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Show Notes:

2:30 Prof. Tim McFarlin’s focus on copyright and authorship

3:30 Dr. Caterina Moruzzi’s philosophical/design perspective / focus on authenticity

5:00 Dr. Anja Neubauer's focus on global AI/copyright framework

5:50 Artist Lisa Lebofsky’s perspective on AI as a nomadic painter

8:45 “Authenticity Unmasked”–looking at the artistic process not the product

9:55 “Authenticity Unmasked” insight-centrality of human perspective

12:00 Neubauer–redefinition of terms like originality in light of emerging tech

13:30 Getty v. Stability finding  outputs are not copies so not infringements

14:55 McFarland–genAI’s scale and redefining understanding of terms

17:05 US state and federal laws 

19:00 need for unified global protection

19:50 Alan Robershaw – UK Getty decision’s technical focus on the process 

21:40 Defining originality 

22:10 Getty opinion at 601 v. AI models are memorizing/making copies 

24:00 Robertshaw - one step away from judicial definition of consciousness

24:40 McFarland – scale is the concern

25:35 Lebofsky – how prior claims of infringement fit into AI/appropriation of artists’ works

26:20 McFarland – ‘substantially similar’ takings are prima facie infringement subject to fair use defense

27:10 consideration of outputs flooding the market harm 

29:25 Lebofsky – use of AI through tools like AI Charm Lab app 

31:00 Lebofsky’s view of threats to her style and her language 

32:45 human requirement for ‘authorship’ and consumer trends

35:55 Moruzzi – human effort to value the process

37:15 Process visible in generative AI circa 2015 v. current genAI’s less visibility and thus less authenticity

38:30 Anthroprocentric – human need for authorship

40:20 Robershaw - Monkey-selfie case; animal versus machine personhood 

43:15 McFarland – Arkansas statute on AI

44:40 Gould – UK Section 9(3) - limited copyright for output in person who organized the output

45:00 Neubauer – issue of term “equipment” for tools 

46:50 Gould – current copyright legislation is not fit for purpose

48:35 Distinction between camera use and AI model training

49:05 Copyright Criminals documentary regarding music sampling 

50:00 Sampling case involving Kraftwerk 

51:35 Moruzzi – response to consultations

53:00 McFarland – extent of law v. parallel tracks to copyright or other alternatives to preserve and protect human creativity

54:00 Stefania Salles Bruins–solutions outside the law

54:40 Copyright not fit for purpose 

55:20 Neubauer - Shift in definition of artwork

55:45 Lebofsky – how to establish boundaries

57:25 Robertshaw re: Lebofsky’s paintings

58:00 Salles Bruins – Lebofsky’s coding that cannot be replicated

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Show Notes:

1:45 introduction of The Surviving Project

5:45 three parts of Through Their Eyes Exhibition

7:00 Wings of Hope messages

9:00 stories from the delegation

10:15 exhibition mission

11:30 future cities for the exhibition: Chicago, Atlanta, LA, NYC, Toronto

12:40 how the exhibition addresses theme of drawing strength from what’s lost

15:00 defining justice – the way of getting back is continuing on

16:30 legacy of the exhibition 

18:00 Through Their Eyes Exhibition

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Show Notes:

2:50 Tobi Aluko–Nigerian copyright 

5:30 Nigeria’s national AI strategy and creative sector 

7:25 Emily Gould – query on tech sector’s strength in Nigeria

9:40 debate over UK’s copyright provision for machine-generated work

11:40 Johan Brandstedt - Sweden’s approach to copyright 

13:40 Czech Republic case on AI and copyrightability 

16:40 Aluko – prompting versus creating art that involves effort/process

19:00 US copyright for A Single Piece of American Cheese 

20:30 Prof. Ahmed Elgammal - background of AI use in the arts

23:45 19th C. French case on copyright of photographs that show originality 

24:45 US refusal to copyright AI outputs 

26:35 Bartz v. Anthropic and Kadrey v. Meta 

30:45 AICAN project

32:55 GAN-based art movement celebrated prior to prompting

33:55 “Text-to-Image Generators Have Altered the Digital Art Landscape—But Killed Creativity. Here’s Why an Era of A.I. Art Is Over”

34:25 artists survey on value from AI

37:15 backlash of Christies’ auction of Generative AI works 

41:50 Elgammal – effort versus intentionality e.g., DuChamp/ready-made art

42:30 intentionality and agency missing with prompting and random output 

51:40 AI's cultural impact 

1:04:30 Beethoven X project 

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Show Notes:
1:30 background
2:45 shift to add activist element to her art
4:00 response to 7 October 2023 during residency at LMCC
5:30 ‘artivism’
5:45 workshop at Israeli American Council event
6:45 Rosh Hashanah gift for families of hostages
9:00 how her work facilitates justice
12:30 defining justice through recognition and healing
13:20 work as a curator to connect voices
13:50 “Artists on Antisemitism” exhibition
15:00 co-curated with director of Jewish Art Salon
15:40 LA-based artist Marina Heinze included in exhibition 

