1 00:00:03,024 --> 00:00:06,049 Speaker 2: This is the Rebel HR podcast, the podcast about all 2 00:00:06,149 --> 00:00:08,151 things innovation in the people's space. 3 00:00:08,151 --> 00:00:09,614 I'm Kyle Rode. 4 00:00:09,614 --> 00:00:10,595 Let's start the show. 5 00:00:10,595 --> 00:00:17,182 All right, welcome back Rebel HR community. 6 00:00:17,182 --> 00:00:19,326 We are going to have a fun conversation today. 7 00:00:19,326 --> 00:00:21,248 With us we have Pam Buchanan. 8 00:00:21,248 --> 00:00:24,612 She is the founder of Quantum Sense, and we are going to be 9 00:00:24,632 --> 00:00:27,376 talking about soul health today. 10 00:00:27,376 --> 00:00:28,745 Pam, welcome to the podcast. 11 00:00:29,339 --> 00:00:30,422 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Kyle. 12 00:00:30,422 --> 00:00:33,850 I look forward to reaching out to your audience and discussing 13 00:00:33,930 --> 00:00:34,472 soul health. 14 00:00:35,441 --> 00:00:37,106 Speaker 2: Well, likewise, I'm really excited for the 15 00:00:37,146 --> 00:00:38,170 conversation today. 16 00:00:38,170 --> 00:00:41,585 I get quite a few guest pitches and this one was really, really 17 00:00:41,585 --> 00:00:46,115 intriguing for me because it's a different way to think about 18 00:00:46,335 --> 00:00:49,781 employee health and well-being, and I think it's a really 19 00:00:49,822 --> 00:00:55,112 important topic that we all kind of stay away from in the world 20 00:00:55,152 --> 00:00:58,545 of human resources, but I do think that it's an important 21 00:00:58,585 --> 00:01:01,773 thing to discuss openly, and that's what the podcast is all 22 00:01:01,813 --> 00:01:02,033 about. 23 00:01:02,033 --> 00:01:03,363 So thanks for joining us today. 24 00:01:04,466 --> 00:01:05,450 Speaker 1: Great, wonderful. 25 00:01:06,519 --> 00:01:06,781 Speaker 2: All right. 26 00:01:06,781 --> 00:01:07,462 So you know. 27 00:01:07,462 --> 00:01:13,930 My first question for you as a founder is is what motivated you 28 00:01:13,930 --> 00:01:18,896 to found an organization that focuses on soul health? 29 00:01:20,320 --> 00:01:23,727 Speaker 1: You know I was in corporate America for 40 years. 30 00:01:23,727 --> 00:01:27,561 That seems like a long time even when I say it so you know I 31 00:01:27,561 --> 00:01:29,944 had an amazing career in. 32 00:01:29,944 --> 00:01:34,411 You know asset management and fintech and working with 33 00:01:34,471 --> 00:01:35,091 companies. 34 00:01:35,091 --> 00:01:39,664 You know in all sectors of the market, so I feel I got a really 35 00:01:39,664 --> 00:01:41,287 good handle on. 36 00:01:41,287 --> 00:01:43,171 You know how corporations are run. 37 00:01:43,171 --> 00:01:49,025 Especially, you know I was with NASDAQ for 15 years and I got 38 00:01:49,064 --> 00:01:52,234 to work with startup companies, so they're molding. 39 00:01:52,234 --> 00:01:55,504 You know their culture, and that was fascinating to see as 40 00:01:55,584 --> 00:01:58,790 well, and it was focused really on. 41 00:01:59,031 --> 00:02:02,103 You know your physical health, and you know that's important, 42 00:02:02,265 --> 00:02:02,525 right? 43 00:02:02,525 --> 00:02:05,600 You know being physically healthy is very important. 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:10,730 You know companies offer gym memberships or encourage people 45 00:02:10,830 --> 00:02:15,467 to take time to take care of their body, and then, of course, 46 00:02:15,467 --> 00:02:18,372 you know just recently, we've had mental health. 47 00:02:18,372 --> 00:02:21,586 You know insurance companies are covering mental health. 48 00:02:21,586 --> 00:02:24,722 There's more talk about mental health and how it affects your 49 00:02:24,762 --> 00:02:28,109 performance, and that's important as well, but what is 50 00:02:28,149 --> 00:02:31,044 the third leg of the stool that's missing is soul health, 51 00:02:31,504 --> 00:02:36,397 because we all hear the phrase mind, body and soul, so we're 52 00:02:36,438 --> 00:02:40,150 not talking about that, though, and your soul is a part of your 53 00:02:40,210 --> 00:02:44,062 being, just like your physical body obviously is a part of your 54 00:02:44,062 --> 00:02:44,403 being. 55 00:02:44,403 --> 00:02:49,164 Your mental body is a part of your physical being, but your 56 00:02:49,205 --> 00:02:52,110 soul is too, and so let's go deep. 57 00:02:52,110 --> 00:02:55,503 It's really talking about a deeper aspect of yourself. 58 00:02:55,503 --> 00:02:57,588 And do you know yourself? 59 00:02:57,588 --> 00:03:01,323 You know how do you know yourself, how are you motivated? 60 00:03:01,323 --> 00:03:04,229 You know how do you show up in the world, and I think that 61 00:03:04,289 --> 00:03:05,832 really goes to soul health. 62 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,164 So I want to take the audience into a broader definition of 63 00:03:10,265 --> 00:03:14,189 soul, just other than the ways we've been talking about it in 64 00:03:14,210 --> 00:03:17,955 the past, which, again, I think people relate to the soul and 65 00:03:18,014 --> 00:03:18,836 think religion. 66 00:03:18,836 --> 00:03:21,521 It's not about religion, not about religion. 67 00:03:21,521 --> 00:03:21,923 You know. 68 00:03:21,923 --> 00:03:28,270 Yes, religion may play a part in your practice of going deep 69 00:03:28,430 --> 00:03:36,879 into your being and who you are, but your soul is yours, and 70 00:03:36,900 --> 00:03:37,861 let's get to know it at a deeper level. 71 00:03:37,861 --> 00:03:41,811 And I feel I can talk about this because I was born an 72 00:03:41,890 --> 00:03:46,829 identical twin, so I came into this world, if you will, I have 73 00:03:46,889 --> 00:03:50,665 someone that has the same genetic makeup as myself. 74 00:03:50,665 --> 00:03:52,950 Right, physically we look alike . 75 00:03:52,950 --> 00:03:56,447 Mentally I'd say we're pretty much alike, but what 76 00:03:56,526 --> 00:04:00,000 differentiates us is our soul and how we show up in the world 77 00:04:00,861 --> 00:04:02,564 and where our paths have taken us. 78 00:04:02,564 --> 00:04:06,973 So I am an individual, and what makes me an individual is my 79 00:04:07,033 --> 00:04:07,274 soul. 80 00:04:10,181 --> 00:04:10,420 Speaker 2: Yeah. 81 00:04:10,420 --> 00:04:16,483 So I think, yeah, certainly, a lot of times the connotation 82 00:04:16,504 --> 00:04:20,367 with soul is religion, right, or specifically organized religion 83 00:04:20,367 --> 00:04:20,367 . 