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From Cameroon To Arkansas: How A DNA Test And A Dating App Sparked A Love Story

Host and Creator: Blonde Intelligence (Ms. Roni) Season 4 Episode 81

Happy New Yesr!!! Welcome to Blonde Intelligence. I am your host Ms. Roni and I always seek exquisite cranial repertoire. Enjoy this throwback interview and see you next week,...bye. What if a right swipe leads you back centuries? We sit down with co-authors Luce Neida and Marshall Crowder to unpack how a modern online match sparked The Wanderers Enduring Love, a novel that bridges present-day Arkansas and historical Cameroon through DNA results, family memories, and meticulous research. Their story travels from first messages and quick meetups to archives and slave-ship manifests, linking a contemporary relationship with the legacy of The Wanderer, one of the last documented slave ships to reach the U.S.

We dig into the craft: how journaling turned into therapeutic co-writing, why they avoid rigid physical descriptions to center character and agency, and how dual timelines let love and heritage speak to each other. Lusamba, their historical heroine, stands at the heart of the narrative—resilient, grieving, and forced into impossible choices—while the present-day arc pulls from Luce and Marshall’s lived experiences across Puerto Rico, Georgia, California, and Arkansas. The result is a story that feels intimate and sweeping at once, blending romance, historical fiction, and memoir-like honesty without sacrificing clarity or pace.

COVID reshaped their launch, canceling book signings but creating unexpected focus. They share the nuts and bolts of promoting a debut through social media, community networks, and word of mouth, plus what comes next: a sequel, a children’s book inspired by childhood misadventures, and openness to stage or screen adaptations. If you care about online dating that actually works, DNA testing and ancestry, Black history and the Atlantic slave trade, or simply how to turn real life into meaningful fiction, you’ll find practical insights and a moving, layered love story here.

Read The Wanderers Enduring Love on Amazon or Barnes & Noble, follow along on Instagram, Twitter, and Facebook, and tell a friend who loves romance with roots. If this conversation resonates, subscribe, share the episode, and leave a review—what family story would you write into your own plot?

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SPEAKER_01:

Hello, everyone. Welcome to this week's blind intelligence with me, Ms. Bonnie, where I always seek to give you exquisite cranial repertoire. We have two very special guests today. We have co-authors, the Crowders. They have a new book out and they're here to discuss it with us. Say hello to everyone.

SPEAKER_03:

Hello, everyone. How are you doing? I'm doing it.

SPEAKER_00:

We're doing well. It's good to be here. Thank you for having us.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you, everyone, for having us.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm gonna start out with letting each one of you tell us a little bit about yourself.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, well, my name is Luce Neida, and I am originally from Puerto Rico by way of Boston, Massachusetts, and California, now residing in Arkansas. And writing has always been a thing for me, not so much in an escape, you know, or of, you know, like to take me into another world, but to document things that have happened in my life, kind of like journaling, but more with a little bit of whimsy, a little bit more of uh kind of like hopefulness, you know, for what would be. There was a time when I was journaling and it seemed like I was journaling just the horrible things that were happening in my life. So I said, you know, I'm gonna stop that, and I'm just gonna concentrate on the positive and just see things and in a plain view, an objective way. And that's what bought me, that along with my travels, that brought me to here to Arkansas.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So where are some of the places that you have been besides Puerto Rico, Boston, Arkansas?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, I've been to Atlanta, Georgia. I've been, uh, you know, we went on a trip there, me and my sisters when we were younger. Uh, we've gone, we've done a lot of the west coast, you know, we've been to most of California, which covers part of it, um, San Francisco, the um greater uh northern central valley. We've traveled there. And in Massachusetts, we've done Boston, New York, New Jersey, just kind of run-of-the-mill stuff.

SPEAKER_03:

Hey, um, I'm Marshall Crowder uh by way of Georgia. Um now residing in Arkansas. I've been here twice. This I came here in 2012. I had to go back for some issues um with family issues, and now I'm back again. My job um brought me back.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh writing was kind of like therapeutic for me.

SPEAKER_01:

So okay. So I know that y'all co-wrote this book together. Have y'all done any projects separate? I know you said you've done more like journaling, but have you published and released?

