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Cosmic Revelations: Secret Space Program Insider Speaks
Take a deep breath and prepare to have your understanding of reality challenged.
Morgan's testimony of her time in the Secret Space Program challenges everything we think we know about humanity's place in the cosmos. In this second part of our extraordinary conversation, she reveals the reality of a vast, hidden space operation that runs parallel to the public space programs most people are familiar with.
After being recruited at 17, Morgan embarked on not one but two "20 and back" missions—serving 40 years in space before being returned to the exact moment she left, her body age-regressed, memories wiped. She describes being transported via underground facilities from Fort Lewis to a base on the moon, where she received initial training before heading to an officer academy in Alpha Centauri
The details she shares are both mind-expanding and eerily matter-of-fact. From encountering reptilian royalty with wings to studying alongside nine-foot spiders she describes as "nice and sweet," Morgan paints a picture of a universe teeming with intelligent life. Her accounts of anti-gravity vehicles, consciousness transfer technology, and functioning stargates mirror science fiction depictions in ways that make you wonder if Hollywood has been a vehicle for soft disclosure all along.
Morgan suggests that our acceptance of the conventional space narrative – that humanity went to the moon once and never returned – requires more suspension of disbelief than acknowledging the existence of advanced space programs and extraterrestrial contact. She believes disclosure faces obstacles not only from controlling interests but also from humanity's emotional immaturity and tendency toward fear-based reactions. Meanwhile, technologies that could eliminate poverty, disease, and energy scarcity have been deliberately withheld from the public since at least the 1950s, maintaining artificial scarcity paradigms that serve control systems rather than human flourishing.
What makes Morgan's account particularly compelling is her commitment to recovering her memories independently, avoiding external influences that might contaminate her recollections. Her story raises profound questions about human history, technological potential, and our place in what appears to be a thriving galactic community.
Her story represents not just individual healing but points to a broader awakening humanity may be approaching—one where we remember our true capabilities and cosmic connections.
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Take a deep breath and remember there's a power breathing you. This is your space of sanity in an evolving world, where we learn about spiritual law and how to apply it to our lives in a way that is practical and life-changing. This is where we remember truth to make the world a better place, one person at a time. I'm Claire Lottier, inspirational speaker, teacher of the technology of transformation and a certified life mastery consultant and spiritual growth mentor. Welcome to the Grace Space. I'm so glad you're here for part two of my extraordinary conversation with Morgan, a survivor of MKUltra mind control and a powerful voice in the realm of disclosure. If you haven't yet listened to part one, I highly recommend starting there. In that episode, Morgan shared about her early life, how she was identified at the age of five, trained at a place called the Elitist Academy and groomed for the ultra soldier program through intense and often traumatic conditioning. Her story is both harrowing and illuminating, and it sets the stage for everything we're about to dive into today, which I can promise you is far out. Fasten your seatbelts.
Speaker 1:In part two, we go deeper into Morgan's experiences within what is now commonly referred to as the secret space program. Well, I guess it's not such a secret anymore. If you and I are talking about it, You'll hear about her recruitment into the 20 and back initiative, the mind bending technologies involved, her time on the moon and in Alpha Centauri, among other places, her encounters with other species and the unimaginable scope of what's really going on beyond the veil of the official narrative. We also touch on the ethics of disclosure, the manipulation of perception through Hollywood and the hidden technologies that have been kept from humanity, technologies that could potentially end suffering. As we know it, this is a powerful, paradigm shifting conversation. As always, I invite you to listen with your heart open and your mind curious. So, somewhere along the way, they identified you as a potential candidate for the SSP. Can you tell us what the SSP is?
Speaker 2:So it's the secret space program and I'm not even 100 sure that's what it was called when I went in. It's what it is called now, but this is a long time ago that this happened. Um, so I was saying before that there are tracks, uh, in the mk ultra stuff, and so there's like an intel track, there's a remote viewing track and there's a sspP track for the school that I was in specifically, and I actually went on all three tracks just because I was able to do that and they figured that out through DNA. I guess my DNA showed them that I was a good candidate and I was also handling the programming really well, meaning doing what they wanted. So, yeah, they suggested suggested in quotes to my parents, to my mom to get me to go in the military when I was 17.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Okay, so this, um uh, the the elitist academy was not specifically a military academy already. It was just a secret program and some people might join the military after having been through the elitist academy or not.
Speaker 2:Well, everyone I knew joined the military. Okay, all the boys.
Speaker 1:So would this, so was this a branch of the?
Speaker 2:military Well, not just the military. They all joined the army and Fort Lewis was right in the vicinity. We did train at Fort Lewis a few times. So there was definitely a military involvement but, like I said, the boys had a different military mission than I had, but it was. There was definitely a military struggle, but with the regular, regular military know about.
Speaker 1:Like, when I was in high school, I had a boyfriend who went into the Marines directly after high school. Um, he, he became a Marine, but I but I'm not thinking that he knew anything about y'all.
Speaker 2:No, no, no, I cause like. When I went in, I had no idea I was taken out of a regular job and told that. You know, I was taken into an office and a commander came and asked if I wanted to go on what's called a 20 and back, which is what they call the secret space force contracts. Enlistment dates Usually it's 20 years at a time. I did two of them, but I only have memories of the first 20 right now.
