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And, you know, what the"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2748.87,"endTime":2753.94,"body":"future holds for employers and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2753.94,"endTime":2758.53,"body":"employees isn't just based off"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2753.94,"endTime":2758.53,"body":"of pay, it's based off of"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2758.53,"endTime":2764.02,"body":"living, you know. It's funny,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2758.53,"endTime":2764.02,"body":"somebody the other day said,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2765.34,"endTime":2773.47,"body":"it's not just work life balance,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2765.34,"endTime":2773.47,"body":"it's now life balance. 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And I think"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2829.69,"endTime":2833.222,"body":"you kind of you said it, I"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2833.302,"endTime":2837.396,"body":"think, you know, pay"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2833.302,"endTime":2837.396,"body":"transparency makes sense. It's"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2837.476,"endTime":2842.453,"body":"here to stay, even though it may"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2837.476,"endTime":2842.453,"body":"have potential challenges and"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2842.533,"endTime":2847.269,"body":"downsides. But I think with more"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2842.533,"endTime":2847.269,"body":"and more states, counties,"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2847.35,"endTime":2852.327,"body":"cities, proposing and passing"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2847.35,"endTime":2852.327,"body":"these laws, I think we'll see it"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2852.407,"endTime":2857.544,"body":"really become a core part of how"},{"speaker":"Tsveta Semova","startTime":2852.407,"endTime":2857.544,"body":"businesses operate. 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So again, thank you so"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2894.204,"endTime":2899.007,"body":"much for joining us at Top5. We"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2899.085,"endTime":2903.036,"body":"are DefinedTalent, a"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2899.085,"endTime":2903.036,"body":"DefinedLogic service coming to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2903.113,"endTime":2905.98,"body":"you at top five. Make it a great"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2903.113,"endTime":2905.98,"body":"day."}]}