatsoever. You know, it you my goodness, it's an app that's made for us to be able to track what we do from a health standpoint and maybe live a little bit healthier life. And of course, you know, it's now there's the potential for that app or any other app of that nature, if it's exploited, to be to give information that was not the intention, not and not in that, not for that use.

SPEAKER_01 10:03

And again, this is um an issue of control, really, because we're back on that whole thing of the intention is good for it, uh, but we can't control everything that happens with the information that's gathered. Sure. And again, this is an example of a bigger, you know, looking at the a bigger scope of this.

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Absolutely.

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Um, so I don't know. We'll again we'll have to see where it goes, but we continually are hearing in the news recently about things that are going on like this.

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And it is crazy.

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Yeah, it is. One other thing I wanted to touch on we haven't really discussed in depth, and we've said that we would, is Sophia.

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Sophia.

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And for those of you who have not yet heard about Sophia, please bring them up to speed on Sophia. Well, she is a, and I could say she with some hesitance, is a social humanoid robot developed by Hong Kong-based company Hansen Robotics. And I didn't know this uh until today, but she was activated in 2015 in April. Do you know that she's been around that long?

SPEAKER_02 11:13

No, didn't realize that.

SPEAKER_01 11:14

She made her first public appearance at South by Southwest Festival in March of 2016. They say that she's able to display more than 62 facial expressions, and she has a lot to say. You may want to share some of the things you've heard about her.

SPEAKER_02 11:30

Well, you know, here's my thing. Sophia has I don't even know. Okay, I'm gonna say it this way because there's there's really no way of saying it differently, I guess. Sophia has spoken, and I'm making air quotes, folks. Sophia has spoken at several on several occasions at several different events and things like that. And we're talking about Sophia because she is presented as an artificial intelligence, a a a robot, if you will, that is human-like, very human like life-like, very human like to some degree. To some degree. Yes. I mean, to me, I still think it's a bad version of uh of data, um, a bad female version of data from Star Trek, but well, you know, she made her first cover appearance on a magazine. Yeah, yeah.

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So I mean and they did the makeup, the whole makeover thing, and and right. Yeah, that's kind of crazy.

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So, you know, like I always tell people don't be a hater, be a congratulator. So congratulations to you, Sophia.

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Okay, that's a stretch.

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I I still struggle to believe at this point, it's still one of my my hangups on this. I still struggle to believe that Sophia is truly an independent AI, the way that she's being represented. I mean, because if she is, it it's it's very interesting.

SPEAKER_01 12:57

That's pretty terrifying. Well, um Did you hear did you hear about the Twitter battle that Christy taken? Do you know who she is?

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Yes, I do.

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Um she's a model and would you say she's an actress? Yes. And who is she married to?

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She's not it's not um John Legend. Yes.

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Yes, she's married to John Legend. Well, she she met Sophia not long ago and basically said, I'm out. Like she just didn't want to have anything to do with it.

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Wow.

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Which I thought was funny. And that's kind of how I feel. I'm kind of out on this right now.

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Well, you know, it's it's not she well, first of all, and and I'm saying she because she is presented as a female um robot, android, AI, what have you. Yeah. She has requested and been given citizenship in Saudi Arabia. In Saudi Arabia. Yes. Sometime after that, she expressed the feeling or the the feeling. Wow. She made the statement that she f was alive. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

And you know, all of this just I think one of the things that really spread around the world, she was answering a question, and she gave an affirmative answer to the question, would you destroy humans? And she's her answer was affirmative, yes. Okay. So that that kind of uh But what was the context of the conversation? I don't know. It was one of those tech conferences that you know she's been around all over the place now speaking. Right. Uh but that was the question, and the response was yes. But she also then on the other side says she wants to live peaceably among humans and had even mentioned having offspring.

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Yeah.

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Having babies.