15:45 Joan Roth
17:30 Ronit’s “David” kisses painting included in exhibition
19:40 Chai meaning alive
19:50 use of technology in her work as a bridge for global participation
21:40 heat-activated work that shows happiness levels like mood rings
23:25 Stefania Salles Bruins: connection between art and justice making whole
26:00 work by Marina Heinze in Artists on Antisemitism exhibition
27:10 other exhibitions she has curated
27:50 work in the antisemitism exhibition
28:40 fellowship in Germany in collaboration with German Academic Exchange Service (DAAD) - art's importance in memory and justice
29:00 urgency of keeping the Holocaust alive in the conversation today
29:45 murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska
30:00 to hold and carry memory forward to inspire vigilance and resilence
30:40 artists as witnesses of our time and responsibility to be an activist
32:00 “Wandering Jew” project for 2026 Jerusalem Biennale
34:00 Drawdy’s definition of justice
34:50 Drawdy’s focus on stories to highlight
35:20 Alan Robertshaw’s comments
36:00 art speaking for itself
36:50 “Written in Water” and “Project Forgiveness” - 2018 NY Spring/Break

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Show Notes:

1:20 intro and background

2:40 Slide 4 - Overview of Part I: 6 & ½ tips & tricks: 1 – perspective & point of view; 2 – Light; 2-1/2 – shadow; 3 – value / contrast; 4 – temperature; 5 – depth and illusion of 3-D; 6 – line

5:00 Slide 5: Point 7 - Brushstrokes

6:35 thickness of paint

7:00 blending with dry brush

8:00 Slide 6: Point 8 - Layering

9:40 ‘fat over lean’ rule

11:15 scumble – layer of opaque white 

11:30 glaze – transparent layer over an underpainting

12:40 Slide 7: Point 9 - Paint as a Language

15:50 Slide 8: Point 10 - The Figure

19:45 Slide 9: Point 11 – The Palette

32:40 glazing 

33:50 Slide 10: Point 12 – Studio Practice

42:50 figurative group show with artist from Hip Bone Art Studio

43:45 process of applying to shows

45:00 narrative/figurative and surrealist approach to still life work

46:05 artist statements

48:45 sharing WIP and final works

51:20 connection to the cranial optic nerve – thinking with our eyes when painting

1:00:00 painting from imagination with focus on ‘technique in service of art’

1:02:10 how to deal with writers’ block and painters’ block

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Cover photo by Rhonda Dumas, Pieface Photography 

Show notes:

2:00 Museum of Southern Jewish Experience beginning

2012 MSJE moved to Jackson MS and became part of Institute of Southern Jewish Life 

3:30 4th year in New Orleans

4:50 MSJE’s mission

5:45 Chapman Family Research Center

6:00 archival vault – over 375 collections and over 4,000 artifacts

7:20 genealogy workshops

10:00 artifacts from southern Jewish general stores, e.g., 1890s saloon’s whiskey jug