SPEAKER_00:

I have um I've not done writing as far as a book, but me and my sisters were in a group back like in the early 90s, and we wrote most of the music for our for our book. So we are um published through AskAp as writers. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh I haven't wrote a book, but uh I want several companies from a pet company, uh a t-shirt company, a restaurant, a club, a restaurant actually in here in Arkansas. Uh more entrepreneurship. This is the first uh book venture that I went into.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, since this is your first actual project together, what made y'all want to do a book of all the ventures that y'all could do? Why a book?

SPEAKER_03:

That was a good question. And we thought about that question. I'm gonna let her tell you about this question.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, when we first met, we knew that there was obviously a physical attraction, but uh you know, we're older now, we're not young, so we knew that in order for us to have a lasting well we're not in our 20s, so we knew that we had to do something that would last a little longer. You know, sometimes people say, Oh, let's make a baby. Well, for us, our book is our baby because we were able to express to each other and think of things from the past and you know, relive certain moments in our life that really brought us to the point that we are in. And these are things that we're sharing. He says it's therapeutic because a lot of things that were uncovered in his childhood came through while writing a book. And I was a witness to that. And a lot of a lot of times it's like a new birth, a new beginning. And when you say that something is your baby, it's not like, oh, I hold it near and dear, but because you've nurtured it and you brought it to the point that it is now. And deciding to write a book was kind of like easy for us. You want to add anything?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, no, I mean, uh I mean, like I said, we we have the best study. Yeah, she really liked something up. But we we actually we needed uh something, you know, more than just you know, our love and everything to uh carry us on through our relationship. So I like, you know, I've had businesses before. I said, you know what? She's the uh person that, you know, I'm creative, she's creative. So I said, let's you know, let's try to write a book together. So that's what we ventured in at, you know what I'm saying? Starting this first project in this first book.

SPEAKER_01:

So y'all started this book, and how did it go? Was it like, hey, I got a good idea about this story? What you think about this? Yeah, yeah, we can do this and put this in here and this. So, how did y'all come about even working together to do this book and coming up with what the storyline was gonna be?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, initially, the way that it happened was because we met through an online dating app. So, you know, when you're looking through the dating app, you're like, oh my god, isn't it funny how people with from so many different diverse backgrounds get together like on this dating app? So when we met on the app, it's like we weren't on it like for months. That, you know, I had been on dating apps before, and that's not what I like to do. I like to see if the picture is nice, see if they can speak well, see if they have yeah, and meet up immediately, like within a week. We need to meet up because I don't want to waste time on the computer. So when we met each other, we were talking about the places that we've been, and it seemed like I had gone, you know, to places like right after him. Like when me and my sisters went uh to Georgia, we just missed him. But you know, based on the stories that he was telling, he would say, Oh, yeah, I was in Atlanta. I'm like, oh my God, I was in Atlanta at that same time. We just missed each other. So we started, you know, thinking about scenarios like that. And then one day I got my ancestry done, and I said, Oh my gosh, look where I'm from. I'm from Cameroon. And he said, What? I might be from Cameroon too. And then he said, What if we're related? So we explored that and turned it into a whole story in the book, but we're not related.

SPEAKER_01:

So I have a question since you use the ancestry thing, and this is just something that's off the kind of kind of off subject, but do you ever wonder what happens to your DNA after you send it?

SPEAKER_00:

Um, I've wondered, but because a lot of people were saying, oh, they might use it for such and such, or you might be, you know, put into this thing. But to me, if they want to use it for something that I'm not aware of, they're welcome to it. I I don't know. And, you know, I I don't know what they're doing. I can't possibly conceive of what they'll do with it. So I sent it, and for the purpose that it that I sent it for, it, you know, that's what they told me they were doing it.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think uh the outcome uh over, you know, over there, yeah, overshadows, you know, saying the the bad parts of it.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh many meaning there's a lot of people that are saying, oh, they're gonna get somebody on crimes or they're gonna link you to this. And I'm I'm not even in that world. So if anything gets lit to me, yeah, if they find a criminal because of they we have the same, you know, DNA. I'm like, wow, I didn't know dude was a criminal.

SPEAKER_01:

So well, I don't even look at it as a criminal. I mean, what if they use it for like medical research or something? I mean, I just wonder what did they do with it after they got it.

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, I mean, if they're able to use it for uh medical research and come up with cures and stuff based on you know your DNA and your background. Well, I mean, that'd be awesome, you know what I'm saying? Maybe to save my family in the future. Who knows?

