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Top5 Reasons to Attend Newark Tech Week
Tara Thurber, Founder of Defined Talent, hosts Kelly Outing and Angie Albizu from EqualSpace to discuss the company's mission and growth. EqualSpace, founded by Citi Medina and Ralphie Roman, has expanded from a 900 sq ft space to over 19,000 sq ft, including offices, creative spaces and a tech innovation campus. They emphasize fostering innovation through inclusive company culture and AI integration. EqualSpace also hosts Newark Tech Week, a free, five-day conference featuring panel discussions, workshops, and networking opportunities, aimed at educating and connecting the tech community.
Hey everyone. Welcome back to Top5 brought to you by DefinedTalent. We are a results driven service, working with clients to connect them with quality talent, as well as working to make an impact within the recruiting industry. We talk straight about today's professional world with real, real world professionals, experts in recruitment, job seekers and business owners alike have a question for us, send it in, and you might spur our next conversation. I'm Tara Thurber, co founder and director of talent partnerships here at DefinedTalent. And joining me today are two amazing humans, Kelly Outing, community engagement and programming manager and Angie Albizu, cultural outreach from equal space. Hey, how are you to today?
Angie Albizu:Hi, Tara!
Tara Thurber:it's good to have you here. I would love for you both to just introduce yourselves and give a brief professional background.
Kelly Outing:Yeah. So happy to do this first and foremost, thank you for allowing us to be on your wonderful podcast. I'm really excited for today, but I am Kelly Outing. I am like was mentioned before. I'm the Community Engagement Programming Manager for equispace. I have been for about eight years. My focus is mostly providing cultural and community programming for local residents, ranging from conversations about small business to technology and also developing other cultural and arts exhibitions for EqualSpace.
Tara Thurber:Amazing. Thank you. Kelly,
Angie Albizu:Hi everyone, and yes, thank you, Tara, for having us on today. I'm super excited as a former Pod-er myself, but yes, my name is Angie, and I do cultural outreach and social media for equal space. I've been here for a little bit under two years, and a lot of my job here is reaching out for the culture in the community, opening our doors, and a lot of event stuff in the background, working with Kelly and a lot of our amazing events we put together here at equal space, that I'm sure you'll learn more about but yeah, just doing a lot of social media in the back end, and just being a helping hand where I can be in this wonderful company.
Tara Thurber:Awesome. I love both your backgrounds and what you both are doing at EqualSpace. Let's kind of dive into that. How was EqualSpace created? What is the main mission and goal of the company?
Kelly Outing:Yeah. So ecospace was developed roughly, actually, it's going to be close to 10 years ago in September.
Tara Thurber:Wow!
Kelly Outing:There's the founder story of Citi Medina and Ralphie Roman, and they have a parent company called Medina City, where they work with a lot of non profit organizations and for profit organizations that focus on providing social impact grants, opportunities, things of that nature. And they do a lot of social outreach and impact strategy. And they have a beautiful office. They are very esthetic people, especially Medina and so many of their friends who were in the local entrepreneur ecosystem would use their offices, and after a while they would come in and the coffee pot would be already and the electric bill was getting higher and higher, and they're like, what's going on? (laughs)
Tara Thurber:(laughs)
Kelly Outing:That's the more hilarious story. But the other idea that really pushed EqualSpace forward was their focus and supporting entrepreneurs and being the resource that they never had. Oftentimes, a lot of entrepreneurs, when they are enter in so many different rooms, they're always told no. They're always told next time you're not ready yet. And they wanted to create a space for entrepreneurs to understand that this EqualSpace is the space where you will get a yes, where you will be supported, where you will be valued. You will not be questioned, your your value will not be questioned. And so they wanted to make sure that that impact was there. And so they offer eight, nine Market Street, a little 900 square foot space. And as the years progressed, they've been able to expand what we've been able to expand into three floors and having over 19,000 square feet. So we have range of, I know, right, so amazing
Tara Thurber:Wow! (laughs) anytime I tell it, but we have a range of Office Spaces. Dedicated desks. We have creative spaces like our podcast studios, a multimedia studio, a full event space, and we also have now expanded to developing a tech and innovation campus, which has come recently because of our outreach and our connections to people, we've been able to really develop a credible format for how people you know interact with us. Right.