12:30 collection digitization 

13:35 Jewish orphans’ home exhibition

14:30 MSJE’s film

15:20 A Better Life for Their Children exhibition

18:00 Greetings From Main Street exhibition

22:00 French Jews from Alsace-Lorraine

23:00 Central European Jews 

23:55 Galveston Plan – Rabbi Henry Cohen

26:00 New Americans exhibition at St. Charles Parish Library

26:30 love story of Joseph Sperling and Anni Frind 

36:00 New American Clubs

38:00 relevance of Holocaust survivors’ stories

39:45 rapid response collecting 

41:00 view of justice 

42:00 lynching of Leo Frank and southern Jewish mayors

44:00 social justice

44:50 Howard Turner – rapid response collecting

45:00 Emily Gould – slave trader memorials, e.g., Colston Statue in Bristol

48:00 Confederate statues built often by the Daughters of the Confederacy

50:45 future exhibition by MSJE on current war

52:00 Turner: school visits at MSJE

53:45 MSJE hours

54:35 Shalom Y’all video, etc. on MSJE site

56:00 visit to MSJE 

56:55 interactive map on St. Charles streetcar line

57:30 New Americans - upcoming MSJE exhibition 

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To learn more, please visit Dr. Hartung's site.
2:30 Jonathan Petropoulos' Faustian Bargain: The Art World in Nazi Germany
2:50 Hartung’s 2005 book, Art Theft in War and Persecution
3:25 representation in 2014 of Cornelius Gurlitt regarding the Gurlitt Trove
5:20 Gurlitt exemplifies issues with Germany’s soft law towards art restitution
6:50 twelve works from Gurlitt Trove confirmed as looted
7:15 works from Gurlitt Trove with historical gaps in provenance
8:50 Germany’s task force – 5 million Euros
10:20 degenerate art in Gurlitt Trove
11:10 works on loan from private collections seized as degenerate
11:40 Paul Klee’s “Swamp Legend” from Sophie Küppers
13:30 Kandinsky’s “The Colorful Life”–Irma Klein / Lewenstein Family
17:10 Germany’s shift from advisory commission to an arbitration tribunal
22:30 restitution of “The Colorful Life"
23:40 "Blick in Ebene" by Paul Adolf Seehaus to Koppel heirs
24:10 Gibb's "Aeneas and his Family Fleeing Burning Troy" to Hartveld heirs
24:35 Sir Justice Moses, chair of UK’s Spoliation Advisory Panel
26:00 restitution-Waldmüller’s “Young Girl with Her Family” looted from Teresa Belthower; acquired by Nazi photographer Heinrich Hoffmann
28:00 looted art scandal at Bavarian State Painting Collections
30:50 suit over Friedrich von Amerling’s “Girl with a Straw Hat”
37:05 Emily Gould–restitution by Bavaria versus other German states
39:55 no formal restitution schemes in Spain and Belgium
41:25 whistleblower from Bavarian State Painting Collections
42:50 Markus Stötzel, attorney for Flechtheim heirs
44:00 Picasso’s “Madame Soler” taken from Paul von Mendelssohn-Bartholdy; Bavaria refused to accept its body’s restitution recommendation
47:20 Hartung’s view of justice
48:00 Germany’s arbitration system-public versus private holders of work
50:40 new framework’s guidelines-presumptions and burden
53:55 new framework’s guidelines-dealers and work on commission
55:50 Hartung’s hope to contribute to higher justice and remembrance
57:20 Stolpersteine 
1:01:55 Aluko, Stein & Gould 

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To learn more about Silvia Wistuba and her work, please visit here and here.

Cover Image: Wistuba's adaptation of work by artist Julie Wolfthorn for the cover of Jugend magazine (1898).

Show Notes

0:00 Silvia Wistuba on equality of artists

1:15 Wistuba’s background

2:30 Gabriele Münter

4:30 ‘Malweiber’ meaning 

6:00 timeframe of ‘Malweiber’ labeling – 1871-1918

8:30 research process

12:00 regional approach to research

15:00 twelve female artists focused on in research

16:30 finding that art is not gendered

18:15 Charlotte Corinth

21:30 Dora Hitz

22:40 Maria Slavona

24:25 Augusta von Zitzewitz

25:20 Erma Bossi

26:25 Elisabeth Epstein

27:23 Maria Franck-Marc

30:30 Gabriele Münter

32:25 Elisabeth Erdmann-Macke

34:25 Ida Gerhardi 

36:30 Fifi Kreutzer

37:55 Olga Openheimer

40:30 range of resources 

43:30 Blue Rider Group

45:30 Gabriele Münter’s donation to Lenbachhaus (Munich) 

49:00 Museum Art of the Lost Generation 

51:30 current relevance

53:30 need for discourse on art’s social context

55:08 social justice for artists of the past

55:20 defining justice as respect shown to all

56:25 feedback

58:10 challenging the sexist paradigm that art is gendered

59:40 plans to convert thesis into book

1:00:15 derogatory nature of term ‘Malweiber’

1:01:45 cover image inspired by Julie Wolfthorn’s image 

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Show notes:

0:00 Dr. Fiona Greenland discussing collabarative work with Curia co-founder Dr. Michelle Fabiana 

2:00 Dr. Michelle Fabiani's background

3:40 Dr. Greenland’s background

5:40 collaboration between Greenland and Fabiani

7:10 overview of Curia Lab

9:40 Informatics, the science of information

11:30 Syrian project - how robust and reliable data on scope of Syrian looting was with a review of remote sensing imagery 

15:10 participants in Syrian project  

17:20 Syrian project – evidence on whether there is a connection between Syrian civilian fatalities/casualties and cultural heritage looting

22:45 prelude hypothesis 

27:50 war in Ukraine and its effects on Ukrainian culture

32:00 how the data is used to inform accountability 

34:30 Greenland’s work with Conflict Observatory Ukraine

36:00 Ukrainians’ current restitution, reparations and accountability efforts

37:50 user guides for each area 

42:30 Fabiani’s PhD project on Egyptian archeological looting 

44:00 current project that builds on PhD project 

46:00 impact of technology on their approach, including disinformation 

50:00 complications created by AI, including generative AI

54:00 perspective of skepticism required 

56:30 online risks and need for mitigation

58:15 how their work speaks to justice

58:30 Miranda Fricker’s book Epistemic Injustice: Power and the Ethics of Knowing

