*Bonus* “Signs” from Elicit Justice: Conversations Off Grid

Featuring excerpts from Episode 121, an interview with Dr. Samson Munn and musical composition by Toulme, Copyright 2023.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:12

Um so, and then comes along the Holocaust and my uncle is captured with his wife. His wife does not survive. He is in Auschwitz and then later in the Ebenzei division of Mount Helsen, which is in north-west Austria, and that's where he dies. He dies several days after the camp was evacuated by the Nazis from his starvation. That was supposed by the Nazis earlier. And it's all about getting to know the other really deeply and it's all about getting to a point where you not just intellectually but emotionally realize that you're the other's, other People. Getting to really deeply, get to know the other. It changes your views tremendously when you do that.

Speaker 1: 1:33

I found myself shockingly moved in ways I didn't think that was going to be. What is this all about? And it became clear to me that it's all about truth. It's not about facts, it's about truth. As so many of these things matter, I'll start with my family. I'll go to the other side of the road. There was a lot of animosity. There was somebody there whose husband had lost his arm. There were lots of severe trauma. But that was one shocking experience that I saw. People wouldn't even shake each other's hands, wouldn't even talk to each other, wouldn't respond to questions from each other and after three days of intensive, as I say, 12 to 15 hours a day talking to each other, they were drinking beer and ale and singing Christmas carols together. I can't get over it to this day. I can't get over it to this day. I can't get over it to this day. I can't get over it to this day.