Kelly Outing:Because we've been in the game for a lot of times we're in these equity spaces. Sometimes they don't last more than three or four years because of the lack of funding, because most of these spaces are developed by black and brown entrepreneurs who don't have the same access to a lot of the financial resources. And so I'm very proud to say that you know, Medina and Rafi fight all the time to make sure that EqualSpace is always thriving. They always, you know, try to connect with as many resources as possible to ensure that not only we're thriving, but our members are thriving. And in those connections, we've developed a great relationship with Fidelco, which owns the new campus which we are at, which is at 550 and they were looking for a co working space to support their business, have their building that they just developed.
Tara Thurber:Yeah.
Kelly Outing:And they were Audible and other places. And they went through, you know, the big names, the industrious, the other names. And unfortunately, those types of co working spaces focus on being a product, but not really being a service. And EqualSpace focuses on being a service as well as a product.
Tara Thurber:Right.
Kelly Outing:The other aspect of what we do is we provide
Unknown:Amazing, Kelly and just for our listeners, to 89 Market specific resources where we go out and we connect with different not for profit leaders, for profit leaders, we look at grants, we look at these information, and we make sure to share it with our local community members and our members who are within our space. So we have one on one meetings with them. If a member needs support and they need to understand, like, what financial opportunities are available, we can present that to them, if they need support, understanding their business strategy and shifting. We help with that. If they even just need help with understanding, you know, they want to change and move their their branding strategy, we also support in those aspects and who they'll go through the meeting. Street and 550 Broad Street that's in Newark, New Jersey, They saw the amount of impact that we've had just at 89 Market Street, and they said, You have to come here, to 550 and be a part of it. And so with that, and in communications, we developed this 50,000 square foot idea to do three floors at 550, broad, ranging from HQs for tech startups, which we have, we've already opened up that that floor, we've had a few tech startups who are here with us, really brilliant, working in different aspects of AI and fintech. And then our other floors will be coming on onboard roughly around 2025 we will have a 300 person event space. We also will have podcast studios, large scale multimedia studios, boardrooms. And then we're also going to be having on their first floor, a large scale event space, slash dining and commune area for not only us and our members for but also for the entire building, private suites, conference rooms. We'll have a members lounge in case you want to, you know, be by yourself and be with like for a day. So, yeah, that's, well, how EqualSpace has evolved into what we are now. and both of these campuses are unbelievable. The energy that is in both of these campuses is something that for myself, I've never experienced anywhere else, so big thumbs up high fives on the growth of EqualSpace. I want to kind of just shift a little bit here. You're focusing strongly on DEI and workplace equality. What role do you think company culture plays in fostering innovation, and how do you think leaders can create an inclusive environment where creativity it can thrive?
Kelly Outing:Angie our culture icon, do you want to take this?
Angie Albizu:Yeah, sure. I love to answer this question. I feel
Tara Thurber:(laughs) like culture and fostering innovation is definitely important in any company. I feel like when your staff and your co workers feel like it's an inclusivity and there's open communication and you're able to like, have different voices heard. It really makes you feel safe without having any judgment, and it creates a lot more creativity to flourish within your workspace, to be able to like share ideas with like minded individuals and people that kind of look like you, that know where you're coming from, your same type of upbringing. It really does bring a new sense of like creativity. It helps you work better. It helps you kind of communicate better with your with your colleagues, or employees. So I find that even here at EqualSpace, that's something that has been very open here, like being able to communicate, being making sure that our voices are heard. Yeah, it's definitely truly important. And I hope, like every company, starts to be more inclusive in that way. And that's something too, Angie, that I find amazing visiting both campuses. As soon as you walk in the door, you feel it, you feel the equality, you feel the creativity is just all over the place. And I find that to be such a strong aspect in what EqualSpace is, is providing, but also laying the groundwork for other companies to see and then grow from that.
Angie Albizu:Correct, yeah, and it's like, it's a sense of, like, no fair judgment here, like, you know you can always feel your creative self. You can always talk about what you feel and know that it's being heard. So yeah, for sure, I agree.
Tara Thurber:Amazing. So I noticed, or going back to one of the campuses, 550 is the tech and innovative campus, and you mentioned something, Kelly, about AI. So I want to dive into this really quick. I want to get your take on AI, as we're seeing on a daily basis, AI is changing the landscape in the tech environment. So what do you think are the most immediate and important ways AI is affecting tech businesses in our area, in Newark and really, around the globe?
