61. Trevor McLaughlin: Tech-Lifestyle Synergy, Health Fads, the Future of Wireless Connectivity, and Christmas

As we wave goodbye to the year gone by, we're not just making resolutions; we're dissecting the intricate dance of technology and lifestyle that keeps us on our toes. Jump right in with us as we reflect on the wireless community's ingenuity and ponder what 2024 may bring in the telecommunications space, specifically private networks. Trevor McLaughlin joins the conversation, bringing a splash of cold reality to the hot debate on health fads like cold plunging. And while we're at it, we send a hearty thanks your way – our listeners – for turning our little podcast into a flourishing community.

Ever heard the one about the podcaster who moved across the country? Well, buckle up for our very own odyssey, complete with tire blowouts and the treasure hunt for the perfect brewery. This part of the journey isn't just about the miles; it's about the stories that sprout between Point A and Point B, the warmth of new neighbors, and the gastronomical promises of undiscovered local haunts. Our adventure through Texas's vastness isn't just a tale of relocation; it's a toast to the beginnings that await at the end of the road.

Imagine a world where your cell phone connects straight to satellites, where Walmart trucks never lose signal, and where the choice between 4G and 5G is more than just a number. We wrap our heads around these wireless wonders and forecast what shifts 2024 might usher in for private networks and enterprise and consumer connectivity empowerment. The airwaves are abuzz with the potential for change, and we're here to sift through the static, offering a glimpse into the future of connectivity that might revolutionize how you interact with the world right from your pocket.

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Trevor: 0:00

I don't know what forecast I have for 2024. The safe one is things will continue to move too slow. People will continue to make things overly complicated, or inversely. Maybe I try to make them too uncomplicated, too simple. I'm interested to see how the DIY guys progress. That'll be fun to watch because I still don't understand the true business model of the DIY space. Either meeting some of them so they can explain it to me, or just seeing something that seems successful, that would be great. Here's a stretch forecast. I used to work at Dell. I forecast that they're going to come out with an actual, real-life, commercially viable product in the wireless space Not associated with servers, not associated with their normal software partners that sit on their servers, like a true, real wireless product 2024. That would be fun to see.

Klara: 1:01

Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Grand Slam Journey podcast, where we discuss various topics related to Grinslam Journey of sports, business and technology. Today's episode is with Trevor McLaughlin. Trevor and I recorded an earlier episode back in September, early October, episode number 52. And I thought it might be fun to reflect on the year and talk about code plunging, the move to Texas and wireless connectivity private networks. I hope you enjoyed the lesson. If you do, please share it with someone you believe may enjoy it as well. Consider leaving a review on Apple podcasts and Spotify, and don't forget to subscribe so you don't miss the next episode.

Klara: 1:50

It has been a busier of podcasting for me. My goal has been to release one episode a week to see if I can gain efficiencies. Well, I have certainly gotten better, but the efficiencies aren't completely where I still want them to be. It takes a lot of time and effort, not the recording itself. Those are super fun and, in many ways, quite easy. I appreciate you listeners tuning in and I appreciate many people reaching out and wanting to be guests on my podcast. It means a lot and I currently have more interest in guest joining than I have episodes in a week to lounge, which I understand is a privileged position to be in. So thank you again for you all tuning in, and it really means a lot to me if you could share this podcast with someone you believe may enjoy it as well. I have not been investing in marketing, and so all the listenership today has been because of you and you all sharing it with somebody else by word of mouth. So thank you.

Klara: 3:02

I hope you all have Merry Christmas, happy Holidays, if you celebrate it. If not, I hope you get to enjoy the time off without much work and if you are in drops, such as retail drops, which is the busiest time of the year, I hope you get to enjoy some downtime, perhaps later in January. So I hope you have some time to reflect and start 2024 full of energy and drive to achieve whatever goals you set for yourself. This is your host, clara Egochova. Thank you for tuning in, and now I bring you coffee. Chat with Trevor McLaughlin. Hello, trevor, happy Friday. Welcome to Grain's Lime Journey podcast.

Trevor: 3:49

Welcome to YouTube.

Klara: 3:54

We're doing episode two. This will be a little bit shorter one. How's your cold plunge this morning?

