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Hustle Her - Christie
Have you ever wondered how embracing courage could transform your life? Join us for a candid conversation with Christie Hunter-Arscott, advisor, speaker, and author of "Begin Boldly," as she shares her wisdom on authentic interactions, the importance of deeper conversations, and the power of choosing courage over confidence. Christie reveals the happiest moments of her life, often spent with family by the sea, and highlights her extraordinary ability to connect with people from all walks of life. From her favorite color to her allegiance to Somerset in Cup Match, we paint a vivid picture of Christie's vibrant and multi-faceted personality.
Together, we navigate the journey from childhood dreams to reality, discussing the impact of childhood asthma on sports participation and the creative vs. athletic dichotomy. Christie and I explore the societal pressures children face about future careers, advocating for broader aspirations and identities over rigid professional paths. Reflecting on our teenage years and unpredictable career trajectories, we emphasize the importance of using one’s voice and gifts for meaningful impact, rather than being confined by a single professional label.
Christie also opens up about the complexities of balancing marriage, motherhood, and career, sharing personal anecdotes about her life with her husband Ramon, a distinguished MD. We delve into the challenges of interracial parenting, the importance of a supportive partnership, and the joys of rediscovering personal identities as mothers. This episode is packed with invaluable insights and practical advice for women striving for personal and professional growth, making it a must-listen for anyone seeking inspiration and empowerment. Tune in and be inspired to live boldly and authentically!
I'm a hustler baby. It's time for Hustle Her podcast. I'm your host, Deshae Caines. Hustle Her is all about inspiring women through real life experiences that have helped to mold and develop not only me, of motivation, a bit of tough love and some actionable takeaways to be the best. You, girl, you are in the right place. Hey guys, this episode is brought to you by Scudamart. At Scudamart, you can buy, sell or rent a bike with them. Make sure you head over to their Hamilton location on Church Street or their pageant location on Lover's Lane, or them on wwwscootamarbm. Hey guys, and welcome back to Hustle Heart Podcast. As always, thank you for spending some time with me today. I really do appreciate it. Big shout out to our season sponsors, 59 Front and Brown Company. Also, thank you to Scootamar for supporting this episode today. So I am incredibly excited about my guest today. Not only is she my friend, but she is an advisor, she is a speaker and she is an author of the amazing book Begin Boldly, Miss Christy Hunter.
Speaker 2:Asghar, how are you? I'm good. Thanks for having me, jashea.
Speaker 1:Yes, thank you for being here. I appreciate it. Awesome, let's get started. Let's go. Are you ready? Yeah, she has given us permission to have a very candid conversation, so we're excited.
Speaker 2:One thing actually. It relates to my research. I didn't even say that. I told to Shay that she can ask me anything and everything. We also have done zero prep. We have not even done a call. I have no idea what she's gonna ask. So that might be a testament to both of our schedules and lives exactly, but it also means that it'll be real and raw and off the cuff and I love that I.
Speaker 2:In my research I found that women, and generally, want to know the woman behind the bio we don't want just the shiny, you know headshots and accolades and this is where they went to school, yeah, and so I think that there's such a need for deeper conversation I totally agree and I'm always happy what you're doing.
Speaker 1:Thank you, I appreciate it. I'm always happy when people allow that as well, because sometimes people want to, you know, kind of navigate the conversation from behind of a lens a bit, and so when you're giving carte blanche to kind of acts whatever in a very respectful way, like I tell people all the time I'm not tmz, like I'm not trying to break a story, so that is not what we're doing here, so I'm very happy about that. All right, so we're going to start with a few rapid fires and then we'll we'll dig in.
Speaker 2:Sure, cool, all right, I'm happiest when can I give multiple yes, so one is definitely around my family, okay, um, which is, you know, traditional but very, very true for me, and the other is in honor, under the water. I am truly, truly happiest by the sea, which is why I feel so lucky to live here.
Speaker 1:I know, I know, I know. I love going by the water, especially when it's like a calm, flat day. It's like perfection.
Speaker 2:And it makes you feel so small like gives you such perspective on life.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, totally agree, all right, what is your biggest strength?