Kelly Outing:That is a loaded question! (laughs)
Tara Thurber:(laughs)
Kelly Outing:AI has, you know, so many different impacts. It has an impact on our environment, a lot of people, there's been a lot of studies coming out about the fact that AI is requiring a lot of people don't know that technology on the internet still runs on code and most of our energy still runs on those on code and other aspects. So with the amount of support that's needed for AI to continue to grow there's even conversations on, from an environmental standpoint, from a entrepreneurial standpoint, going more hyper local. I definitely think that there are so many different fears that people have, which is really interesting. I wouldn't talk about the bad before I talk about the good, because there is, there is so much good about AI, and I think that people have a fear that AI is going to take everyone's jobs and to also take away people's opportunities to grow in certain areas. And there's just so many different conversations about AI that's happening that some are informed and some are not. And I think that's mostly because the conversations around AI aren't hyper focused on local communities. They're more so focused within the tech industries and the tech hubs that exist within these communities. And so when people think of of AI, they don't really think about Siri and the fact that she's a part of AI. They don't think about the fact that when you see certain like ads, and how you see ads about PS4, I'm sorry, PS5. And you were just looking at, you know, like the new, like, one of the new games, you were just looking at baldusg or something, and they're like, why is, why is he suggesting me to buy these? Like that comes from AI on the background,
Tara Thurber:(laughs) running certain things and helping people. So AI is integrated in our entire lives already. And I think people have this idea that it's coming. It has already come. It's been here!(laughs)
Kelly Outing:It's here, it's just growing. The good things about AI, I think, are that AI can take away, yes, a few, a few things that should be automated and make it easier for people to grow. But I think that it also puts a challenge on our economy,
Tara Thurber:(laughs) and the employers on a corporate and a local level, to
Kelly Outing:We all know too much of anything is bad. Too develop opportunities for people to grow and to have, like, proper financial support where they can do other things that they enjoy. I always like to talk about Star Trek because one of our founders, Ralphie, is a huge Trekkie, and many people, he explained it to me in a really cool way. And this is how I like to explain, like, where I want AI to go, which is that in the Star Trek universe, most people are doing what they want to do, essentially. And so a lot of the items that need to be automated, like cleaning and other elements, those things are automated so people can focus on ingenuity. And I feel as if a great way to move AI forward is to focus on how to make sure AI is taking away those knit and grit items that take up so much of our time that prevents us from being able to focus on ingenuity, focus on creativity. But a lot of the jobs that are currently being like supported are more so focused on being very hands on. And so there needs to be more training for people in other aspects. And yes people obviously like college is an option, but there's other opportunities for trade schools and other elements and other job sectors that I definitely think there needs to be an increase more of like, we need more nurses, we need more teachers. And if we train more person, like persons who are on the background and do jobs that AI can do more efficiently, and we train them in these other aspects, I definitely think we can move the needle forward and focus on making sure that we're able to bring in more scientists, more nurses, more teachers, More people who enter into fields that need the most creativity and the most creative output. So that's my perception of AI. I think it is a good thing, but if it's regulated too. many beets. Can mess up your colon too?
Tara Thurber:Yeah.
Kelly Outing:Too many bananas can, you know, screw with you. Too many carrots can turn you orange?
Tara Thurber:Yeah! (laughs)
Kelly Outing:AI can be involved, you know, just, just regulate and support people to find.
Angie Albizu:That was a good perception, though.
Tara Thurber:Yeah, totally. And it's crazy to think about it, too. You know, so many people are in the beginning when it kind of blew up out there were stressing out about people losing their jobs and but now it's what people need to understand is it's not losing a job, it's shifting and it's allowing humans to learn different skills and have different opportunities. So really, this is- There's opportunity here. It's not, you know, a black cloud that's come and it's a scary thing. It should be opportunistic for businesses and individuals to utilize AI for the monotonous stuff that can be automated to then transfer and grow more skills, learn more skills. And I mean, I've also read so many different articles around the new jobs that are going to be out there. I mean, my kids 8 and 12, there's going to be totally different job titles when they're ready to be out in the professional world. And so it's important, too, for educators and for businesses to continue to raise the bar and to teach and fly with AI, not fly against it, but fly with it and learn with it as it's growing, as humans can then learn and grow in a different way.
Kelly Outing:Yeah, and I think the other part of that, that I think you need to understand is in order to grow, in order to build these things, it's important to also select people who are the higher ups that also support that vision.
