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And"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2711.29,"endTime":2716.45,"body":"I, you know, that just that, in"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2716.45,"endTime":2721.01,"body":"itself is something that I would"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2716.45,"endTime":2721.01,"body":"want my nine year old to hear."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2721.34,"endTime":2727.76,"body":"Because, you know, it is it's"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2721.34,"endTime":2727.76,"body":"just so important to do that for"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2727.76,"endTime":2733.22,"body":"yourself. And, you know, I guess"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2727.76,"endTime":2733.22,"body":"I just I get the warm and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2733.22,"endTime":2737.27,"body":"fuzzies from that, because I"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2733.22,"endTime":2737.27,"body":"feel like, it's almost the same"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2737.27,"endTime":2741.47,"body":"thing that I'd want to say to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2737.27,"endTime":2741.47,"body":"myself, you know, many years ago"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2741.47,"endTime":2745.61,"body":"as well, and being able to now"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2741.47,"endTime":2745.61,"body":"put this out there to the"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2745.61,"endTime":2750.23,"body":"audience. I love this and I"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2745.61,"endTime":2750.23,"body":"value it. And I appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2750.23,"endTime":2753.86,"body":"And I am so grateful for you"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2750.23,"endTime":2753.86,"body":"sharing this with us."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2753.95,"endTime":2759.26,"body":"Thanks. You know,"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2753.95,"endTime":2759.26,"body":"it's, again, we talked earlier"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2759.26,"endTime":2762.8,"body":"about you know, when you're the"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2759.26,"endTime":2762.8,"body":"analogy I use when you're in"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2762.8,"endTime":2766.01,"body":"your own quicksand, it's hard"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2762.8,"endTime":2766.01,"body":"sometimes to be objective. So"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2766.01,"endTime":2768.86,"body":"you know, again, knowing what I"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2766.01,"endTime":2768.86,"body":"know, now going back in time, it"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2768.86,"endTime":2772.22,"body":"would be much easier to, you"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2768.86,"endTime":2772.22,"body":"know, kind of add clarity to"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2772.22,"endTime":2772.64,"body":"things."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2772.64,"endTime":2773.09,"body":"Right (laughs)."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2774.56,"endTime":2778.46,"body":"You know, it comes"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2774.56,"endTime":2778.46,"body":"down to again, common sense a"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2778.46,"endTime":2781.28,"body":"lot of it and figuring it out."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2781.61,"endTime":2782.33,"body":"Perfect."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2782.36,"endTime":2783.32,"body":"It just is."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2784.73,"endTime":2788.48,"body":"So let's to wrap"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2784.73,"endTime":2788.48,"body":"this up. Jimmy, tell, tell us,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2788.51,"endTime":2793.16,"body":"give us your Top5 tips to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2788.51,"endTime":2793.16,"body":"Figuring It Out."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2793.37,"endTime":2796.46,"body":"All right. So"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2793.37,"endTime":2796.46,"body":"fortunately, you gave me a heads"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2796.46,"endTime":2799.79,"body":"up on this. So I was able to"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2796.46,"endTime":2799.79,"body":"give it some thought because I'm"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2799.79,"endTime":2801.92,"body":"not sure how I would have been"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2799.79,"endTime":2801.92,"body":"able to answer it on the spot."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2801.98,"endTime":2802.4,"body":"Right? (laughs)"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2802.64,"endTime":2804.68,"body":"I came up with"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2802.64,"endTime":2804.68,"body":"this. There's a beginning and an"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2804.68,"endTime":2809.6,"body":"end. 1. So breathe. Breathing is"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2804.68,"endTime":2809.6,"body":"good. It's essential. 2. Assess."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2809.6,"endTime":2816.44,"body":"3. Common Sense. Use your common"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2809.6,"endTime":2816.44,"body":"sense. So it's breathe. Assess."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2816.44,"endTime":2821.87,"body":"Common sense. 4. Exhale. That's"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2816.44,"endTime":2821.87,"body":"the other part of the breathe."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2821.87,"endTime":2825.62,"body":"5. And be be yourself be"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2821.87,"endTime":2825.62,"body":"genuine."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2826.1,"endTime":2826.88,"body":"Yes!"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2827.24,"endTime":2829.25,"body":"Because honest"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2827.24,"endTime":2829.25,"body":"almost always the best policy"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2829.25,"endTime":2831.68,"body":"and the more you try to be what"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2829.25,"endTime":2831.68,"body":"you're not, the more you're"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2831.68,"endTime":2835.67,"body":"going to mess it up. So I think"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2831.68,"endTime":2835.67,"body":"that's my five."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2835.73,"endTime":2840.02,"body":"Perfect, I love"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2835.73,"endTime":2840.02,"body":"all of these. Breathe. Assess."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2840.26,"endTime":2846.38,"body":"Common Sense. Exhale. Be"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2840.26,"endTime":2846.38,"body":"yourself be genuine. And I love"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2846.38,"endTime":2851.78,"body":"it. I love that. And I am so, so"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2846.38,"endTime":2851.78,"body":"happy that we were able to spend"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2851.78,"endTime":2852.77,"body":"some time together today."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2852.91,"endTime":2856.715,"body":"Thank you. This was"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2852.91,"endTime":2856.715,"body":"fun. I appreciate you asking me."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2856.788,"endTime":2861.472,"body":"I hope there's value in this for"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2856.788,"endTime":2861.472,"body":"somebody out there. And thanks,"},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2861.545,"endTime":2862.57,"body":"appreciate it."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2863.139,"endTime":2865.479,"body":"Excellent. Thank"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2863.139,"endTime":2865.479,"body":"you so much, Jimmy."},{"speaker":"Jimmy Levin","startTime":2865.479,"endTime":2867.549,"body":"My pleasure."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2867.549,"endTime":2869.925,"body":"We are"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2867.549,"endTime":2869.925,"body":"DefinedTalent coming to you at"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2869.989,"endTime":2871.66,"body":"Top5. Make it a great day."}]}