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It's"},{"startTime":5109.304,"endTime":5111.773,"body":"not that at all."},{"startTime":5111.806,"endTime":5114.109,"body":"This is made by"},{"startTime":5111.806,"endTime":5114.109,"body":"someone who fucking loves movies."},{"startTime":5114.109,"endTime":5117.512,"body":"I've listened to him on a lot of podcasts"},{"startTime":5114.109,"endTime":5117.512,"body":"at this point."},{"startTime":5117.512,"endTime":5122.117,"body":"One of his biggest influences"},{"startTime":5117.512,"endTime":5122.117,"body":"visually was a little film called Angst,"},{"startTime":5122.383,"endTime":5126.254,"body":"released in the eighties, which is Gaspar,"},{"startTime":5122.383,"endTime":5126.254,"body":"Norway's biggest influence."},{"startTime":5126.254,"endTime":5129.924,"body":"And one thing that makes so cool"},{"startTime":5126.254,"endTime":5129.924,"body":"angst is like it's an 80 minute movie"},{"startTime":5130.125,"endTime":5133.628,"body":"when you're just following a complete"},{"startTime":5130.125,"endTime":5133.628,"body":"fucking psychopath around as he tries"},{"startTime":5133.628,"endTime":5136.698,"body":"to decide what to do"},{"startTime":5133.628,"endTime":5136.698,"body":"and he decides what to do."},{"startTime":5136.698,"endTime":5139.601,"body":"And then you stay with him"},{"startTime":5136.698,"endTime":5139.601,"body":"and watch it for a lot of that movie."},{"startTime":5139.767,"endTime":5144.572,"body":"You're just behind him"},{"startTime":5139.767,"endTime":5144.572,"body":"on this insanely wide lens."},{"startTime":5144.772,"endTime":5146.441,"body":"He did that for this movie."},{"startTime":5146.441,"endTime":5149.777,"body":"Like we're following people"},{"startTime":5146.441,"endTime":5149.777,"body":"on like a 12 millimeters lens."},{"startTime":5149.777,"endTime":5155.617,"body":"Like, it's so far back, it looks like"},{"startTime":5149.777,"endTime":5155.617,"body":"we're in a fisheye and it's so unsettling."},{"startTime":5155.717,"endTime":5157.185,"body":"This movie rocks."},{"startTime":5157.185,"endTime":5160.922,"body":"You do not have to be"},{"startTime":5157.185,"endTime":5160.922,"body":"just a fan of horror movies to like this."},{"startTime":5161.156,"endTime":5163.725,"body":"Like I tweeted,"},{"startTime":5161.156,"endTime":5163.725,"body":"I didn't want to oversell my tweet,"},{"startTime":5163.725,"endTime":5167.495,"body":"but in the tweet"},{"startTime":5163.725,"endTime":5167.495,"body":"I said, there's some really impressive"},{"startTime":5167.495,"endTime":5171.633,"body":"editing and cinematography,"},{"startTime":5167.495,"endTime":5171.633,"body":"but a better word for it is strong."},{"startTime":5171.633,"endTime":5176.471,"body":"Like there were editing"},{"startTime":5171.633,"endTime":5176.471,"body":"cut single cuts where I went, Oh wow."},{"startTime":5176.471,"endTime":5177.839,"body":"Oh, okay."},{"startTime":5177.839,"endTime":5181.509,"body":"Where it's just good"},{"startTime":5177.839,"endTime":5181.509,"body":"barbarian directed by Zach Rager."},{"startTime":5181.509,"endTime":5183.545,"body":"Go see it. Go see it. I loved it."},{"startTime":5183.545,"endTime":5187.348,"body":"I might fucking go see it"},{"startTime":5183.545,"endTime":5187.348,"body":"because there's not really many out and."},{"startTime":5187.348,"endTime":5190.919,"body":"This is one that this is a sleeper"},{"startTime":5187.348,"endTime":5190.919,"body":"I think it's going to do."},{"startTime":5190.919,"endTime":5193.188,"body":"It's already made its money back"},{"startTime":5190.919,"endTime":5193.188,"body":"its opening weekend."},{"startTime":5193.188,"endTime":5194.622,"body":"I think it's going to do well."},{"startTime":5194.622,"endTime":5196.491,"body":"I think it's going to be around"},{"startTime":5194.622,"endTime":5196.491,"body":"for a while"},{"startTime":5196.491,"endTime":5200.061,"body":"and it's going to do fucking killer"},{"startTime":5196.491,"endTime":5200.061,"body":"when it comes when it hits streaming."