Tara Thurber:Yes!
Kelly Outing:They support regulation to ensure that people are able to expand into new jobs as AI grows.
Tara Thurber:Yeah.
Kelly Outing:Angie actually just showed me a video on Instagram, and it was about Chat GBT integrating with Canva. And now you'll be able to create as chat GPT, to essentially create a template for a presentation and then get things done. And you know, I'm the person that that works on like, any pitch decks, any presentations. I'm the one doing that for like events and things.
Tara Thurber:Right.
Kelly Outing:And I easily see that as, oh, no, AI taking my job. But I was like, no, thank God! (laughs) I don't have to. Thank God, using specific
Tara Thurber:(laughs) colors, it makes my life so much easier that I can now use these items to focus on other things. And I think that one of the I love talking about this topic, because I think that when we grow up, and I'm getting to my 30, I'm going to my 30s next year.(laughs)
Kelly Outing:So as I've matured and I've become to understand that we were programmed to focus on seeing ourselves as just doers and not creators. Like, even in school, it's like, do this, do that, not create.
Tara Thurber:Yeah.
Kelly Outing:And so I definitely think that the reason is people are so stuck on being doers all the time is because they grew up with that rhetoric that if you don't do like, what else is there? And there is more to create. There is more opportunity to develop. And I think that if we're able to also shift the dynamics and shift the education in schools too, to help people understand how they can also enter into these other industries, more students will look for jobs that fit within those other aspects of creativity. And when I say creativity, I'm not just talking about the arts. A lot of people don't understand that, Marie Curie, you know, the developer of radiation. She didn't develop it. She found radiation, right? She had to be creative enough to understand and comprehend it.
Tara Thurber:Yes!
Kelly Outing:Like science requires creativity. As much as creating a beautiful a beautiful mural requires great innovation. And so I just, I really, am really passionate about this, because I do believe that AI is something that is needed to help humans grow. But I also understand that within our current socio economic like existence, within within the society, it is a bit harder for people to grow because they are taught that you have to do and follow instead of create and lead. So I think that's also the shift.
Tara Thurber:Yeah, I agree, and I love everything about that. So I would love to ask the two of you, we love asking our speakers some fun questions too, kind of go off track a little bit, but not really much, because it's this one's appropriate for this conversation. What would be or what technology would either of you wish you had invented?
Kelly Outing:Okay, I think Angie goes.
Tara Thurber:(laughs)
Angie Albizu:I wanted to make sure I had this right, because I was like, wish we had invented or wanted to invent, but had invented.
Tara Thurber:Yep. You can give me a want to invent too. Why not? Let's go there too. We'll open it up!
Angie Albizu:Oh my gosh, okay. Um, Kelly, you want me to go first?
Kelly Outing:Yeah, yeah, go for it. Feel free. Feel free.
Angie Albizu:Okay, um, I wish I would had invented, and this is just me being a mom. I wish I would have had invented the portable breast, breast, if you can, like, pump your breast on the go. I think that was such a genius invention. And it was like, I mean, it's something like, Well, duh. Like, why wouldn't? Why didn't we think of this before? But we, a lot of women, didn't have that for a very long time, and it's so like beneficial. And I thought, I just thought that was genius, and it was something that was very helpful. So that's something I wish I would have invented. If I can invent something, I would invent a teleportation machine (laughs).
Tara Thurber:Yes, I love it! I love it. First and foremost, the breast pumping machine, the travel want being able to travel on the go is as a mother as well. Yes, hands down, one of the best things ever - teleportation. Yes, please. There's it would save us a lot of time. Um, probably a lot of money and gas. And I think there's so many good things that could come from something like that. So I'm right there with you, Angie.
Angie Albizu:We can just snap our fingers and be at a beach.
Tara Thurber:Right? (laughs)
Kelly Outing:Oh, my god, yeah,
Tara Thurber:Kelly, what about you?
Kelly Outing:I was gonna say, to hop on Angie's. I was going to quickly say that you would revolutionize like travel agencies. Because imagine if, like people own and he was like, you want to go so with your family. And like just different sizes. I can see information, practice, so much money, um, I'm gonna be that person and say, I wish I invented the microchip, just because it's literally the backbone of all technology, and I would have patented that and made so much money. You wouldn't use my - I would patent, like so many, I would create different types of of elements and patented and so much. Yeah, rolling in it. (laughs)
Tara Thurber:(laughs) I love it. Kelly, I absolutely love it.