Speaker 1:Excuse me, Okay, so everybody, morgan is still. She's still recovering her memories. I mean, this is we're, this is an active process that she is in. So, okay, first of all, we have to get our minds around the fact that there is a secret space program, although how secret can it be? If I know about it, it's not that secret anymore. I guess it was more secret at the time, but there are a lot of people talking about the secret space program now.
Speaker 1:So we have to get our minds around the fact that we have this one narrative, the one that I grew up with, where I remember, you know, they supposedly went to the moon the year before I was born and then they were sending space shuttles up. And I remember when the space shuttle blew up, I was in school. I remember that day very clearly, somebody running in and telling us that the space shuttle had a teacher on it, had blown up, and then, and we've, and we've never been back to the moon in quotes since then. And then there's, and then there's something called the secret space program. So can we just talk about the, the story that most people have been told and believe about space programs NASA, you know rockets, space Force even now, and you know SpaceX, elon Musk's company. You know, a rocket spectacularly blew up the other day in the air and everybody saw that. And then there's something called the secret space program. It seems like two totally different paradigms that have nothing to do with one another.
Speaker 2:To me, it sounds way more silly to say that one time, however many tens of years ago, we went to the moon and never went back. That sounds more ridiculous to me than the space force does at this point. Like for the world to believe that I love everyone. I promise you I do, but for that to be a narrative that stuck. I'm impressed that the world Like, what Like. But it's the same thing that we say about MKUltra, right, it's like because they said so.
Speaker 2:Well, what Like? Why would it? Why would they stop doing something that worked? It doesn't make any sense, would it? Why would they stop doing something that worked? It doesn't make any sense and it's just. I think it's the easier truth for them to handle. Just because, um, there are people who think people will freak out and, yes, some people probably will freak out when they find out, uh, they're not alone and that, which is just another absurdity in itself. Like, there's hundreds of billions of planets. How could you believe that you are the only one? Like, that doesn't make any sense. But that's what people want to believe and it's to keep them in a little cocoon, to keep them safe. You know, we're the only ones and we're safe, like I think that's really what the narrative is for. Is this false ideal of safety?
Speaker 1:Well, and do you think? Do you think, morgan, that there's also an element of isolation, like we're all alone?
Speaker 2:Maybe, but when you say isolation, there's also a level of like being mature enough to be ready for it Does that make sense Like we have a whole lot of like jerks.
Speaker 2:you know we still have some like big jerks that like I don't want them in space, I don't, I don't, you know. So there's only certain people that get to go or get that's not even what I mean but that are allowed to go. You have to be kind of a non-judgmental and not a jerk Like. Those are like, those are kind of prerequisites because the rest of like the civilizations that you're going to find out there. Yes, there are some jerks out there, there are some bad guys out there, but mostly, if you've become a space faring race, it's because you've evolved to a space where you're at least neutral not trying to kill everybody, which is just where we're at.
Speaker 2:still Some people.
Speaker 1:Okay, well, you know there's. I also want to talk about the reptilians that will come later, but yeah, so, okay, so we have a secret space program. Who's running this thing? Is it just the U? S or is this a worldwide collaboration?
Speaker 2:To me it's a worldwide collaboration, but there are separate sections of it I only can say things from my perspective which was a very militarized one spot to the next spot, and it was all US and I was only around US. I know that it's a worldwide thing.
Speaker 1:Okay. So, um, when did you learn that there was a secret space program and what was? And, and I mean, were you like, um, okay, the rest of the world believes this. What was that?
Speaker 2:connect Like leaves this what was that connect? Like there wasn't any time for that. It was would you like to go? They just told me one day, you know, would you like to go? And I said yes, of course, cause it sounded like the coolest thing ever, um, and the next day they took me on onto the ship. Like there was no time for like. I mean, I had moment of like. Oh my God, I can't believe this is happening. I had a boyfriend at the ship. Like there was no time for like. I mean, I had moment of like. Oh my God, I can't believe this is happening. I had a boyfriend at the time, um, who I couldn't tell that I was going, but he ended up going anyway with me, which was, you know, we thought was very cool, but we couldn't tell each other. So it was only one night that I had to like even think about it and I was just excited.
Speaker 1:Okay, so, um okay, so you described you, you. You told us that it was a 20 and back program and that you did two 20 and back programs back to back. Explain to people what is a 20 and back program.
Speaker 2:So it's a 20 year enlistment, but there's it's different than you might think as one year, so the timing is different. This always gets hard for me to try to explain to people. When you hyper jump through space and time you're moving to another place in space. It's like another timeline, right, so we could come back to the same timeline that we left from. So they, they told me right away we can bring you back to this exact moment right here, and then you'll never know. You left and you'll be 19 again and no one will be the wiser, Like this was. And then, once I went out there, the first 20, they would age regress. You, you could be, you could be whatever age you wanted if you wanted to Like. Most people chose to naturally progress age-wise because that's a sign of wisdom, a sign of um that you earn your age right, that's. There's a different rapport about age in space and in other cultures. It's an honor, it's not that so much.
Speaker 1:Oh, I see, so it's not like, okay, yeah, so it's viewed differently out there. Yeah. So so when you left for the secret space program and I want to get into the details of what you did uh, obviously, um, but you spent 20 years the equivalent of 20 human years in space, and then you came back and you were still 19.
