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Welcome to series three of the Tyndale House podcast.

 

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This new series that we're starting

today is taking a deep

 

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dive into names in the Bible

with two members of our Old Testament

 

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team, Dr Caleb Howard and Dr

George Heath-Whyte.

 

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So let's start by getting to know

Caleb and George a little bit more first.

 

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Would you like to introduce yourselves

 

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Tell us who you are,

what your role is at Tyndale House.

 

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We'll start with you, Caleb. 

C: Okay, so I'm Caleb Howard.

 

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I am a Research Fellow in Old Testament

and Ancient Near East,

 

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that's the historical context of the Old

Testament, here at Tyndale House.

 

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I lead and manage

the Old Testament project at the moment,

 

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which is focusing on names, as Tony said.

 

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I am an Assyriologist, which means that

I study ancient Mesopotamia

 

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and in particular Mesopotamian texts

and languages, and also history.

 

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I work

 

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on names, but I also work on the Assyrian empire.

 

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So if you think Hezekiah

 

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and the siege of Jerusalem in 701 BC,

it's that empire.

 

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So that's my specialism.

 

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G: Yeah, I'm George.

 

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I am also an Assyriologist

 

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and I'm a Research Associate

in Old Testament and Ancient Near

 

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Eastern Studies.

 

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And I'm also working on the names project.

 

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And my specialism

is sort of the first half of the first

 

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millennium BC, the Assyrian Empire,

the Babylonian Empire.

 

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but for the project I'm working on,

 

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the period a bit earlier than that,

the late second millennium BC

 

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and the kingdom of Ugarit

on the Syrian coast.

 

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T: So we've mentioned the names

 

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project, an onomastics project,

what does onomastics mean?

 

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And what is the project?

 

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What are you trying to do?

 

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C: Yeah, so onomastics is the study of names.

 

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and we're looking specifically

at anthroponomastics

 

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So personal names, people's names.

 

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we're not looking at place names,

we’re not looking at animal names and so on.

 

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As Tony said, there are quite a lot of,

 

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names in, in the Old– personal names

in the Old Testament.

 

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and we're focusing on them.

 

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And if we think about the Old Testament,

as running, from sort of well,

 

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the project is focusing on the Old

Testament, from Abraham to Nehemiah.

 

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There's more in the Old Testament

than that.

 

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But, this is what we've chosen to,

to focus on, partly

 

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because there's just so much extra-

biblical material there

 

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for those periods.

 

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so that would be approximately 2000 BC

 

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down to about 400 BC.

 

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that's a long time.

 

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But we also have a lot of texts

from the time

 

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and place of the Old Testament

between those periods

 

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which we are using to populate a database.

 

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T: By texts from that period,

you don't mean biblical texts, you mean

 

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you're talking about extra-biblical texts

C: I mean extra-biblical texts

 

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C: Yeah, that's right. 

 

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No, that's all right.

 

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So, many of these texts are written

on cuneiform tablets.

 

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So cuneiform is a writing system,

especially used to write

 

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the language, the main language

of Mesopotamia, Akkadian,

 

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which is a language

related to Hebrew and Aramaic and so on.

 

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It's also used to write many other

languages, much like the Latin script.

 

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Some of the texts that we're looking at

are written on ostraca,

 

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so little pieces of pottery,

 

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and also on, on other,

sometimes perishable materials.

 

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The aim

 

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is to set the biblical names,

the names we find in the Old Testament,

 

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in the context of the names that we find

in the text outside the Bible.

 

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So if you think about, I don't know

if you think about the name James,

 

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or Violet in our time

in sort of in the West,

 

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in Britain or in the US or Canada

or somewhere like that,

 

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these are common names

and we recognise them as such.

 

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Right.

 

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If we hear the name James,

we can draw certain conclusions.

 

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For example,

the person is likely to be a man.

 

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because we know the names

in our time and place,

 

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and it stands to reason

that someone like Abraham

 

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or someone like David, or someone

like Nehemiah would have a sense of the

 

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onomasticon, the pool of names,

the set of names, in their own time.

 

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One of our goals in the onomastics

project is to populate the pool of names

 

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from the Old Testament period,

 

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and then to think about the biblical names

in that context.

 

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T: Wow.

 

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And how long is this

project going to take?

 

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G: Well, it's a ten year project.

 

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We're about halfway through.

Is that right?

C: Thereabouts

 

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Terrifying.