Kelly Outing:Um, and then for a wish, I if I could create anything. Um, I I would create a spaceship that travels at the speed of light while allowing humans to be able to be in cryo chambers, so then they can also travel. Because the main issue with traveling at the speed of light is that it takes a long not at the speed, but the duration is what is where it hurts humans.
Angie Albizu:I'm here for that too.
Tara Thurber:Man, both of you. I love both of them. Thank you. Thank you so much for sharing.
Angie Albizu:Okay.
Tara Thurber:So Top5, we are here as well, because I want to talk to you both about Newark Tech week. I would love you both. One of you, both of you. How did tech Newark Tech Week? Who is involved, where and when is it taking place this year? Get them both in there (laughs).
Unknown:Yeah. So Newark Tech Week is a one really, really wonderful story. So EqualSpace, we like to call ourselves the refounders of Newark tech week. Newark tech week was founded by, originally founded by a wonderful woman named Emily Manz, along with a few other local tech Titans that came here, who used a few years ago, and developed a completely beautiful ecosystem. It disbanded in around 2016 and 2017 we decided to take up the mantle, because during 2015 and That's going to be a really fun experience. We're going to have 2016 we did two experiences called Tech Town Hall with Mayor Baraka. So be brought in to speak about what what technology some phenomenal speakers, some amazing startup showcasing. looks like. You know, what the change technology and what the scope looks like, and we wanted to expand upon that. And so ever We're going to have a jazzy Tech Night on the following day, we since 2017 we have developed essentially this five day conference. We have a multitude of different activations. We even called it an unconference because each activation is in a different area of the city, so it's kind of like its own scavenger hunt. And even like local Newarkers who've been here for a long time, they're introduced to new restaurants, new locations, new organizations that they've never interacted with before, which is really amazing. It's so amazing to hear people who know just come to Newark for this experience, or they were introduced to this experience by someone else who's from here and were invited to come like, Oh my gosh. I didn't know Newark has so many resources and so many different things, and so that's just a really cool experience. And we're very proud of Newark tech week and how it's been able to develop this year, we have a really amazing lineup. So we're going to have really cool tech summit starting on october 14, and then the week extends from october 14 to the 18th. The Tech Summit is going to be at the junction, which is at the Gateways. Many, many Newarkers know it as the gateways, but they've rebranded to the junction, so I call it junction gate. Junction Gateway (laughs)_ are going to have Audible collaborating with NJII and Newark Alliance. They're going to be doing Newark's Premier Demo Day. I believe it's they call it the Newark Demo Day. They're going to have a few startups showcasing what they do. Um, there's going to be a mixer afterwards at 10 June called Code and Cocktails. So the all the coders out there, anyone who's really technology, please come through. Um, on Wednesday, we have a few cool activations. So we have Jimbo, who's going to be doing a Newark Tech Run. And it's a run, but it's called North tech fun to get story Norte tech week, likely our founder, Medina, will be going, I do not run. I'm not a runner (laughs).
Angie Albizu:I'm not even a power walker.
Tara Thurber:(laughs)
Kelly Outing:You're too hilarious. Also, also at Hacks, we have the wonderful, DefinedTalent who will be posting an experience in collaboration with a lovely organization called Disrupt the Gap, who will be doing an experience called HR for Growing Ventures. And essentially, that experience will detail how new startups and seasoned startups can build and integrate strong HR departments within your team, which is very important, very important! Look at what happened to X slash Twitter (laughs).
Tara Thurber:(laughs)
Kelly Outing:When they didn't have a proper one - just to give you an understanding. So you definitely have to come to that experience. We also are going to be hosting something called VC Hot Seat, where we bring in different venture capitalists who come and speak, and they're gonna be talking about the beauty and the dark side of venture capital. Everyone has some accelerators also come for people to learn about them. Um, we will be hosting on Thursday, we're going to be hosting a few activations, one of them being an IT teaching people how to manage and protect their digital footprint. Just because you have a tech company does not mean you know about cybersecurity.
Tara Thurber:Yes.
Kelly Outing:Then we also have a marketing workshop where people will learn how to develop a strong, purpose driven brand for their product or their service, which I think is very important for any tech startup. You need to be able to promote your product, whether it's B2B or B2C. Doesn't matter. You need to know how to sell what you do. We'll have a woman in tech event also that evening, and that's going to be a highlight of so many different women who are making changes within the city. And then on Friday, we have a new addiction, which is really exciting. We have an amazing woman. She works at Microsoft. Her name is Jojo. She's going to be essentially doing a masterclass and how to work on AI prompts within Microsoft's AI.