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Well, so y'all came up with the story of the people meeting on the dating site. So your book is kind of kind of almost like based on a true story.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

It's it's in with the framework of nonfiction.

SPEAKER_00:

So it has a framework of really what happened in our lives. It's like more than more than 50% of it is real life.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so where is the story based at?

SPEAKER_03:

Arkansas.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, present day it's in Arkansas, but it takes us, uh, we take our readers on a journey. So when we found out that we were from Cameroon, I wrote um, you know, an introduction into what I thought might be, you know, our my great-great-grandmother. Because um, my dad had told me a long time ago that his great-great-grandfather went to Puerto Rico, and the master who owned him had chopped off his hands. And, you know, they I always held that in the back of my head, and I'm like, wow, how was it that, you know, he came to Puerto Rico and then his owner just chopped off his hands, and then what happened? You know, so my father always told me the story. He says, Yes, I remember. That's what my great-grandfather used to always talk about. Uh, you know, our slaves came from, you know, from someplace far. He didn't exactly know where, but he knew that they came, they weren't from Puerto Rico, and that one of them had to be sent away because he had gotten his hands chopped off.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Okay. So what plans do you have for the book? Are you are you trying to, I mean, are you having book signings? Are you trying to get it turned to a screenplay? Have you been pitching it to uh networks? So, what process are you in with the book?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, the book was just released on in November, so it's super brand new. We would like to do book signings, and we've approached several bookstores in regards to that, but due to the situation, they're canceling a lot of in-person book signings. So it's really put a damper. I mean, the the virus has really made us push forward, and as far as the writing goes, but as far as getting out to people, but yeah, as far as getting out to people and introducing the book and introducing the characters, you know, the normally what you would do when a book launches, we haven't been able to do any of that. We're hopeful that to get the book into as many people's hands as we can so we could create, you know, the interest that we have. We want and we think that we created characters that would appeal to the masses, especially in this day and time, and maybe create a bigger thing, maybe create a um a play, maybe create a movie, maybe who knows? Uh, maybe it prompt us to write an even better sequel. But we'd like to get a lot of people interested in the characters in the book.

SPEAKER_01:

With online dating, do you I mean, how long did it take, or did you have to sift through and look to find a good catch before that good fish before you had to thaw them other ones back? You know what I'm saying? So how it took a lot?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, let her tell you her her little method of way she does it.

SPEAKER_00:

What what I would do is I treated the internet dating like I would a job. And then the meeting place, I would always think about it, picture it as if I'm actually at a club looking at people. So having those two those two things in mind, you know, when I went in, I started like it was six months even before I saw his profile. And then I had responded, he just said hi, one word. And he used to hate that when guys do it on the on the dating thing. So I said hi back and I let it go. Then he came back and asked me a question, but didn't respond for like two or three weeks. And then when we started interacting again, is when we got, you know, we finally interacted like on a Monday, and then on Thursday we were meeting each other. But I used to weed them all out because there's so many. They don't look like, you know, they they don't speak like you would think they would look like, and the character that they had on their profile didn't match up. It was just a puzzle that you had to put together, so you have to be super picky and super, super attuned to what it is that you want.

SPEAKER_01:

So, did you try different websites before you came across a website that you liked, or did you oh yes.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, I had tried a lot of them that you pay for, a lot of them that want to match you up. I read about the ones that give you harmony, you know, and I went on that one that you have to pay for, and that one didn't work. So I said, okay, I'm gonna try and just go for what's there or not, because I was thinking, okay, well, if you could afford to pay for your membership, then maybe you know there's something in there. But that had nothing to do with it. The type of guy that is gonna be on there, whether they pay for it or not, they're gonna send you a dick pic whether they pay a hundred dollars a month or not. So they're like children, and the first thing you say, hey, how are you? and they're sending you a dick pic. It's like, oh my god, what makes you think that I want to come with you in the middle of the night?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, in the middle of the night.

SPEAKER_00:

No, none of that.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I'm just curious about that. I have a cousin, she met her husband on Black People Meet. They met each other and started talking and found out that they originally where they both were originally from, they were maybe like 30 minutes from each other. Their families were from each other. So when they come to visit for the holidays and everything, they're able to go see both their parents because it's like the families knew each other, but they didn't know each other. Wow, that's interesting. And they met on black people meet, and they ended up getting me. And like I said, they were from close to each other, and I think they're on like their third child now. Wow.

SPEAKER_03:

See, it's how long ago, how long ago?