84 00:04:20,367 --> 00:04:24,300 And so a lot of us, certainly in corporate America, it's 85 00:04:24,341 --> 00:04:27,646 almost like don't say it, don't speak it, you know, like, like 86 00:04:28,910 --> 00:04:32,244 and and it's, it's, it's risky. 87 00:04:32,244 --> 00:04:36,117 But I do think, especially lately, we've talked a lot about 88 00:04:36,117 --> 00:04:39,064 you know, we've talked a lot about mental health and getting 89 00:04:39,103 --> 00:04:41,507 your head right and, and you know, kind of being in the right 90 00:04:41,507 --> 00:04:45,014 mindset and being, you know, and being your own authentic 91 00:04:45,254 --> 00:04:45,595 self. 92 00:04:45,595 --> 00:04:51,185 And so what I'm hearing, what I'm hearing you say, is is that 93 00:04:52,067 --> 00:04:56,271 that, in order to truly kind of support our employees in this 94 00:04:56,732 --> 00:05:01,117 aspect of of what we need them to do, we have to focus on soul 95 00:05:01,156 --> 00:05:01,336 health? 96 00:05:01,336 --> 00:05:03,326 Am I kind of in the right path here? 97 00:05:03,387 --> 00:05:06,922 Speaker 1: Yeah, no absolutely to focus on soul health. 98 00:05:06,922 --> 00:05:07,884 Am I kind of in the right path here? 99 00:05:07,884 --> 00:05:08,345 Yeah, no, absolutely. 100 00:05:08,345 --> 00:05:09,547 You know to take your organization to that next level. 101 00:05:09,547 --> 00:05:12,293 If you read news articles, it says employees continue to be 102 00:05:12,379 --> 00:05:12,800 unhappy. 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:20,112 So you know what is missing if the company, the employer, is 104 00:05:20,192 --> 00:05:22,661 giving all of these resources. 105 00:05:22,661 --> 00:05:26,910 I mean, never before have I seen so many resources being 106 00:05:26,949 --> 00:05:31,567 devoted to employees and yet something's still missing. 107 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:36,675 So here you are as an HR professional. 108 00:05:36,675 --> 00:05:39,865 You know providing, whether it's educational services, 109 00:05:39,985 --> 00:05:41,168 programs on different. 110 00:05:41,168 --> 00:05:44,124 You know nutrition and you know , just as you said your mindset, 111 00:05:44,124 --> 00:05:46,975 how to you know nutrition and you know, just as you said your 112 00:05:47,016 --> 00:05:52,148 mindset, how to you know become more positive and engage. 113 00:05:52,148 --> 00:05:56,581 And I think the way to talk about that is through soul 114 00:05:56,601 --> 00:05:56,923 health. 115 00:05:56,923 --> 00:06:03,512 And you know it is a term that you know can be looked at as 116 00:06:03,834 --> 00:06:04,053 okay. 117 00:06:04,053 --> 00:06:08,261 We need to steer away from this term in corporate America, but 118 00:06:08,422 --> 00:06:10,968 I feel if you're broaching mental health, which is a 119 00:06:11,007 --> 00:06:16,065 sensitive subject as well, you should be able to broach soul 120 00:06:16,105 --> 00:06:18,632 health, because that is the essence of a person. 121 00:06:18,632 --> 00:06:22,331 So who is that person that you've employed? 122 00:06:22,331 --> 00:06:26,375 Yes, you want a certain role out of them. 123 00:06:26,375 --> 00:06:30,867 They're hired to do a certain job, but productivity is 124 00:06:30,927 --> 00:06:35,000 directly tied to you, know well your physical, mental and your 125 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:35,362 soul. 126 00:06:36,264 --> 00:06:39,990 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know I think it's interesting 127 00:06:40,091 --> 00:06:45,608 and and so I've been I've been doing this, this HR thing, for 128 00:06:45,689 --> 00:06:46,771 roughly 20 years now. 129 00:06:46,771 --> 00:06:49,327 It's interesting to see what has shifted over the last two 130 00:06:49,367 --> 00:06:49,850 decades. 131 00:06:49,850 --> 00:06:55,290 You know, it started off as, like wellness, like biggest 132 00:06:55,329 --> 00:07:04,608 loser contests, right, like who can lose the most weight, yeah, 133 00:07:04,687 --> 00:07:07,651 and then in recent history, it's been talking about mental 134 00:07:07,711 --> 00:07:11,336 health a little bit more openly, which I think is good. 135 00:07:11,336 --> 00:07:17,072 But the truth is, people are still unhealthy in many aspects 136 00:07:17,091 --> 00:07:17,572 of their life. 137 00:07:17,779 --> 00:07:22,081 Many people are still miserable at work, and my argument is so, 138 00:07:22,101 --> 00:07:23,327 quite frankly, my argument on a lot of these wellness programs 139 00:07:23,348 --> 00:07:24,512 is they don't really work, and my argument is, you know, so, 140 00:07:24,533 --> 00:07:26,521 quite frankly, like, my argument on a lot of these like wellness 141 00:07:26,521 --> 00:07:30,209 programs is they don't really work, like they're not really 142 00:07:30,290 --> 00:07:34,646 working, like there's there's something missing and and I feel 143 00:07:34,646 --> 00:07:38,721 like you know it, many of them are very hollow and very like, 144 00:07:38,822 --> 00:07:41,428 almost like, like, like corporate-y right, like it's 145 00:07:41,468 --> 00:07:43,286 like this isn't really incentivizing people to to be 146 00:07:43,326 --> 00:07:43,466 healthy. 147 00:07:43,466 --> 00:07:44,836 It's it's, it's like this isn't really incentivizing people to 148 00:07:44,857 --> 00:07:45,199 be healthy. 149 00:07:45,199 --> 00:07:50,031 It's almost like you just need something to check the box to 150 00:07:50,071 --> 00:07:52,862 say you have a wellness program, but I'm still honestly waiting 151 00:07:52,922 --> 00:07:58,447 for a program that wows me and says, hey, this actually helps 152 00:07:58,468 --> 00:08:03,372 your employees feel better, work more productively, feel like 153 00:08:04,194 --> 00:08:06,576 whole human beings and make better connections and 154 00:08:06,620 --> 00:08:07,985 relationships with people they work with. 155 00:08:07,985 --> 00:08:11,120 I have yet to find that program , so help me understand. 156 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:12,946 How does this fit into that? 157 00:08:12,966 --> 00:08:15,601 Speaker 1: Hopefully it will be the program Perfect. 