Tara Thurber:Wow.
Kelly Outing:Which is really cool, because a lot of people don't realize that - they always say, AI sucks. I try to put this in the information. When you give me what I want, it's like you have to talk to it. You know, you have to caress it.
Tara Thurber:Caress it(laughs).
Kelly Outing:Yes, beautiful things, you know. You know, it'll give you something in return, you know. And then we're gonna be closing out with our NTW wrap up party, and that's going to be at the standard, the Standard Cafe in the Ironbound so you have a full week, and there's so many other events that you know are still being finalized, and so many more experiences. But you can learn about all these experiences, and you can learn about all these experiences at newarktechweek.com.
Tara Thurber:Awesome, awesome. We'll make sure to share that link out as well. So I'm going to ask you both I am so interested for you to share your top five reasons for our audience to attend Newark Tech Week.
Angie Albizu:Network. Definitely one of the top reasons to network, especially if you're a techie or a tech enthusiast or just want to learn about it. This is like, the number one place to network and meet like minded individuals and just connect. It is all about from like from what I've seen is all about meeting people and learning more about and see how you can grow within the community. So networking, for sure, it's number one. For me.
Tara Thurber:That's number one. It's up to you. You both can go back and forth if you want.
Unknown:I would say it's free. It's a free experience. One of the reasons we make nerd tech week free is because we don't believe that there should be any barriers to access the information and resources. That's the pillar of ecospace. And so you want to make sure that you don't have to pay $300 or $400 to be in a room with successful people, we want you to have free access to that, just like many others do. So, yeah.
Tara Thurber:Amazing. So that was number two. What's number three?
Angie Albizu:I would say, to educate, educate yourself on not only tech, but like, what's happening in the city of Newark. As far as the tech community. There's a lot of great things happening and all the great tech companies coming into the city. So I think really, if you want to learn more about IT, we were just talking about how it's one thing that I think people just need to get educated on and learn more about. So yeah, Newark Tech Week is definitely the place to learn about all these things that are happening with it, with innovation, with tech. So education will be my third reason to learn more.
Tara Thurber:Love it.
Kelly Outing:My fourth reason would be, it's a it's a really cool multicultural experience we would definitely pride ourselves on. You know, Newark is predominantly a black and Latina community, and so very proud of the fact that many of the people who come to the experience, they feel seen in those aspects, and it's open to everyone. And I don't want to preface that, it's open to everyone. And when I say multicultural, I mean of all cultures, not excluding anyone, which is, I think it's so important for people to understand it's like, no matter what your background is, no matter where you come from, you're welcome, like Angie mentioned before, when you walk into our doors, we do the same thing for our events. No matter who you are, where you come from, you are welcome to Newark Tech Week. And we try to make sure that we provide that experience, because we have seen, and also some of us have even experienced what it's like to be ostracized at events, to feel, you know, the coldness in the room when you walk in. Those are things that you do not experience at NorTech. Be supposed to be connected and fun and glorious and magical, that you're supposed to be like, Oh my gosh, this is so cool, like you're gonna walk away. Awesome. I had a great experience, you
Tara Thurber:Yeah, amazing, amazing. And what's our fifth know? and final?
Angie Albizu:Um, I would say the panel discussions, right? The highlights, the people that the speakers like, do you This is your chance to, like, have one on one, conversations with the people that's in these positions. So yeah, just for the event schedule itself. Get so many things going on. You can pick what you want to do if you're, if you're if you're into listening to people speaking you can go to a speaking event. If you're more hands on, you can go to more of a hands on event. So it's really everything for everyone in any space. So, yeah.
Kelly Outing:Just make sure you go, it's going to be the best thing ever (laughs)!
Tara Thurber:(laughs) I love that. And there you're right, there's so much variation, and there's, there's something for everybody. I love it. I love it. Kelly and Angie, I have enjoyed this so much today. Love you both and appreciate you taking time out of your busy schedules to speak to us today.
Angie Albizu:Yes, we love you so much, Tara - you're the bomb.com.
Tara Thurber:Yeah! Well, we are DefinedTalent, a DefinedLogic service coming to you at Top5. Make it a great day.