 

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Let's get a move on.

 

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T: Terrifying because there's so little time left?

 

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C: Yes. Yes.

 

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It may seem like five years

is a short, a long time, but it isn't

 

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when we're doing this research.

 

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T: And you're looking at a couple of particular places

 

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where the names are from.

 

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George, do you want to say a little bit about those places?

 

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G: Well, I suppose we want to look at, names

from, as Caleb said, from 2000 BC

 

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to 400 BC

 

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but a lot of projects have already done

really good work in collecting

 

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names from various different sites

and time periods.

 

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So we're trying, well at the moment,

our main goal is to fill in the gaps,

 

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in the data where names, we have

all these texts that have been published,

 

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or not, but we don't have,

 

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a good database of the names

from those texts.

 

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and most of these texts,

are very different to the sorts of texts

 

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we get in the Bible.

 

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They're letters or legal documents

or just administrative lists.

 

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and so we at the moment are focusing on

two sites, from the second millennium BC.

 

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so Alalakh and Ugarit,

 

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Alalakh is in southern Turkey, and Ugarit is on the coast of modern day Syria

 

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and Alalakh

has texts from sort of early second

 

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millennium BC,

and the late second millennium BC as well.

 

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And Ugarit has texts from

the late second millennium BC,

 

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together sort of a couple thousand

 

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and by getting the names

from these times and places

 

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we are getting close to,

the period of, well, starting with Abraham

 

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going up through Judges and the conquest, well the conquest and then Judges.

 

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and we're not sort of

in the state of Israel,

 

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but we are in a neighboring state,

around the same time, the same place,

 

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and Ugarit in particular,

is a very international place.

 

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People are moving from all over the known world at the time from Egypt,

 

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from modern day

Turkey, from all over the place

 

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they're doing trade, they’re moving in and out.

 

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and so it's a really good place

to look at the sorts of names that were

 

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and the sorts of people that were

moving around in that time period.

 

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T: It's all really interesting.

 

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How will it help us

 

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in understanding names in the Bible

better?

 

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C: Yeah,

 

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so a straightforward way

that this helps us to understand things

 

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is just to see that

the names in the Bible fit in their time.

 

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So when we find that a name like Abram,

 

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is fairly common

really across the biblical period,

 

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not just in Abraham's own time,

 

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right

 

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there's this sense that, well,

this works, this makes sense.

 

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And, when we sort of populate

the onomasticon

 

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of the time and place

of the Old Testament,

 

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we can find exact correspondences

 

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between the Old Testament names

and the extra-biblical names.

 

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So there's a kind of,

I don't know, on the face of it

 

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correspondence there

 

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that sort of helps us to understand

what's going on in the Bible historically

 

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it helps us to situate the Bible

in its setting.

 

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But there are more specific ways

in which this helps us.

 

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An example

 

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would be the development

of language change.

 

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so language,

all languages change through time.

 

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This is clear.

 

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So if you studied Middle English or Old

English texts, you will see how English

 

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has changed over time.

 

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If you're familiar at all with the King

James Version of the Bible,

 

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you will recognise that King

James English is not modern English.

 

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Well, Hebrew in the language family,

the Semitic languages and the

 

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change through time.

 

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And you can see that going on in common

texts, but you can also see it going on

 

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in names.

 

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Names reflect the change of language through time.

 

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And it's possible on that basis,

to some degree, to establish

 

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a kind of relative chronological order

of where we expect names to occur in time

 

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across the biblical text on the basis

of those names

 

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occurring or not, or features,

linguistic features in names occurring

 

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or not across time, outside of the Bible,

in texts outside of the Bible.

 

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This is also true to some degree

with respect to the kinds of,

 

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words that we find in names.

 

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So names outside of the Bible

and inside of the Bible mean

 

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things, they're translatable.

 

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So they were probably transparent

 

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in their meaning to native speakers.

 

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and so, it's possible over time to see how

 

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elements of names, words in names

come in and out of names through time.

 

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Many of them are pretty stable

across time, but some of them occur

 

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in some periods and not in other periods.

 

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A good example of

this is the divine element,

 

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the divine name Yahweh,

which if you look at the Bible,

 

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is very uncommon in names in early periods

 

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in the Bible before say, well,

 

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Judges and certainly

 

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in, in 1 and 2 Samuel

and following.

 

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So we have you Jochebed, which has

the Yahwistic name, the name Yahweh in it.