Speaker 2:Yes, but I did two consecutive ones, so I ended up staying out 40 years altogether, um, I did age regress when I did the next 20, but, um, we can talk about that 20, cause that's all I have the memories, um, of right now anyway. But, yes, I did come back and into my 19 year old body, um, and just acted like nothing had ever happened, because I didn't remember until 33.
Speaker 1:Right, okay, I mean, look, I've been, you know, researching this stuff for a while, so I just take it for granted, but I I'm just taking a breath for those listening. Yes, so so you're saying that we have technology that allows us not only to go into space and to other planets, but that also allows us to age regress and to return to the body that you left, and no time would have passed on this planet while you were spending 20 years in space.
Speaker 2:Yes, and that's wild. I know it, believe me, I know it. There's no one who thinks it's more wild than me. I promise, I promise well, I mean you.
Speaker 1:you know there are a lot of people who have. I mean, tony Rodriguez is a person who also remembers now, yeah, having taken into the secret space program and having done a 20 and back. Do you know, tony?
Speaker 2:I've heard the name, tony. I've heard the name. That's one thing about me is, once I got my memories, like once they started to like roll in, I stopped watching anything that has to do with this stuff because I wanted my memories to be particularly just mine and not painted with anyone else's story. So I don't know anything about what's going on in the disclosure movement or on the community whatsoever, and until I have 100% of my memories back, I'm not going to. I will still be involved in like maybe go to conferences or maybe have conversations with people about it. I don't mind that, but I don't want ever things to get skewed for myself. That's what I've spent the last seven years um hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of hours of meditation, um healing work, therapy, figuring things out. The more I learn, the more comes up.
Speaker 1:Wow, yeah, well, lots of respect for wanting to you know, independently, reclaim your own memories and not be influenced by stories out there from other people. What happens like if we can even talk about this with that, you know, with the language that we currently have and the paradigm that most people are coming from yeah, hanging out and you went off to the secret space program that night and then the next day you came back, having done a 20 year stint in space, and then coming back to your same body, I would not know any different, I would just be. It would just be like another day, the next day, that I saw you again and I wouldn't know, and you wouldn't know either, presumably because they would erase your. Did you ever go like? Well, I don't want you to erase my memory. I'm going to space. I want to frigging.
Speaker 2:Remember that, that's cool, it was very cool and I did say I it was part of the contract. There was no, you didn't have an option.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what did they do? Do they? Do you go in your body that you're occupying here, or do they create a clone, or how does it work logistically?
Speaker 2:So the way that and I again quoting me on this or like it's I put I remember a sequence of events, but, like when you're talking about consciousness, like it felt like to me two of us, like the 19 year old in one timeline, was taken and then I was taken from another timeline 19 year old, in one timeline was taken and then I was taken from another timeline.
Speaker 2:So what? The I don't know what happened to the person or the place, the placeholder of, who went right, the one, who, the 19 year old me, that went to space like she could have been killed, they could have she disappeared. So you know, there could have been many ways that they dealt with me leaving, but I was brought back into another timeline. So it was the same same time, right Time frame, still 19 years old, still living in the barracks at Fort Lewis, and that's who they. They brought her to me in space and then put my consciousness into her body, which then what they did with the other body? They told us they were going to use it for science. So whatever that means, I can't know.
Speaker 1:So does this okay? So I mean, my, my mind goes to try to create order out of chaos because it doesn't want to understand how this is possible. But so I'm imagining that there's like an etheric blueprint of the body that can be just rematerialized somehow, that they, that technology exists for them to just replicate, you know, your, your body, uh, like you know, 3d print it, uh, you know, and, and put your consciousness back into it, your soul back into it not exactly so.
Speaker 2:Have you ever seen Loki, the show Loki? I don't know. No, no, okay, because that would help. So when we talk you had talked before about potentials, right, there are many potentials and all of those potentials are individual timelines, right? So each one of those. So what they're doing, instead of recreating a body, is they're taking a body from one of those potentials that aren't going to manifest oh, okay, right because there's the one, the diverging most potential, but there are also other options that are that could play out at any given time.
Speaker 2:Those energies usually die off and ends up back in the stream of consciousness, right, but for a while it's available, so they'll go grab. You know, they can grab another body from another timeline and bring it back to and I don't know how else to explain it such as like wild topic, to like I'm doing the best I can. I mean, look the show lucky, really really could help understand. It's called the sacred timeline and there's other timelines that branch off and it's just it would help people know like movies are a very cool way to learn about the truth of the universe well, yeah, actually.
Speaker 2:So I was going to say it's low-key than a form of disclosure yeah, in its own way, for sure it talks by talking about the timelines and being able to transverse and move back and forth through time. Yes, 100%.
Speaker 1:Because, you know, I've been going back and finding some of my favorite old films, you know, films that really impacted me, like Contact, for example. I always loved the movie contact because I felt like there was something real in it, um, and and. But at the same time, we're aware that, you know, let's say there is, uh, you know, infiltration of these secret government agendas into every domain of life, including Hollywood. And so, you know, there is misinformation or disinformation, spread through entertainment as well. Right to keep us in the dark, you know, or give us a little bit of truth, but mix it up with stuff that isn't real, you know. So I've been wanting to, like, create my list of, you know, top 25 real disclosure movies and TV shows. You know, like, who was, who was telling us the most amount of truth at any given time?