Trevor: 4:02

Having cold plunge.

Klara: 4:04

You having cold plunge today, yet that's what I just said I know, Well, weirdly enough, still the answer. All right. How was your cold plunge yesterday?

Trevor: 4:16

Cold Yours.

Klara: 4:20

It's been really cold the past couple of days. I don't know why.

Trevor: 4:24

I know Weird right, cold plunge, weird Cold. Yes, who would have thought?

Klara: 4:32

But you've been cold plungeing. Now for what? Since I think August or end of July, have you seen any benefits?

Trevor: 4:41

I get cold every morning. That benefits me quite a bit. How. Well, it makes me appreciate when I'm warm. Okay, cold prepares me for the cold. Not really. I'm still cold in the cold too. Yeah, you know, I've seen a 37% reduction in brown fat over that time.

Klara: 5:14

You haven't.

Trevor: 5:15

Yeah, my metabolistic health markers have increased by 16% over that time.

Klara: 5:25

I think it's metabolic.

Trevor: 5:27

Yeah, whatever I'm making it up, I was adding metabolic and ballistic so that it seemed better.

Klara: 5:37

Ballistic movement and metabolic health. You combine it all together.

Trevor: 5:41

Yeah, not ballistic movement. I was thinking ballistic from like a gun, gun ballistics.

Klara: 5:48

Okay.

Trevor: 5:49

Yeah, which I'm not even sure what the word means exactly, so I don't know if it makes it better or worse, but metabolistic is the word I'm using and 16% Is the stat I'm going to stick with on this one. So there's that. The actual, only benefit that I've been able to truly measure is lack of neck aches, which make no sense to me still, but that's the real answer. I like the other answers better, though.

Klara: 6:25

But that's a pretty good one for you.

Trevor: 6:27

That's good. You get these health things that people talk about and then they become these fads and crazes and then they usually die and then a new one takes its place. The part that's lacking really is still any real-world data out of it.

Trevor: 6:59

So, we still lack the ability to quantify anything we do. It's really quite depressing To take it to a show, a TV show. They used to be able to shoot rockets on this show up to the moon, but they didn't have a video call capability that was worth actually having. It was all grainy and like black and white. So you would think, if you could shoot rocket to the moon and live on the moon, you could have a good quality video call.

Trevor: 7:38

Turns out on this TV show, no, good quality video calls come later, rockets come first, and maybe this is how it worked in real life, too. I just expected more, my point being we have all of this stuff, supposedly, that can make us recover faster or feel better or prolong our life, but no way to actually easily monitor it, with the exception of, maybe, that dude on YouTube that spends $2 million a day or a month or whatever he does for longevity. I don't know what he's measuring, though, and I don't have $2 million, even a year, to spend on measuring, so we need what I'm saying is, we need to really focus on how do we measure something, usefulness, which I think actually applies to the rest of life too.

Trevor: 8:39

So didn't expect this out of this question, did you?

Klara: 8:44

No, no, no, yeah, which makes me go with those. If measuring things for us is natural, I wonder how much we're just driven by our emotions and how we feel. And so, going back to the thinking fast and slow book, we're not statistical human beings. Most of the time, or actions or inactions, are driven by our emotions and how we feel and the experiences we have lived through. So I wonder if this is just manifesting, of course, everything we do, whether it's cold plunging or business or any other areas that we should be measuring, but we don't know how.

Trevor: 9:33

Well, I don't think we need to over measure, because then you just have a data lake that's useless, but it would be nice to have some kind of measurement tools. Blood-glued clothes that's a great one, like why can't that be easy and why is it an FDA product? A great example though Ketone levels. That would be fun. You could do that, I would think, with the blood-glued clothes. Make it together.

Klara: 10:04

How would you do it? You would put a chip in your body.

Trevor: 10:06

I'm not a scientist, but it should be able to be done. Shouldn't be that hard. Maybe there's no money in it, I don't know or maybe the way that people wanna monetize it there's money. They just haven't figured out to monetize it in a way that makes sense. Don't really know the answers. It just can't be that challenging and it doesn't need to be like five nines accurate.

Klara: 10:36

Yeah.

