Lip Ties and Tongue Ties

Were you told by someone (anyone) your baby has a tongue or lip tie?

Have you ever wondered how common this really is?

Do you worry about what will happen to breastfeeding if your baby has a tongue tie?

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Things we talked about:

The peer groups  [6:19]

Don’t have your baby diagnosed over social media [7:43]

Exley’s tongue tie situation [10:27]

Tongue tie stats [16:30]

Jumping to conclusions [21:27]

Importance of adequate support [22:46]

Non-invasive steps first [24:16]

Being over informed [29:25]

Speech issues [29:30]

Trust your parenting instinct [33:48]

Today’s Shout Out is to Shi Shi Rose @shishi.rose [20:08]

 
*This Episode is sponsored by Original Sprout and Sheila Darling Coaching

Links to information we discussed or episodes you should check out!

https://www.aappublications.org/news/2021/01/01/nce2020-tonguetie010121

https://badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com/episode/043-babies-that-wont-dont-latch/

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dianne (00:21):

[inaudible] hi, welcome to the Badass Breastfeeding podcast. This is Dianne, your lactation consultant,

abby (00:26):

and I'm Abby, the badass breastfeeder and today's episode is brought to you by Sheila Darling coaching. Sheila Darling is a social worker, certified hypnotherapist and mindfulness meditation teacher, and could be your start to a more peaceful life. And today's episode is also brought to you by original sprout. Original sprout carries, safe, effective, and pediatrician, tested shampoos, conditioners, styling, and body care products produced and packaged in the United States. Uh, and we'll hear more about our sponsors later, but these sponsors make this podcast possible. So if you can please head to badassbreastfeedingpodcast.com and check out our sponsor page. If you need anything, check there and see if you can give any of our sponsors your business. And while you're there, you can scroll down and enter your email address and get episodes sent straight to your inbox every Monday. And now Dianne has our review of the week.

dianne (01:18):

I do have our review of the week. It is from iTunes and it's from Emily and Sean's mom. And she says that we are great to listen to from last trimester and beyond. I started listening to this in my last trimester before my second baby was born and it has been super helpful even for a second time. Mom like me and I breastfed my first and she was two until she was two plus years old. It's so comforting and reassuring. And I love being able to jump around to topics that are coming up for me in this new breastfeeding journey, love this podcast, and I'm recommending it to every mom (and partner too) that I know. Thank you so much. And this is a really good point that it could be your fifth baby, and you still need a little bit of new information. You still need to kind of have that support every baby's different. So I'm really glad that she found us. And thank you so much. And I hope everything is going well with your second baby and things. Totally you forget.

abby (02:21):

Oh my God. I mean, when I was breastfeeding Jack, I breastfed Jack. He was a toddler I had Exley, I was like, okay, it's fine. Everything will be fine. It's fine. It's fine. Everything's fine.

dianne (02:33):

Famous last words.

abby (02:34):

I know. And then I had no idea how to breastfeed him. Like I had just completely forgotten you just completely forget. You're just your new every time. Oh my God. You're brand new. So yeah, it's really, and then there were completely different issues. There were all, it's also different,

dianne (02:50):

totally different babies. It's just totally. And I swear, and I tell this to everybody and I'm half joking, but I'm half serious too. That those first phases of your newborn, Like that first month, we block it out and forget about it. And that's the only reason why we have more children. I'm really sure. You know? So it's like, you have this new baby and you're like, Oh my God, I don't even remember this from the first time, what did I do? How did I hold him? Was this, was this normal where they up this much where they did, they need to be held as much. Like you just forget.

abby (03:24):

Yeah. You totally block it out. I think that's why we get up everyday. Right? Oh my God. Cause we block out the day before,

dianne (03:29):

We block out the day before. Exactly. We wouldn't make it through this life.

abby (03:33):

I remember my old, my old boss, she was like, I was having, I was pregnant with Jack my first and I was talking to her about, she was talking, she didn't have kids and had no plans to have kids. And she was talking about friends of hers that had kids. And she was, you know, she went through the kind of the first kid with them and then they got pregnant again. And she was like, why would you do that again? She's like, Well you just block it all out. I don't even remember. And she goes, well, I don't remember. I remember. Yeah, you don't count.

dianne (04:04):

Oh my gosh. It's true though. You just totally, totally block it out.

abby (04:09):