Speaker 2:I have some suggestions.
Speaker 1:I would love to get your list and put it as a bonus in the show notes.
Speaker 2:That would be great list and we'll put it as a bonus in the show notes. That would be great. Another one, one movie that can help like understand, like us going from one place in space to another, um, like when I left and to go to the space program, uh, captain marvel, the way that they travel through dimensions. That one was really, really accurate.
Speaker 1:Okay, captain Marvel. All right, I'm going back, I'm watching that tonight because that's so interesting. What you just said, I just want to repeat that. So you said the government has certain contracts with Hollywood.
Speaker 2:Yeah with different Hollywood production companies to put in certain propaganda to put in. I think it was Candace Owens that told me about that and she is very much not a part of that. She's not interested in this kind of stuff but she's definitely. She noticed that and when she said that it made a lot of sense like that, yes, the movie Independence Day when I had a really wild experience right after my awakening I saw a giant spaceship above my house that looked exactly like the ones from Independence Day and I think they were trying to scare me, like you know. I don't know. It was really strange.
Speaker 1:Was do you think that could have been a hologram?
Speaker 2:No, that was a. That was a ship and at that point I was so done that I didn't care. I was so frustrated with life and my experience. At that moment there was so much fear in my life and so much that I just couldn't give it. I think it was trying to scare me, but I couldn't handle any more fear. Right, right.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, so let's talk about your, your function in the secret space program. What, what did you do?
Speaker 2:So right away, because I was one of very few females there was usually only one or two at max, like three girls ever around me when I was in space. So when I got to the moon, the commander of the base there said she wanted me to go to officer school. Me and my boyfriend at the time went to officer school and then and that was in an office in Toray- Okay, pause for a second.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay. Some people are like wait a second. Did you just say the moon? Yeah, oh, yeah, you went to the moon. Wait a minute, you can go to the moon. How do you go to the moon? How did you get there? What's on the moon? What's going on over there?
Speaker 2:Yeah. So the day after they came in and said, do you want to go on the 20 and back, they came and grabbed me from work. I was just working for my first sergeant at that point they took us across the street. So at Fort Lewis like I don't know exactly how far it is, but literally across the street we'll call it is McCord Air Force Base and so they took us to, me and my boyfriend. At the time we didn't know we were going together, but it ended up turning out that we did.
Speaker 2:They took both of us to this underground terminal where there was a spaceship. It looked like a rocket ship, like a I don't know some kind of mesh between a rocket ship and an alien ship, and we boarded that ship. They didn't tell us anything about what we were doing, or they just we have to stop at the moon. It did take us three days to get to the moon, which is strange. Someone else had brought that up Like why did it take three days to get to the moon? I think it was more to acclimate us to being in space, since it was just our experience. They just wanted us to learn what it was like to be on a ship and to be out in space in that way.
Speaker 1:So okay, so this ship that was underground were you in what they call a dumb, a deep underground military base, and you, you went underground to get to this ship that took you to the moon.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:Okay, and and how big was this ship? How many other people were on there with you, guys?
Speaker 2:Well, that's a good question. I haven't really thought about that. Um, the only people that came with us, I think there was like two or three people working the ship, and then there was me and the boyfriend. There wasn't a whole bunch of people on that ship.
Speaker 1:So it was more like a shuttle.
Speaker 2:Yes oh, a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:Okay, and did this because normally when a rocket takes off from space, at least to you know, surface dwellers like like us, um it, it leaves from the surface of the earth and it goes into outer space. This thing was underground. Where did it exit the earth? How did that work?
Speaker 2:It just came up and opened up and then went straight up.
Speaker 1:So there was like a hidden tunnel of sorts, a hole in the ground that they could open it up and it would just shoot out of there.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it looked like a hangar, like the hangar open.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:We opened from underneath and then went straight up, so it would look like normal because it was an air force base.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, and so was it like a, a rocket? Did it look like one of one of ours that most people recognize, or did it look like an alien type of vehicle?
Speaker 2:It looks similar to our rocket, like okay, I don't know, it would look very similar to ours. It was just made out of a different type of material and I think that's it was just so that it looked normal in our sky. If someone did see it but I mean right as we came out, there would be camouflage put on it so no one would be able to see us mean like radar, camouflage or actual um, an actual technology that makes it invisible to yes, people, onlookers, yes, you'd be completely invisible.
Speaker 2:there are ships above us right now, all the time, that are completely invisible, and then so, yeah, there's a cloaking, and then they're always watching, taking care, like making sure everything's OK, not, allowing, you know, nuclear weapons to be thrown around, like people like say there's going to be these big ones that you're talking about.
Speaker 1:These are not ours. These are some friends of ours.
Speaker 2:Yes. There are many species that are interested in this planet and support this planet.
Speaker 1:That's good to know. I've always believed that, but it's good to hear from multiple sources. So you go. They're like we need to make a pit stop at the moon. Yes, so when you land on the moon, do you land on the surface of the moon or do you go down into another base?
Speaker 2:Inside. We went inside and it was a base and it was. We were just there to get our uniforms, job description basics. We were only there three days, right? Ok, I'm like what was going to happen, you know right right, okay, and so there are.
Speaker 1:there are bases on the moon, there are people living on the moon. Where do they get their food and stuff like that?