SPEAKER_01:

Um, their oldest child, I would say, is maybe five now.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, yeah, because uh the first like chat was Yahoo chat, you know, that was back in the early 2000s. Then you know what I'm saying. You could, but then you got different ones, and I didn't do any of that.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, well, I was very curious about that, and I wanted to add that in. So with COVID, I would say restricting a lot of people, especially I would even consider books as books as a part of entertainment. I would say in the whole entertainment world, considering books, music, live performances, sports, everything, how have you used technology to help combat some of the barriers to COVID right now?

SPEAKER_03:

Go with that. Yeah, with my large um uh Facebook base, um Instagram with the Wanderers Enduring Love Instagram and Twitter, you know, with a social media, period, you know, and I got a lot of friends, a lot of family from everywhere, all over the world. I met throughout the years, just totally supporting me, you know, with the book. And, you know, they tell several people, then they sell several people, you know what I'm saying? I it's just been my personality all my life, you know what I'm saying. That I acquired a lot of friendships along the way that people support me, but with and with the social media, be able to put it out there and everything. Of course, with this interview, you know what I'm saying? Hopefully, it'll be able to get out there even more, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

We're trying to do a lot of things what used to be in the beginning. I mean, you could think of us standing on a soapbox hawking the book, you know, hey, come read, you know, come read the book, come read the book. Where, you know, a lot of people have, you know, pre pre-corona, people are like packing in, packing in to bookstores and you know, and arenas and everything. Now we're not able to do that. So we really do have to rely on social media and you know, maybe a letter writing campaign or something like that, and especially word of mouth.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so what is the name of the book?

SPEAKER_03:

It's uh the wanderer's enduring love.

SPEAKER_00:

There it is, and it's wanderer's enduring love because in the story, our ancestors were actually kidnapped and taken into the slave trade, and the ship is called The Wanderer, and the last voyage of the the next to the last uh sh uh um voyage was to Georgia, where he's from.

SPEAKER_03:

And that's how my family got to Georgia. Well, based on the Atlantic slave trade back in the 1800s, uh, the wanderer was the last second to the last documented slave ship that docked in Georgia, Jekyll Island. That's how my family got to Georgia.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_00:

So we did a lot of research, you know, to find out, you know, the wanderers, be like, oh wow, it was the you know, in the slave trade. So let's use that. No, it was an actual ship. Oh yeah, yeah, look at that. The wanderer is an actual ship, it was a slave ship.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it was it was used for several reasons. It started out just like uh like a cruise ship, cruise ship, you know what I'm saying? Then uh they used it to sneak slaves from uh Africa to here. Uh then they used it for the naval took it over for a little while, then they went back, the merchants took it over, and it sunk like near Cuba. If you look up The Wanderer uh on uh the internet, it'll tell you everything about the slave ship. It's it's a great story, though.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so how long did it take y'all to finish this project from beginning to end?

SPEAKER_00:

When did we start it? I think we started it in 20, yeah, 2019, early in 2019.

SPEAKER_03:

And uh here and there, but then uh during the COVID, she was laid off.

SPEAKER_00:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_03:

And so that really kind of like pushed everything. We we was able to focus on it every evening, during the day, every weekend. We just really, you know, pushing it.

SPEAKER_00:

Really pushing it through. So by by the end of August, we were done with it.

SPEAKER_03:

So it took us probably a year, a year, you know, off and on a year.

SPEAKER_01:

And certainly, would you say that COVID was a blessing? Because I know with me, I felt like when COVID hit and everybody was sitting at home. I mean, I still had to work, I was working from home, but everybody had to sit at home. I was like, you know, really, I can do whatever I want to do, and I'm gonna try this, I'm gonna try this, and I'm gonna try this, do this. And people were like, We got all these bitches going on. Why? Because I want to and because I can. Right.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, to us, it was a blessing in disguise. And we got COVID. Yeah, we got COVID together.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, after our bout of um, he his only lasted for about three days. My COVID lasted. For a full 12 days. And nine of those days, I was weak and in bed with 102 fever.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh. Yeah. So during those times, I mean, I don't know how everybody takes sickness, but I'd be like, oh Lord, I don't want to be sick no more. Just please go on and take me, Lord. I'd be like this. So I mean, we had sick of a few times to do mental conceptions on it, or even though you were weak and you were tired, were you constantly still thinking about I could put this in the book? I need to do this to the book. Or we gotta finish with the book.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, but I think, yeah, for that time for that time, we were more than than almost a four, almost all done with the book. Thank God. So we were just working on, you know, tying up any loose ends because when the when COVID got us, I know I couldn't do anything, I couldn't even get up and go to the bathroom. So much less think about what my characters were doing in the book.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So your main character, I want you to give me a description of your main character's personality.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, the main character, uh, because the book, the the way that it flows, it goes back and forth from Cameroon to current day. Cameroon to current day. So in Cameroon, you have um my my Lusamba, and she is a young Cameroonian girl who you know is anxious and full of life. She's she's a strong-willed woman, and you know, she she knows the direction that her life is going in. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