Yeah, My mom, I know my mom's always like, Oh yeah, no, and talks like, So like so wonderfully About herself and my childhood. And I'm like, I don't what, and she's like, I don't remember that. I'm like, yeah, I know. Oh my God. I clearly don't remember that.

dianne (04:25):

Yeah. I love it. When people tell me, Oh, my mom said that I slept through the night. As soon as I got home, my mom said that I wasn't a good breastfeeder or my mom... I'm like, your mom is going back 30 Years. It's like, she Does not remember clearly what is going on. It's totally fine. Just go with your own experience. But it's, I mean, it's totally true. You need that help and support every single time. That's why we're here.

abby (04:53):

Yeah. And that very much relates to our topic today. Oh my gosh. Which is a big thing. Everybody is probably going to want at least wonder about or go through

dianne (05:02):

Cause I'm sure you've met somebody who has gone through it. Yeah. Or thinks they have, is this been a pretty common thing? This whole tongue tie issue. Yeah.

abby (05:14):

So let's go shoot. Did. Or were you done Talking?

dianne (05:17):

I was, yes. I guess I was okay. Yes, no, I'm totally was. Yeah. So thank you for the review. I'll put that out there again. Yeah. And you can leave them on iTunes that helps us. Oh yeah. Totally. Leave them on iTunes. It helps us get, send us an email carrier, pigeon, whatever. Doesn't matter. smoke signals. It all works.

abby (05:40):

The bat signal in the sky. Oh our logo. The finger logo.

dianne (05:46):

Yes. We'll come and help. That would be fabulous. I need that.

abby (05:52):

dianne's like, how can we project that onto the moon?

dianne (05:53):

I know. Totally trying to think of that right now too. I'm like, come on. Don't I know somebody,

abby (06:01):

someone with a giant moon projector,

dianne (06:05):

but if anybody knows anyone. Let me know. So yeah. So we're going to talk about lip and tongue ties. I don't even know how to get started with this because it's so like, it's such a crazy, I feel like it's such a crazy topic.

abby (06:19):

They're everywhere. I know. And it's, it's, it's, it's one of those things that I also think you see a lot suggested from like peer to peer, you know, in the, in the mom groups, the parent groups, the breastfeeding groups, the chest feeding, breastfeeding, chest feeding community, online, whatever kind of not supervised by lactation consultants or, you know, whatever, you know, it's like, well, my baby's having difficulty this, well, they probably have a lip tie or a tongue tie. You should, you know, get that clipped right away.

dianne (06:50):

You know, that is a really good, I'm glad you brought that up because that is one of the things that we do see, and that can cause a lot of problems. Yeah. It cause a lot of problems,

abby (07:02):

the advice or the clipping of the,

dianne (07:03):

the advice, because it's not, nobody's going off looking at your baby to somebody who's actually seen the baby.

abby (07:11):

Nobody has seen the baby. And like, there are times where like people will post pictures, like people post pictures of those like super severe tongue ties. Like those really rare, really severe ones. And like anyone could be like, Whoa, that's problematic. You know? But like that's not usually how it is. And also just posting a picture on social media is not like getting the actual, like help or the, you know, describe trying to decide with a professional, what the appropriate intervention would be for that.

dianne (07:43):

Please do not have your baby diagnosed over a social media group. Yeah. That is just not the way to do it. And if there is a health professional in that social media group that diagnosis your child, shame on them because they're not supposed to be doing that. So it really, you really need to have your child looked at, if you're worried that this is an issue, then see a lactation consultant in person, even the videos people will contact me and be like, can you tell this over video? And it's like, you know, I can tell a lot by asking certain questions, but honest to God, when it comes to like a tongue tie situation, you want to be able to see that baby and see how their tongue functions, because it's all about the functionality of the tongue. It doesn't matter what it looks like. I mean, sometimes it matters. I, I will, I will say that sometimes it does matter, like you said, those really extreme ones, but a lot of it comes down to functionality and how much movement your baby's tongue has. And you can't tell that by a picture. Can't see that just by looking.

abby (08:50):