Speaker 2:Everything in any type of planet that cannot produce for itself is always being supplied, which is part of what I ended up doing later on.
Speaker 1:Okay, okay, this may be a little bit of a tangent, but I'm very interested in investigating, if you know anything about it, the moon matrix and the role that the moon plays in suppressing consciousness.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't say that. If anything, I would say the opposite. But I don't think I have enough information or know enough about that to even speak on it.
Speaker 1:Okay, all right, I thought it might be a tangent, but anyway, since we're stopping at the moon, sure, sure, okay, all right, I thought it might be a tangent, but anyway, since we're stopping at the moon, sure.
Speaker 2:Sure Okay.
Speaker 1:And then you said your assignment was actually in Alpha Centauri.
Speaker 2:My first initial assignment was just to become an officer. I studied psychology. I learned that I mean we can talk about me going to Alpha Centauri first, if you want, like um. We got shuttled there. And then, when I got there, we landed on a plant, a small rocky planet. Um, that was orange and dusty. It had blue grass, blue trees, everything was blue. There wasn't a lot of animals or like any kind of. It was just this giant. I think it was copper. I believe it was copper building. That was specifically for officer training and it wasn't just for us and our solar system, it's for the galaxy. So there were many types of beings there who are going to school.
Speaker 1:Wow. So where is Alpha Centauri? For someone who is looking out at the night sky, how far away is it?
Speaker 2:Ooh, I don't have my phone in here. I want to somewhere between like four and nine light years or something like that. It's the closest solar system to us, right on.
Speaker 1:Okay, so so when you went there, how, how long in your estimation did it take to get to to arrive?
Speaker 2:That one was quick, that was a, like I said that movie. Captain Marvel can really explain where it's. Just you just shoot through time and space itself and maybe a few days, maybe a week. I'm not a hundred percent on that either.
Speaker 1:So you know everybody, when we're, you know, trying to get our heads around this stuff, we have to realize that we're not in the same paradigm.
Speaker 1:You know we're not dealing with time space the way that we are, and I mean we should be able to get our heads around it, because we already know that we have a strange and distorted sense of time even here. You know, like we all know what it's like like for time to feel like it's creeping by, and we also know what it's like to feel like it's going really quickly, and I think a lot of people nowadays feel like that time is accelerating, like it really feels. To me, anyway, it feels like things are going super fast, that time is actually accelerating, so time is flexible. Fast. That time is actually accelerating, so time is flexible. So we got to get out of this sort of linear, materialistic paradigm that you know it takes a certain amount of time space to travel to a system that is seven to nine light years away. There are shortcuts in the universe if you're not bound by time, time space Is that an accurate way of putting it?
Speaker 2:Yes, there are different ways too. There's different types of ways. There's portals We'll get into portals in a minute but yeah, there's many different ways to move around large distances very quickly. There's speed time. There's all different ways to to move around large distances very quickly. There's speed time. There's all kinds of things.
Speaker 1:I love it. I have to contain my excitement, okay. So so you went to this training base, this training school place, in Alpha Centauri, on a planet in Alpha Centauri, with a lot of other galactic beings, and this was the first time that you'd ever seen. Now I know you mentioned to me another time that you met a reptilian, that you had an experience with a reptilian that was on Earth.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that you met a reptilian that you had an experience with, a reptilian that was on earth, so I'd love for you to tell us about that again. But I'd also love to hear about what it was like for you to encounter beings that were non human, other beings, and a variety of them, for the first time.
Speaker 2:So I'm a very non judgmentalal non. I mean I don't really get shocked that easily. Um, I was more excited than anything. But, um, the reptilian was different. That was a, I was 15. It was we.
Speaker 2:It was part of a call it a field trip with the projects um, where we went to houston, went to an underground base there.
Speaker 2:They showed us and started teaching us about different alien races. They were prepping me to be ready for the future, um, and so they brought up holographic images of these different types of beings, like, opened them up, showed me, like, how they breathe, what they ate, who they were, and then, within just a few minutes after that, took me into another room and there was a nine foot tall giant reptilian with wings sitting on like a literal throne. Giant reptilian with wings, sitting on like a literal throne because he was royalty, so they had, he had his own throne and he didn't. He didn't even look at me. He spoke telepathically, he didn't even look at me and he just said you don't have to fear me today. And I was paralyzed by the just him speaking to me at all. It sounded like there was like a whole bunch of loud hissing noises in my head and it was just the most terrifying thing that could ever happen to a little, you know, teenager who has no idea what's going on.
Speaker 1:Um, did you have occasion to meet to meet him again?
Speaker 2:not him and but definitely met a couple other reptilians. Some like different types of reptilians, because the ones with wings are royalty. The ones that don't have wings are of a lesser. They're just called lesser, draconians or lesser. There's different names for them.
Speaker 1:Elena Danone calls them draconians or psychars, but um, which is just a name I used in my book because it was easily referenced by her Um right, because there are many, many different races as well, and, and not all you know, we, we, they have a reputation as being bad or evil, but again, that's like saying that all humans are, whatever you know, bad, right, so, um, and, and I I don't know if this is accurate, but the information that that I have and that feels right, says that they, that the, reptilians are actually been here far longer than humans have on this planet.