158 00:08:15,601 --> 00:08:17,064 I start with the senses. 159 00:08:17,064 --> 00:08:20,790 That's why I name my company Quantum Sense. 160 00:08:20,790 --> 00:08:27,257 We all have our five senses, but again, how we interact and 161 00:08:27,297 --> 00:08:28,742 what are the five senses doing? 162 00:08:28,742 --> 00:08:32,092 They're helping us interact with the outside environment. 163 00:08:32,092 --> 00:08:36,842 So I call it let's go outside in, let's not go inside out, 164 00:08:36,903 --> 00:08:38,085 let's go outside in. 165 00:08:38,085 --> 00:08:43,451 So let's sit back and view our environments that we put 166 00:08:43,511 --> 00:08:44,131 ourselves in. 167 00:08:44,131 --> 00:08:45,394 Are they healthy? 168 00:08:45,394 --> 00:08:48,903 And what does that look like for you? 169 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:54,169 And so, if we drill down to, okay, visually, what are we 170 00:08:54,230 --> 00:08:54,591 seeing? 171 00:08:54,591 --> 00:08:58,802 What is the room and the smell of the room? 172 00:08:58,802 --> 00:09:00,325 What are the noises that we're hearing? 173 00:09:00,325 --> 00:09:04,831 What are the noises that we're hearing, you know, what are the 174 00:09:04,913 --> 00:09:06,294 fabrics that we're touching? 175 00:09:06,294 --> 00:09:11,309 So that goes from not only the work environment but to the home 176 00:09:11,309 --> 00:09:11,850 environment. 177 00:09:11,932 --> 00:09:16,527 How do you leave your house or stay in your house to interact 178 00:09:16,847 --> 00:09:18,610 with your colleagues at work? 179 00:09:18,610 --> 00:09:20,861 Are you showing up with intent? 180 00:09:20,861 --> 00:09:26,138 You know intent being, you know how do I want to show up today? 181 00:09:26,138 --> 00:09:31,388 And asking yourself that, how do I want to show up today with 182 00:09:31,467 --> 00:09:34,754 my deepest, authentic, soul-based self? 183 00:09:34,754 --> 00:09:40,009 And if you ask yourself that question, you're like okay, 184 00:09:40,068 --> 00:09:40,951 where do I begin? 185 00:09:40,951 --> 00:09:42,173 Okay, here I am. 186 00:09:42,173 --> 00:09:46,410 You know I've been, you know, employed at this job for years, 187 00:09:46,841 --> 00:09:48,303 you know what more can I bring? 188 00:09:48,303 --> 00:09:49,426 I'm burnt out. 189 00:09:49,826 --> 00:09:54,501 Well, let's take a step back and it almost puts you in a relaxed 190 00:09:54,501 --> 00:10:01,533 mode or a receptive mode to start taking in your environment 191 00:10:01,533 --> 00:10:11,922 through your senses, your environment through your senses. 192 00:10:11,922 --> 00:10:14,985 So it's as simple as that, right, like you and I, let's say 193 00:10:14,985 --> 00:10:18,611 music is different for everyone , like what we hear and what 194 00:10:18,991 --> 00:10:22,702 brings us up, what you know brings back memories. 195 00:10:22,702 --> 00:10:27,312 But let's start talking about it and getting to know that 196 00:10:27,399 --> 00:10:28,000 individual. 197 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:33,092 It's a simple, non-threatening way, right, to learn about your 198 00:10:33,113 --> 00:10:33,673 employees. 199 00:10:33,673 --> 00:10:35,682 What music do you like? 200 00:10:35,682 --> 00:10:37,947 What colors do you like? 201 00:10:37,947 --> 00:10:40,432 You know, what smells do you like? 202 00:10:40,432 --> 00:10:44,889 And then let's start infusing that into the environment, 203 00:10:45,028 --> 00:10:51,505 because it really, as nikola tesla said, everything is energy 204 00:10:51,505 --> 00:10:55,373 and that's all that matters is our energetic being, because 205 00:10:55,413 --> 00:10:56,681 that's what the senses are. 206 00:10:56,681 --> 00:11:01,567 They're engaging our nervous system, right, and our energetic 207 00:11:01,567 --> 00:11:09,561 vibrations to bring this person to its fullest being so. 208 00:11:09,561 --> 00:11:12,889 And we got to start getting out of survival mode and put 209 00:11:12,928 --> 00:11:14,552 ourselves into thrive mode. 210 00:11:14,552 --> 00:11:16,586 And how do we do that? 211 00:11:16,586 --> 00:11:18,807 We ground ourselves first. 212 00:11:18,807 --> 00:11:24,607 So my program starts with ground, elevate, evolve. 213 00:11:24,607 --> 00:11:29,595 So let's ground ourselves into our five senses. 214 00:11:34,820 --> 00:11:37,244 Let's start talking about the five senses and how we engage in 215 00:11:37,244 --> 00:11:38,745 our environments, how we put our environments together. 216 00:11:38,745 --> 00:11:41,510 So I consult a lot on you know what does the work environment 217 00:11:41,551 --> 00:11:41,990 look like? 218 00:11:41,990 --> 00:11:48,402 And now more and more companies are coming to their senses and 219 00:11:48,461 --> 00:11:55,712 bringing in smells and bringing in music that has been shown 220 00:11:55,793 --> 00:12:00,183 scientifically to enhance the overall well-being of people. 221 00:12:00,183 --> 00:12:06,553 So it's almost like an invisible program, if you will 222 00:12:06,794 --> 00:12:07,034 right. 223 00:12:07,034 --> 00:12:09,928 It doesn't even need to be talked about. 224 00:12:09,928 --> 00:12:17,572 It's an invisible way to help your employees thrive if you set 225 00:12:17,572 --> 00:12:21,697 up an environment that is supportive for them. 226 00:12:21,697 --> 00:12:30,679 And so it starts with how many of your employees are grounded, 227 00:12:32,523 --> 00:12:36,470 and I would beg to venture not a lot are, because we all are 228 00:12:36,529 --> 00:12:39,434 running the hamster wheel, right , just go. 229 00:12:39,434 --> 00:12:44,624 But have you asked your employees just to sit back, 230 00:12:44,644 --> 00:12:45,423 employees just to sit back? 231 00:12:45,423 --> 00:12:49,028 And and again, it's so individual that then the 232 00:12:49,087 --> 00:12:55,573 employee is thinking oh, they are interested in who I am by 233 00:12:55,594 --> 00:12:59,456 tapping into the five senses, and we all have them. 234 00:13:06,782 --> 00:13:08,384 Speaker 2: And it's what individuates us, which equates 235 00:13:08,403 --> 00:13:08,804 to your soul health. 