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We are"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1283.19,"endTime":1286.16,"body":"DefinedTalent a DefinedLogic"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1286.227,"endTime":1289.67,"body":"service coming to you at Top5."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1286.227,"endTime":1289.67,"body":"Make it a great day."}]}