Speaker 2:I would say I would say one thing I definitely feel about myself is that I love interacting with people from all walks of life. I think Bermuda and my upbringing really contributed to that, because you have this like mix match of an amazing society all condensed into a smaller space and just to build upon that, not just having a superficial level of conversation with people, like going deeper in those interactions with people absolutely okay.
Speaker 1:Um, all right, let's go a little lighter, favorite color like a turquoise sea color we'll give it away, okay and um, tell me a little, okay, no, I know it just passed and I think I know the answer. But who's your cut match team Somerset? No, really, I'm excited. I would have assumed, I assume.
Speaker 2:St George's. No, so the she would know this, but I I was born and raised in Somerset, in Covello Bay area, at the bottom of. Scottsdale and spent my entire childhood there, and now we live in St George's, but I am diehard red and blue. There we go, my son went before he could talk was in red and blue. Now he is, you know, defected.
Speaker 1:But yeah, they come out of you. You can't even trust them Like that time of the year you just can't do it.
Speaker 2:Born in Somerset, living in St George's.
Speaker 1:Okay, I'm pleasantly surprised, I was not expecting that answer answer and it, but that's okay.
Speaker 2:All right, tell me about the perfect date night with your husband so we had a really great one last night, actually, and so I'll speak to that. Um, we went out. Uh well, these two individuals invited us over to their house and, um, they're both originally from abroad. Amazing individual, completely different walks of life in their 70s. I love that, and one of them is Ramon's patient. Then one of them is like a friend of a friend. Conversations around life, marriage, relationship, family, pursuits of joy, adventure, physical fitness, health, and my husband and I originally connected because of our love of interacting with all people and all walks of life and it's harder to carve that out. But those moments of like intergenerational friendships, wisdom sharing, sitting at a table together and asking questions with people over a meal I'm pregnant, I would have preferred if I could have drank wine, but it's all good, but yeah, it was just beautiful and I love those kind of moments.
Speaker 1:Okay, I love that. And then, finally, we're all about the skincare routines here, ever since we had a long day on the podcast, so tell me about how you keep that skin so great, so this is actually one of my other passions.
Speaker 2:So yes, so I am. I always describe myself as multi passionate and actually you don't know this about me, so it's a great question. So I run the skin, I help run the skincare side of our Scott plastic surgery.
Speaker 1:Did not know that.
Speaker 2:So for almost 10 years I've been researching medical grade skincare, attending the conferences, trained in it, bringing in and sourcing our products for a range of ethnicities and backgrounds and concerns, particularly looking at women's health and kind of the stages you go through from puberty to childbearing years to menopause and beyond and how that waxes and wanes. And I actually was diagnosed with basal cell cancer when I was in my early twenties and so I'm super passionate about sun protection. So that's a little bit. I was like you got way more than you expected. It's okay, I'm okay with that, I love that. But, um, I we have this line that I absolutely love. That's called skin better science and, um, so I swear by it and, uh, really enjoy it. But my biggest thing for people is find a trusted provider who uses medicine and evidence to help you with your routine.
Speaker 2:And, um, sephora, you could go in there and no, I spend a lot of money in there still, but um, but you could go in and be subject to marketing and so many things matter how things are, what container they're in, are they oxidized, what kind of dropper they have, are they exposed, what element? And we're so subject as women. They like prey on our fears around skin. Yeah, so I would say less is more. Find someone to guide you through the different stages of life, the different seasons.
Speaker 1:So absolutely, because I'm telling you what I used to do with my skin when I was in high school, early college. I could not do now I'd break out in a heartbeat like your skin evolves as you get older and no one tells you about those things, which is kind of totally so I'm talking about that when it's funny.
Speaker 2:Funny because, like young me, wouldn't have gone on this. You know, show, six and a half months pregnant, all of these things. And today I woke up and I was breaking out and there were all of these different things going on and you kind of learn that there's no perfect condition, perfect skin, perfect physical condition, perfect mindset. You just you're never ready, you just have to go do it, and so I think that's so important to know, but also know that there's no silver bullet for things in life. It's all an experiment and at different stages you're going to have to be trying different things.