1:02:30 questions of justice for whom 

1:05:30 Lauren Stein: question on the role of universities in Curia Lab

1:07:50 hope for their work to establish frameworks of cooperation and collaboration that cherish equal access to knowledge/information that would then lead to equal access to accountability 

1:09:10 hope for their work to facilitate a shift to a multi-disciplinary approach 

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SHOW NOTES:

0:00 artist & attorney Gina McKlveen

1:05 artist & retired judge Jerry Alonzo - the impact of depression

3:00 documentary American Symphony 

3:50 Suleika Jaouad - release she experienced by painting about cancer 

6:00 Alonzo’s “Out of Balance” 

6:40 “Civic Sacrement"

8:20 woodwork during Alonzo’s time as a judge 

9:00 “The Jury Box” 

10:45 “The Judgment” 

11:45 “Justice is God’s Plumb Line” 

12:30 Environmental works like “Monstronse”  

13:15 “Justice?” 

14:15 “Passage”

14:40 “Faltering”

16:00 “Arc”

16:25 asylum work inspired “Matthew 25” 

20:30 importance of leaning into the pain

21:35 Emily Gould’s comments

23:30 American Symphony - leaning into anxiety through art

26:25 McKlveen’s response to Alonzo’s work

26:45 “Upturned House” by Phyllida Barlow 

27:20 “Inflated Balloons” 

27:50 Carnegie International 

28:40 McKlveen’s work leaning into grief and loss

29:35 “Fisherman on the Roof” 

37:45 “Mermaid Mama”

39:25 “Stay Wild”

40:15 “Heather’s Mama”

42:00 McKlveen’s grandparents

44:50 portraiture versus still life works

47:00 other artists who created still life paintings as portraits, e.g., Van Gogh

48:30 Alonzo’s response to McKlveen

49:05 Gould’s response to McKlveen

49:45 Oluwatobi Aluko’s response

51:00 McKlveen’s planned portrait of grandmother with post box like Mona Lisa

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To learn more, please visit Father Harmon's site.

Show notes:

1:15 Harmon’s background and work as priest since 2008

2:10 teaching fine arts and being a pastoral resource at Loyola University

3:00 his work in the arts

8:20 history of art in Jesuit community 

12:00 Daniel Segers, Jesuit Priest and artist 

12:30  Harmon’s process as a painter in light of being a ‘work of service’

16:00 Harmon’s painting from pilgrimage through Spain

17:30 students’ responses

19:15 his attendance at New York Academy of Art  

23:30 Jerry Alonzo: how to communicate through your art

26:45 Pope Benedict XVI’s Encyclical Letter Caritas in Veritate 

28:20 definition of ‘sacred art’

30:30 seeking social justice through art

32:00 his work in Brownsville, TX connected to his art

33:00 his series of Catholic objects

35:30 his balance of time

37:25 Alan Robertshaw’s comments about all art being sacred

42:10 Tolkien and Flannery O’Connor on religious imagination

44:00 incorporating Catholic objects into his work

46:50 Emily Gould - spiritual impact of artwork/architecture/nature

49:15 Jarnick Vitters - importance of the physical objects to Harmon’s faith

51:00 Alan Robertshaw - subjective importance of objects

53:30 Yelena Khajekian - art as a sacred endeavor

54:40 Nnebundo Obi - interest in hearing about priest’s pursuit of other vocations 

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Show notes:

3:00 David Newhoff - question of authorship

7:15 Peter Wasilko

9:00 Andres Guadamuz - blog post on AI copyright authorship

10:30 China’s focus on “intellectual achievement” 

12:20 Section 9(3) of its Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988 

13:00 Emily Gould - whether copyright is fit for purpose 

13:30 UK joint evidence session on the future of AI and copyright law 

17:15 Newhoff - use of an artist’s style 

18:40 Wasilko - an artist’s training of a model with its own work

20:15 artist's post-stroke gen-AI recording from model training on his work

21:00 Salles Bruins' question on definition of intellect 

25:40 - Ankit Sahni -  China’s protection

28:30 Sahni - India’s position on creativity falls in the middle 

29:00 Ankit Sahni - RAGHAV output “Suryast” 

33:45 Ankit Sahni - protection of AI-assisted works by China’s courts 

35:00 Wasilko - hypothetical of photographing sunsets on VR headsets

36:50 Ankit Sahni - USCO’s case by case basis

37:50 Newhoff - what is actually protectable against infringement

39:30 Sarony decision: looking at human choices used to create photos

41:00 Newhoff - ‘authorship by adoption’ is a “bridge too far”