 

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in, this is Aaron and Moses’s mother.

 

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And then we have Joshua, Yehoshua,

 

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whose name has the,

 

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name Yahweh in it.

 

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But those are the only two

in that early period.

 

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And increasingly, as time

goes, the name Yahweh appears in names

 

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more and more, as time goes on.

 

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So that by the later

period of Israelite history,

 

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just before the exile

and even during the exile,

 

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the name Yahweh occurs in people's names

very often, very commonly.

 

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So you can see how in that case, it's

a matter of a divine name

 

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appearing or not

 

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through time.

 

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So in that later period,

then you've got people like

 

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Hezekiah, Joshua,

 

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Jehoiakim and

and all of these are including

 

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the divine name.

 

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Yeah, yeah. Yes. Exactly.

 

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yes. Yeah.

 

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So Yehoyakin for example,

 

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means Yeho,

 

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which is a shortened form of Yahweh.

 

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‘will establish’ or ‘has established’,

 

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depending on how you analyse

the verb in Yehoyakin

 

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and this is a fairly common reality.

 

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T: Yeah.

 

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Great.

 

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So we'll hear more about that

as we go through the series.

 

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We've already picked up

on the idea that names have meanings.

 

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And, the meaning of names

seems to be particularly important

 

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in the Bible in a way

that it doesn't feel like it does to us.

 

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And yet, when children are given names,

even in our world, we often do

 

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think about their meanings. 

 

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Tell us about your names. 

 

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What do your names mean?

 

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G: Well, George is from the Greek word for farmer.

 

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There you go.

 

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T: Okay, great. But you’re not a farmer. 

G: But I think

 

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one thing that's interesting about my name

is that I'm not a farmer,

 

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and the meaning of the name,

I don't think came into the choice

 

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of the name, but my father was reading

a biography of George Whitefield,

 

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when him and my mum

were thinking about names

 

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and apparently decided that sounds like,

that would be a good name.

 

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So not that I'm necessarily named

after George Whitefield, but,

 

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sort of, my name was inspired

by a figure in history.

 

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So that sort of meaning of the name, even

though it's not the sort of translatable

 

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meaning of the name, was important.

 

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But that's, yeah, that's my name. 

 

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C: Yours is more interesting than mine

 

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G: Yours is funnier though

 

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C: Yeah, yeah. So Caleb means dog

 

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of course it's a biblical name.

 

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Or does it mean that?

 

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So given 

 

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C: the way that George–

G: Trying to prove that it doesn't. 

C: No it does

 

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It does.

 

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But, the way that George has

 

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just problematised

the whole notion of names meaning things,

 

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so my parents, I think, gave me the name

 

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because, of the biblical character

 

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and the idea that in Joshua,

 

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and other books, Caleb is a faithful person.

 

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He's a person who obeys the Lord,

trusts God.

 

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And I think the idea is that they gave me

the name in connection with their sense

 

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that that was an admirable

sort of person to be.

 

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So does the name to them mean dog,

 

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or does the name to them mean

the character behind the name

 

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in the Bible,

 

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and then

potentially it gets connected to me.

 

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Maybe I live up to it and maybe I don't.

 

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Probably not.

 

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But, anyway, the idea is that I would.

 

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So etymologically we might say

that is to say in terms of the,

 

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the original sense of the name,

where it comes from linguistically,

 

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Caleb comes from the Semitic word

meaning dog.

 

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It occurs in lots of Semitic languages.

 

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And it's not clear to me

 

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whether dog was a good thing

or a bad thing.

 

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Maybe dog is a loyal notion.

 

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Maybe dog is, I don't know, a low notion

of some kind, difficult to know.

 

00:14:01:46 - 00:14:04:16

G: And we do find lots of people

with that name

 

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outside the Bible as well

 

00:14:05:48 - 00:14:07:16

from those sorts of times and places.

 

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So obviously, presumably it wasn't an

awful thing to be called Caleb, but–

 

00:14:12:16 - 00:14:13:02

C: Yeah, maybe.

 

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

 

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So it's worth just thinking about this

notion of a name’s meaning right?

 

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Sort of its etymological sense, its original sense,

 

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we might say its original linguistic

sense, is not necessarily the same thing

 

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as the meaning, the associative

meaning that it has in the minds of its

 

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bearers or bestowers of names.

 

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So my name etymologically

 

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means Caleb, but there's a connection

with a biblical character.