And then uh I think when I was talking to you earlier, I was asking, I was telling him that um I don't like to know the um the colors of the characters, right? So do in this book, are you leaving the description? I mean, you guiding guiding the description, but leaving the description up to the reader. I mean, so exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, because I'm in in the descriptions, we don't talk about her having or bronze skin or dark, or we let the reader understand where it's from. If we're saying, oh, the like the redness and the fullness of her lips, that would probably be the extent of it, but we're not really categorizing it because the best thing about reading a book is that you could take it into your own imagination and draw your own image and let her be what you want her to be. Um, as far as a description of her, I would just say that she is someone who is strong-willed. You know, I'll use those kinds of descriptions where it's not physicality, it's more describing who she is. You know that she's in Cameroon, so you know that she's not gonna be Anglo-Saxon, she's Cameroonian. Now, what your idea of that is gonna be is up to you and your imagination. Right. But she's this strong person who finds herself in this inner struggle because the love of her life has been taken away brutally. At first, she doesn't know what's happened, but when she realized what's going on, you know, she mourns for a while and then decides to, you know, to live her life. You know, this is what he would have wanted. And just as she's beginning to live her life again, she's found another man in her life. His name is Elias, who's come into her life and really nurtured her and really understands and has let her grieve, you know, and they formed a bond, they form a family. But what happens, then the both of them are kidnapped again and taken into the slave trade. She manages to escape because he urges her, no, this cannot be a life for you. You go. So she escapes, and he's taking off, he's taken uh into the ship and sold as a slave in Puerto Rico.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, you know, sounds like a romance, it's a thriller, it's a I mean, it's a lot of into one sound pretty good to me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, the modern day portion of it passionate about it. Yes, the modern portion of it is how he and I met, our interactions on the internet, how we came. It talks a little bit about his life in Atlanta, it talks about my life in Puerto Rico, it talks about my life in California, and and we develop our characters, you know, to get to build a bridge from Lusamba in Cameroon to now in the present time. So he drew a little bit on his childhood, you know, he he likes to make himself engaging. So in the book, you'll see him develop a little from a young boy into the mature person he is, and what made him, you know, go into that computer and you know, swipe on me.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, so tell me this. Out of all the professions that you have done, where would writing rank for you?

SPEAKER_03:

I mean, yeah, we discussed this the other day. I don't know if it had hit me, hit me yet, you know what I'm saying? The book being on the shelf. You you're able to go into Barnes and Nobles or you click online and buy it, and people like, you know, really loving the story. Uh I've been so much in my life. I've did a lot of accomplishments. I own I own several companies that, you know, some more successful than others, but I've never been that fearful of just uh venturing out there and uh and making it happen. But um I mean the author is is getting there, it's getting to the you know, top of the list of you know, things doing then it's bringing out more because we we having more projects to you know to come behind it with the sequel of The Wonders plus another uh we we act in the act of doing a children's book, you know what I'm saying? Based on my own organization as a kid and always losing my shoes and mama going off on me, losing my jacket, you losing my backpack, so I like you know what? I'm sure a lot of kids deal with these kind of issues every day. No, it wasn't just me, so but hopefully we'll be able to help kids.

SPEAKER_00:

So this is the start of something, but yeah, so yeah. But what she wants to know, how does this rank?