236 00:13:08,804 --> 00:13:09,645 I love that and I think so. 237 00:13:09,645 --> 00:13:12,109 I'm a musician, so like you start talking about music, Like 238 00:13:12,149 --> 00:13:15,712 I think that, and I think many of us could, whether you're, you 239 00:13:15,712 --> 00:13:23,527 know we have, you know, a hobby of you know arts or sports or 240 00:13:23,547 --> 00:13:24,918 something like that Like there's something that for some reason, 241 00:13:24,918 --> 00:13:29,605 you know it, resonates with us as people and you know it's 242 00:13:29,686 --> 00:13:32,826 funny to me, Like when people find out that I'm a musician, 243 00:13:33,366 --> 00:13:38,048 the entire interaction changes, but by nothing more than them 244 00:13:38,207 --> 00:13:41,922 realizing oh, this is a whole person, Right, this isn't like a 245 00:13:41,922 --> 00:13:44,488 soulless person that just sends a lot of corporate emails all 246 00:13:44,508 --> 00:13:44,788 day long. 247 00:13:44,788 --> 00:13:45,991 Yeah, Right. 248 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,879 Speaker 1: Well, and a good way to put it, let's get real right. 249 00:13:49,899 --> 00:13:49,980 Speaker 2: Yeah. 250 00:13:50,019 --> 00:13:53,229 Speaker 1: Like those, wellness programs aren't succeeding 251 00:13:53,288 --> 00:13:56,437 because you're not getting to the depth of the human. 252 00:13:57,159 --> 00:13:57,259 Speaker 2: Right. 253 00:13:58,140 --> 00:14:01,004 Speaker 1: And it doesn't have to be scary, off-topic. 254 00:14:01,004 --> 00:14:07,172 You know subjects that we've been told we, you know, 255 00:14:07,251 --> 00:14:12,381 shouldn't broach, right, you're getting to know that human, just 256 00:14:12,381 --> 00:14:13,865 like you would, of course. 257 00:14:13,865 --> 00:14:18,634 Let's say that your employee had a heart attack. 258 00:14:18,634 --> 00:14:21,907 You would be concerned, you would call the hospital, you 259 00:14:21,947 --> 00:14:24,961 would reach out, talk about the health of that person. 260 00:14:24,961 --> 00:14:28,751 You know, we're comfortable with that. 261 00:14:28,751 --> 00:14:32,707 But we can also visualize that, right, we can visualize the 262 00:14:32,769 --> 00:14:33,269 hospital. 263 00:14:33,269 --> 00:14:37,566 We can visualize the heart, all the organs I call it organ 264 00:14:37,605 --> 00:14:37,907 health. 265 00:14:37,907 --> 00:14:40,251 Right, we can all talk about our organ health. 266 00:14:40,879 --> 00:14:44,325 Then mental health comes along and that's become mainstream, 267 00:14:44,706 --> 00:14:45,647 which is great. 268 00:14:45,647 --> 00:14:51,275 Right, because that puts more knowledge into the entire being. 269 00:14:51,275 --> 00:14:54,388 But that can kind of be on a sad note too. 270 00:14:54,388 --> 00:14:57,687 Typically right, like, oh, you're depressed, you're anxious 271 00:14:57,687 --> 00:14:57,687 . 272 00:14:57,687 --> 00:15:01,129 I mean, our whole society is anxious because we're moving so 273 00:15:01,250 --> 00:15:04,269 fast, technology is coming at us so fast. 274 00:15:04,269 --> 00:15:09,070 So why don't we start talking about it at the depth that we 275 00:15:09,149 --> 00:15:14,605 need to, which, again, is the soul and it is a part of your 276 00:15:14,666 --> 00:15:15,027 being. 277 00:15:15,027 --> 00:15:20,503 It's not, oh, I go to church or a synagogue and pray, right, 278 00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:22,932 that's not what I'm talking about. 279 00:15:22,932 --> 00:15:24,860 I'm not getting into that religious aspect. 280 00:15:24,860 --> 00:15:42,511 I'm not getting into that religious aspect. 281 00:15:42,511 --> 00:15:43,592 I'm getting into? 282 00:15:43,592 --> 00:15:49,898 What do your senses tell you that, how you know, help your 283 00:15:49,918 --> 00:15:54,361 employees reach the more productive and successful your 284 00:15:54,402 --> 00:15:54,982 company is. 285 00:15:54,982 --> 00:16:01,354 It's in a non-threatening way, I guess I should say. 286 00:16:02,299 --> 00:16:05,107 Speaker 2: Well, I like, I like what I, I like how you're 287 00:16:05,227 --> 00:16:08,323 describing it and I think it's one of those things where it's a 288 00:16:08,323 --> 00:16:12,692 great example of sometimes it's kind of hard to explain, right, 289 00:16:12,692 --> 00:16:27,871 you know, like somebody's energy that they bring, or you 290 00:16:27,892 --> 00:16:31,775 know a lot of HR professional, you know when someone's like 291 00:16:32,375 --> 00:16:35,221 operating at a higher level, right, like there's a level of 292 00:16:35,423 --> 00:16:40,393 energy that they bring, or frequency or whatever terms you 293 00:16:40,413 --> 00:16:43,264 want to use, but we don't necessarily have a great way to 294 00:16:43,325 --> 00:16:45,551 explain it right or describe it. 295 00:16:45,820 --> 00:16:47,090 Or you can't, like you can't, put your arms around it right or 296 00:16:47,090 --> 00:16:48,340 describe it, or you can't, like you can't put your arms around 297 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:55,274 it right, like you can't, you can't see that, but it 298 00:16:55,333 --> 00:16:59,081 definitely exists, right, and so I think that's where it gets. 299 00:16:59,081 --> 00:17:03,392 It gets a little bit, a little bit complicated, you know, and I 300 00:17:03,392 --> 00:17:08,502 and I, and so I'm curious as you've done this work and as 301 00:17:08,522 --> 00:17:14,087 you're helping kind of define some of this work or help 302 00:17:14,147 --> 00:17:16,809 organizations think differently about this, how are you helping 303 00:17:16,851 --> 00:17:21,114 them reframe this in a way that's explainable, describable 304 00:17:21,253 --> 00:17:24,696 like, accessible for people to understand how this? 305 00:17:24,717 --> 00:17:24,916 Speaker 1: works. 306 00:17:24,916 --> 00:17:28,157 Yeah, that's a great question and it is challenging. 307 00:17:28,157 --> 00:17:29,383 I'm not going to lie about that . 308 00:17:29,383 --> 00:17:30,567 It's very challenging. 309 00:17:30,567 --> 00:17:35,222 And you know, initially, you know people immediately, you 310 00:17:35,242 --> 00:17:38,210 know, shut the door and said, oh , that's religion, we don't. 311 00:17:38,210 --> 00:17:38,570 You know. 312 00:17:38,611 --> 00:17:40,961 Approach, that that's a personal topic. 