This episode begins a series focusing on the stages of ministry from seminary to retirement and beyond. Each episode will feature a conversation with pastors in a different decade of their ministry, and we begin by asking the Rev. Dr. Tim Cargal, Associate Stated Clerk for Ministry Preparation and Support with the Presbyterian Church (USA) what he's seeing as he works with seminaries and seminary students. Is seminary enrollment growing or declining? Is it easier or more difficult for seminary graduates to find a first call? Is it more difficult for white women and both men and women of color to find a church to serve? And do more of the older ministers need to retire to make room for the younger ones?!