Trevor: 10:37

Because we have zero nines accuracy right now.

Klara: 10:39

Yes.

Trevor: 10:40

So maybe get some product out there and incrementally improve it over time. I mean, that's what they do with software, right? Apple releases a new iOS or Android or anybody. Windows has tons of bugs. Three days later, they introduce the first patch and then a couple weeks later there's another patch, and then a couple weeks later there's another patch. Tesla, I mean, they're always sending out updates.

Klara: 11:10

Yes.

Trevor: 11:11

Iterate over time make it better. So just start with something.

Klara: 11:18

I do agree it would be nice to have some sort of glucose ketone continuous measurements Going back even to the cold plunge. It's one of the things I've been thinking about, wondering how much it spikes my glucose from the stress when I'm sitting there. So it'd be fun to see. But then, going back to the accuracy, I know how frustrated you are with all of these wearables that you have tried and had and you said they're not accurate. So if they're not accurate, you just don't want to wear them at all. So that goes a little bit against what you're saying now.

Trevor: 11:55

Yeah, the accuracy on those is heart rate and I don't know why they haven't figured that out yet. That seemed like heart rate monitors have been around forever. I don't know how they could be so far off, or I'm an anomaly which I would think statistically is impossible. But yeah, if my heart rate shows as 206, I'm not sure it's accurate. It seems a little bit high. Your heart rate does a weird thing, so I agree On all devices yes, yeah. I wonder if you're really so weird anomaly, that's what.

Klara: 12:34

I'm saying, I mean there's a chance of it, but I doubt it. I think they just don't work well.

Trevor: 12:40

But with that being said, I think it's a good thing to have a good heart rate. That doesn't work well. But with that being said, if you stick with the same device and you know that it's inaccurate, you at least have some kind of baseline to go off of. It just would be nice to see the incremental improvement in that getting better and that for some reason it doesn't seem to ever get better with any device that I ever use over time. That's the part that's missing. I said, start wherever you want, but improve it over time, and that's the part that doesn't seem to happen. But back to the overall device.

Trevor: 13:18

Maybe it's just an overall hormone thing, Now, then you got the let's say you can do hormones and glucose ketones, but again, then, what do you do with it? Cause, how do you correlate it to anything Other than you read a book. One book says this, another book says something else, but do we actually know, truthfully, no-transcript what the hormones actually mean at the different levels? So if you could actually let's theorize for a second or ponder if you had a device that collected whatever the top 10 hormones are in your body I don't even know if there are that many, but let's say there are, let's say they were even accurate then what does it mean? You can see it. It goes up and down, changes stays the same. You don't have any, I don't know. It gives you the data, but then you actually gotta figure out. Okay, what does this mean?

Klara: 14:20

In regards to your own baseline, because you can always compare it to what the scientist believe is the right levels.

Trevor: 14:29

Yeah, but do they know? Because if you can't monitor it all the time, aren't they just making a whole bunch of assumptions and guesses? It's like eggs. The scientists say eggs are bad for you, and then they say, oh no, you're gonna have two eggs a day, it's fine. And then they say, oh yeah, there's no problem with eggs, feel free to eat them. I mean, scientists don't even agree. Oh, I don't know if scientists agree.

Trevor: 14:57

When you read stuff whoever's making up the words and the stuff that you read we can't even come to a consensus whether cholesterol is good and bad, and what external cholesterol, how much it influences your overall cholesterol level. Does your body just make extra cholesterol? In some people less than other people. If you eat five sticks of butter, will your cholesterol spike or do you just have a sore stomach from it? Sticks of butter in your stomach? I would like the data. But then what do you do with the data? You gotta actually have somebody that can study it. Sure, somebody studying the stuff somewhere. I just don't know. I don't know what's the answer.

Klara: 15:42

Going back to the cold plan to close on it.

Trevor: 15:45

Very cold.

Klara: 15:47

Yeah, you said you see some positives from not having neckaches. You still do it every day. Is it mainly because of that or do you see anything else as a result when you get out or throughout the day?

Trevor: 16:03

No, that's it.

Klara: 16:04

No alertness or.

Trevor: 16:06

No.