313 00:17:40,961 --> 00:17:46,930 And then now, the more that I've talked about it as the 314 00:17:46,970 --> 00:17:52,023 world has continued to evolve, you hear the word soul a little 315 00:17:52,064 --> 00:17:53,628 bit more these days. 316 00:17:53,628 --> 00:17:55,522 People are getting comfortable. 317 00:17:55,522 --> 00:18:00,425 But especially when I say mind, body, soul, you have programs 318 00:18:00,506 --> 00:18:02,900 for your body, right. 319 00:18:02,900 --> 00:18:07,050 You have health programs that say, okay, let's get out and run 320 00:18:07,050 --> 00:18:07,531 the 5K. 321 00:18:07,531 --> 00:18:09,349 You have nutrition programs that say, okay, let's get out 322 00:18:09,410 --> 00:18:09,792 and run the 5K. 323 00:18:09,792 --> 00:18:10,479 You have nutrition consultants. 324 00:18:10,479 --> 00:18:15,092 Come in, you may have healthy snacks in your office place. 325 00:18:15,092 --> 00:18:20,930 That's the norm, and so that's talked about. 326 00:18:21,881 --> 00:18:28,711 But why can't we talk about the soul in a non-threatening or 327 00:18:29,032 --> 00:18:30,375 non-invasive way? 328 00:18:30,375 --> 00:18:38,030 So I think that finding the words is still challenging for 329 00:18:38,090 --> 00:18:40,855 me because I'm so deep into it. 330 00:18:40,855 --> 00:18:46,471 But when I say it's sense to soul or when I say it's at the 331 00:18:46,510 --> 00:18:52,266 quantum, we're going into this quantum era, right? 332 00:18:52,266 --> 00:18:54,711 We, we all hear the word quantum. 333 00:18:54,711 --> 00:18:56,721 We didn't hear that word three years ago. 334 00:18:56,721 --> 00:18:59,109 Now we hear it all the time. 335 00:18:59,109 --> 00:19:00,474 Let's get to the next level. 336 00:19:00,474 --> 00:19:01,157 What does that mean? 337 00:19:01,157 --> 00:19:02,701 It's just the next level. 338 00:19:02,701 --> 00:19:04,806 So are you innovating? 339 00:19:04,806 --> 00:19:06,830 It goes back to innovation also . 340 00:19:06,830 --> 00:19:08,374 Are you innovating? 341 00:19:08,374 --> 00:19:11,950 Are you encouraging creativity out of a person? 342 00:19:11,950 --> 00:19:15,829 So I think that's when you say you're a musician, I say oh wow, 343 00:19:15,829 --> 00:19:16,951 he's creative. 344 00:19:16,951 --> 00:19:22,569 You know, he's not just, as you said, a person sending emails 345 00:19:22,650 --> 00:19:23,492 behind a screen. 346 00:19:23,492 --> 00:19:25,365 He has creativity. 347 00:19:25,365 --> 00:19:26,721 So it goes into. 348 00:19:26,721 --> 00:19:31,006 Maybe we start talking about creativity yeah, that word. 349 00:19:31,006 --> 00:19:35,911 And so I have a program called Rad Curiosity, basically taking 350 00:19:36,291 --> 00:19:38,173 your curiosity to the next level . 351 00:19:38,173 --> 00:19:43,318 So I start with that a lot of times and say let's just talk 352 00:19:43,358 --> 00:19:44,380 about curiosity. 353 00:19:45,422 --> 00:19:45,582 Speaker 2: Yeah. 354 00:19:45,884 --> 00:19:54,615 Speaker 1: Let's get that, and everybody can Right right and 355 00:19:55,156 --> 00:19:56,239 relate to the senses. 356 00:19:56,239 --> 00:20:00,352 Now, a lot of times they say what can I learn more about the 357 00:20:00,392 --> 00:20:00,813 senses? 358 00:20:00,813 --> 00:20:05,068 Well, it goes deep, right into how our nervous systems interact 359 00:20:05,068 --> 00:20:07,173 with the environment around us. 360 00:20:07,173 --> 00:20:13,190 And now, you see, sound health is gaining momentum. 361 00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:18,138 There's businesses out there that are helping Parkinson's. 362 00:20:18,138 --> 00:20:22,134 You hear more and more about music that's played in hospital 363 00:20:22,655 --> 00:20:25,512 operating rooms, and again it goes down to the frequency. 364 00:20:25,512 --> 00:20:29,327 So I bring in some sound engineers as well and let's talk 365 00:20:29,327 --> 00:20:30,152 about frequency. 366 00:20:30,152 --> 00:20:31,726 Let's talk about the Hertz level. 367 00:20:31,726 --> 00:20:32,445 Let's talk about the Hertz level. 368 00:20:32,445 --> 00:20:38,048 So I try to make it science-based, so that you learn 369 00:20:38,048 --> 00:20:43,291 more about what's going on within your body as you are 370 00:20:44,113 --> 00:20:45,452 tapping into your soul. 371 00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:51,016 So let's make it science-based, let's base it on curiosity, and 372 00:20:51,016 --> 00:20:54,178 so I should probably name my company Science of the Soul, 373 00:20:54,317 --> 00:20:56,679 right, and let's learn more about that. 374 00:20:56,679 --> 00:21:01,862 And there is, you know, evidence-based science behind 375 00:21:01,902 --> 00:21:02,102 that. 376 00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:03,143 Speaker 2: Yeah. 377 00:21:03,143 --> 00:21:16,593 So I think you know let's not take'll just totally nerd out. 378 00:21:16,593 --> 00:21:18,634 We get into sound therapy. 379 00:21:18,634 --> 00:21:21,498 There are certain frequencies and as a musician you figure out 380 00:21:21,498 --> 00:21:35,385 there's 440 hertz and all these things that you tune to to a 381 00:21:35,405 --> 00:21:36,730 certain frequency, at the right volume and like in the right, 382 00:21:36,750 --> 00:21:37,953 like context of my body, and I can get like full body 383 00:21:37,973 --> 00:21:39,759 goosebumps and it's like okay, that tells me there's something 384 00:21:39,799 --> 00:21:42,855 to this right, like there's a reason that my body is reacting 385 00:21:42,896 --> 00:21:43,419 in this way. 386 00:21:43,419 --> 00:21:46,028 There's a reason that music exists in all cultures, 387 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:51,144 regardless of you know, there's no youtube, but there's, but 388 00:21:51,163 --> 00:21:53,615 there's culture and and there's very similar pitch, intonation 389 00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:53,936 and scales. 390 00:21:53,936 --> 00:21:55,063 There's, there's culture and there's very similar pitch, 391 00:21:55,083 --> 00:21:55,525 intonation and scales. 392 00:21:55,525 --> 00:21:59,513 There's minor differences, but there's similarities throughout 393 00:21:59,755 --> 00:22:05,815 all world music and that tells me this is bigger than just some 394 00:22:05,815 --> 00:22:07,939 small culture in the United States. 