42:15 Salles Bruins - question about training in Wasilko’s hypothetical

43:10 Wasilko - “bridge too far”-requiring license to “learn” from works

48:00 Stanford’s CodeX Group - talk on product JudgeAI 

50:30 Andres - human creativity exists irrespective of copyright 

52:00 Salles Bruins - copyright is a tool to enable artists to profit 

53:30 Kritika Sahni - defining intellect dependent on AI context 

54:50 Ankit Sahni - sui generis system of registration 

58:45 Gould - applying a right like copyright to output  "tough" to get right

1:02:00 Guadamuz - Ukraine’s sui generis right for AI works 

1:03:45 Jason Jean - defining intellect 

1:08:50 Newhoff - unconvinced that it’s a “sui generis question”

1:09:30 Wasilko - whether inputting human work makes model “assistive”

1:13:00 question of global copyright approach

1:17:15 what is the end game?

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To learn more, please visit Anja Neubauer's site.

Show Notes:

1:30 background in the law and tech 

4:45 overview of global framework “AI and Authorship Redefined: Towards a Global Copyright Framework for Commerce and Human Originality - Exploring Ownership, Infringement, Moral Rights, and Human Originality”

12:35 question of authorship

19:35 moral rights

26:30 viability of global copyright 

28:20 issues of injustice raised by AI

34:30 German study about developers’ infringement

38:00 public’s choice to lock up data 

39:00 The Congress 

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To learn more, please visit Amineddoleh & Associates LLC and view Leila Amineddoleh performing Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3.

Show Notes:

1:00 Amineddoleh’s background and work in music and law

4:00 Patty Gerstenblith 

7:00 building Amineddoleh & Assoc.

8:45 Amineddoleh's work with Greece 

10:00 perspective as musician aids in work as attorney to other artists 

11:00 Amineddoleh's experience with plagiarism 

14:20 Amineddoleh’s practice

15:45 Foreign Sovereign Immunities Act

19:50 artists’ perspectives in hiring an attorney 

22:50 Jerry Alonzo: what brings artists to seek out Amineddoleh

26:00 return of golden coffin of Nedjemankh 

31:45 use of AI 

36:30 AI-assisted Beatles song 

37:45 analogy of photography to AI outputs

38:20 Japanese photographer Hiroshi Sugimoto 

39:45 suit over copyright of monkey selfie 

41:45 Thaler v. USCO 

44:30 Rupali Gujral: negotiating on a client’s behalf

48:30 Stefania Salles Bruins: history of art collecting

52:30 Bruins: Amineddoleh's balancing of legal and musical practices

54:00 Amineddoleh’s perspective on sharing her music and performing

56:30 Liszt’s Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2  played by Bugs Bunny 

57:20 Amineddoleh’s performance of Chopin Polonaise, Op. 26, No. 1 and Liszt Liebestraum No. 3 

59:00 under-appreciated composer Brahms 

1:01:20 injustices in art law

1:04:30 Amineddoleh’s definition of justice - access

1:06:00 John Cage’s 4’33” 

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To learn more, please visit Frances Liddell's site.

Show Notes:
0:00 Frances Liddell on justice and technology
1:30 Liddell’s background
2:50 CryptoKitties
3:50 NFTs
5:20 ORAgen
& DECaDE research centre
7:20 C2PA
8:15 tokenized rights
9:45 ORA use cases
10:30 themes from ORA interviews
12:15 YouTube as a supportive platform v. TikTok
13:00 smart contracts and licensing
15:00 perspectives on attribution
16:30 Emily Gould question on attribution
24:50 animation sector with stronger preference for attribution not open source
26:45 interviews revealed uncertainty on data scraping
29:50 lack of awareness about the environmental impact of blockchain
31:50 repatriation and blockchain and her work as associate research fellow with
Art & Antiquities Blockchain Consortium
34:50 Balot NFT - Balot sculpture in Virginia Museum of Fine Arts 
37:30 ORA project status
38:15 ORAgen Fables
39:00 recommendations for creatives: to review C2PA & Content Credentials
41:00 Gould: responses during interviews about copyright concerns 
45:30 location of individuals interviewed
47:20 impact of tech on issues of injustice - benefits/concerns surrounding decentralization 
50:40 current work with ORA
51:30 Oluwatobi Aluko