Speaker 1:Absolutely. Yeah, I love that. All right, christy, so let's take it back. Tell me about little Christy. What were you like as a child? What did you like to get into? Like? Were you outspoken? Were you quiet? Fill me in all the details.
Speaker 2:Oh gosh, I feel like a mix of all of those things. At different stages, I've always felt feelings very deeply, okay so, and I'm still like that, like when I feel an emotion, like when I feel sadness or grief or love or distress about the state of the world, I feel it like and it is sometimes at some point all consuming. And as a child I was also like that. Um, I'm also someone that, on top of being feeling, is very analytical and like, takes a step back and looks at interactions and the ways of the world. And I feel like I was also like that as a child.
Speaker 2:I was very aware from a young age of like in groups and out groups and who was being left out, and I feel like I had that awareness from the time I was like seven. Um, I think I had a lot of, I think there was like that I liked to use my voice, but a lot of as I got older, particularly, I feel like 10 onwards, you start to get or at least I did this awareness of like things you should be self-conscious of, or your own kind of barriers that you put up for yourself, and then you kind of take some of your twenties and thirties on working. That, which is part of the reason I wrote the book, is like we all deal with those internal dialogues and questions and everything.
Speaker 1:Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but I also love to be by the sea. I loved art, a lot of things that are still me. I loved yeah.
Speaker 1:Okay. So when you, when I said, when I say little and little, Christy, like what did you like to do for fun as well, Like were you into sports? How old Christy, like what did you?
Speaker 2:like to do for fun as well. Like, were you into sports? How old? Okay, let's say eight. So, um, eight.
Speaker 2:I loved art, um, and I put that on hold for a long time for other activities and pursuits and I find that at this stage of my life, like I'm delving into that so much more and it's part of my passion for interiors and interior styling, like I did our practice, the medical practice, I've done our home, multiple other spaces, and like that is almost like a form of artistic expression which I love. Um, I loved being outdoors, which I still do, and it's so interesting as you get older and you're researching younger, like there's all of these studies around why walking outside in bare feet is grounding, or being by the ocean is this, or beings in sunlight early in the morning, and I feel like from a young child, those were things that I really enjoyed, um, I really enjoyed and, if we're looking a little bit further out, um, doing things in honor under the water. So one thing I did as a child was my dad was big into freediving, lobstering, spearfishing, and we were fortunate enough to live on the water, and I was big into public speaking and debating, I think from the time I was like 10 or 11. But it was amazing because there was this activity that brought complete silence and perspective in a world for me that was so, I guess, dominated by speech and ideas and debating. You know, you're 12 years old and they're telling you to debate. You know apartheid and they're telling you to debate euthanasia, and these are all really heavy topics for that age and like something about getting under the water and just testing yourself physically was really enlightening.
Speaker 2:Um, the last thing I would say. I mean, you said what did you do? I'll tell you what I didn't do. I was not good at sports, um, and I was severely asthmatic, and if you talk to the PE teachers at BHS, they'll still talk about, um, me and my pump and being pulled to the side and then walking me to my mom's office and worried that something would happen, and so that was always a struggle for me, um, but over the years I was really, really dedicated to like improving my fitness so that I could have better lung capacity, better lung control, all of these different aspects, and it's not the end all be all of asthma control. But one of the things I'm still proudest of is like when that little girl who couldn't run from her house to her neighbor's house can now well, not at six and a half months pregnant, but typically run further and invest in that, so that's something that was interesting.
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely no. It's so interesting when you ask different people about the childhood and what activities they kind of got into. It's. I love when people are like I was very creative, right, and then it's almost always I was creative but I didn't play sports. Like it's so weird how that happens sometimes and just just from doing the podcast, like I've never done any you know significant research on it. But just with those me someone always says I was very creative but I just was not into sports at all. It's like very, very, very consistent. When it comes to that, I think I would be into sports if I was capable.
Speaker 2:But let's be clear, I was clearly incapable. Yes, the asthma.
Speaker 1:The asthma took you out, and that's okay.