 

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No sorry it means, dog,

 

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but there's a connection with the biblical character.

 

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T: Yeah, mine apparently means the smallest of a litter of pigs.

 

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And I have absolutely no idea

why my parents gave me this name.

 

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I think it has no particular significance.

 

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I think they just liked the sound of it.

 

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But I never think about the meaning of it

in normal life.

 

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It's only in these kind of conversations

where it's an even funnier name

 

00:14:59:42 - 00:15:01:47

than dog.

 

00:15:01:47 - 00:15:03:45

Yeah.

 

00:15:03:45 - 00:15:06:28

At least

a dog has connotations of faithfulness.

 

00:15:06:28 - 00:15:10:07

I'm not sure what the what connotations

a runt has,

 

00:15:11:37 - 00:15:12:37

but there we are.

 

00:15:12:37 - 00:15:15:30

I ended up fairly tall,

so it wasn't too bad, but,

 

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in day to day life,

 

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we may know the meaning of our names,

but we don't think about it.

 

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Now, obviously this is speculation, but

 

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to what extent do you think that would

also be true in the ancient world?

 

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Do you think people, Caleb, for instance,

do you think he would have

 

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kind of gone through life with that sense,

 

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maybe that sense of faithfulness or,

 

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or somebody else

 

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with, whose name has a very distinctive

meaning,

 

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Abraham, ‘exalted father’,

 

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maybe he was aware of the meaning

of his name, because it was so ironic

 

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for most of his life

that he wasn't a father at all.

 

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Or do you think people,

as in the modern world, it's a label,

 

00:16:00:00 - 00:16:01:05

it's part of our identity.

 

00:16:01:05 - 00:16:05:17

But the meaning is, it's

just it's something in the background?

 

00:16:06:23 - 00:16:10:14

G: Yeah it’s difficult. There is this concept called

nominative determinism

 

00:16:11:00 - 00:16:16:05

whereby I, sort of making it up,

but sort of like people with the surname

 

00:16:16:05 - 00:16:19:43

Judge are statistically more likely

to go into the legal profession

 

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than people with other surnames or that sort of thing.

 

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T: The first marine biologist I ever met

was called Jim Dolphin.

 

00:16:24:49 - 00:16:26:29

G: There you go. Exactly. Yeah, yeah.

 

00:16:26:29 - 00:16:30:25

So it seems that there is a way that

if people do know the meaning of the word,

 

00:16:30:36 - 00:16:33:10

their names, or if their names do have obvious meaning,

 

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that maybe somehow it does sort of tend

to influence their decisions as they,

 

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as they’re growing up, perhaps.

 

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It would be interesting to think about how we

 

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how we think of people

we know that do have names

 

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with obvious meaning in our language,

like Hope or Lily or something.

 

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My experience, if I think about it, is I'm

not often

 

00:16:54:36 - 00:16:57:37

thinking about the meaning of a friend's name,

 

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even if it does have a very obvious

meaning in the language. For me,

 

00:17:02:17 - 00:17:05:48

when I'm thinking of someone called Hope,

I'm thinking of the person

 

00:17:05:48 - 00:17:08:48

and not the meaning of the name,

but when it come, when it

 

00:17:09:04 - 00:17:11:38

in certain instances I might think, oh,

that's funny, she's called Hope

 

00:17:11:38 - 00:17:14:34

and she's lost

all hope in something or whatever it is.

 

00:17:14:34 - 00:17:16:47

T: And I guess actually

just on the back of that there,

 

00:17:16:47 - 00:17:20:41

there are some names that are more likely,

I suppose, because the meaning is so

 

00:17:21:04 - 00:17:22:46

very obvious, like Hope,

 

00:17:22:46 - 00:17:25:09

we don't even have to stop

and think about it.

 

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But a name like Grace or Joy,

 

00:17:28:21 - 00:17:31:43

I think about the meaning of their names

more often than I would

 

00:17:32:12 - 00:17:34:19

George, George the farmer or whatever.

 

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G: Yeah. Yeah.

 

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C: Yeah.

 

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Well it's worth just thinking about the fact that

 

00:17:40:41 - 00:17:43:41

in our language, in English,

 

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the meanings of names are more readily

available to us

 

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in common speech

than maybe in other languages.

 

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And I think this is certainly true

for Hebrew in the Bible.