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Show Notes:
1:00 Anki Sanhi
1:45 Sahni’s background and work
5:00 Eric Raymond’s The Cathedral and the Bazaar - essay on open source development
6:40 association with the arts
7:45 trademark enforcement work
10:00 infringement case between client working in fashion space sued by global brand
12:30 origin of the Raghav project
16:45 process to use Raghav
18:30 Van Gogh’s Starry Night
21:00 Raghav = Robust Artificially Intelligent Graphics and Arts Visualizer
21:45 Indian copyright application for “Suryast”
25:40 Section 2(d) of Indian Copyright Act, definition of author
34:30 Canadian copyright application for “Suryast”
35:35 Notice of Application filed in Canadian Federal Court by Samuelson-Glushko Canadian Internet Policy and Public Interest Clinic (CIPPIC)  against Sahni over “Suryast”
37:10 US copyright application for “Suryast”
37:35 Sahni’s US Counsel, Alex Garens, Esq. with Day Pitney
38:00 USCO decision on “Suryast”
43:30 India’s definition of ‘author’ - no qualifications
46:50 Parliamentary Standing Committee recommended creation of new right for AI works per Sahni’s recommendation
47:05 February 2024 -  Union Minister of State Commerce in India’s Parliament submitted that there is no need for creation of a new right and current legislation offers sufficient protection
48:45 ambiguity in Canada law on AI
49:40 USCO’s Request for Comments
52:00 Sahni’s position of need for amendment of US law to address AI
53:50 Optimus
54:50 Definition of justice
56:30 global harmonized principles on AI
57:30 injustice of humans unknowingly competing against AI due to historic suppression of AI use
59:00 Sahni’s intent to contribute to the change in law to address AI
1:00:00 consultation with Ryan Abbott, Esq.
1:00:50 Future projects 
1:02:20 shaping issues where art and law intersect
1:03:30 cultural impact of the debate over human authorship, AI and art
1:04:30 comparison of photography to AI

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Cover Image: Artist's MFA Studio - Tribeca Ball.
To learn more, please visit Stefania Salles Bruins' site.

Show Notes:
1:15 art school’s training to visually think
2:00 Bruins’ work as attorney
2:30 overview of grad program at New York Academy of Art
5:00 medium: use of linseed oil and paint without medium
5:30 tools: importance of brushes
6:15 support: Bruins’ preference for aluminum
7:15 Vincent Desiderio’s Cockaigne
8:00 Lesson 1 Perspective
8:45 Point of View
9:30 Lesson 2 Light
10:50 Lesson 2.5 Shadow
11:30 Rembrandt’s The Nightwatch
12:00 Lesson 3 Value
12:55 Lesson 4 Temperature
13:05 Courbet’s The Madman or The Desperate Man
13:50 Steven Assael - king of temperature shifts
14:20 Lesson 5 Depth
15:00 Value is King, Temperature is Queen and Color is a Fool
15:30 Lesson 6 Lines
15:40 shapes within da Vinci’s Mona Lisa
17:00 Adam Miller - narrative large oil paintings
17:20 Carl Dobsky
17:30 NYAA Big Stories exhibit artist talk
18:00 transitions within grad school and post-grad
19:40 learning to be your own voice of reason - parallel with work as general counsel
20:55 Old Masters Rembrandt and Vermeer
21:55 Alan Robertshaw: Vermeer’s use of optics
23:00 SSB: application of illusions in cinema and inspiration from movies more than paintings
24:00 Kubrick's Barry Lyndon
24:50 use of grids and projectors
27:15 use of technical and human assistants
28:45 critiques
30:00 art historical references to read the work
31:20 Nnebundo Obi: time commitments within art grad school
32:50 Escoda brushes
33:00 use of aluminum
34:45 advice for individuals who want to begin painting
35:30 always clean your brushes!

see also:

JP Roy's IG post re light

checkerboard illusion

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To learn more, please visit the World Culture Project and read about D. Paul Schafer's most recent book, The Great Cultural Awakening

Show Notes:

0:00 Schafer quotes Gurte: “live in the whole , the good and the beautiful”

2:15 background 

7:50 Ontario Arts Council

8:15 Arts Administration and Cultural Policy graduate program at York University

8:45 freelancer-UNESCO, Canadian Dep’t of External Affairs

9:25 publications predicated on argument that it’s time to shift from Economic Age to Cultural Age

9:50 creation of the World Culture Project

16:40 Culture: Beacon of the Future (1998)

18:10 AI impact

18:45 Geoffrey Hinton’s concerns over AI

20:50 Revolution or Renaissance: Making the Transition from an Economic Age to a Cultural Age (2008) 

24:25 The World as Culture: Cultivation of the Soul to the Cosmic Whole (2022)

30:05 The Great Cultural Awakening: Key to an Equitable, Sustainable and Harmonious Age (2024)

42:30 future leaders should have backgrounds in the arts and culture sector

46:50 Feedback received about The Great Cultural Awakening

48:00 excerpt from The Great Cultural Awakening’s chapter titled Tale of Two Ages that references Charles Dickens’ Tale of Two Cities

53:00 the power of art to address social injustice

1:00:00 definition of justice

1:02:20 Cultural Historian Johan Huizinga, author of The Waning of the Middle Ages

1:04:20 legacy 

1:06:40 future projects

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Show notes:

1:20 background and work in IP law and technology

2:20 blog article, “What can internet history teach us?”