},{"startTime":5200.061,"endTime":5202.363,"body":"But go"},{"startTime":5200.061,"endTime":5202.363,"body":"the theater. Don't ask anyone about it."},{"startTime":5202.363,"endTime":5202.864,"body":"Go see it."},{"startTime":5202.864,"endTime":5204.732,"body":"Just go see it, that's all."},{"startTime":5204.732,"endTime":5207.001,"body":"Oh, this was so much fun. So much fun."},{"startTime":5207.635,"endTime":5209.47,"body":"Go watch an Andre Arnold movie."},{"startTime":5209.47,"endTime":5211.606,"body":"Go challenge yourself. It's worth it."},{"startTime":5211.606,"endTime":5215.109,"body":"Go learn about the female experience"},{"startTime":5211.606,"endTime":5215.109,"body":"like we have."},{"startTime":5215.143,"endTime":5219.113,"body":"In all seriousness,"},{"startTime":5215.143,"endTime":5219.113,"body":"this is a director's work"},{"startTime":5219.247,"endTime":5221.916,"body":"who means so much to me,"},{"startTime":5219.247,"endTime":5221.916,"body":"and I'm so glad we got to do this."},{"startTime":5222.483,"endTime":5226.12,"body":"If you've seen a film of hers, or if"},{"startTime":5222.483,"endTime":5226.12,"body":"we have, encourage you to check one out."},{"startTime":5226.221,"endTime":5231.593,"body":"Let us know on Twitter or Instagram"},{"startTime":5226.221,"endTime":5231.593,"body":"at W AIW Underscore Podcast."},{"startTime":5231.593,"endTime":5241.002,"body":"And as always,"},{"startTime":5231.593,"endTime":5241.002,"body":"thanks for listening and happy watching."},{"startTime":5241.002,"endTime":5243.104,"body":"Hey everyone, thanks again for listening."},{"startTime":5243.104,"endTime":5247.642,"body":"You can watch my films and read my movie"},{"startTime":5243.104,"endTime":5247.642,"body":"blog at Alex Withrow dot com."},{"startTime":5247.942,"endTime":5251.412,"body":"Nicholas Dose Dotcom is where you can find"},{"startTime":5247.942,"endTime":5251.412,"body":"all of Nick's film work."},{"startTime":5251.646,"endTime":5257.552,"body":"Send us mailbag questions at"},{"startTime":5251.646,"endTime":5257.552,"body":"What are you watching podcast at gmail.com"},{"startTime":5257.752,"endTime":5262.624,"body":"or find us on Twitter at W AIW Underscore"},{"startTime":5257.752,"endTime":5262.624,"body":"Podcast."},{"startTime":5263.024,"endTime":5266.261,"body":"It's been 15 years since great movie year."},{"startTime":5266.261,"endTime":5267.762,"body":"That was 2007."},{"startTime":5267.762,"endTime":5272.066,"body":"And next time we're going to talk about"},{"startTime":5267.762,"endTime":5272.066,"body":"our favorite films from that banner year"},{"startTime":5272.233,"endTime":5273.101,"body":"and debate."},{"startTime":5273.101,"endTime":5275.67,"body":"If there has been a better"},{"startTime":5273.101,"endTime":5275.67,"body":"movie year since."},{"startTime":5276.004,"endTime":5279.24,"body":"Stay tuned."},{"startTime":5283.278,"endTime":5285.58,"body":"I still"},{"startTime":5283.278,"endTime":5285.58,"body":"here to probably suck and listen to."},{"startTime":5287.081,"endTime":5288.916,"body":"Hi, Ali."},{"startTime":5288.916,"endTime":5290.652,"body":"I saw I thought she was going solar."},{"startTime":5290.652,"endTime":5292.887,"body":"That caught my eye. It was like,"},{"startTime":5290.652,"endTime":5292.887,"body":"what the fuck?"},{"startTime":5292.887,"endTime":5295.089,"body":"And then her interest in film."},{"startTime":5295.089,"endTime":5295.49,"body":"Hold on."},{"startTime":5295.923,"endTime":5297.158,"body":"I can hear these keys."},{"startTime":5297.158,"endTime":5298.693,"body":"Everything's being picked."},{"startTime":5298.693,"endTime":5301.396,"body":"It's okay. Bye,"},{"startTime":5301.396,"endTime":5301.629,"body":"baby."},{"startTime":5301.629,"endTime":5307.235,"body":"Sweetie, I love catching"},{"startTime":5301.629,"endTime":5307.235,"body":"the little moments between you guys."},{"startTime":5307.468,"endTime":5309.07,"body":"I love it. That's just love, brother."}]}