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You should know"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1582.87,"endTime":1587.07,"body":"what's at risk, and then we can"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1587.07,"endTime":1590.73,"body":"deal with that exposure. Number"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1587.07,"endTime":1590.73,"body":"three is, be willing to invest"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1590.73,"endTime":1593.58,"body":"the time and money into it, like"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1590.73,"endTime":1593.58,"body":"every other thing that you need"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1593.58,"endTime":1597.36,"body":"to do when it's good for you,"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1593.58,"endTime":1597.36,"body":"takes time, money, effort and"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1597.36,"endTime":1602.49,"body":"the will to work at these"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1597.36,"endTime":1602.49,"body":"things. The fourth one I have is"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1603.0,"endTime":1607.44,"body":"knowing what to do if and when"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1603.0,"endTime":1607.44,"body":"disaster strikes. That's"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1607.44,"endTime":1610.32,"body":"actually one of the biggest tips"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1607.44,"endTime":1610.32,"body":"that I have. Is a lot of"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1610.32,"endTime":1613.2,"body":"organizations that we meet, they"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1610.32,"endTime":1613.2,"body":"do get ransomware, and they"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1613.2,"endTime":1616.41,"body":"don't know where to start. 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This way you can"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1627.48,"endTime":1629.82,"body":"add an expectation of when"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1627.48,"endTime":1629.82,"body":"you're back in business, know"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1629.82,"endTime":1632.79,"body":"how much revenue you're losing"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1629.82,"endTime":1632.79,"body":"because your business can't"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1632.79,"endTime":1635.85,"body":"operate. And these things really"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1632.79,"endTime":1635.85,"body":"help you understand what"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1635.85,"endTime":1638.91,"body":"investments should go into these"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1635.85,"endTime":1638.91,"body":"things. So that's my, my fourth"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1638.91,"endTime":1643.38,"body":"one, and the fifth one is a easy"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1638.91,"endTime":1643.38,"body":"one, never trust any links. Just"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1643.38,"endTime":1643.56,"body":"don' (laughs)."},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1643.56,"endTime":1643.59,"body":"(laughs)"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1643.59,"endTime":1643.62,"body":"(laughs)"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1647.1,"endTime":1649.32,"body":"If you get an email"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1647.1,"endTime":1649.32,"body":"from Chase to go look at your"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1649.32,"endTime":1652.8,"body":"account, go to chase.com, and"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1649.32,"endTime":1652.8,"body":"log in with your account, just"},{"speaker":"Will Shu","startTime":1652.8,"endTime":1655.08,"body":"don't click any links. 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Got it."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1685.6,"endTime":1688.63,"body":"Thanks. Well, Matt, do you have"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1688.63,"endTime":1690.64,"body":"a separate top five to bring to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1688.63,"endTime":1690.64,"body":"the table?"},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1691.09,"endTime":1693.67,"body":"Yeah, yeah,"},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1691.09,"endTime":1693.67,"body":"no, I definitely, I really"},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1693.67,"endTime":1695.98,"body":"appreciate Will's there. 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But as that"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1929.11,"endTime":1932.14,"body":"type of thing comes in the"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1932.14,"endTime":1935.53,"body":"future, you know, again, when"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1932.14,"endTime":1935.53,"body":"we're building that system and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1935.53,"endTime":1939.31,"body":"security program that's centered"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1935.53,"endTime":1939.31,"body":"around adaptability and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1939.31,"endTime":1942.16,"body":"resilience, that's going to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1939.31,"endTime":1942.16,"body":"really help to make sure that"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1942.16,"endTime":1944.2,"body":"you're prepared for today and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1942.16,"endTime":1944.2,"body":"tomorrow starts."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1946.03,"endTime":1949.18,"body":"Wow. Thank you"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1946.03,"endTime":1949.18,"body":"both for sharing all of these"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1949.18,"endTime":1954.01,"body":"tips. I mean, I think everything"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1949.18,"endTime":1954.01,"body":"that you both have shared today"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1954.01,"endTime":1958.27,"body":"is extremely valuable for all of"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1954.01,"endTime":1958.27,"body":"our listeners. So I thank you"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1958.27,"endTime":1965.05,"body":"both for joining us for our Top5"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1958.27,"endTime":1965.05,"body":"Cybersecurity Tips for 2024, and"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1965.05,"endTime":1969.19,"body":"beyond, Matt and Will, thank you"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1965.05,"endTime":1969.19,"body":"for taking your time out of your"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1969.19,"endTime":1973.75,"body":"busy days today, day today to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1969.19,"endTime":1973.75,"body":"meet with us. And we're excited"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1973.75,"endTime":1976.12,"body":"to get this out there to our"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1973.75,"endTime":1976.12,"body":"audience."},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1977.5,"endTime":1979.27,"body":"Sounds good."},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1977.5,"endTime":1979.27,"body":"Thanks for having us. Yeah. Have"},{"speaker":"Matthew Buehlmann","startTime":1979.27,"endTime":1979.99,"body":"a good rest of your summer!"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1980.26,"endTime":1988.36,"body":"Alright, you too."},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1980.26,"endTime":1988.36,"body":"We are DefinedTalent, a"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1988.36,"endTime":1991.18,"body":"DefinedLogic service coming to"},{"speaker":"Tara Thurber","startTime":1988.36,"endTime":1991.18,"body":"you at Top5."}]}