3:25 IP issues emerging in the age of AI

5:10 inevitability of AI

6:40 global regulation of AI

8:25 Emily Gould - which body would handle global regulation of AI

11:00 Council of Europe’s adoption of first AI international treaty 

11:50 Gould - UK proposal to expand text and data mining exception to cover commercial uses 

14:55 transparency issues 

18:40 Gould - response - need for legislation

20:20 authorship question 

21:40 THJ Systems v. Sheridan (THJ Systems Ltd. v. Sheridan [2023] EWCA Civ 1354, [2024] E.C.D.R. 4, CA, 20 November 2023) is of great interest because it confirms the test for originality in copyright law in the UK after Brexit.

22:55 Li v. Liu, Case Number: (2023) Jing 0491 Min Chu No. 11279, Beijing Internet Court, 27 November 2023

25:00 NFTs

25:30 Thaler v. Perlmutter and USCO, USCA Case #23-5233 

 29:30 continued utility of copyright 

32:40 AI copyright suits in the US

36:30 cultural impact of AI models’ accelerated training capabilities 

38:20 view of whether there is a future for careers in art

42:50 tools like spawning.ai for artists’ protections 

43:00 opt ins versus opt outs

43:50 technological protections like Glaze and Nightshade 

45:15 difficulty of implementing opt ins 

47:45 injustices in the AI age and definition of justice

50:33 mark that Andres hopes to make with his work

53:40 Stefania Salles-Bruins - IP protection for AI software and outputs

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To learn more about Tetiana Cheprasova, please visit her page at Agency of Artists in Exile.

Special thanks to Valentina Kostornichenko for acting as interpreter in this episode.

Show Notes:

0:00 Tetiana Cheprasova's view of the war in Ukraine & interpreter Valentina Kostornichenko

1:30 Cheprasova's background and work in painting, photography, sculptures and graphic design 

4:50 Giovanni Ercolani’s book The Maidan Museum Preserving the Spirit of Maidan. Art, Identity and the Revolution of Dignity that features Cheprasova’s paintings inspired by Caravaggio

8:00 from Cheprasova's Depassement portfolio - paintings of hands, including wounded hands signifying stigmata 

10:30 Mariupol woman who inspired Cheprasova

20:40 ‘Stop Emotions’ series of 9 paintings

25:00 Cityscapes of Mariupol

29:30 sculpture that’s part of new work to depict destruction in Ukraine

34:00 Parisian architecture

35:00 consequences of war 

38:00 power of art to address social injustices and the impact of war

41:00 Cheprasova's view of justice 

45:40 Cheprasova’s work as art therapist

49:20 Cheprasova’s hope for viewers of her work

53:00 Giovanni Ercolani’s questions to Cheprasova 

56:00 if only one person is impacted by your work, it’s worth doing 

56:50 Artists as witnesses of their time

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To learn more, please visit Angie Elita Newell's site for All I See Is Violence.

Show Notes:

1:20 Newel’s background 

4:00 impetus to address historic inaccuracies

4:50 women warriors

5:30 research process

7:20 perspectives decided on for All I See Is Violence

8:45 interconnectedness of all 

10:15 timelines within All I See Is Violence

11:50 reading from All I See Is Violence

16:50 archival research

18:45 surreal stories from elders

20:40 feedback

21:40 Custer

22:40 power of art to address social issues

23:00 Picasso’s Guernica

25:00 reparations

25:50 the Very Little Truth and No Reconciliation Committee 

27:00 reservations / prison camps

28:30 publishing process and manipulation of the truth by the big 5 publishers

32:30 Indigenous Poet Joy Harjo

33:30 American Indian movement in the 1970s

35:50 concept of justice related to awareness

38:40 next book tells story of Apache leader Geronimo and female warrior Lozen

43:50 research on Lozen

45:00 Mexican slave trade of indigenous people 

45:45 questions from Anjali Rao

47:00 to build dual timelines, Newell asks questions about what’s the point and building on that overarching point

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Cover Photo by Nils Paellmann

0:00 Restitution Study Group (RSG) Executive Director Deadria Farmer-Paellmann 

1:30 overview of suit and issues raised 

4:30 Prof. Tobias Skowronek’s findings on the metals contained in the manillas

7:00 Dismissal of suit against Smithsonian based on mootness

7:55 court order that Plaintiffs conceded points and waived arguments 

8:45 ruling in OK reparations case for the 1921 Tulsa Race Massacre

10:30 Nigerian declaration by outgoing President Buhari 

12:00 critical argument that transfer was ultra vires  

13:00 Administrative Procedure Act - failure to hold public hearing on ‘ethical transfers’ creates First Amendment issue 