Speaker 1:It's nothing wrong with that at all because I'm not creative at all, but I did play a few sports growing up, but that that was it. I couldn't draw a straight line if, if, I tried. But you know it is what it is. Oh my, you know the sip and painting things that people do and mine are always awful, like I'm like come just draw it on here and I'll just fill it in. Like it's just too much after that. But when you think of like who you were as like a teenager and who you kind of wanted, what you wanted to do when you went to school, university, this road scholar, um, and you went to Oxford, all of things Like what would you say was like something that was pivotal in kind of shaping who you wanted to be, career wise, in those formative teen years.
Speaker 2:I don't think I knew who I wanted to be career wise, and I actually like feel pretty strongly like we shouldn't ask kids what they want to be when they grow up.
Speaker 2:Because I think it's so much put so much pressure on a singular identity and a singular profession when one the professions that they're going into with AI and all these developments are going to look so much different. But then the other thing is like we can have multifaceted lives and careers, and sometimes careers are an integral part of our identity in life and sometimes they're not, and I think it would be better to ask people who they want to be Like. I think I knew I wanted to use my voice and the, the gifts that I've been given and I mean this in the in the broadest sense, like the ability to have an education, the ability to have mentors, great parents, like a community that supported me, exposure to different things for an impact on issues that I cared about. But I don't think I knew what that looked like. I don't think in my wildest dreams I could have imagined a career like I have now ever.
Speaker 2:So I don't think I knew.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, I totally agree with you about asking kids, uh, what they want to be. And my dad said to me when I was going into university he was like I think you should go in undecided. Um, and he was like because all of your life 100. He was like all of your life people have told you because you're outspoken, you know bossy, all the things girls that had strong personalities get labeled aggressive, all of those things that we now know are bad.
Speaker 1:Oh, you should be a lawyer because, okay, great, you speak, whatever. Um, he was like I don't think you want to be a lawyer. He was like I don't think that that's what you want to do. And he was like I think you should go in undecided and kind of figure it out. And of course, I knew it all at 18 and I was like how could you say that to me? Blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:And literally halfway through my my degree, I was like I do not want to be a lawyer, like I was pretty adamant about it and like I was working in a law firm on my internships and I was just like this is literally awful. And my mom was. I was like I couldn't do this for the rest of my life and my mom's an educator. So she was. I wanted to change my major. She was like well, you're over halfway through this degree, so you're probably gonna need to do a double because you're not wasting my money.
Speaker 1:But literally, and when I changed my major, my dad was like he just kind of looked at me and I was like we're not even going to talk about it. But I wish I would have listened to him because I would have saved myself extra time, because he was 1000% right, like I've never. And I tell people that now people kind of look at you like you're crazy. I'm like if you're not sure, it's okay, you can figure it out. Especially if you're going to school in the US. Like those first two years are just, you know, regular classes anyway, like prereqs.
Speaker 2:They're not like actually into whatever degree it is that you're doing I don't think you know till you try either, like I remember being at this point of indecision indecision after my grad school in Oxford and being like I don't know what I want to pursue job wise and you don't just suddenly like, like your finger, put it up and like, oh I know, like you don't know till you, experiment and try and that's a lot of the themes in the book.
Speaker 2:But same with me to share like I was pegged to be a lawyer, I was a debater, I was on the national debate team, I was head girl, I was always speaking. I did politics in my undergrad like.
Speaker 2:I cared about. You know human rights issues and there and I tried different trajectories. You know exploring and experimenting and I came to the realization that this could have been an option, but this wasn't the option. And it's really important to think about how we instill the critical thinking skills in the next generation, to really be curious and ask the hard questions. Is this what I want, or is this society? What are they telling me what I should be?
Speaker 1:No, I totally agree. I and I genuinely my dad's probably like if he watches this he'll be laughing, like I told you. So like you say it now. But you know, you're absolutely right. And we had this stigma on girls growing up, especially in Bermuda, like if you were outspoken and you, you know, did speech and debate or youth parliament or any of those types of things. We were all told to be lawyers. Like I can think of all of my closest friends, similar personalities, were all told to be lawyers growing up. And it's just, I don't think any of us are but, um, it's just crazy.
