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I'm Tara Thurber,"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":30.09,"endTime":33.9,"body":"Director of Talent Innovation"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":30.09,"endTime":33.9,"body":"here at DefinedTalent and today"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":33.9,"endTime":38.28,"body":"I am joined by some amazing"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":33.9,"endTime":38.28,"body":"women. They come to us from"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":38.28,"endTime":42.6,"body":"different industries and walks"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":38.28,"endTime":42.6,"body":"of life. We are tied together by"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":42.6,"endTime":48.45,"body":"one common experience. Today we"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":42.6,"endTime":48.45,"body":"are speaking about grief. Grief"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":48.45,"endTime":51.96,"body":"is often is often marginalized"},{"speaker":"Dana Fahey","startTime":48.45,"endTime":51.96,"body":"in professional settings. 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It's something"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2903.55,"endTime":2909.28,"body":"that you can you can talk about,"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2903.55,"endTime":2909.28,"body":"there are certain rules and laws"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2909.28,"endTime":2913.75,"body":"in place that you're permitted"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2909.28,"endTime":2913.75,"body":"to do certain things. But you"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2913.75,"endTime":2918.76,"body":"don't like you don't have to"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2913.75,"endTime":2918.76,"body":"suffer by yourself. You don't"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2918.76,"endTime":2922.54,"body":"have to feel like you have to"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2918.76,"endTime":2922.54,"body":"get to the office when you're"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2922.54,"endTime":2926.32,"body":"feeling like you can't. It's"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2922.54,"endTime":2926.32,"body":"important to know."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2926.86,"endTime":2929.89,"body":"Yep, they're not"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2926.86,"endTime":2929.89,"body":"alone. And I think that that's"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2930.28,"endTime":2937.48,"body":"very important for anybody going"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2930.28,"endTime":2937.48,"body":"through grief. Well, thank you,"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2937.51,"endTime":2939.97,"body":"ladies so much for joining us"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2937.51,"endTime":2939.97,"body":"today."},{"speaker":"Daniela Herrera","startTime":2941.35,"endTime":2942.13,"body":"It was a"},{"speaker":"Daniela Herrera","startTime":2941.35,"endTime":2942.13,"body":"pleasure."},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2943.09,"endTime":2944.2,"body":"Thank you for"},{"speaker":"Kelly Parrotto","startTime":2943.09,"endTime":2944.2,"body":"having us."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2945.04,"endTime":2948.208,"body":"Awesome. We are a"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2945.04,"endTime":2948.208,"body":"DefinedTalent, a DefinedLogc"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2948.277,"endTime":2951.79,"body":"service coming to you at Top5."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":2948.277,"endTime":2951.79,"body":"Make it a great day."}]}