395 00:22:08,727 --> 00:22:12,346 Speaker 1: This is like a human experience, right, I've played 396 00:22:12,366 --> 00:22:17,698 folk over in Europe and are more embracing this type of program, 397 00:22:17,698 --> 00:22:26,009 so they're more open to learning more about curiosity, 398 00:22:26,130 --> 00:22:29,071 or I don't want to say soft skills, but even you know, as we 399 00:22:29,071 --> 00:22:33,494 speak, you know the World Economic Forum is going on right 400 00:22:33,494 --> 00:22:37,538 , so, and you know, deepak Chopra is over there and they 401 00:22:37,597 --> 00:22:42,300 have, you know, sessions on curiosity and what are the 402 00:22:42,361 --> 00:22:45,643 skills that are going to take us to the next millennium? 403 00:22:45,643 --> 00:22:50,256 And that, your soft skills, your human skills, what makes us 404 00:22:50,256 --> 00:22:50,616 human? 405 00:22:50,616 --> 00:22:53,767 Because, if you think about it, robots are being programmed 406 00:22:54,126 --> 00:22:55,607 their intellect right. 407 00:22:55,607 --> 00:22:56,608 They have intellect. 408 00:22:56,608 --> 00:22:59,150 They can process data faster than you and I. 409 00:22:59,150 --> 00:23:20,607 We've got to bring that out so that we can, you know, compete 410 00:23:20,627 --> 00:23:21,169 with others. 411 00:23:21,509 --> 00:23:22,692 Why do you hire people? 412 00:23:22,692 --> 00:23:26,547 You know Elon Musk is famous for saying I made a mistake. 413 00:23:26,547 --> 00:23:29,836 I hired people just for intellect, not how we get along. 414 00:23:29,836 --> 00:23:31,605 Yeah, you know. 415 00:23:31,605 --> 00:23:33,347 And so that's important. 416 00:23:33,347 --> 00:23:36,090 When you're building out a team , you know you could have 417 00:23:36,151 --> 00:23:37,011 several candidates. 418 00:23:37,011 --> 00:23:42,238 Maybe one has a higher IQ than this one over here, but this one 419 00:23:42,238 --> 00:23:55,105 over here brings the full package Right and can interact 420 00:23:55,125 --> 00:23:56,867 and maybe be more productive within a team, because we know 421 00:23:56,887 --> 00:23:58,269 that it takes a team to get the job done Every single time in 422 00:23:59,010 --> 00:24:00,231 our corporate role. 423 00:24:00,231 --> 00:24:03,455 We couldn't do it without the team behind us. 424 00:24:03,455 --> 00:24:05,919 We each play a critical role to that. 425 00:24:06,559 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 2: Right, you can't hear it right now, but there's 426 00:24:09,580 --> 00:24:13,222 applause on the other end of the podcast right now with HR 427 00:24:13,262 --> 00:24:16,163 professionals saying, yes, you can't just hire for intellect, 428 00:24:16,224 --> 00:24:17,529 you got to hire for the full package. 429 00:24:17,529 --> 00:24:20,271 Yeah, yeah, we've seen it go wrong too many times. 430 00:24:20,865 --> 00:24:23,173 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, and what do you need to bring into that 431 00:24:23,253 --> 00:24:23,493 right? 432 00:24:23,493 --> 00:24:25,051 What questions do you ask? 433 00:24:25,051 --> 00:24:27,634 What questions do you need to tell your hiring managers? 434 00:24:27,634 --> 00:24:29,913 You know, let's start looking at the whole person. 435 00:24:29,913 --> 00:24:34,107 You know, and you know, bring in you know, bring in you know 436 00:24:34,127 --> 00:24:37,352 myself to talk about soul health and why it is important and why 437 00:24:37,352 --> 00:24:40,734 curiosity is important and why you need to look at an 438 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:46,821 individual at a broader definition, and that's what it 439 00:24:46,942 --> 00:24:47,021 is. 440 00:24:52,090 --> 00:24:55,423 Speaker 2: We're broadening the definition of who that being is. 441 00:24:55,423 --> 00:24:58,728 Yeah, yeah, I love that and I think I think that's a lot of 442 00:24:58,748 --> 00:24:59,008 what you know. 443 00:24:59,008 --> 00:25:02,575 I think there's there's been almost a wave of of of content 444 00:25:02,615 --> 00:25:06,571 and research around things like you know authenticity, how to 445 00:25:06,592 --> 00:25:09,824 build trust, you know how to, how to you know kind of be be an 446 00:25:09,824 --> 00:25:13,291 effective team leader, but I, for me, so much of it starts 447 00:25:13,332 --> 00:25:16,465 with, like your own, the way that you interact with the world 448 00:25:16,465 --> 00:25:22,737 , your own kind of completeness and how you show up every single 449 00:25:22,737 --> 00:25:23,077 day. 450 00:25:23,077 --> 00:25:28,055 And, yeah, it's about being focused on the whole picture, 451 00:25:28,355 --> 00:25:28,557 right. 452 00:25:29,184 --> 00:25:30,507 Speaker 1: We're taught, right? 453 00:25:30,507 --> 00:25:32,670 No school taught that. 454 00:25:32,670 --> 00:25:36,694 We're taught in a system that had us all lined up in a row. 455 00:25:36,694 --> 00:25:39,057 You know, all taking the same tests. 456 00:25:39,057 --> 00:25:42,205 You know all judged on the same scale, right? 457 00:25:42,205 --> 00:25:43,911 So that's why you hear a lot. 458 00:25:43,911 --> 00:25:45,394 Oh well, this C student. 459 00:25:45,394 --> 00:25:49,444 He succeeded and is now running a successful corporation. 460 00:25:49,444 --> 00:25:51,891 Why isn't my A student doing that? 461 00:25:51,891 --> 00:25:56,622 Right, because it takes more of your being to participate in 462 00:25:56,682 --> 00:25:57,002 life. 463 00:25:57,002 --> 00:25:59,471 Absolutely, how are you participating in life? 464 00:25:59,471 --> 00:26:04,056 And so I think our corporations can play a big role in that, 465 00:26:05,787 --> 00:26:11,173 and schools should also start engaging more in the arts and 466 00:26:11,232 --> 00:26:17,839 creativity and valuing those types of skills other than the 467 00:26:17,900 --> 00:26:20,789 metrics that we use, and I think you're going to see that 468 00:26:20,851 --> 00:26:23,589 changing as well the education system. 469 00:26:23,589 --> 00:26:25,751 So our world is changing. 470 00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:29,771 What is your corporation doing to help your employees engage in 471 00:26:29,771 --> 00:26:30,433 the new world? 