Speaker 2:I'm not sure, but I do know they're not the only ones that are here. So they're like I tried to. There is this strong narrative of like the reptilians ruling the world and I'm not going to say that they don't try or they don't want that, but they don't have that. That's what I'm going to say. There is many other factions of other ET life and beings that are more helpful and loving and that will not allow them to just take over everything, like that's just not going to happen.
Speaker 1:Right, right, Okay. So reptilians are one of the species, the other species that are currently sharing space on the planet with us, but they're not the only ones planet with us, but they're not the only ones. So what kind of beings did you meet?
Speaker 2:out there in Alpha Centauri. Me having specific recollections of each being that I've met in general is hard. I've met round gelatinous beings that have tiny arms and legs. I've met giant nine foot spiders. Um, oh my god, nice and sweet and loving. Um, oh, really yes, and I've met, um, some of them were. Some of them were like lionesses or like had like feminine feline features, but they were humanoid. A lot of them were humanoid. Um, especially a lot in the school was humanoid, just because it was more accommodating to a school environment for that, uh, there's like mantis beings. I mean, I'm just naming the ones that, um are easily rememberable for me. There's so many that for me to it just it's like watching the Star Wars movie. They're everywhere, there are tons of them everywhere. So like I don't you know different kinds.
Speaker 1:So that that doesn't sound like it was much of a surprise to you. You you know it sounds like you just kind of took that in stride.
Speaker 2:I have always believed in magic. I have always believed in other creatures. I have always believed in angels and in fairies and in like. I knew it was real. It wasn't a question to me if it was real or not. It was more silly to me that other people didn't believe that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I get that, I get that. Wow. So, in terms of communication, I mean, obviously they're probably not speaking English. Was it a lot of telepathic communication or other kinds of communication?
Speaker 2:I had an implant that that attuned all alien speech into English and we all had our own like little notepads that are like clear, translucent, clear, with holographic images on it. So each one of us would have like our own language on those notepads, as we're like taking notes or listening. But there was always technology that made sure everybody could understand everyone wow, that's fascinating, yeah.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's the way it's almost. It's almost predictable, though, right, because like, how else would it be if you had these types of technologies? Like, of course it would be more simple and things would be easier and less stressful and segregated and all that so what were, uh, what were these other beings there to learn?
Speaker 2:Different jobs, of different job types. Like I was doing psychology, some of them would be doing fighting infantry supplies, um different type of military work which those are the basics Like. Um, some of them want to be, you know, pilots, some of them, it just depends. It's very militarized.
Speaker 1:So okay, and and then, in terms of like, I mean other other creatures and other beings and how they breathe, like, were you in an atmosphere that was like earth's atmosphere? Could everybody, uh, survive easily in this shared environment?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and if they couldn't, most, so most beings, the beings that were there, or the most beings that I encountered, were ones that had learned to their planet, had something else, but they had learned to adapt their DNA so they could change their DNA to wherever they wanted Most beings, and so anybody there. That technology was available to make sure that everybody could be comfortable, for sure, right.
Speaker 1:And so would you say that all the, that, most of the other beings that you encountered, came from civilizations that were way, way, way more advanced than ours right now?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and they let me know. You know it was um they were. I was the lowest man on the totem pole, being a girl, being a human girl. Um, that was why the commander of the moon base sent me to officer school in the first place. He's like nobody will take you seriously if you're not um of some high kind of rank, like she said. It would just be miserable for me.
Speaker 1:So that was very great, okay, and so the, the commander on the moon, is a woman yes, yes, of that base, yeah, of that base. Okay, so, and there's more than one base over there that you could go to? Oh, I'm sure yeah it's huge. Why don't they want us to know that there are humans and other beings living on the moon?
Speaker 2:Well, because people are going to project their own story onto whatever it is the information they hear, right? So, if you say there is a collective of many different species of beings hanging out on the moon, people are going to be freaked out. They're going to be like what do they want? You know they're gonna. It's just because this world has segregated itself into like countries. Right, we have this country against that country.
Speaker 2:Well, it's that that's going to be projected as something that's going on there. Like, are they going to come kill us? Is this you know what I mean? Like, and there's no way to verify that they're not like. You can't meet every being that's on the moon and have them tell you we're not going to come here and hurt you. We are busy, we got our own things and we're not worried about you. Um, but to get fear is a very powerful, potent energy. That, um, I know that this world is trying to prevent, but I think that by doing that, it's just festering it, you know and it's bringing out all kinds of wildness, so I hope it comes out soon.
Speaker 1:I mean, obviously I'm here to be a part of that, but right, right, um, uh, jumping off point maybe for some of your adventures, but, um, what seems to make the most sense to me is that they, they, the? Um the resistance to disclosure is is as as amazing as the revelation of all of these other beings and species you know, and galactic brothers and sisters, as amazing as that revelation is. What they really don't want people on this planet to know is how advanced the technology is and how it hasn't been used to help us, and that we're like 400 years behind where we could be if, um, certain interests had not hoarded that technology and used it, um to perpetuate control systems and, um, you know, keep people in ignorance, um, and let people suffer when they could be, um, for example.
Speaker 1:I think, it got out of hand.
Speaker 2:Don't you think Like? For me it's like maybe in like the 50s. That's when you know some of the disclosure community has decided that's when it started. Or the US got involved was in the 50s, but I think it got out of hand. I think it was at first just not to scare people. And then it was like, oh, but we've held it back for this long. Now we got to keep holding it back. And then it's like, oh, shoot, now they're going to be mad if we tell them. You know.