Speaker 2:That was what was, you know, put on all of us to just kind of do because you, you were outspoken at the time, just growing up but I think that's why you know hustle her and platforms like this are so important, because one thing I'm really passionate about is this there's this saying you cannot be what you cannot see, and aspirations directly linked to visibility and um.
Speaker 2:I've shared this with people that I'm close with and there's a lot of research around this. But if you see this model where it's like people that do debate, do politics, end up as lawyers, that's the only thing that you think is possible for you. But if you're like gosh, you know Deshae went into this work and is doing communications and podcasts and DEI work and inclusion and culture, and you know there may be another trajectory. Or you know Christy started in consulting with Deloitte and worked in the U S and then, you know, was doing people in performance and then transitioned to a portfolio entrepreneurial career and was an author. There's so many things where, if you raise the visibility on these platforms that little outspoken, bossy girl who's being labeled as one thing we'll start to question what else is possible for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, totally, and I'm so grateful for, like, we have definitely have mutual friends that did different things. You know okay and and it. What we see now is that it's okay and you're successful in it, and you speak about it in the book, about trying new things or whatever. Like no one's career trajectory is the same. That's the first thing, but then also trying new things is also. I would have never thought, one, that I'd be sitting here right now 10 years ago, and two, that I will be working in an insurance company, not doing insurance, but doing DEI work Like that's crazy, like I would have never thought that 10 years ago.
Speaker 1:But speaking of that, which was probably would have almost been 10 years ago Now, I don't know if you remember this, but my first interaction with you was you were the speaker at I think it was called Women in Finance at the time and it was at the B&G and you were the speaker there and it was great. I remember the story you told about your husband and his birthday, the whole thing, and that was my first introduction with you. And then I was working somewhere at the time you came and you spoke there and I remember thinking then that was my first real introduction to DEI and I wonder how was it in that space advocating for, I guess, women, more so in a time when it isn't as prevalent as it has been in the past, like four years, like how difficult or if anything, was it kind of being someone advocating for things that people just weren't talking about then being someone advocating for things that people just weren't talking about, then yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 2:So one thing was when I went to Brown I did a lot of work on gender, sexuality, race inclusion, and I found those interests kind of forming even more during that time. And then I got the Rhodes Scholarship to go to Oxford and most Rhodes scholars at the time had done law or medicine or you know those kinds of trajectories.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And the. Even in my Rhodes interview, one of the questions was why not law? And in a room of many lawyers who were interviewing me and, um, I was like I want to focus on women. And I was the second Rhodes Scholar ever in the entire world to do women's studies and the program was only 10 years old, it was still fairly new at Oxford and people I even had a friend come up to me years later and they were like we heard you got the Rhodes Scholarship and you were going to do women's studies and we were like what's she going to do with that? And at the time a newspaper article was written up about me and it started with most Rhodes scholars go to Oxford to do medicine, law and other like prestigious degrees, but Christie's going to do women's studies.
Speaker 2:And so I think your question's right on point because at the time, um, particularly among, I think, my generation people were like Christie, why are you doing this? This is our mother's generation battle. Like, if you look at the civil rights movement movements of the 60s and 70s, if you look at women's right to vote, like all of those like why is this still an issue? And I don't think it was on the forefront of people's minds in the way that it is, or at least not my generation, in the way that it is now. Um, the only silver lining of some of the atrocities we've seen politically, um, and human rights wise worldwide, has been that my focus and area of passion has become from a sideline issue to a mainline issue. So no one ever questions anymore why reproductive rights or why you know additional things like protections for for children or for mothers, for you know, women in the workforce are an issue, and so I think now there's that consciousness. But yeah, it was. I did have to justify myself a hundred percent.
Speaker 1:But what was the driving, I guess force, behind wanting to be an advocate for women and learning about women's studies? Because I shouldn't say because what I just want to know what, what was?
Speaker 2:that I told this story on a podcast. When my book came out, I someone asked me a similar question and I shared this story. They were like when did you first start to care about this? And I couldn't think like I was, like I, I don't even remember, I just remember always caring about this. And then I thought long and hard and I was like I just remember always caring about this. And then I thought long and hard and I was like you know what?