Yeah. I mean, when I had, so I had Jack, I didn't know anything about that was like not something that came up And I started to hear about them later. And I've been on, I've been in the, you know, the community, the social media breastfeeding chest feeding community for, I guess, nine years now. And when I first started, I didn't really hear about this. Right. And then as the couple of years, few years went by, it was everywhere and every baby had a lip tie or a tongue tie and a lot of babies were getting it clipped and you know, all that, you know, the pretty invasive surgery or whatever procedure to get it. Not that it's not warranted sometimes. Cause it totally is. But, um, but it was just became like this, the biggest trend really in the community where it was just so it was such a hot topic. So anyway, Exley was born and actually I've told this story before that Exley in the, his first week or so. Um, the thing that first alerted me to an issue was that his poop didn't, it was like, you know how they start out with the greenish poop and then it changes. It's kind of more Brown poop. Yeah. So his poop was still green and it wasn't changing. Um, and so I was just like, I don't know, I'm looking on Google, you know, and it says it should have changed my now, but I don't know. And so, and then I took him to like get weighed or whatever and he hadn't gained any weight. So I called this, by this time I knew who to call. I had my Nancy Mohrbacher was a friend of mine is a friend of mine and I called her and she's a lactation consultant.

dianne (10:26):

She's amazing.

abby (10:27):

She's wonderful. And she was like, she just talked to me on the phone. She said, okay, so he didn't lose weight, which is good. Um, but like she just asked me a few questions cause I was also tandem nursing. She's like, so what like method are you using retain numbers? I was like method, method. I was like, what do you mean? I was like, I'm just putting them on. And she was like, well, just make sure that when you put the baby on the new baby that they're getting like the fuller breast, I was like, Oh, okay. I wasn't paying any attention to that. And then, you know, try a few things. And I had taken Exley in person to another lactation consultant friend of mine. So I had like a whole like the dream team, but, and, and she was kinda like looking at him like, does he have a, she was like, let's see if he's got like a, you know, a little tongue tie situation or whatever. And so she puts him on the floor. She has him cry. He's like laying there crying and she's looking at his tongue and, and um, she was like, I'm looking to make sure that the tongue reaches the top of his mouth and um, and I'm looking at it and I can see that it's not. And I was like, Oh, well, so what do you think she goes, I don't know. She's like, I don't dunno. I don't know. I don't basically, she just told me, I don't know, a bunch of times. And then, so I went back to Nancy Mohrbacher and it took that information and she said, well, I said, so she checked him and she said, well, what did she find? What does she think? And I said, well, she didn't look like his tongue was really reaching the top of his mouth. And, but then she just said she didn't really know. And so Nancy was like, well, let's just try it. Let's just try a couple things, you know, because that's not, that's just one clue. That's not like the end all be all of this situation. Correct. Like maybe he has a slight tongue tie. Maybe that is something that's happening. But like, if we try to help him and help you to like transfer more milk, maybe it's just not a thing too. Maybe it's not effecting anything. So I tried a few things that she suggested, like breast compressions and getting a deeper latch. And you know, of course starting him on the full breast, not just an empty what, well, not that your breast is ever empty, but you know, just getting the fuller one while and letting Jack kind of empty the other one. And he gained twice as much as he should have in, you know, like average. And he like doubled what an average baby would gain in that next week. So the tongue tie situation just was not, it was just like, well, yeah, maybe that's something that's present, but it's not affecting anything. So, you know, what we thought was an issue is now fixed. So we're just going to move right along and leave that to be

dianne (12:54):

Right. And that's, I mean, I, I feel like that's the correct way to look at it. Like you have to look at all the things. And there was a time in my lactation consultant journey that I did see a lot of tongue ties or I thought that that was the issue because I wasn't as educated on a lot of things regarding tongue tie and muscle movement and, you know, tongue mobility and all of those things. And the more educated that I got, the more I realized, okay, there could be a lot of different things going on here. And sometimes you're right. Sometimes it absolutely is just let's fix the positioning. And that might actually do the trick. Positioning plays a huge role in everything that's going on with your baby and how they, how they breast or chest feed. Huge. So make sure the positioning is right is really important because I have seen babies go through very invasive procedures and it doesn't help. It doesn't fix anything. It only makes it worse because that wasn't the problem to begin with. And that is really sad. And sometimes, and I've seen this too, where those, because those procedures can be invasive, those babies develop an oral aversion and it takes a lot of time and energy and patients to get them back to the breast at all, because they just don't want to do anything. So it can be really, really discouraging to go through all that and then have it not work, but you need to know, you need to talk to somebody that really is skilled with it. You really do. And make sure that this is what you want to do and make sure that it's a necessary thing.

abby (14:49):