Speaker 1:Exactly that feels right. I mean, they say that in 1953 is when gravity control or mastery, that gravity was mastered, let's say in 1953. So you know that's 70 something years ago. And here we are, you know, driving around like a bunch of chumps, you know in vehicles, and you know being subjected to a scarcity paradigm. And you know being subjected to a scarcity paradigm like we don't have enough of anything, we don't have enough energy, we don't know how to produce it, we don't know.
Speaker 1:No, that's not true, not true, you know and it's like I mean that's, it would be such a major shift in paradigm, moving from the the scarcity paradigm, where we just don't have enough of anything and we don't know how to produce energy, and it's it costs too much and it's labor intensive and it's this to, uh, you know, just pulling energy out of the vacuum.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, you're a point when, when they've known for you know the better part of a century how to do that, yes, and just kind of kept it to themselves. So that's where the I mean obviously there are many, many converging and diverging interests at play here when it comes to disclosure, but I mean, that's personally. What I'm even equally excited about, you know, is the revelation of advanced technology. Alongside the. You know what it will be like to actually, you know, meet and be aware of other beings.
Speaker 2:Well it is and I don't mean to diminish what it is, I'm it would be only that way for a little while. Right, you'd meet them and then we'd move on and like that, right, we'd create these cool trades and like, but there is, like, there's a part of me that's like recognizes that some people aren't ready. Like it's one thing to have, um, where we can carry a weapon, right, it's one thing. It's another thing to be willing to do that for egoic, silly reasons, right. So if we could get people to be a little more mature, then we could really start stepping into this. Because, like, yes, as there are other people's agendas to prevent this from happening, we also got to think about all of these people who are like trigger happy and scared and mean and rude. You know, like those people aren't.
Speaker 2:I love them, I love everyone entirely, but those people can't come with. You know what I mean. Like they. They're not, that's not. We already look like children. That's not. We already look like children. Like that's how humans are seen by the rest of the galaxy. Only because we haven't graduated past that yet.
Speaker 1:You know, like having any beings that are that way well, I completely um see where you're coming from and I and I agree with that, I mean it. It seems to me that part of I mean there's the the question of evolution of consciousness. Right, consciousness evolves, it evolves in its own. You know rhythm, time, wherever you know everybody's on their evolutionary orbit and you know we can't push people to be further along than they are, and that's just part of how we evolve. So there's that side of it.
Speaker 1:And then there's also the difficulty and struggle of human beings on Earth. You know, for the last 12,000 years, let's say, give or take, you know where life has been made to be. Well, you talk about memory and mind control and all of that where you know we've been wiped so many times that we don't remember our past, we don't remember our history, we don't remember being visited, we don't remember our associations with, you know, galactic beings. We've forgotten so much more. I mean like what we've forgotten could fill more history books than ever existed. And the history that we have been given has been given to us and it's not necessarily a true history, right? So then you add into it the pressure of you know this paradigm of struggle and scarcity and control. You know. And so you've got people who are brainwashed over generations and generations to feel small, to not have any access to their true power, to feel like you know they're subjected to life and you know when technology exists and has existed that could eradicate poverty, that could more or less, eradicate disease and all of that.
Speaker 1:I mean if, if more people had more access to all of that and realized oh wait, a second. You know abundance is a principle in the universe. Energy is, is infinite, you infinite, we are immortal, we've always been here, always will, and that the human being is so special because it is a fractal of the entire universe and other beings not necessarily all of them, but I guess a lot of them know that and you know so, even if we are still evolving to understand that and the implications of that. I mean that is like the biggest news in the universe that we've got all of that within us in an infinitesimal point. I mean, so I can understand why we would be seen as children. But you know, we're not children, we're very old souls. And the ones who are here now, you know, even if we don't remember, on some level we know exactly why we're here, because we're here for this moment and for this revelation and disclosure and stepping into our sovereignty as beings. You know, side by side and on equal terms with other civilizations, even if they are far more advanced than we are. You know, in terms of technology, I think you know.
Speaker 1:For me, anyway, it feels like that's what I feel, like I've been waiting my whole life for this moment of disclosure, because it's our, it's finally when we get to be like, yes, yes, we've been waiting so long for this. You know, let's step into our power, let's remember who we are, let's remember why we came here for this experiment, and and you know, and let's celebrate. Let's celebrate what it is to be human, the most amazing thing in the universe with the help of our brothers and sisters from all around out there. But I'm not a contactee. I haven't had an experience like that. I don't know why or why not. It's just, that's just my path. My life, you know, is what it's been. I have to find that stuff inside myself. But that's why it's such a thrill to speak with someone like you and to hear you know about these real, uh, real life happenings that are coming back in. You know, and, and like disclosure, revelation is the order of the day. Nothing can be hidden anymore.
Speaker 2:No Disclosure, revelation is the order of the day. Nothing can be hidden anymore. No, and that's where the so, just like, if we talk about astrology a little bit, we talk about how each planet was identified once an evolution or revolution had happened on the planet. Right, once you, we got telescopes, which was huge, huge for us. Then we could see farther and farther away, so that coincides with the evolution of the human mind and body, at the same time meaning the farther that we can project and see outwards is the farther we get to see inwards. And so, as we evolve, there's also this the hundred month cookie effect, right, where 99 of them start to learn something.