 

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and in related languages

outside of the Bible, we're finding that

 

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names regularly have pretty transparent

meanings to native speakers,

 

00:18:02:24 - 00:18:05:20

in the sources that we're reading,

which is quite different from

 

00:18:05:20 - 00:18:08:39

our situation,

which means that we have to sort of

 

00:18:08:42 - 00:18:11:44

take a step back and think, well,

how would they have been engaging

 

00:18:11:44 - 00:18:14:10

with names

a bit differently then than we would?

 

00:18:14:10 - 00:18:17:21

T: So it would be more like the Hope, Joy, Grace,

 

00:18:17:34 - 00:18:20:29

kind of names than the Caleb, George

G: Yeah, with basically every name

 

00:18:20:29 - 00:18:21:15

C: Exactly.

 

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Right, right.

 

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G: But we don't translate the names

in our Bible.

 

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So we get these,

you know, when people are doing

 

00:18:26:33 - 00:18:29:02

their readings on Sunday morning,

they stumble across the names.

 

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Everyone thinks it's quite funny,

but yeah, we don't translate the names,

 

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whereas they would have had obvious meaning

 

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most of them to the original readers

and hearers of the Bible.

 

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T: Yeah.

 

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C: It's clear that when

 

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people engage with names,

 

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the meanings of which are clear to them

 

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that in their minds

 

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and I think in our minds we can engage

with names like Joy and so on

 

00:18:53:27 - 00:18:58:40

in a purely kind of name

sense, label-for-person sense

 

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and then also in

a kind of lexical sense,

 

00:19:01:16 - 00:19:02:33

where we're thinking about the meaning of it.

 

00:19:02:33 - 00:19:06:28

We can move back and forth along

a spectrum between those two extremes

 

00:19:06:48 - 00:19:12:07

in our minds, and certain situations

can flag up the lexical meaning of a name.

 

00:19:12:25 - 00:19:15:01

Joy is a joyful notion. 

 

00:19:15:01 - 00:19:18:01

Violet is a flower and also a colour

and so on.

 

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And we can use that,

 

00:19:21:21 - 00:19:24:21

we can activate that aspect of our brains,

that active,

 

00:19:24:21 - 00:19:27:21

that aspect of our knowledge of the

onomasticon.

 

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But equally, we can simply refer

to a person who is called Violet

 

00:19:30:39 - 00:19:33:22

or refer to a person who's called George,

even though we now

 

00:19:33:22 - 00:19:35:26

we know that his name means

farmer. Maybe I'll never

 

00:19:36:40 - 00:19:38:26

yeah, maybe always think of that now.

 

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But George is not a farmer he’s

 

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an academic Assyriologist.

 

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Yes, but we can move back and forth

between these senses.

 

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Right.

 

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Name is a label for a person

versus name being

 

00:19:49:28 - 00:19:52:17

a word in the language.

 

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And it seems likely that there was this

 

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kind of moving back and forth

going on in the ancient world.

 

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We find this in the Bible, for example,

when children are named

 

00:20:03:16 - 00:20:06:42

and some connection is drawn

between the circumstances of birth

 

00:20:07:25 - 00:20:10:25

and the meaning of the name

or the sounds of the name.

 

00:20:11:17 - 00:20:14:45

and this is, you’ll recognise

this is a common theme, particularly

 

00:20:14:45 - 00:20:18:03

in the book of Genesis, but also to

some degree in other books as well.

 

00:20:18:46 - 00:20:21:40

T: And we'll talk particularly

about that in our next episode.

 

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Just going back to the nominative determinism thing

 

00:20:25:44 - 00:20:29:00

there’s a—and maybe we'll talk

about this next episode as well—

 

00:20:29:00 - 00:20:32:00

but let's just briefly look at it now.

 

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There is the sense

 

00:20:34:43 - 00:20:39:07

of some people in the Bible

having names that are almost prophetic

 

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for them, maybe is the best way of putting it so

 

00:20:44:00 - 00:20:46:16

so Caleb,

 

00:20:46:16 - 00:20:49:03

you know, he's called Caleb as a young kid

 

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and did his parents

have a connotation of faithfulness there?

 

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But he grows up to be a faithful man.

 

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Abraham, ‘exalted father’,

 

00:20:58:46 - 00:21:00:36

the Lord says your name is going to be

 

00:21:00:36 - 00:21:03:03

Abraham,

 

00:21:03:03 - 00:21:05:29

which is ‘father of many’

 

00:21:05:29 - 00:21:08:12

I think. Okay.