472 00:26:30,904 --> 00:26:34,545 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, not to chase too much of a tangent here 473 00:26:34,545 --> 00:26:37,106 , but I have three kids and they're all they're in 474 00:26:37,327 --> 00:26:42,478 elementary and junior high and you know, they, they, they 475 00:26:42,518 --> 00:26:44,890 measure these kids on on reading and math. 476 00:26:44,890 --> 00:26:47,537 Basically, you know a little bit of reading comprehension, 477 00:26:50,205 --> 00:26:53,450 but what's fascinating to me about this and you overlay this 478 00:26:53,529 --> 00:27:00,157 over the changing world and AI and all of the IQ stuff that 479 00:27:00,178 --> 00:27:02,961 they're measuring it's like that's not a differentiator 480 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:03,422 anymore. 481 00:27:03,422 --> 00:27:08,554 It doesn't how many times when I was in school, my teacher was 482 00:27:08,574 --> 00:27:10,657 like you're not going to have a calculator available all the 483 00:27:10,678 --> 00:27:10,818 time. 484 00:27:10,818 --> 00:27:12,670 You have to learn how to do this longhand division. 485 00:27:12,670 --> 00:27:15,719 No, I don't, yeah, no, I don't. 486 00:27:15,719 --> 00:27:20,547 No, I can just ask ChatGgpt to do it for me. 487 00:27:20,707 --> 00:27:22,230 And oh, by the way, they can build an excel spreadsheet 488 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:22,852 exactly how I want it. 489 00:27:22,852 --> 00:27:24,194 And you know, I have to be able to interpret it. 490 00:27:24,194 --> 00:27:27,128 I have to be able to work, as it is, with a team. 491 00:27:27,128 --> 00:27:29,114 I have to be able to work with others and get them aligned 492 00:27:29,153 --> 00:27:30,057 around a common goal. 493 00:27:30,057 --> 00:27:35,376 I have to be able to to see beyond these like black and 494 00:27:35,477 --> 00:27:39,911 white concepts, and that's what we spend so much time focused on 495 00:27:39,911 --> 00:27:39,911 . 496 00:27:39,911 --> 00:27:41,534 That I do believe. 497 00:27:41,534 --> 00:27:43,984 I totally agree that we're kind of missing the big picture and, 498 00:27:43,984 --> 00:27:50,941 quite frankly, you know we're losing what makes us human a 499 00:27:50,980 --> 00:27:52,785 little bit if we focus too much on this right. 500 00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: Well, what is going to? 501 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,150 I mean, you hate to ask the question, but let's ask it what 502 00:27:57,210 --> 00:28:00,066 is going to differentiate a human being versus a robot? 503 00:28:00,066 --> 00:28:04,095 Because you're going to robot in your corporate environment, 504 00:28:04,215 --> 00:28:06,588 right, we're going to start seeing those, you're going to 505 00:28:06,608 --> 00:28:07,269 start interact. 506 00:28:07,269 --> 00:28:09,876 So what is going to differentiate yourself? 507 00:28:09,876 --> 00:28:14,272 And that is your soul, yeah, your humanness, right, what is 508 00:28:14,313 --> 00:28:15,154 your humanness? 509 00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:17,459 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. 510 00:28:17,459 --> 00:28:21,142 So I mean I will tell you right now we're already interacting 511 00:28:21,162 --> 00:28:21,625 with robots. 512 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:26,555 Like I can tell when someone uses like chat GPT to write an 513 00:28:26,615 --> 00:28:32,368 email, like I can just tell, and it's funny, like, theoretically 514 00:28:32,368 --> 00:28:34,471 , hypothetically, you shouldn't really be able to Right. 515 00:28:34,471 --> 00:28:36,093 It's funny like, theoretically, hypothetically, you shouldn't 516 00:28:36,133 --> 00:28:37,974 really be able to right, but there's still an intuitive 517 00:28:38,536 --> 00:28:41,439 capability as a human being that AI does not have. 518 00:28:41,439 --> 00:28:47,465 That's the secret sauce, right, like you can't replace that. 519 00:28:47,886 --> 00:28:48,307 Speaker 1: How do you? 520 00:28:48,307 --> 00:28:52,953 You know, I've always used my intuition and that's 521 00:28:53,074 --> 00:28:54,454 non-tangible right. 522 00:28:54,454 --> 00:29:05,664 Like you know in a lot of interactions I had, well, we 523 00:29:05,684 --> 00:29:06,868 need to go through these steps to get to that end result. 524 00:29:06,868 --> 00:29:07,932 Well, I already know how to get there intuitively. 525 00:29:07,932 --> 00:29:10,179 So let's just skip all these steps that may take a year and 526 00:29:10,219 --> 00:29:11,867 let's go for it, right? 527 00:29:12,430 --> 00:29:13,232 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. 528 00:29:13,574 --> 00:29:17,750 Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get our employees tapping into their 529 00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:19,126 intuition Again. 530 00:29:19,126 --> 00:29:20,794 How do you get to your intuition? 531 00:29:20,794 --> 00:29:25,693 You start by knowing yourself, who you are trusting yourself. 532 00:29:25,693 --> 00:29:30,550 It's not about trusting the managers and the people you work 533 00:29:30,550 --> 00:29:30,691 with. 534 00:29:30,691 --> 00:29:32,609 Let's start with trusting ourselves. 535 00:29:33,854 --> 00:29:34,214 Speaker 2: I love it. 536 00:29:34,214 --> 00:29:38,029 And with that we're going to leave a little bit of a 537 00:29:38,089 --> 00:29:39,334 punctuation mark on the podcast. 538 00:29:39,334 --> 00:29:42,006 We're going to shift gears into the Rebel HR flash round. 539 00:29:42,006 --> 00:29:42,465 Are you ready? 540 00:29:43,527 --> 00:29:44,488 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm ready. 541 00:29:44,988 --> 00:29:45,367 Speaker 2: All right. 542 00:29:45,367 --> 00:29:52,313 So from trusting yourself to when do we need to rebel? 543 00:29:55,335 --> 00:29:57,596 Speaker 1: Wow, that is a great question. 544 00:29:57,596 --> 00:30:01,098 I love that word rebellion, rebel. 545 00:30:01,098 --> 00:30:09,265 I think we need to rebel and show up as our true self, and 546 00:30:09,285 --> 00:30:09,685 people don't do that. 547 00:30:09,685 --> 00:30:13,636 They show up like we think others want us to show up. 548 00:30:13,636 --> 00:30:19,089 So let's start showing up as our true self and letting others 549 00:30:19,089 --> 00:30:20,992 in to our true self. 550 00:30:22,836 --> 00:30:25,741 Speaker 2: I could not agree more. 551 00:30:25,741 --> 00:30:28,209 That would actually be my answer if I were to ask myself 552 00:30:28,249 --> 00:30:31,101 that question After all these years of doing this podcast. 