Klara: 16:08

So why do you do it?

Trevor: 16:10

Hopefully, so I don't get a neckache Plus, it's sitting there.

Klara: 16:13

All right. Next topic, Texas. So looking at 2023, there was our big move.

Trevor: 16:22

Big state.

Klara: 16:24

That's two big state, Although California is a big state too. We moved from California to Texas. How do you see the transition? How are you enjoying it or not enjoying it?

Trevor: 16:36

Transition. I don't even know what do you mean by transition exactly.

Klara: 16:40

Well, I guess the whole move that we self performed and then settling down in Austin, and it changes between California to here.

Trevor: 16:52

The self-performed move I'm glad is over. If I self-performed the next move, I need to take a diuretic or something. I'm not sure exactly, I'll have to figure this out, but or I need to get out and take more walking breaks.

Trevor: 17:12

I'm not sure what it is. All I know is one of the worst side effects of the move was, by the time I arrived, the whole bottom part of my body was extremely swollen or bloated, or I don't know what it was, but it was uncomfortable and took a couple of days for it to go away. So, whatever that was, I need to solve for. The second thing I need to solve for is getting tires that don't go flat or shred themselves, because that's a huge waste of time and screws up your calculation on how long you can stay awake for. Also, I need a faster truck that maneuvers better, because that also screws up your time calculations. Although I don't know that I'd want to drive a truck any faster than I, probably was Not very comfortable in a 26 foot truck with a trailer behind it. So, yeah, glad that's over.

Klara: 18:13

But just for everyone, even to your first point, how long were you in the car for? Was it four days? Did you end up three, either? For sure, full three days.

Trevor: 18:23

No, I think it was 55 hours, if I remember correctly. I don't know Actually. No, 55 hours was how long it took me to drive from New Jersey to California, and this was longer even though it was shorter.

Klara: 18:37

So I think we left Sunday noon each time, or before noon. You got your first flat tire on Sunday afternoon, or even, I think, around five or six, yeah, like six hours into the drive. So that pushed you back by at least, I want to say 10 to 12 hours, because they weren't unable to repair it.

Trevor: 19:01

Yeah, I don't know how long it took. All I know is it was too long and it screwed up my calculations.

Klara: 19:08

I think you were at Tuesday very late.

Trevor: 19:12

Yeah, the flat tire and then the shredded tire. I think total was like 11 or 12 hours of downtime and then, being that I couldn't go, 70, 75, I don't know how many hours that added, but it added a lot of hours, which stretched it out to where I had to actually stop and sleep for, I think, four hours, which was another four hours wasted, which was also a bummer. So I wanted to drive straight through. I didn't get New Jersey to California straight through like I had planned. I had to sleep four hours total on that trip too, so I was really hoping I could do the other one without having to stop.

Trevor: 19:54

It seems like it would be shorter and I should be able to do it easier, but I think total time it was longer.

Klara: 20:02

But I don't think you could nap at all right, because you didn't have a space in the cabin, because there was all full list stuff too, so you were eventually in a seating position the whole time.

Trevor: 20:12

No, I got the truck. The truck actually was more comfortable to sleep in than when I drove out in my super room.

Trevor: 20:19

Yeah, I had my laptop bag that sort of had an angle to it and I found a nice comfortable position where I could sort of be at an angle. I, when I did wake up, my legs were a little bit uncomfortable because I had sort of angled myself towards the passenger side and I'd put my feet sort of up but they weren't able to be straight. So they were a little uncomfortable because they were sort of jammed wedge wedge, maybe better in between the door and the steering wheel. But I mean, I was sleeping in the freaking truck. What do you expect? You're not supposed to be able to sleep comfortably in front of a truck.

Trevor: 21:01

That's what stupid people like me do when you don't want to stop and find a hotel. In fact, I was so tired that I don't know that I could have driven much farther when I did stop and there was no hotel nearby. So it was either stop and actually sleep for the four hours, or who knows if I would have truly made it to wherever the hotel was, and then by the time I found a hotel, I probably would have been like, ah, I'll just keep driving, and then I would have. Who knows.