 

00:21:08:12 - 00:21:09:42

That's how it's often, often said.

 

00:21:09:42 - 00:21:11:35

We'll come back to that.

 

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and then eventually

he does become a father, but,

 

00:21:14:00 - 00:21:16:49

maybe he's a bit of a special case,

but there are,

 

00:21:16:49 - 00:21:19:07

so there are people who

seem to live out their name,

 

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and other people who don't.

 

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So when we're reading Scripture,

should we be

 

00:21:26:06 - 00:21:30:18

should we be always reading with an eye

to the meaning of their name

 

00:21:30:40 - 00:21:35:18

or is it okay

just to be thinking of them as labels?

 

00:21:37:26 - 00:21:39:00

how does all of that work?

 

00:21:39:00 - 00:21:39:42

C: that's very helpful.

 

00:21:39:42 - 00:21:41:29

T: Maybe that's an over-complicated question.

 

00:21:41:29 - 00:21:42:21

C: No, no, it's very helpful.

 

00:21:42:21 - 00:21:43:14

I think a good guide to

 

00:21:43:14 - 00:21:46:38

this is just whether the text is already

making something of the name.

 

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Right.

 

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If that's already

a live issue in the text

 

00:21:50:00 - 00:21:52:43

then, and I think actually Abraham is a good example,

 

00:21:52:43 - 00:21:57:09

however you analyse that name

etymologically, the text does

 

00:21:57:09 - 00:22:02:49

make a connection between Avram ‘exalted

father’ and Avraham, ‘father of-’

 

00:22:03:15 - 00:22:07:24

well, I think it's still ‘exalted father’,

but with an added ‘h’

 

00:22:07:38 - 00:22:10:41

which is very interesting,

but it sounds like hamon,

 

00:22:11:05 - 00:22:14:38

which is this word from multitude

which also occurs in the context.

 

00:22:14:38 - 00:22:18:07

you will be a father of a multitude

of peoples, of nations.

 

00:22:19:01 - 00:22:20:27

And so there's a sound connection.

 

00:22:20:27 - 00:22:23:30

So it's important to recognise that

the connections made in the Bible between

 

00:22:23:30 - 00:22:26:36

names and circumstances around birth

and the person's life

 

00:22:26:36 - 00:22:29:44

and so on, are not merely around

the meaning of the name,

 

00:22:30:03 - 00:22:33:48

but also around the sounds in connection

with other words in the context.

 

00:22:34:26 - 00:22:38:02

So this is a I think this is a fairly common reality.

 

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So you can see it in the case of Samuel,

and I think you can see it also

 

00:22:41:08 - 00:22:44:08

in the shift from Avram to Avraham.

 

00:22:44:11 - 00:22:47:31

The etymological meaning between Avram

and Avraham, I think, is 

 

00:22:47:33 - 00:22:49:01

I think they're identical.

 

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And in some Semitic languages

we have the addition of an ‘h’

 

00:22:51:33 - 00:22:55:05

in a word like 

this raham versus ram

 

00:22:55:31 - 00:22:59:20

ram is this exalted

word with the ‘h’ added raham.

 

00:23:00:30 - 00:23:01:17

this is

 

00:23:01:17 - 00:23:04:26

not doesn't change

the meaning of the word etymologically,

 

00:23:04:32 - 00:23:07:26

but it does draw a connection

then between another,

 

00:23:07:26 - 00:23:11:20

between the name and another term

in the context in which it's explained.

 

00:23:11:42 - 00:23:13:34

And so there's a sound connection.

 

00:23:13:34 - 00:23:17:26

So it's worth thinking, sort

of broadening our scope of understanding

 

00:23:17:38 - 00:23:20:38

of the relationship

between names and the reasons

 

00:23:20:38 - 00:23:24:26

for which they're given to include

not just etymology or lexemes

 

00:23:24:27 - 00:23:28:46

and meaning,

but also sounds. Broadly correspondence

 

00:23:28:46 - 00:23:32:06

is the order of the day rather

than a particular type of correspondence.

 

00:23:32:06 - 00:23:33:33

T: Yeah. Right.