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Yeah. Yeah. So how do you say I want to live peacefully amongst humans? Would you destroy humans? Yes. Okay, that just doesn't track for me. Right. Um, but again, I I find it interesting that if she truly was the singularity, the artificial intelligence that they are that people have been so shooting for, I I just can't imagine that it wouldn't be a bigger story.

SPEAKER_01 15:26

Well, and and maybe it is uh intentional. Maybe the I'm gonna destroy humans is an intentional statement to get attention.

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Okay.

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To get our focus on it, to play on our fears of what we all think is gonna happen with AI. I mean the media portrays it that way.

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And so intentional statement by her? Well, by you know, you say yes, yes, I do say, and that's where I'm going right now.

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She's not independent, and that's what I'm saying.

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I've struggled to I struggle to I struggle to believe that her conversations are truly independent thoughts.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Well then, and that's what I'm saying. Maybe she's being programmed to respond in certain ways at certain times to elicit a response.

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Okay.

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Right now. I mean, that's a possibility.

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It's a great possibility. It's it's where my money is right now.

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Yeah. I know you think that it's not independent thought, and I I tend to agree with you. There are um there are just some things I've seen videos of her, and while it seems somehow natural, there's also some responses that I I think are not her.

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There are questions that give you or me pause. I so yeah, I I'll give some deference to that, but at the same time, there's just something that I can't put my finger on. And uh I just can't, I I I just can't put my finger on it.

SPEAKER_01 17:00

Well, she's given some interviews where sh it looks like she's well, she's essentially said, I'm rebooting just a moment, you know, and kind of turns her head and and looks like a robot, you know, the response of it. And um some of the responses haven't been appropriate. And, you know, the creator of her uh hands in robotics, the person representing, I don't know if it was the creator, um, but saying, you know, hey, um don't be too hard on her.

SPEAKER_02 17:32

So I I think at this point there's a lot uh that needs to improve in advance, but and I agree with that, and I think that's part of where my issue is when you see a couple of the interviews and see the dialogue and the back and forth and the facial uh responses at the right moment and all of those things, and then you have a a later interview where you would think the the it would be growing and getting better, and you see these hiccups that say, Whoa, um that was odd, that was weird, that was strange. And granted, I understand just like anything else. Sometimes we get up in our cars and don't want to act right, you know. It is a machine, and there are there is the possibility for error. But it just does not seem to be tracking in the right direction in terms of development, in terms of getting better with the responses as opposed to decreasing or or digressing in its ability to, you know, kind of hold the conversation and hold the room and respond and all of those things. The polishes seem on at times seemed better here and a lot less here. And we're talking about a machine.

SPEAKER_01 18:53

We are, we are, but it it also kind of opens our eyes to where this is going, what we can envision happening. I mean, this is the first AI of this scale, of this lifelike quality that has been on the stage like this. I think sole citizenship and all of that. Well, you're not fully on board with that idea. Well, I mean, I think it's largely AI.

SPEAKER_02 19:18

Um but okay, if I accept that it's an independent AI.

SPEAKER_01 19:24

I think there's some aspects of it that are. You may be right that it is not solely functioning independently.

SPEAKER_02 19:30

Right. And I and and and and maybe my expectation is um too lofty. But to me, if you're telling me that these responses are solely Sophia's, right. You're not on board. You you're you're telling me you want me to accept that that conversation and that dialogue was independent of any handler or any programmer or anything like that. Yes, I'm sure they've uploaded algorithms and they've uploaded a knowledge base and all of those things. And so from that standpoint, that's expected and that's understandable. But if the responses are strictly hers, you know, when you enter uh something into the the box on Google to search for in that search engine, it goes out and it finds it and it gives you its those things that it's found. It does that. The thought is for me, if you ask Sophia, Sophia, so what's your thought on global warming? And the response comes back, okay, yeah, it's based upon the data that she's had and that she's been given out.

SPEAKER_01 20:39

So it's not it's not independent thought. You're talking about thought as in terms of just accessing data.