Trevor: 21:33

But, yeah, don't sleep in a truck, that's the takeaway. Also, don't try to drive from California to Texas in a big truck with flat tires, but the actual move to Austin. I mean, I think in general people are a little bit more friendly, not always, though, it depends on where you are, but in general they will, I think, in general acknowledge that there's somebody alive in front of them. So like if you smile or nod at somebody they'll usually respond. So that's nice. This is just in case you're not sure if you're still alive because there's no reaction. You could just be like a ghost walking down the street. You think you're alive. You know, happened to Patrick Swayze in a movie, so it's possible, I guess.

Klara: 22:27

That's right, it was a fine movie.

Trevor: 22:29

Yeah, took him a while to figure out he wasn't alive. It's happened in a lot of movies probably. There's a lot more roads and space.

Klara: 22:40

Being.

Trevor: 22:40

California's big. You're right, but for some reason it just seems like there's way more roads everywhere in Texas. Not sure that's still an interesting, weird thing.

Klara: 22:53

How do you like the community we live in?

Trevor: 22:55

It's a community. I mean it's good, it's nice, it's peaceful, yeah.

Klara: 23:02

How do you like some of the breweries around here in the area and food?

Trevor: 23:06

Breweries are good. Still got a few. Actually, there's probably a whole bunch that I haven't been to yet. The tricky part is Like we went to one yesterday. It's quite a drive Again goes back to these roads. So many freaking roads and everything seems to be so close but far away all at the same time. Listen, there's all the breweries and wineries that I drove by when I went to Houston maybe, yeah, but I found some. I mean, we found some really good breweries but I'm sure there's probably.

Trevor: 23:45

I don't know probably haven't found more than 5% of what exists in Texas, so there's still some exploring to do. Found the one in where it was a Carrollton maybe.

Klara: 23:59

Yes, yeah.

Trevor: 24:01

Which is unevenly local per se.

Klara: 24:05

Oh, is that one called? I forgot Three nations. I think, yes, three nations brewing.

Trevor: 24:11

They sort of have two names. I'm not sure which one they actually use.

Klara: 24:14

Do you have a favorite one so far?

Trevor: 24:16

I don't know if I have a favorite. I think that it probably depends on what they have on tap and what they have available, because they don't always have the same stuff. So, depending on what they have, what's in season, jester King's always good, but they have different stuff on tap, so, like the slushie that we had the one time, they don't have that always.

Trevor: 24:43

So that's sort of sad, because it's a good slushie, if you feel like a slushie, Although it's winter time, so maybe slushies aren't such a big deal anymore, but in the summertime slushies good. I have favorite beers from three nations, but they were they only had like two of the beers that I had tried previously on tap. Everything else on tap was different. So it just depends, I think, on the time and the season and what they have.

Klara: 25:12

So we'll keep trying see if we find our most favorite one.

Trevor: 25:17

Yeah, and just see what else there is. That way you're not stuck with the same brewery all the time.

Klara: 25:26

Yep, it's fun to try different things. So, transitioning to wireless, reflecting on 2023 and the things you've been putting your effort into, and perhaps what 2024 may bring. If you want to forecast, and I think, what are you most excited about or what do you think has been one or two items you would want to mention that you're working on 2023 and review. Any learnings.

Trevor: 26:07

I don't think anything groundbreaking is for his learnings. Everything takes longer than it should, but I don't think that's actually necessarily specific to wireless. I think that seems to be everything in life. Maturity of private wireless still has a long ways to go, but I think that was a known. I think that's my reflection 2023. Maybe get away from it a couple more years and I'll reflect back differently, but right now I think that's all. I got Forecast. I was reading. I was reading Salona's forecast two days ago for the space, which is interesting. I think they got a jump on the forecast because I haven't seen very many others come out yet. I don't think I've only seen two others and made me think about writing a parody forecast and making fun of everybody who puts together forecasts. But I haven't decided if I'm gonna do that quite yet.

Klara: 27:17

What was their forecast? Do you remember?

Trevor: 27:20

I don't. But while I agreed with most of what they had, it also seemed like just common sense stuff. I didn't feel like anything was groundbreaking or it didn't stretch what could possibly happen or come about, sort of like man I forget what show it was, maybe Adam Kroll's radio show, probably multiple radio shows back in the day, back when people actually listened to the radio, but I think it was Adam that I listened to they used to, at the end of the year, put together a list of people who they thought were gonna die the next year. Wow.