SPEAKER_03:

How does it know what I'm saying? It's up there, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

To me, it's something it's something that I think that when when it's done right and it's executed right, I mean it's a meaningful job just like any other. And there are a lot of people, you know, a lot of people say, Wow, you wrote a book. And you know, I I like that, and I like that that a lot of people, you know, are not so much astounded, but they're like, wow, you did it. And what I want to tell people is you too can do it. The only thing that keeps a lot of people back is writing is very personal. And to put yourself out there, a lot of people don't want to have people examine them and and get a window into who they really are. Be that good or be it bad. But you know, a lot of us don't want to go that deep. To me, you know, I am who I am, so you know, if that comes off as a good person or if it comes off of a bad person, it's still a character, you know, and it's something that I think is engaging, and someone might be drawn to it for whatever reason. But I like to think that I'm a good person bringing it out.

SPEAKER_02:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So, which direction do y'all think that y'all would be going more towards? Would it be more towards writing um I would say thrillers or the children's books?

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's gonna be a combination of a little bit of everything. Whatever um pops in our head, we're not gonna probably um categorize us in a just one category.

SPEAKER_00:

Because I don't think that'll be too much of a thriller, but kind of like more modern day. Um, because thriller would be, you know, I I don't like to be scared at all. You know, he can sit down and watch the ID channel all the time. Not horror. Oh, well, thriller, you know, that if it's something like I watch movies that are thrillers, and I'm like, oh my God, what's gonna happen next? And what happens? And I'm the type of person that I'm always thinking of the next step. Well, what's gonna happen? It's like she got kidnapped. Oh my god, what's gonna happen? What are the people thinking? You know, what is her mom gonna say? Who's gonna find her? You know, and to me that's very stressful. So I want a book where you could read and not be stressed out. I know I'd be stressed out every moment. So I have to write something that's a little bit more relaxing.

SPEAKER_01:

I stay up all night long to read a book. I start reading a book, and I'm like, oh my God, oh my God. And I just keep reading and keep reading and keep reading. And it's like when I was younger, I used to like read like a lot of uh romance, Harlequin romance. Me too all night long reading this book when you know he's gonna marry her.

SPEAKER_00:

Yep, I'm gonna be satisfied until I read the last page.

SPEAKER_01:

That's what I like those cliffhangers. I don't like I can't figure out the ending. I have to read until the last page so I can know what's gonna happen because I have read books and get right down to the last chapter and then end totally different than what I think. And I'm like, what in the world? Yeah, one of the authors that really does that that I like to read is Mary B. Morrison. I never figure out her books.

SPEAKER_03:

Um actually, I had a situation like that yesterday. One of the guys uh from my corporate came down to do uh some more uh business with us, and I told him a book. He actually didn't know I wrote a book, so he opened it up at the last minute on the way out reading it. He he said, Man, let me tell you about this part. So he talked to the other guy reading the part. He said, Hey, you want to hear this other part? And then he kept on reading it because it was about me and he knew about me because we worked in Atlanta together. And he couldn't put it in. He said, Man, wait, I can't wait to get home. He he had to travel back to Tulsa, Oklahoma to go back home.

SPEAKER_01:

But he's he couldn't have to start writing on the alias name if you're gonna be writing about yourself.

SPEAKER_03:

I I I did kind of uh somewhere. I mean, yeah, yeah. Once I go, once I do my biography, it's gonna be alias for real.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, I appreciate y'all for coming. I want you to tell everybody the name of the book again, uh, when it came out, where they can get it at, your next projects, and how to find you on social media.

SPEAKER_03:

All right, so it's actually The Wonders Enduring Love. And uh you can find it at uh Amazon.com, ebook, uh you can find it in Barnes and Nobles online or in the stores now.

SPEAKER_00:

Um The Wanderers Enduring Love at Instagram, is it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, Instagram, uh, and then uh Twitter, Wanders Enduring, Twitter, and then The Wanderers Enduring Love. The Wanderers Enduring Love and Facebook, The Wanderers Enduring Love.

SPEAKER_01:

All right. Is there anything else that you would want to add?

SPEAKER_00:

Uh we fell in love with the characters, of course, and we're sure that someone is gonna find them relatable in some way, whether it's someone that's looking for love in the internet or finding out who they are through ancestry, where there's something in there that's gonna pique their interest.

SPEAKER_03:

And if any opportunities out there for someone who wants to write a screenplay uh about the book, reach out to us through uh Facebook or Instagram or any of the platforms, and we'll definitely be glad to work with you and uh put this out here on the plane.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, well, I appreciate y'all for coming.

SPEAKER_03:

Thank you for having us.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you. And don't forget to subscribe to the podcast and the video channel, and we will see you next time. Bye. Bye bye.