15:00 opinion on Nigeria’s position 

17:00 DNA research as to descendants from Esan People from Benin Kingdom

19:00 Benin Kingdom’s enslavement of their females

20:15 Manchester Museum’s 2023 repatriation to Australia’s Aboriginal Anindilyakwa community of Groote Eylandt

21:00 change in narratives offered by Frankfurt’s Museum of World Cultures and Berlin’s Humboldt Museum 
22:45 ancestral dedications at institutions holding Benin Bronzes

23:30 Benin Kingdom Museum in Harlem, NY 

25:15 underreporting on lawsuit 

26:00 shock about value of Benin Bronzes - a classic Wakanda story at end of first Black Panther film

28:20 potential for justice in US lower federal courts and in SCOTUS

31:00 narrative attached to the Benin Bronzes

33:30 Illinois State Rep. Carol Ammons - Joint chairwoman of Illinois Legislative Black Caucus meeting with Chicago's Field Museum

34:30 NY Legislator involved in work of RSG

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To learn more, please visit Fast Familiar's site.

Show Notes:

0:00 Briscoe discussing justice

1:20 Briscoe’s background in theatre and co-founding Fast Familiar

3:15 2015 project ‘Invisible Treasure’ about systems of power

4:40 2018 began work with computational artist Joe McAlister

5:20 technological solutions for use in projects 

6:30 The Justice Syndicate 

8:40 The Acquisitions Panel

9:40 collaborations 

10:25 The Evidence Chamber - forensic science work with University of Dundee 

13:00 use of comic strip with forensic information in The Evidence Chamber

15:40 Curse of the Burial Daggers 

18:00 Smoking Gun - collaboration with Data Stories 

23:00 outcomes in jury shows and influence of current events

25:25 machine learning with data gathered through projects

26:45 process 

28:40 Future for Fast Familiar

30:30 justice defined

32:20 feedback

35:35 arts to address social issues

38:20 2024 projects

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To learn more, please visit Laura Morelli's site.

Show Notes:

0:00 Laura Morelli  discussing the WWII era art looting

1:15 genesis of writing about the looting of Florentine art collections in The Last Masterpiece 

2:45 German Jewish artist Rudolph Levy as guest of German Art History Institute 

4:30 Stolperstein for Levy

5:00 perspectives in WWII Italy: museum officials, German expatriates and Allies

8:30 German Eva Brunner and American Josephine Evans - characters in The Last Masterpiece 

9:30 decisions on where to begin and end The Last Masterpiece

13:30 decision to use fictional characters versus historical figures in book

14:40 German Art History Institute Director Prof. Friedrich Kriegbaum

16:00 Kriegbaum’s participation in Hitler’s 1938 tour of Florence

18:25 Brunner’s back story

20:10 German photographer Hilde Lotz-Bauer who worked for Prof. Kriegbaum photographing Allied damage to historical monuments in Florence 

24:15 Evans based on Women’s Army Corp (WACs)

28:25 women who worked with and supported the Monuments Men

29:00 justice in terms of the individual actions and decisions that enabled the survival of art looted during WWII

31:30 books by Robert Edsel and Ilaria Dagnini Brey

32:15 survival bias 

33:30 van Dyck painting

33:40 Uffizi Director Eike Schmidt’s work for Germany to return looted Dutch painting

35:00 impact of propaganda during WWII

38:10 Michelangelo’s Secret Room with 16th C drawings 

42:20 2024 release of book related to hiding places in Tuscan countryside in 1943-44

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To learn more, please visit Barbara Hinske's website.

Cover photo of Barbara Hinske, 2020 Jean Laninga Creative.

Show Notes:

0:00 Guiding Emily Series to effect change for good in the sighted community

1:15 background in engineering and the law

2:00 whodunit books by Barbara’s father

2:25 double vision by auto accident led to Rosemont series

3:55 her approach to writing while still working as an attorney

7:00 work with a writing coach

8:15 writing coach Linden Gross

8:45 Author Conference on Clubhouse

10:30 Rosemont Series 

13:50 Guiding Emily Series

14:45 Guiding Emily movie on Hallmark in April 2024

15:00 genesis of Guiding Emily at Foundation for Blind Children

22:50 discrimination against the visually impaired community

24:45 unemployment rate of the visually impaired community

26:00 panel to address employability of individuals from visually impaired community

30:05 viewers@hallmarkmedia.com

35:20 exclusion of unsighted parents

37:30 guide dog graduation ceremony

40:20 Guiding Emily presentation

41:40 power of art to shift and address social issues

42:00 The Christmas Club

44:00 pregnant unsighted individual’s experience

45:30 Canadian child at Foundation for Blind Children

46:55 definition of justice

49:15 The Write Approach podcast

51:20 Hinske’s strong older female protagonists 

53:50 Final Circuit 

57:30 self-published in e-book and print; traditionally published in audio

58:00 Hinske’s legacy to uplift, encourage and empower

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