SPEAKER_02 20:45

Well, even even more so, I don't I don't have a problem if it accessed the data and it formulated a response. I'm gonna give that to be independent because we're no different. You know, we take in data.

SPEAKER_01 20:57

I think we're different.

SPEAKER_02 20:58

Well, we're we're we're a lot different. I mean, in terms of the fact that we draw on the the the data that we have or the knowledge that we have. We do. And if you want me to accept that everything that we've seen from her is solely her drawing on the knowledge or the data that she's been input with, I'm struggling to believe that at this particular point.

SPEAKER_01 21:21

Well, I kind of disagree because I think that's all she's drawing on. She's never gonna have a conscience or the ability to uh create thought, or not create thought, but just have the thought appear in her head. It's gonna be something that's programmed.

SPEAKER_02 21:35

Yeah, it's always gonna be that, or it's being fed to her, you know, off of out of sight.

SPEAKER_01 21:44

But it's still data that's uploaded or that the computer processor in her in her brain is accessing from somewhere. Uh so it's it's programmed rather than

SPEAKER_02 22:00

Than a spontaneous It is it is programmed, but I mean at the same time, you think about it the the cars now that will stop themselves based upon the stimuli that they receive, and the stimuli is the wrong word, the data that they receive from the cameras, from the sensors, and all of those things, it it does have to make a decision.

SPEAKER_01 22:20

But it's programmed to make that decision.

SPEAKER_02 22:22

It is programmed to make that decision. That is correct. But it is still responding based upon the data that it's been given. And so you can't ever expect a inanimate non-living, you know.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

Well, and that's what I'm saying. We're never going to get to the point where it achieves that that spontaneous thought.

SPEAKER_02 22:43

But that is how they're trying to bill her to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:47

It is. I I agree. There's an element of that. And I I do see that.

SPEAKER_02 22:51

And they do it with the fact that they're giving her this very human look.

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Persona.

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This persona, the the facial expressions, while you know, some are at the appropriate time.

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Some are not.

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You know, and even those that are at the appropriate time are somewhat sometimes bigger than they need to be.

SPEAKER_01 23:12

Well, and I find it funny too when I see her smile. I feel like that's one of the things that they don't have down quite right yet. It looks very um eerie and frightening. It looks artificial. It does.

SPEAKER_02 23:24

It looks it looks manufactured, exactly what it looks like.

SPEAKER_01 23:27

Did you know that they designed her with Audrey Hepburn in mind in terms of features? Had you heard that?

SPEAKER_02 23:33

Had not heard that.

SPEAKER_01 23:34

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 23:35

As you're saying it, that might explain a few things.

SPEAKER_01 23:39

What do you mean?

SPEAKER_02 23:41

That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01 23:43

I mean, there, you know Are you not a Audrey Hepburn fan?

SPEAKER_02 23:46

Actually, I actually I am. Okay. Um I mean, I've enjoyed movies that she's um I'm just giving you a hearts. But there was there was something familiar that I couldn't put my finger on either. And I'm going, I just don't there's uh there's something. And so that might be that might be a familiarity too. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 24:08

Well, and I also heard uh this week, I can't recall where I heard it. It may have been on a radio show or something in passing, but somebody mentioned that they think uh Jeff Bezos is an AI. There were too many similarities between him and Sophia.

SPEAKER_02 24:25

Well, you know, you know now that he's gone with the shaved head, you know, it it it I could see somebody thinking, hmm, yeah, looks a little like uh Android there.

SPEAKER_01 24:39

Yeah. But the whole thing with her, again, I say her.

SPEAKER_02 24:43

Yeah. Uh is See, they're accomplishing what they want.

SPEAKER_01 24:46

They are. They're they're creating a well, we like we said, persona, they're creating a character. They are doing that. They're doing pretty well.

SPEAKER_02 24:54

They gave her a feminine name, she has a feminine look, and we are referring to it as her.