 

00:23:33:33 - 00:23:36:22

So that's very interesting about Abraham

 

00:23:36:22 - 00:23:39:22

because that makes me wonder if

 

00:23:39:25 - 00:23:43:01

if Avram and Avraham

really mean the same thing

 

00:23:44:07 - 00:23:46:28

and yet the Lord wants him

 

00:23:46:28 - 00:23:49:28

to think of himself as Avraham.

 

00:23:50:24 - 00:23:53:48

Is that hearing of

 

00:23:53:48 - 00:23:58:08

of the sound

therefore going to more remind him of

 

00:23:58:28 - 00:24:01:44

what the Lord is going to do for him

than his original name did?

 

00:24:01:44 - 00:24:03:43

I don't know,

I mean, this is complete speculation

 

00:24:03:43 - 00:24:07:07

about what's going on in Abraham's mind

a long time ago.

 

00:24:07:13 - 00:24:09:28

but yeah, that's very interesting.

 

00:24:09:28 - 00:24:12:28

C: There's a very interesting case

in Samuel,

 

00:24:13:02 - 00:24:15:27

whose name means, ‘name of God’,

 

00:24:15:27 - 00:24:16:22

Shmuel,

 

00:24:18:21 - 00:24:19:31

it means ‘name of God.’

 

00:24:19:31 - 00:24:22:35

And in the context

of the giving of the name Samuel

 

00:24:24:15 - 00:24:27:10

there’s not so much being made

in the name of God.

 

00:24:27:10 - 00:24:30:48

rather, when Hannah names him,

she uses the Hebrew word

 

00:24:30:48 - 00:24:33:48

for ask repeatedly, sha’al.

 

00:24:35:36 - 00:24:39:24

In fact, five times

in the context of Samuel's naming,

 

00:24:39:46 - 00:24:45:03

sha’al is used to explain the circumstances

of Samuel being born,

 

00:24:45:16 - 00:24:48:15

and even to explain the giving of the name.

Sha’al,

 

00:24:48:15 - 00:24:51:49

‘to ask’, she says, I asked him from God,

and the Lord is given him.

 

00:24:52:23 - 00:24:55:23

And so she's called his name Shmuel,

‘name of God’.

 

00:24:55:49 - 00:24:57:45

Now, of course,

there are theological connections

 

00:24:57:45 - 00:25:00:18

and etymological connections

between name of God

 

00:25:00:18 - 00:25:03:04

and the circumstances

of God's work in Samuel's life,

 

00:25:03:04 - 00:25:04:34

naturally.

 

00:25:04:34 - 00:25:08:34

but she makes this connection and I think

on the basis of sound similarities,

 

00:25:08:45 - 00:25:12:49

sha’al and the forms

in which it occurs in 1 Samuel 1

 

00:25:13:40 - 00:25:18:16

sounds similar to Shmuel, they share

all of the same sounds. 

 

00:25:18:16 - 00:25:19:26

T: Apart from the ‘m’ sound

 

00:25:19:26 - 00:25:20:02

C: Yeah

 

00:25:20:02 - 00:25:22:28

C: The ‘m’ sound

T: Which is quite an introduction into his name.

 

00:25:22:28 - 00:25:25:47

C: Yeah, it is,

but there's an interesting thing here

 

00:25:25:47 - 00:25:31:01

that, the last instance of

of the word sha’al ‘to ask’ in 1 Samuel

 

00:25:31:01 - 00:25:34:16

1 is a passive participle sha’ul,

 

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which means ‘asked one’, ‘one asked for’.

 

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And she refers to him

as one asked for from God.

 

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But sha’ul sounds exactly like Saul.

 

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King Saul, who,

as we keep reading in 1 Samuel,

 

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becomes a major figure in relation

to Samuel himself.

 

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And so there's this flagging literarily

in the text of a major character

 

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that will come up.

 

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And if you can think about this sort of

 

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from the point of view

of having never read that story before,

 

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it's a sort of latent notion that arises

again further along in the story

 

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and you may recognise it

if you've read from beginning to end,

 

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or if you read it already

before you see it and you think,

 

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‘Ah Saul is coming up,’ and there's

this connection already between Samuel and Saul

 

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so this is part of the literary

brilliance of the biblical text.

 

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T: Yeah.

 

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Brilliant.

 

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Well, that's a great start to this series

 

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I think, we've got a lot more

to talk about.

 

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And next time we'll be talking about

the giving of names more specifically

 

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at birth, why people are given

the names they are, what those names mean.

 

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Maybe some of the changing patterns.

 

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But for now, great, thank you very much.