Speaker 2:I remember when, when it was, and I was around 11 years old, and my drama teacher at VHS came up to me and said, um, I think you should try out for our public speaking team. And I was like, okay, um, I'll give it a shot. And she said go home and write a three minute speech and come in tomorrow and audition with everyone. And I said, okay, so I had 11, three minutes, Wow. So I went home, Somerset, and knocked on my uh, on the rectory door of my priest at the church and I said I want to interview you. And he's like what, Christie, what are you doing here, Right? And he's like okay, come into the church. So we went to the back and I said to him I want to know why women can't be priests in the Catholic church. And he looked at me and he said okay, I'll walk you through, like what, what the rationale is in the institution.
Speaker 2:But you know, then you can take that and do what you may. So I did research and the next day I got in and I gave my speech on why women should be allowed to be priests in the Catholic church. And it was funny because the other um individuals who were trying out they spoke about like their vacations, their favorite ice cream, their food, and here I was like this valiant feminist at um 11, but I think I've always been aware of beyond women's social injustice and I went back to that point, like around the age of seven. I remember thinking why isn't this person invited to this birthday party? Why is this person isolated or sitting on their own? Why is this person someone that's like not in a certain group or clique at school? And I think it's that I never I wouldn't say I always cared about inclusion, but I was always triggered by exclusion and that then led me to where I am.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and most people don't realize is when people identify exclusion, they then want to be more inclusive. Right, and so I think it's spot on, and how inclusion works, because you don't just go into something. Well, now people do, because I think it's a bit more prevalent, like you said but, previously people, previously people were definitely like well and obviously everyone in their different groups, based on diversity, makeups and whatever that kind of looks like. But exclusion is was, I think, the genesis of why more people wanted to be included.
Speaker 2:Yes, definitely, and I think we don't use that word enough. You're right, like, but we all have our own experiences of exclusion. There is no way that, with our intersectional identities, every single one of us have felt included in every single setting, and so all of us can relate to exclusion. And when you extrapolate that, it makes us more powerful as, like, catalysts for inclusion.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's so crazy you say this and this is definitely not the path I wanted to go down but here we are, here we are, but like it's so true, because when I'm making diversity and inclusion something that is relevant to the person that I'm speaking to, I have to bring them back to the moment that they felt excluded, right, Like anytime that it is and it's usually a certain type of person that you have to do that too but then you're like this when you felt that this is what this segment of people person or gender or race feel like all the time when they walk into a room or in this particular situation, and it's almost like a light bulb goes off because they're like oh, I get it now and it's. It's just crazy to me that you just said that, because I've recently had to do that, and that the exclusion is what brought on the way that they now lead into being more inclusive in those situations.
Speaker 2:That's so powerful. I'm now thinking about the DEI space, and how can you start with something like tell me about a time you felt excluded, or like you were in an out group and all of us at some point. It doesn't matter a lunch table when we were in primary school, or a meeting or whatever. We've all had those. It's just because of demographics, certain people are then have a greater propensity to feel like that more often, which is then like they're the ones that are really losing out in our societies, our structures, our communities Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Kathy Duffy said something on a panel I can't remember when it was, but at least four years ago and she was like when it comes to diversity and inclusion, she was like it's only relevant, and I'm paraphrasing here she's like it only becomes relevant to people when it comes to diversity and inclusion, she was like it's only relevant, and I'm paraphrasing here she's like it only becomes relevant to people when it is personal to them, so it's not something that is so sad.
Speaker 1:So sad, but she was like. You know, most people don't have a view on, you know, the lgbtqia plus community until their daughter or their son or their cousin or someone they're close to comes out and says that they're a part of the community, or vice versa. Or, you know, your kid starts to date someone of the um, a different race or whatever that looks like, and then you're like, oh wow, you're now hyper aware of what they're dealing like because it's now personal to you and I use that in examples all the time and I and I always give Kathy, I give you your credit, girl but it um, it is something I use frequently, because when she said it it was like a light bulb went off, because I'm like people don't realize how something is, how what they say or their you know their tone towards something, until it becomes personal to them and then they become an advocate for things.
Speaker 1:It's crazy.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I digress because we can talk about this after.