Yeah. You don't want to like look at your bsby, you know, you don't want to be like, okay, I'm breastfeeding. Everything's going fine. And then you hear about like lips and tongue ties and then go, Oh my God, let me check my baby. Oh my God. I think they have a tongue tie. Oh my God, let me bring them to a specialist. Every what's your baby was drinking. You know, your baby's getting milk. Everything's fine. If your baby's drinking milk and getting enough enough, transferring enough milk, that's the bottom line, right. If your baby can get the milk out, then there's not an issue.

dianne (15:19):

So I have this really cool article that came. So I belong to a little group here and where I live. Um, it's our like little feeding collaborative, and there's, you know, a few people that work with, um, breast and chest feeding parents in different avenues. So like lactation, there's speech, language pathologists, there's chiropractors, there's craniosacral therapist. There's just like a bunch of different people in this group. And one of the things we do talk about a lot is because a lot of us work with the same patients. So we do talk a lot about lip and tongue ties and whether or not this is necessary, whether or not with this patient it's necessary, whether or not it with this patient is necessary. So, um, one of them sent, Oh, this really great, very recent article, um, like within the last year about lip and tongue ties and the differences and stuff like that. And the stats are really crazy. So even though this is a very recent article, the stats that they're, that they're projecting here are from early in 2000. So it says, despite a stable us birth rate, ankyloglossia which is a fancy word for tongue tie diagnosis Rose from 5,000 in the year 2000 to 33,000 in the year 2012. Wow. And frenotomy which is the procedure that is done to release a tongue tie frenotomy rates increased from 1600 to 12,000.

abby (17:00):

Wow.

dianne (17:03):

And often it says here, often social media groups, lead mothers to high volume frenotomy providers, which is exactly what happens.

abby (17:14):

Yeah. I feel like this is what happens. We begin, we start to become aware of an issue, which is great and awareness grows and all of that. But then, then throughout the process of this awareness, sometimes an over-diagnosis and over intervention starts happening We don't really fully understand the scope of this.

dianne (17:31):

True. I was going to say, should we talk more about that? And more about some of these stats after our sponsors,

abby (17:37):

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dianne (20:07):

A necessary one.

abby (20:08):

Yeah. Um, today's shout out, goes to Shishi Rose. Um, shiShi Rose is on Instagram as a birth and postpartum family advocate and childbirth educator. ShiShi Rose can be found on Instagram at Shishi S H I S H I dot Rose. And she, she is a super bad-ass and this Instagram feed is incredible. And you should put it in your feed and follow along. Uh, again, ShiShi. Rose on Instagram. Awesome. Yeah. Back to our conversation.

dianne (20:46):

Yeah. So Couple of things that I think are important to note if like Abby was saying, if your baby is feeding fine, if they're gaining weight well, if you're not having any issues, don't just assume that your baby needs this procedure done. You know, really look into that and make sure that you are, you know, you're not just looking for problems. I hate to say it that way, but sometimes I feel like that's, what's going on. Like you said, they're, they're doing well. And they go, Oh my gosh, does my baby have this problem? I think they might. What do I do now? I looked on the internet. This is what they told me. If your baby is doing well, then let's not jump to that conclusion. If you are having some extreme pain with the feeds, that's not going away no matter what happens, no matter how much stuff you try, no matter what you do and your baby and or your, your baby is not gaining well, then that might be something that needs to be looked into. Is that the problem? But it could also be that your baby is not coordinated. Babies often are not coordinated. They, they are having trouble getting their suck, swallow, breathe together and figured out it could be that that's the problem. It could be that they have very tight jaw muscles and they are just clamping down. It could be that they are still dealing with some birth trauma, depending on the way your, your baby was born. There's a lot of things that that could be going on there. So the bottom line is, and this comes right out of this, you know, this article that I was reading the bottom line is research does support performing frenotomy for classic ankyloglossia, which is the tip of the tongue, right to the tip of the tongue for breastfeeding problems. And we need to advocate that mothers get more lactation support rather than more frenotomies. What it really comes down to is families do not have adequate support. That's what it comes down to. And we're taking our advice off of social media from people we don't even know, instead of investing in a good lactation consultant that can help you solve your problems.

abby (23:10):

Yeah. And you know, how about we try, you know, like in my situation, you know, instead of trying to just say like, well, that could be the issue let's go there. You know, the, the idea was like, well, let's try some of these less invasive things first, let's try these, let's try these interventions that are quite simple, that could, that could fix the problem. And, you know, so maybe it's not directly related to that. So when you try a couple of these more simple, less invasive things, and that still doesn't work, you know, then that's more information for you and your professionals to go off of. But sometimes it does work. And like, in my situation, it did

dianne (23:49):

