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ago."},{"startTime":4446.241,"endTime":4447.142,"body":"It's a great show."},{"startTime":4447.142,"endTime":4447.91,"body":"It really is."},{"startTime":4447.91,"endTime":4450.312,"body":"I didn't even want to text you about it"},{"startTime":4447.91,"endTime":4450.312,"body":"because I knew"},{"startTime":4450.312,"endTime":4452.381,"body":"I was going to bring it up on the podcast"},{"startTime":4450.312,"endTime":4452.381,"body":"at some point."},{"startTime":4452.381,"endTime":4456.151,"body":"But this thing gets my full recommendation"},{"startTime":4452.381,"endTime":4456.151,"body":"and it was produced in tandem"},{"startTime":4456.151,"endTime":4459.855,"body":"with BBC and BBC shows like Really,"},{"startTime":4456.151,"endTime":4459.855,"body":"Really Get It Right."},{"startTime":4459.855,"endTime":4460.522,"body":"Yeah, they're good."},{"startTime":4460.522,"endTime":4462.558,"body":"This thing is great"},{"startTime":4460.522,"endTime":4462.558,"body":"and it has a great 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doing this with me."},{"startTime":4499.194,"endTime":4501.463,"body":"We made it the end of shame."},{"startTime":4501.463,"endTime":4502.764,"body":"Oh, my pleasure."},{"startTime":4502.764,"endTime":4505.467,"body":"As always, everyone,"},{"startTime":4502.764,"endTime":4505.467,"body":"thank you so much for listening."},{"startTime":4505.701,"endTime":4507.836,"body":"And happy watching who"},{"startTime":4513.208,"endTime":4515.244,"body":"Hey, everyone, thanks again for listening."},{"startTime":4515.244,"endTime":4520.482,"body":"You can watch my films and read my movie"},{"startTime":4515.244,"endTime":4520.482,"body":"blog at Alex Withrow dot com Nicholas"},{"startTime":4520.482,"endTime":4523.452,"body":"Coastal dot com is where you can find"},{"startTime":4520.482,"endTime":4523.452,"body":"all of Nick's film work."},{"startTime":4523.852,"endTime":4528.891,"body":"If you have any questions or comments,"},{"startTime":4523.852,"endTime":4528.891,"body":"please email us at 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