Speaker 1:It's so insane. I was someone who was here before you. We were like let's not go down the rabbit hole of DEI, because we talk about equity all the time, and I was like I'm not going to do this with Christy and look where we are anyway switching gears a bit right. So you're phenomenal in everything that you do advisor, speaker, author. The book is amazing. Anyone who wants you can get it on Amazon.
Speaker 2:We'll talk about that at the end, um, but I want to know used to have them and Brown and Co had them.
Speaker 1:So yes, they did. I was in there the other day and I saw a few up in there. I believe, so that's great to you. Um, but I want to talk about Christy the wife. You tell me how you met your husband.
Speaker 2:So we were both on the road scholarship at Oxford. So Jamaica has one road scholar per year and Bermuda has one as well. And we actually met in Heathrow airport because he came up to Oxford the year before me and two road scholars are sent to get the incoming class that's coming over with the Americans, and, um, he was sent to get us. So I met him in Heathrow, then the bus and then I guess the rest is history. But there's a lot more messiness in between. But like any good, love story, yeah.
Speaker 1:So where is he from? What does he do? Because you did mention about the practice.
Speaker 2:I know these things, but I want everyone else, yeah sure so um Ramon's from Jamaica and he is an MD who did his DPhil at Oxford and immunology looking at different um cancer treatments and then went on to do his general surgical residency in the U S. Um started at Penn and transferred to Harvard and finished there and then did his plastic surgery residence and training um across mass gen and Brigham and Beth Israel in the Harvard program there, and so we were living in Philly and Boston for a while and then movedam and Beth Israel in the Harvard program there, and so we were living in Philly and Boston for a while and then moved home and is the sole plastic surgeon on island. So he does a mix of everything from the reconstructive the burns, the accidents, the skin cancers, the breast cancers to the cosmetic, which are real and valid concerns for individuals, whether it be, you know, eyes, facelifts, whether it be injectables, whether it be body, whether it be, you know, mothers post childbirth.
Speaker 1:So it's a wide range, wide range of things. Yeah, I love that. And you mentioned about having the practice together. Like what was that? Was that always the goal of building this practice together, or did it kind of just like build?
Speaker 2:So we knew what the structure of the economy. So it was interesting Like he had an offer to stay at Harvard and I was desperate to raise our child at home. Um, I think Bermuda is one of the most magical places on earth when it comes to childhood. And, um, he said, yep, let's you know that's fine, and that he talked to some surgeons here and there was a need around what he could provide. So we moved and we did have the intention of setting up a practice because, um, most surgeons are in private practice in Bermuda, not hired by the hospital, and then they do some operations at the hospital. We did not have the plan of building Bermuda's first outpatient surgical suite. So, um, we were here and then, because of certain different market forces or the need for more operative time, we ended up going down the route of trying to expand access to care on Island and building a surgical suite as well as a practice. So that was the shift and change Um. So that was the shift and change Um.
Speaker 2:And yeah, it was a wild few years. I mean, we've had that, we've um. That all happened during COVID. We had a young child. Um, we did a 14 months long distance when we first had our child because he was in his final year of residency. Um, we moved like 10 times in 10 years or something. We, you know there were multiple things. So it was complex and full on for a while. I definitely was a little bit MIA for a few years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, definitely I know, because I think when I first moved back I didn't I don't think we knew each other at all, and then it was like you started coming back.
Speaker 2:I was in hiding, full hiding.
Speaker 1:for all those reasons, so how is marriage with? You have an amazing full career. He has an amazing full career. You have a young child. You're you're now six and a half months pregnant. Like, how has marriage been through all of that?
Speaker 2:Hard. Like I don't think that, um, people talk about this enough. Um, I think we see social media reels of, like, all of these anniversaries and celebrations and the beautiful moments, and that's not a critique per se of those reels, because it's you're not going to capture the fights or the times when you're crying or you know all of that.
Speaker 2:Wait a minute, let's put up the camera yeah, I get it, um, but it was difficult on multiple different fronts and for many, many different reasons and complex reasons. And, um, it was interesting when Ramon proposed I didn't know, and one of my best girlfriends did, and she was like, oh my gosh, I'm nervous Christie won't say yes, because he was asking her like has Christie ever talked about marriage, talked about a ring topic?