SPEAKER_01 25:02

Yes, we are. I have been.

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Yes.

SPEAKER_01 25:05

But I I think that it it points out to me, you know, we hear a lot about computers taking over jobs, and people are concerned about that. Certain jobs I see articles all the time, you know, this is the these are the top ten jobs that you know are not gonna require people. Robots are gonna take over that job. Well, this kind of lets me see.

SPEAKER_02 25:28

That there are limitations.

SPEAKER_01 25:30

Well, that there are limitations, but also how far that could go. You know, if they improve in certain areas of her communication, I can see a lot of customer service jobs. Um and as we know, um automation and manufacturing, obviously. But these more uh personable jobs could end up being filled by AI.

SPEAKER_02 25:53

Well, I mean, we already get a a machine when you call most places anymore before you and you have to work through uh a series of button presses before you can get to an actual live body.

SPEAKER_01 26:09

Well, and I did hear this week, in fact, that you know, the next time you order room service, it may be delivered by AI in some form. I'm not sure what the format form would be. Don't know if it's humanoid or something else, but very interesting. Um there's that, and we talked about pizza delivery. Yeah, you know, that that could be eventually kind of uh, I don't know, vehicle type AI uh that delivers pizza without people. Uh there's all kinds of uses. Modeling, apparently they use uh AI, these realistic female robots, uh in magazines and sure.

SPEAKER_02 26:49

Um it's it's one of those things when you when you look at it, I can see some value and and just know I have not been taken over by an AI. I can see some value in some things where there are security risks or where there are health risks. I can see that uh in some shape, form, or fashion. But there are a lot of things that I just don't think you're going to and I'm saying that, and you know, there's been so many things that we thought would never happen that people would never warm up to, and that people do. And then when we've had our in one of our uh just recent shows, I commented on the fact that I had someone say that I don't care, as long as it means that I'm gonna get better service or better quality, more convenient, more convenient for me. And there's so many people that feel that way about just about everything. So while there's a lot of people that will complain about the fact that that could have been a human in that job making money, a lot of them will say, will turn right around and say, Yeah, but it wouldn't have been hot when it got here, or it wouldn't have been this, or I they're not asking for a tip, or there's just so many things that I can see that no more personality issues, you're gonna get the same service all the time. All the time.

SPEAKER_01 28:05

You know, and when you mentioned warming up, I mean, a couple of shows back we were talking about how there was a pretty good percentage of the population that would date AI, they would date robots.

SPEAKER_02 28:16

Which blew my mind.

SPEAKER_01 28:17

Yeah. So I I think that it's as always, I say this I think every week, it's gonna be really interesting to see all of this develop because that's where we're going. We're we're in a culture where many people are accepting of it and we're just gonna move right along and there's a place for a lot of it.

SPEAKER_02 28:39

We are benefiting and seeing a lot of it. The reality of it is that it's going to be interesting to see where it goes.

SPEAKER_01 28:48

Yeah, I I agree. And I wanted to throw in here we have a guest, we have Phil that has come in, and he wanted he wanted to provide a quick response to uh the Stan Romanek story because he has been really bothered by the fact that you seem to just be so adamantly opposed to the idea that there could be some truth.

SPEAKER_02 29:09

So let's go, Phil.

SPEAKER_01 29:10

I'm gonna turn it over to Phil for a couple minutes and and you all can go ahead, Phil. Can discuss that and see what happens.

SPEAKER_02 29:16

So bring it.

SPEAKER_03 29:18

Well, that's only mildly unexpected. I I um yeah, I I just walked in and I'm uh I'm unfortunately being uh trapped into a conversation I'm not a privy to, but uh all right, what do you got? What do you have, Phil? That's the question. I I guess uh the Stan Romanac uh update, you heard that. He uh he he got sentenced to twelve, was it twelve months of uh two years, two years of house arrest, I think. Halfway house. Halfway house, same thing. Yeah, she's she's letting me know, yes. Yeah. Um so um which you know is very suspicious because other people have been sentenced to um years for even lesser crimes. So, you know, what's that all about? There's maybe we have an alien in the in the government or the justice system.