Exactly, exactly. But a lot of them I'm looking for it in this article, this wasn't a long article. So I didn't go through with my highlighter. Like I typically would. But one of the things that they were saying in this article, I can't find exactly where it was, was that there are so many other things that it could be that just jumping to one conclusion could be just devastating. I always try to do just like you said, like, I always try to do the most non-invasive things first. And I always tell the parents that too, let's give it a minute. Let's, you know, figure out all these other things first, let's go the most non-invasive route first and see what happens. You know, it's not like, Oh my gosh, we need to do something the minute they've arrived on the planet, we need to make sure the baby's getting the milk. If there's an extreme issue, they're not gaining, mom's having so much pain. This is really what we're, we're thinking is the problem. That's we're sure about it then. Okay. That's different. But if the baby is feeding, okay, you know, we need to just kind of go, okay, is this, are we sure that this is the problem? Are we sure we want to make sure that we're not jumping to something that is, could actually make the problem worse instead of better.

abby (25:15):

Yeah. I mean, that happens with anything. When you have an issue and you start trying to figure out, if you just start trying to intervene right away, you could make things worse or just simply not fix the problem. Right. Cause if it's not the issue and then you go through the procedure and it's not that wasn't the problem. Then the problem is still not solved.

dianne (25:38):

Exactly. Now you got to, now you have two problems to solve. Now, your baby has to figure out how to use this tongue again, which has now been released and whatever the original problem was too. So here it says consumer and professional websites also influenced the rising frenotomy rate by listing a range of symptoms, as reasons to perform a frenotomy even though the symptoms can be attributed to other causes some symptoms that point to a likelihood of anklyloglossia are pain for the mother compress nipples, and a clicking sound made by the infant when nursing, none of these symptoms are exclusive to tongue tie, but they are on the list. So if somebody contacts me and says, my baby's clicking, I know that could be a symptom of tongue tie. Cause I read that on the internet and I'm having some pain and I'm really concerned that there's a tongue tie here. I'm going to ask them a lot of questions and we're going to have to look at a lot of different things before we just say, Oh yeah, that sounds like exactly what it is. I'm not going to tell anybody that over the phone for one thing. Right. And you're going to want to know, okay, when is the clicking happening? Is it clicking happening throughout the entire thing? Is it happened no matter what, regardless of what position your baby's in, does it happen in the beginning of the feed or at the end of the feed? Or is it non-stop what happens with the, with the flattened nipples is that every feeding is that regardless of position, there's so many things to look at that really, it could be something completely different, but all the symptoms are the same. So if you see symptoms that say, Oh, this is symptomatic of a tongue tie, it doesn't mean that it is a tongue tie just means the symptoms are the same as a different problem, too.

abby (27:34):

Yeah. That's what my pediatrician, cause I always go to my pediatrician about things, you know? Cause whatever that's what you do when your kids are sick, whatever. And I'll be like, Oh my God, but I'm, you know, isn't this, I'll like read on the internet, you know, whatever that like web MD said about this thing and you know, blah, blah. But what about this? And he's like, that's not that doesn't, that's not, that's not this situation. I'm like, Oh, okay. Just the internet doesn't know your child. And I didn't like, I never really Fully like was absorbed What that means, what that means. You know? Like the internet doesn't know your child and your specific situation. And it's like, well, my kids are pretty healthy. We don't have any major health issues. So at that does, so it doesn't, it doesn't apply to me. Well, it does because there's all kinds of things that could be going on. All kinds of other things that this very experienced medical or pediatrician is going to ask me that the internet is not going to ask and not going to know and not going to be able to apply. So even though I don't have major health issues in my family, it's still doesn't know how to apply the information to my specific situation. So he's just like that. He'll be like, that's not to do with this. I'm like, Oh, okay.

dianne (28:56):

The internet can be a blessing and a curse. And we know that. I mean, we all know that it's great to be informed, but sometimes we get over informed on the wrong thing.

abby (29:05):

We do get Over informed. I feel over informed on the daily, like just about anything, just the newsfeed is overwhelming. And then you see one headline about something. And then I'm like, Oh my God, every one of my family has this, you know? And then I freak out about it and it's just really, it's hard to be in this information age.

dianne (29:25):

