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Ellie,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2396.13,"endTime":2398.38,"body":"you've got - Do you have"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2398.38,"endTime":2400.63,"body":"anything else to add to the"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2398.38,"endTime":2400.63,"body":"table over here?"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2401.05,"endTime":2405.04,"body":"No, I loved it. I"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2401.05,"endTime":2405.04,"body":"agree I think being able to"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2405.04,"endTime":2408.19,"body":"write down like the the things"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2405.04,"endTime":2408.19,"body":"to remind yourself that make you"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2408.19,"endTime":2410.68,"body":"special and your"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2408.19,"endTime":2410.68,"body":"accomplishments. But I wouldn't"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2410.68,"endTime":2413.32,"body":"say maybe hide that notebook"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2410.68,"endTime":2413.32,"body":"somewhere safe or people are"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2413.32,"endTime":2415.54,"body":"gonna think you're really"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2413.32,"endTime":2415.54,"body":"strange if you keep a notebook"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2415.54,"endTime":2419.53,"body":"of all the nice things people"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2415.54,"endTime":2419.53,"body":"have ever said about you! If"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2419.53,"endTime":2423.1,"body":"somebody were to find that you'd"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2419.53,"endTime":2423.1,"body":"maybe have to explain yourself,"},{"speaker":"Ellie Bright","startTime":2423.1,"endTime":2425.14,"body":"but I do love it (laughs)."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2425.62,"endTime":2428.68,"body":"Awesome. Well,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2425.62,"endTime":2428.68,"body":"Catherine, Ellie, thank you both"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2428.68,"endTime":2432.04,"body":"for joining us today on Top5. It"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2428.68,"endTime":2432.04,"body":"was really a pleasure having you"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2432.04,"endTime":2432.67,"body":"guys on."},{"speaker":"Catherine Tsavalas","startTime":2434.05,"endTime":2435.31,"body":"Yeah, thank"},{"speaker":"Catherine Tsavalas","startTime":2434.05,"endTime":2435.31,"body":"you so much."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2436.63,"endTime":2438.52,"body":"We are"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2436.63,"endTime":2438.52,"body":"DefinedTalent, a DefinedLogic"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2438.55,"endTime":2441.73,"body":"service coming to you at Top5."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2438.55,"endTime":2441.73,"body":"Make it a great day."}]}