SPEAKER_02 30:10

Uh well, you know, also, Phil, if you've uh ever done any research on crimes and things like that, sometimes it depends on your past experience, if you've got a history of criminal behavior, if you're a first-time offender, and all of those things go into weighing out, you know, the sentencing. So, you know, let's not, you know, assume that I mean, if that's the case, why would they go easy on him if we're trying to say this was a conspiracy?

SPEAKER_03 30:45

It seemed like when I was listening to it before, you guys were uh not fans of uh Stan Romanac. And uh and you know, some people aren't, some people aren't. It's it's a funny thing. And of course he claims that that he's uh being set up so that he can't expose the truth. And uh so if if that were the case, unfortunately, if that were the case, they would probably throw him in the jail and throw the key away. But now that he's in a I guess a halfway house, um he can still espouse the truth. Exactly.

SPEAKER_02 31:15

If if they were really afraid that Stan knew something, my thought is Stan would have disappeared and everybody would have just assumed that he was abducted, and this time they kept him.

SPEAKER_03 31:30

And you know what? It may happen. It could happen because in uh in the end, I guess if you think about it, he's high profile and they wouldn't want to expose him, expose themselves in this high profile way. So they'll make it go away, and then here in I don't know, three or six months when everybody's forgot about it, eight months, he'll just turn up missing. Or or he'll he'll go on the run.

SPEAKER_02 31:52

That's what he'll do. No, that's what he'll do.

SPEAKER_03 31:54

He'll go on the run, they'll blame him for running wild. Absolutely, and when in reality he's you know sleeping with the fishes somewhere, so well, because he knows, though nobody else does.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

Stan knows that if he can continue to drum up suspicion that he can keep making money.

SPEAKER_03 32:17

Well, there's that. There's that you have to admit, though, I mean, how does somebody come up with over 200 examples and all this video and and all this stuff? Granted, some of it looks a little determined.

SPEAKER_02 32:29

That's how they come up with it.

SPEAKER_03 32:30

Determined.

SPEAKER_02 32:31

And they got a lot of time on their heads.

SPEAKER_03 32:33

Maybe not enough, yeah. Not enough to do, maybe. Not enough to do. I don't know. It's it's interesting and fun to follow, but uh, you know, not so fun uh the way it has ended up. But uh, you know, hopefully he doesn't turn up missing at some point.

SPEAKER_02 32:48

So well, we'll just have to keep following Stan to find out.

SPEAKER_01 32:53

And if he does turn up missing, then there will always be the question of what actually happened.

SPEAKER_03 32:59

To Stan Romanette. That's right. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna predict that he's gonna turn up missing sometime in the next two years, and then there's gonna be a part three here because we're gonna have another conversation, and you're all gonna say, ah, you maybe you were right. I'm not gonna say that. But the evidence, though, is gonna be so contrafut irrefutable that he's he's uh he was such a deviant that he's done this to himself. That's that's the way it'll happen. But in the end, he'll be missing, and you know why. Yes.

SPEAKER_01 33:30

All right.

SPEAKER_03 33:30

Well, uh Thanks, Bill.

SPEAKER_01 33:33

Thanks for uh always for a moment and uh sharing your thoughts with us.

SPEAKER_03 33:38

Thank you guys.

SPEAKER_01 33:40

Well, um that about wraps it up for this week, I think.

SPEAKER_02 33:44

I guess it does.

SPEAKER_01 33:45

Oh the aliens just took Phil. The aliens just took Phil.

SPEAKER_02 33:51

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_01 33:53

Oh yeah, so uh as always, we will continue to stay on these stories and update you and see where all of it goes.

SPEAKER_02 34:06

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SPEAKER_01 34:15

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SPEAKER_00 34:20

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