Trevor: 28:01

And it's easy to forecast or guess somebody that's like 90 years old and be like, oh yeah, jimmy Carter's gonna die this year because he's old and can't move, and or you could even say that of Biden.

Klara: 28:16

It's interesting that they were able to do that.

Trevor: 28:19

Why.

Klara: 28:20

I don't know. I just feel like it wouldn't be something people would wanna read or be open to even being published nowadays.

Trevor: 28:29

They may not do it anymore and that type of radio. That was sort of what that type of radio was about. But picking somebody that was like younger, right, that would be the wild card, the fun one. So yeah, the forecast was basically just all old people's what got picked. It was interesting to read through. It makes you think a little bit, but it would have been fun to have something a little bit more. At least one was like a wild card.

Trevor: 29:00

So I don't know what forecast I have for 2024. The safe one is things will continue to move too slow. People continue to make things overly complicated, or inversely, maybe I try to make them too uncomplicated, too simple. I mean I wish there was something, something exciting I could say about this, but I don't think there is. I think it's just, I think it's the status quo, human nature. I'm interested to see how the DIY guys progress this year. That'll be fun to watch because I still don't understand the true business model of the DIY space. Either meeting some of them so they can explain it to me, or just seeing something that seems successful, that would be great. There's a stretch forecast. I used to work at Dell. I forecast that they're going to come out with an actual, real, live, commercially viable product this year.

Klara: 30:03

Dell yeah On the wireless space, in the wireless space yeah.

Trevor: 30:08

Not associated with servers. Wow. Not associated with their normal software partners that sit on their servers Like something like a true, real wireless product.

Klara: 30:22

In 2024. 2024, yeah, they're going to launch it for enterprise.

Trevor: 30:26

They got 12 months. They can launch it for anybody yeah. Okay. They could launch it for dog houses. I just something. They're going to get something out there in the market. Nice. That would be fun to see. I think that's all I got for this. I don't know.

Klara: 30:39

Do you think any of the other things you've been working on in regards to enabling voice for private networks? Well, I'm not to realize in 2024.

Trevor: 30:49

Great question. Yes, yeah, sure, they will. Apple's going to step up and do the right thing. Google's going to step up and do the right thing and they will just solve all of those problems that exist and enable customers to actually utilize their phones the way that they should be given the right to utilize their phone, considering they bought their freaking phone.

Trevor: 31:18

It's so weird to me that they haven't given consumers control over the part of the phone that consumers should have control over. It would be like like I have these, these back and forth on LinkedIn with people and they're like well, the MNO, it's not in the MNO's best interest. And I'm like, well, okay, great. And I like and the MNO sells the phone, so it's branded as the MNO and so they're going to get complaint calls. I'm like, okay, great, but now this is partially a bad example. But let's say, the carrier controlled which apps you could download to your phone. Some consumers already have an issue with that. Like, if you take the Apple ecosystem, you're stuck with Apple's. I forget what it's called, now that I'm trying to app store.

Klara: 32:08

Yeah.

Trevor: 32:09

Whatever they call it you can't actually use a third party app platform. And so then there's this whole side project for people who want to load other stuff to jailbreak your phone. I don't even know if that's still possible I haven't looked at it in a long time but you're, basically there is some control over that. That's by Apple, not by the carriers. But if the carriers limited what apps you could use or the camera functionality, like you can only use, you know, these certain features on the camera that's on the iPhone because we want to cut down on how much data goes on our network, so if you take a really high quality picture and you want to send it, well, we're going to squeeze it down to a crappy picture so that it saves resources on our network, like, I don't think people would like that either.

Trevor: 33:02

I just don't think people understand what. First of all, the control they're giving up, or that they don't get. So they probably don't, they probably don't know what they're missing. But I'm still amazed by the arguments and I find them find them lacking in in being convincing. I get that the carriers should have access to lockdown what networks they see and what frequencies they see and all of that stuff but the rest of it. I mean you pay a thousand bucks for a phone. Now Some phones are more than a thousand bucks. I don't know about y'all, but I mean a thousand bucks is still a thousand bucks to me.