Speaker 2:So you and I are going in deep learning about who. We are remembering that part which is like the more important part for me, you know, the internal understanding of who I am, where I came from, lives before this, other lives happening right now, like that's cooler to me than this meeting of other beings, because that was already like duh to me. I was like, of course that's, you know, I mean it. Just it wasn't abnormal for me to think that way.
Speaker 1:I've always been that kind of person, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I think, uh, yeah, I mean that's. Uh, I can really identify with that. I, I've, I've, I've never that.
Speaker 1:it just never occurred to me that it could be otherwise you know, of course there of course, and, and yeah, and so for me it's just about getting you know, having enough courage to be like, well, I'm just going to be a talk openly about these things that make total sense to me and, you know, not be concerned about what anybody thinks about it, and I'm sure that's old, like old past life resonances about, you know, when you get. You got killed in the old days for you know, um, for speaking your truth or talking about things that you shouldn't talk about, so, um, so tell us more, morgan, about, um, some of your, the highlights of your, your time beyond this planet.
Speaker 2:Okay, so when I was in that officer school in office in Terry, um, my boyfriend who had had come with me we had been there, you know like four or five, we were about to graduate, so like almost five years at that time he ended up telling me he was having an affair back on earth with my sister, which is terrible. But I had become interested in one of my teachers who was a female. I think it's Rahanian I want to see if I can say it right. Rahanian, something like that, from Raya. She was from Raya, so she had pointy ears, but she otherwise looked like a human.
Speaker 2:She was a little bit shorter than me, she was beautiful and majestic and she was. She had clairvoyance, she had all these clairsentience, she had all of this like magical powers that these things that I have now that I understand what they are now. But back then it just made her very magical and so her and I ended up starting to date. She passed a note to me as I was walking across the stage to graduate the course for officer school and it told me to meet her somewhere and she kissed me there for the first time and then she's the one that actually told me about the affair kind of that my boyfriend was having so she wanted to let me know. But we ended up getting together and going on a classified mission to a Stargate facility. So it was very hush hush. It was a black Mac disc and suspended in space there was a manmade Stargate which is very much like the TV show Stargate. If you ever seen that, it was very similar.
Speaker 1:I missed what you said about the black something hanging in space. A black what? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:It was a black matte disc hanging in space, like it was very um, it was hidden Right, so it was like as black as it could get so that nobody could see, um that it was there. It was just very classified. But yeah, there was a Stargate in the middle and we went in teams of three me, her and a guy. We had little buggies which were air gravity, anti-gravity propulsion little cars. They're like cars, but one was a tank, one was a supply vehicle and then one was an artillery unit which was used for fighting if we needed it.
Speaker 2:Excuse me, we went to different planets to check out and see if we could find life or if we could end up going there in case something happened to Earth or if we needed another planet or just for whatever reason. Um, so I went on 12 missions to do that what we once a month. Um, it was terrifying and scary and when two people died from our team and it's just, it was a very intense thing because you didn't know what was going to be there. When you got there, you can only guess, like what the? You know what the place was made out of.
Speaker 1:You mean, when you went through the Stargate, you didn't know what to expect on the other side? Yeah, was the Stargate created or was it a natural occurrence?
Speaker 2:That was a man-made um Stargate. Um, there are, and it connects to the natural portals all over the galaxy or however far it can reach. So each Stargate is going to be different. Um, there's very few of them. It's a very sacred technology, it's a very um, and yes, there are portals on earth too okay, that are also stargates no, so the stargate itself connects to the portal, so the stargate is a portal, so it can't okay on its man-made so when you say man-made, you don't mean by humans, though. No, definitely not human.
Speaker 1:I don't know how to describe it, but definitely not human A being made, it was made by some being yeah, and so like a shortcut, basically, to another part of the galaxy. Okay, so when I mean I'm thinking about how difficult it is, how challenging it is to organize leadership on earth and, you know, initiatives and coordinate things who was who? Who decides, like? What decision-making bodies are operating out there in space with all of this like infinite number of beings from infinite worlds? I mean, who is deciding what the directives are and why, Like? What are the priorities? What are? Is what's going on here on earth a priority? We'll have to wait until the next episode to hear the answer to that question, I'm afraid. Thank you for being with us for this second installment of my conversation with Morgan. I know this information can be a lot to take in. I mean, it stretches the boundaries of what we've been taught is possible, that's for sure. And yet, as you may be feeling, there's something deeply resonant in the truths that she's sharing.
Speaker 1:In our next and final episode of this series, Morgan is going to take us through her return to earth after 220 and back tours. We'll talk about the devastating effects of having her memories wiped, the sense of disorientation and alienation she felt, her descent into addiction and homelessness and, most importantly, her incredible process of healing and recovery. A spontaneous and powerful Kundalini awakening at the age of 33 was the catalyst that opened the floodgates of her memory and began her path of integration, spiritual awakening and service. There are a few more wild stories from her time in the Secret Space program coming your way in part three, but the heart of it is about recovery, remembrance and what it means to reclaim your life after unthinkable experiences. So make sure you're subscribed to the Grace Space. Keep an eye out in a couple of weeks for the final installment in this astonishing journey. Until then, stay curious, stay open and, as always, walk in grace.
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