553 00:30:31,101 --> 00:30:36,967 I am convinced that the most rebellious thing you can do is 554 00:30:37,048 --> 00:30:37,890 show up as yourself. 555 00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:38,570 Be yourself. 556 00:30:39,051 --> 00:30:39,993 Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. 557 00:30:40,556 --> 00:30:46,053 Speaker 2: And if you do that, then before this yeah, totally 558 00:30:46,073 --> 00:30:46,334 agree. 559 00:30:46,334 --> 00:30:48,959 Question number two who should we be listening to? 560 00:31:01,285 --> 00:31:02,027 Speaker 1: Wow, when you say listening to, are you? 561 00:31:02,027 --> 00:31:02,127 What? 562 00:31:02,127 --> 00:31:02,568 Are you referring to? 563 00:31:02,568 --> 00:31:02,689 Media? 564 00:31:02,709 --> 00:31:04,354 Speaker 2: TV, you can go whichever direction you want. 565 00:31:11,484 --> 00:31:11,865 Speaker 1: Okay, I can go Again. 566 00:31:11,865 --> 00:31:12,426 Another broad question. 567 00:31:12,426 --> 00:31:13,128 So who should you be listening to? 568 00:31:13,128 --> 00:31:15,994 I think you should be listening to people that you're drawn to, 569 00:31:15,994 --> 00:31:19,528 right, like who is your circle of friends? 570 00:31:19,528 --> 00:31:21,451 Are they engaging? 571 00:31:21,451 --> 00:31:26,306 Do they add to your curiosity and exposure to the world? 572 00:31:26,306 --> 00:31:28,828 Do they add to different views of the world? 573 00:31:28,828 --> 00:31:34,234 So push yourself to open your mind and listen to different 574 00:31:34,615 --> 00:31:39,625 viewpoints right Across the board, and then I would not 575 00:31:39,705 --> 00:31:45,278 listen, but I would start reading books on different 576 00:31:45,317 --> 00:31:45,838 topics. 577 00:31:45,838 --> 00:31:49,606 Let's start reading about AI and how that works. 578 00:31:49,606 --> 00:31:51,611 Let's start reading about quantum. 579 00:31:51,611 --> 00:31:57,304 Let's start reading about, you know, our um, our beings, and in 580 00:31:57,304 --> 00:32:00,009 a different light, like what, who? 581 00:32:00,009 --> 00:32:04,217 Who are the authors that are talking about a new world and 582 00:32:04,277 --> 00:32:05,945 how we show up in that new work? 583 00:32:05,945 --> 00:32:07,809 Who are the thought leaders? 584 00:32:07,809 --> 00:32:10,855 Yeah, so I love it. 585 00:32:10,855 --> 00:32:15,728 Yeah, I have a whole list of thought leaders that I and to 586 00:32:15,748 --> 00:32:16,548 stay with the theme. 587 00:32:16,650 --> 00:32:18,372 Speaker 2: You know what I'm hearing is stay with the theme 588 00:32:18,392 --> 00:32:19,073 of what we talked about. 589 00:32:19,073 --> 00:32:21,336 You know, get curious, right? 590 00:32:21,336 --> 00:32:24,038 You know, don't close your mind off and stay open minded. 591 00:32:24,038 --> 00:32:25,039 Yeah, all right. 592 00:32:25,039 --> 00:32:27,491 Last question how can our listeners connect with you? 593 00:32:27,491 --> 00:32:29,069 How can they learn more and get ? 594 00:32:29,089 --> 00:32:29,612 Speaker 1: connected. 595 00:32:29,612 --> 00:32:32,330 Thank you, I would love to hear from your listeners. 596 00:32:32,330 --> 00:32:35,761 Thank you, I would love to hear from your listeners. 597 00:32:35,761 --> 00:32:36,785 Please reach out. 598 00:32:36,785 --> 00:32:42,086 I have a website, thequantumsensecom 599 00:32:42,106 --> 00:32:44,332 thequantumsensecom, and you can even hear some frequency music I 600 00:32:44,332 --> 00:32:47,578 have playing on the website and learn more about my programs. 601 00:32:47,578 --> 00:32:52,468 And then also I have a LinkedIn page Pam Buchanan or the 602 00:32:52,508 --> 00:32:54,970 Quantum Sense that you can reach out to me on. 603 00:32:54,970 --> 00:32:59,833 So we'd love to even have a conversation, a dialogue. 604 00:32:59,833 --> 00:33:01,574 Let's just start. 605 00:33:03,394 --> 00:33:28,125 Speaker 2: Stay curious and do some investigation, but I think 606 00:33:28,144 --> 00:33:29,507 what's so exciting about the time here, pam, and about your 607 00:33:29,527 --> 00:33:31,289 work, is that to me this seems to help complete the wellness 608 00:33:31,309 --> 00:33:31,790 picture a little bit. 609 00:33:31,790 --> 00:33:34,114 This is a more holistic solution to a problem that we 610 00:33:34,153 --> 00:33:37,078 really haven't figured out, and so I appreciate you doing the 611 00:33:37,098 --> 00:33:37,419 work here. 612 00:33:37,459 --> 00:33:38,681 Speaker 1: Holistic solution to a problem that we really haven't 613 00:33:38,681 --> 00:33:41,224 figured out, and so I appreciate you doing the work 614 00:33:41,244 --> 00:33:41,325 here. 615 00:33:41,325 --> 00:33:45,534 So be a part of innovation, be a leader for your corporation 616 00:33:45,914 --> 00:33:47,478 and introduce this type of program. 617 00:33:48,204 --> 00:33:52,267 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, totally agree, Pam. 618 00:33:52,267 --> 00:33:55,935 Thank you again for the time today and for spending just a 619 00:33:55,976 --> 00:33:59,108 few minutes with us, and I can't wait to hear the reaction. 620 00:33:59,810 --> 00:34:00,192 Speaker 1: Thank you. 621 00:34:02,217 --> 00:34:05,414 Speaker 2: All right, that does it for the Rebel HR podcast. 622 00:34:05,414 --> 00:34:07,432 Big thank you to our guests. 623 00:34:07,432 --> 00:34:12,753 Follow us on Facebook at Rebel HR podcast, twitter at Rebel HR 624 00:34:12,793 --> 00:34:16,159 guy, or see our website at rebel human resourcescom. 625 00:34:16,159 --> 00:34:19,900 The views and opinions expressed by rebel Hr podcast 626 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,088 are those of the authors and do not necessarily reflect the 627 00:34:22,108 --> 00:34:26,009 official policy or position of any of the organizations that we 628 00:34:26,009 --> 00:34:26,371 represent. 629 00:34:26,371 --> 00:34:29,951 No animals were harmed during the filming of this podcast. 630 00:34:29,951 --> 00:34:32,237 Baby.