Trevor: 33:44

I like to be able to use my thousand bucks the way that I want to use it.

Klara: 33:48

So what specifically would you like to change? Maybe we should split out for those who are listening. I don't know if they fully understand it. I think they grasp the concept, but are there any specifics?

Trevor: 33:59

You know I've got a great list.

Klara: 34:00

Yes, I've got eight items in here.

Trevor: 34:02

Yesterday it had eight items on it. Today it's got nine items. I thought of a new one.

Klara: 34:07

Is there one or two you want to share with the listeners to make them think about what could be possible?

Trevor: 34:14

I'm going to start with the new one that I added, and this will actually be a fun space to watch, because I only partially understand the benefit of this too. But this is I don't know what the exact word is but something like direct to satellite cell phone service. But I was thinking this actually might apply more to private wireless than it does to carrier, because, let's say, you're a private network provider and you start collecting your monopoly pieces and you sell private networks and services to I can't think of a great example right now, but some company that has a whole bunch of locations in the US but they also have logistics, maybe like a Walmart maybe Walmart's a great example Now that I start talking about what the whole thing is gonna do.

Trevor: 35:16

So let's say you're a Walmart and you have private wireless in all of your warehouses and logistics locations.

Trevor: 35:25

And let's say you even put private wireless in your stores for whatever the heck you wanna do in your stores.

Trevor: 35:31

But then you've got a fleet of trucks that are going everywhere and you want connectivity to those trucks while they're out on the road as well as when they come into a store location or a distribution center. You either have to go roam over to the carriers network or let's say you're Walmart and you've deployed your own private networks everywhere else. Maybe you go directly to Starlink and say Starlink, I want this type of connectivity for when all of my trucks leave my warehouse or store, so that I have constant connectivity to all of my moving pieces and parts, so that I could actually see having some kind of possible use, so that instead of having this work with a satellite company and a carrier, you could just go directly to the satellite company and for the usage that you would have in between all the points that that truck goes, you wouldn't even need that much bandwidth. Probably it would be limited bandwidth and if you're big enough like a Walmart, you could probably negotiate decent rates for that connectivity.

Trevor: 36:53

So that was my new add to the list this morning actually. So now I've got nine items on my list.

Klara: 36:59

So it's more of IoT, or would it be an iPhone, or like a phone it could be.

Trevor: 37:05

IoT, but it could also be like critical communication right. So that the driver of the truck if there's an emergency, they know they always have connectivity, because you don't always have connectivity when you have an M&O.

Klara: 37:19

Especially if you're driving these big trucks and still probably a lot of ruler US and parts. I mean, there's just a lot of highway.

Trevor: 37:29

There's stretches of highway that have horrible coverage. And then I mean I don't know what they do on these trucks, police. I mean I don't know that police are big enough to negotiate rates. That would make sense to have satellite connectivity, but they also, it seems like they have freaking a command center in each vehicle now, so like they've got at least one laptop in there.

Trevor: 37:51

Who knows what's going on with that laptop, but I know some vehicles or at least there's a capability for some vehicles that actually have license plate reader cameras, so as they're driving down the road they're actually collecting data. That's got to offload somewhere, but they could push data to the laptops. Again, critical communication. I don't know if you need faster backup of body camera stuff, but body cameras seem to be all the rage these days so you can take everything out of context and have riots Anyway. Yeah, that I actually see as something that-.

Klara: 38:26

That's a good one.

Trevor: 38:27

The satellite connectivity might be useful for In general. So the basic framework and I don't remember my eight points or nine points now, which is why I have an actual list because I don't have to remember them but the framework Apple started. So geolocation, so you actually know. Actually, more importantly, your phone knows when it should be in a private network and when it's not. So there's two great things about that. One is is it turns on your SIM Well, turns on and off your SIM when you go into that location. So it's good for battery resources, but it also then allows your phone to do other stuff as well Once it crosses that threshold or leaves that threshold. So geolocation is one.

