{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":9.976,"endTime":10.71,"body":"Hey, everyone."},{"startTime":10.71,"endTime":12.479,"body":"Welcome to. What are you watching?"},{"startTime":12.479,"endTime":16.316,"body":"I'm Alex with Throw, and I'm joined,"},{"startTime":12.479,"endTime":16.316,"body":"as always, by my best man Nick Dostal."},{"startTime":16.316,"endTime":19.119,"body":"So how are you doing"},{"startTime":16.316,"endTime":19.119,"body":"there, Fredo? 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There you go."},{"startTime":3860.556,"endTime":3862.491,"body":"Here's one for you, Dear Hunter."},{"startTime":3862.491,"endTime":3866.062,"body":"As we mentioned, wins best picture in 1978"},{"startTime":3862.491,"endTime":3866.062,"body":"about the Vietnam War."},{"startTime":3866.062,"endTime":3871.834,"body":"That is the main reason that's cited"},{"startTime":3866.062,"endTime":3871.834,"body":"for Apocalypse Now not winning in 1979."},{"startTime":3871.834,"endTime":3873.402,"body":"Would you give it to Kramer Bruce Kramer."},{"startTime":3873.402,"endTime":3875.371,"body":"Which one or Apocalypse Now."},{"startTime":3875.371,"endTime":3877.373,"body":"I think I got to give Apocalypse Now."},{"startTime":3877.406,"endTime":3880.676,"body":"Yeah that's fair not to take anything away"},{"startTime":3877.406,"endTime":3880.676,"body":"from Kramer's Kramer."},{"startTime":3880.676,"endTime":3882.478,"body":"It's a no no discussion"},{"startTime":3882.478,"endTime":3886.449,"body":"it's like Raging Bull or Ordinary People"},{"startTime":3882.478,"endTime":3886.449,"body":"the next year, you know."},{"startTime":3886.549,"endTime":3887.55,"body":"Yeah, exactly."},{"startTime":3887.55,"endTime":3889.418,"body":"The reverse. 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