It really is. There's a lot happening. And then people will ask me know, new families will ask me, well, if I don't address a tongue tie, does that mean they're going to have speech issues? I can't tell you what's going to happen with your child when they're eight. That's not a fair question to ask anybody. And I don't tell people that. I mean, I tell them the research is inconclusive or, you know, I've talked to speech therapists. Who've said that they don't think it causes it. I've talked to ENT's that say they don't think it causes it. I've talked to other people that say they think it does cause language issues. There's no guarantees anywhere in this life. There really isn't. So to ask a lactation consultant or really any provider, what is this? If I leave it alone, will my child have problems seven years down the line? We don't know. We can't answer that. You know, we just don't know that. And the same thing with lip ties. with lip ties. Cause a lot of times people ask about lip ties. This is going to cause interference with their teeth. I mean maybe depending on the severity of the lip tie, but not necessarily right. I mean it's,

abby (30:42):

And that's not an, and that's not a reason to kind of move forward with the intervention if it's not, if it's not what is causing any issue right now. Right. You know, like maybe this tongue tie quite possibly, probably not, but maybe could interfere with speech down the line. That's not a great reason to proceed with a procedure right now

dianne (31:14):

That may interrupt your breastfeeding relationship

abby (31:16):

Breastfeeding, you know, with a baby, that's trying to figure out how to be in this world, you know? Um, yeah. I've heard that too. And it's just yeah. Lots of things could possibly cause other things. Yeah.

dianne (31:30):

I mean, I have definitely had situations where having the tongue tie revised did help. I've had. Yeah, but I mean, I've dealt with thousands of families in the last 15 years. So I have seen it where it does actually where it does help and it was a necessary procedure. And then I've seen many times where it was not a necessary procedure and it really caused a lot of problems. So I would make sure, I mean the bottom line with this episode is get support from an actual lactation consultant because this is another thing too, that a lot of pediatricians, I mean, they're just kind of, kind of go, you know, I mean they don't, they don't know how it impacts breastfeeding necessarily. So you really need to get support from someone who knows

abby (32:19):

No. And that's the other thing. Yeah. I think that's the other thing that happens too, is like dentists, there'll be like, Oh, this is an issue let's we need to fix this. You know, just because they see it, even though it's not really impacting anything. And then they make the recommendation to have it revised when it's, maybe it's not necessary at all. Right.

dianne (32:40):

But they'll do it.

abby (32:41):

They will. Yeah. Uh, so if you've gotten a revision, like a tongue tie revision, and now you're freaking out, don't freak out. Don't freak out. Sorry. We didn't mean to like freak you out. Like, Oh my God, it was probably not necessary. You probably messed everything up. That's not, that's not at all the situation. The situation is you're going to, everybody's going to be fine. You're breastfeeding will, you know, you will, it'll work out. And it maybe was the problem maybe very well was the issue. Um, and you can, you probably know for yourself that, um, you know, how confident you are in that it was the issue and whether it's helping or not. And if it, if it's not, or you kind of feel like you run into a situation that you're still having issues, well, then you just get the same, get the same help and support that you would would have before, you know, from a lactation consultant can help you be successful at breastfeeding.

dianne (33:39):

That's really what it comes down to. Like, we just don't want you getting information in the wrong places and we want you to get the right help and support you need. And honestly, your parenting instinct is going to take you far. And I have a lot of families who will say, is this impacting breastfeeding or chest feeding? If it's not, I don't want to do anything about it. I want to, I don't, I don't want to do anything like, okay, that's great. You know, that's fine. And I just kind of assess the situation and tell them what to watch for. And you know, but you, your, your parenting instinct will kick in with stuff like this and you will know what to do, but don't take advice from people who don't know your baby, right? I mean, if you happen, if you happen to have posted in one of those groups and somebody said, they think your baby has a tongue tie, don't freak out because they don't know. They don't, they don't know at all.

dianne (34:36):

Somebody really needs to have hands on and see what's going on with your baby. And even then like, that's what Abby did. Abby took her baby to somebody. And even then that person was like, not quite sure because, and I've said that to parents too, you know what, I'm not quite sure because it could be this, this or this too. So why don't we not jump to conclusions and just try a couple other things. Right. Exactly. And that's what worked. What if, what if she had said to you, Oh, this is what I think it is quick. Go out and get a revision. And that wasn't the problem.

abby (35:10):

Yeah. I would have gotten a second opinion, I think. Yeah, because you can do that too. Absolutely. Ask a lot of questions. Yeah. Yep. Absolutely. Thanks for listening!

Speaker 1 (35:20):

So good luck. Yeah. Thanks for listening. Thank you. [inaudible].