Trevor: 39:12

The second one is actual control over whether it hits 4G or 5G, which seems I mean, seems like that's a no-brainer, but carriers usually have control over that because it's the carrier network. Since this isn't the carrier network, you gotta give control to either the user, the network provider, whoever it is it's managing the private wireless, because you may have a 4G network or you may have a 5G network. So your phone has to know what to do. Third one is to prefer actually not to prefer, that's a bad way of putting it To select whether you want your phone to connect to WiFi or private wireless as the default. So some locations you would go into you may actually want WiFi to be your preferred, some might be private, some you might not care, but having the ability to select which one is your preferred connectivity method.

Trevor: 40:17

And then the fourth one is when you're in a private network and, in theory, geo-fenced, but I don't think it actually has to be a geo-fenced for this to work on Apple's devices. But when you're within a private network and have zero macro coverage, then it will route your call to your primary SIMS, ims, and terminate calls, or actually terminate IMS activity is a better way of putting it, but that would be calls messages. The downside is you have to be in zero macro coverage, so you could be in unusable coverage and it still won't work. You have to be in zero macro coverage. So that's what they added, which was a great first step in enabling some functionality for the enterprise and user or private network deployment company. But they need to add, in my estimation, five more things, which is why my list is nine long instead of five long.

Klara: 41:27

Yeah, well, they all make sense for me, so I'm cheering for you and hopefully you'll be able to make some progress. I think it'll be beneficial for the enterprises and private network providers and companies who build private networks, because I think it will improve the use case and actually make more sense for the people who wanna install their and operate or just have their own private network. We have probably two more minutes.

Trevor: 41:54

Two more okay.

Klara: 41:55

Anything else you wanna say about Christmas, christmas coming up, we don't celebrate Christmas.

Trevor: 42:02

No, I don't really think I have anything to say about it. All right. It is definitely Christmas time, though there's no snow. I would like to see snow. I always think Christmas and snow go together. That was one of the weird things about California, or at least part of California that we always lived in. When we lived in California never snow yeah, maybe up on the hill, but never down on the ground where we lived. So it's not Christmas really without snow. Even if it is Christmas, it's still not Christmas.

Klara: 42:39

Yeah, I agree, it's weird. I'm also used to snow and Christmas. I wonder if this is because we both grew up.

Trevor: 42:46

Yeah.

Klara: 42:47

Where. Once you know that Christmas and snow go together ever since you were a kid, you just put them together.

Trevor: 42:54

Yeah, I think so. If I would have grown up in Southern California I probably wouldn't have done that. But even where I grew up, we didn't always have snow on the ground for Christmas and it just didn't seem like Christmas with us. No, so it would be interesting living growing up somewhere without snow and Christmas, or just without snow ever Like. Could you imagine never seen snow?

Klara: 43:18

They'll be sad.

Trevor: 43:19

Well, it's just interesting to think about because, I'm sure there's lots of people in the world who've never seen snow. Really. It's gotta be.

Klara: 43:27

Like experienced it. Maybe you've seen it still on TV and you probably wonder what it is, but that's not the same yeah.

Trevor: 43:34

I mean, you could see somebody break their nose on TV, but until you broke your nose you don't know what goes with it.

Klara: 43:44

Yeah.

Trevor: 43:45

So the actual experience which reminds me, I think people who are big into lived experiences should add snow to their list of things.

Klara: 43:58

Good snow can be very fun. A fun snow day. Yeah. You should travel to some sort of mountains for snow.

Trevor: 44:06

No, no. I like it when the snow just happens spontaneously where you are. Okay, I don't need to see it so bad that I'm gonna drive somewhere for it. It says we have rain.

Klara: 44:17

True.

Klara: 44:18

It's moisture and maybe well snow at some point. In Texas there's typically lately a few snowy days randomly that come, so yeah, sounds good. Well, merry Christmas, trevor. If you enjoyed this episode, I want to ask you to please do two things that would help me greatly. One, please consider leaving a review on Apple Podcasts, spotify or any other podcasting platform that you use to listen to this episode. Two, please share this podcast with a friend who you believe might enjoy it as well. It is a great way to remind someone you care about them by sharing a conversation they might be interested in. Thank you for listening.