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Famed Italian Dino De Laurentiis."},{"startTime":7258.884,"endTime":7261.087,"body":"He's credited as a producer on this film."},{"startTime":7261.087,"endTime":7262.822,"body":"And you feel some of his influence."},{"startTime":7262.822,"endTime":7267.159,"body":"He really like to erotic"},{"startTime":7262.822,"endTime":7267.159,"body":"thrillers, perverse, dangerous material."},{"startTime":7267.56,"endTime":7271.764,"body":"Ullmann plays a psychiatrist"},{"startTime":7267.56,"endTime":7271.764,"body":"who is slowly having a mental breakdown."},{"startTime":7272.031,"endTime":7277.036,"body":"She has these crazy dreams and nightmares"},{"startTime":7272.031,"endTime":7277.036,"body":"that feel so real."},{"startTime":7277.036,"endTime":7279.438,"body":"And you're watching, like,"},{"startTime":7277.036,"endTime":7279.438,"body":"is this shit real?"},{"startTime":7279.472,"endTime":7281.107,"body":"I mean, I don't know."},{"startTime":7281.107,"endTime":7283.409,"body":"She's married,"},{"startTime":7281.107,"endTime":7283.409,"body":"but she never sees her husband."},{"startTime":7283.576,"endTime":7285.911,"body":"She begins to have an affair"},{"startTime":7283.576,"endTime":7285.911,"body":"with a doctor."},{"startTime":7285.911,"endTime":7287.78,"body":"Erland Josephson. Always."},{"startTime":7287.78,"endTime":7290.283,"body":"But it isn't really a connection"},{"startTime":7287.78,"endTime":7290.283,"body":"based on sex."},{"startTime":7290.283,"endTime":7294.587,"body":"Because Ullmann's character,"},{"startTime":7290.283,"endTime":7294.587,"body":"Jenny, she's very, very repressed."},{"startTime":7295.121,"endTime":7298.858,"body":"I had no idea what to do with this movie"},{"startTime":7295.121,"endTime":7298.858,"body":"the first time I saw it, which was after"},{"startTime":7298.858,"endTime":7299.625,"body":"I Blind bought"},{"startTime":7299.625,"endTime":7303.929,"body":"the DVD and I watched it again last week,"},{"startTime":7299.625,"endTime":7303.929,"body":"only the third time I've ever seen it."},{"startTime":7304.163,"endTime":7307.6,"body":"And I had a much better"},{"startTime":7304.163,"endTime":7307.6,"body":"understanding of her torment."},{"startTime":7308.0,"endTime":7311.003,"body":"Damn,"},{"startTime":7308.0,"endTime":7311.003,"body":"this thing is a top tier Bergman mind."},{"startTime":7311.003,"endTime":7311.404,"body":"Fuck."},{"startTime":7311.404,"endTime":7313.639,"body":"It is so fun to watch"},{"startTime":7313.639,"endTime":7317.41,"body":"Bergman in a dream space"},{"startTime":7313.639,"endTime":7317.41,"body":"because he can do whatever hell he wants."},{"startTime":7317.41,"endTime":7320.88,"body":"And it's like, yeah,"},{"startTime":7317.41,"endTime":7320.88,"body":"he puts these dreams on film."},{"startTime":7320.88,"endTime":7321.914,"body":"And I don't know,"},{"startTime":7321.914,"endTime":7326.052,"body":"we've seen him do that before,"},{"startTime":7321.914,"endTime":7326.052,"body":"but not in this vivid contemporary color."},{"startTime":7326.052,"endTime":7327.987,"body":"So this is not an easy film."},{"startTime":7327.987,"endTime":7331.557,"body":"It is tough scenes,"},{"startTime":7327.987,"endTime":7331.557,"body":"but it's a very, very trippy one."},{"startTime":7331.557,"endTime":7336.262,"body":"So I just recommend it"},{"startTime":7331.557,"endTime":7336.262,"body":"as one of his top tier films face to face."},{"startTime":7336.262,"endTime":7339.365,"body":"Well, had a lot of crossover with America"},{"startTime":7336.262,"endTime":7339.365,"body":"because it got nominated"},{"startTime":7339.365,"endTime":7342.435,"body":"for some big Oscars"},{"startTime":7339.365,"endTime":7342.435,"body":"director actress, stuff like that."},{"startTime":7342.501,"endTime":7346.172,"body":"1976 big year,"},{"startTime":7342.501,"endTime":7346.172,"body":"big year, Taxi Driver Network,"},{"startTime":7346.172,"endTime":7350.009,"body":"All the President's Men,"},{"startTime":7346.172,"endTime":7350.009,"body":"Good year, strong year, 1978."},{"startTime":7350.643,"endTime":7351.744,"body":"All of Sonata."},{"startTime":7351.744,"endTime":7354.58,"body":"Ooh, Jesus Christ. 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