Speaker 2:And she was like, like I just didn't. I think that there's so many ways to live in love and I think I'm very open in my viewpoints around children, marriage, sexuality, any kind of social construction. And he definitely won me over when he said, instead of like, do you want to be my wife or do you want to get of like, do you want to be my wife or do you want to get married? He said do you want to be my life partner? And I'm like yeah, you know, that sounds all right, so um so.
Speaker 2:but it is true it's a partnership and it's not always 50, 50,. It ebbs and flows, um, and there's beautiful moments, there's messy moments, there's hard moments and you have to be committed. And I remember, before I got married, asking my parents, so I said like, look, you know, over 50% of marriages fail or end in divorce, like I think the stat was like 55 at the time. A larger percentage is unhappy and so you only have like, if you're quantifying success as a happy marriage, it's a very small percentage. Would you ever take an investment, risk like that?
Speaker 2:And my dad said to me high risk, high reward. And my mom said to me the best things in life take hard work, whether it be your health and your fitness, a meaningful and fulfilling career that gives back to a community, raising children, like none of those are easy options. And so I would say, going into a meaningful relationship, partnership, whether that's marriage or not, know that it's going to take hard work, like know that every day and every month and every year isn't going to be a great one. But I think that that commitment's great.
Speaker 2:And I will say, to Ramon's credit too, like he, he definitely, in terms of my career, is like my biggest champion. I could tell him tomorrow I'm moving to timbuktu for two years to do a research project or I'm gonna go live in the amazon and look at women and how they live and gender constructs, and he'd be like, okay, we'll figure it out like, and that has been huge yeah, I was saying I was saying this I don't know if it was to lara or to someone else and I said, when I interview women on the podcast and usually everyone's very successful in their own right I said they're either single or they have the most supportive partners.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's no in between. There's no like you know. Oh, he's kind of in my life, he kind of isn't in my life. It is either single, happy, thriving, or my partner is my biggest cheerleader, my biggest champion. Um, he's there through whatever it like.
Speaker 2:There is no in between you should really like collate this data and like write on it at some point, because I think it's fascinating and I think that that trend is so true. Like I would have, I would prefer to be, you know, by myself than not be with someone that is really supportive of my independence. My independent identity as well, which is so critical, like I I know for so many people, like wife and mother, is a leading part of their identity and I think that that's beautiful and I think we're each unique. But when I think about my identity, those are one parts of a multifaceted identity. I'm still Christie, but those things my interests, my passions, my pursuits, how I have fun, how I find joy, like the things I love I am not only mother and wife.
Speaker 1:It is just one aspect.
Speaker 1:But how do you what? I guess, what would you say to someone or a woman who is a mom, who has didn't have the intention of becoming only wife, only mom? What advice would you give to her, to how you've kind of have, how you have that approach of like yeah, this is one facet of me, but I have all these other facets Like I find that a lot of women become all consumed in motherhood in particular, and they don't really know how to come out of that to remember who they are. So how have you been able to do that and what would you tell others?
Speaker 2:So for some things, like one, I think that there's many ways to live in our individual identity and empowerment, and that may be staying home with your kids, it may be working well with your kids, and I think one thing we need to step back and think is that, like we as women, will empower each other through accepting each other's choices, and how I feel the most myself is not going to be how someone else feels the most themselves, so themselves, um, identifying themselves as mother first, or wife first, that is. If that's what brings them joy and true, true grounding, that is beautiful, and so I think that that's absolutely fine, and I think we need to celebrate and not judge those choices. However, the one thing I will say is, in my coaching practice, I do a lot of career-based coaching, but women come to me at major crisis and transition points, and there have been multiple women over the years that have reached out and said I've, you know, given up everything. I've been this one identity for years. I found out this about my husband he's leaving me and now I'm in crisis, or and that has happened I've worked with women that are 70. I've worked with women that are 30, something that that that has happened.
Speaker 2:So I would say, for women in general, it is always important to know your identity outside of a job and title, outside of your partner, outside of your children, because the minute we peg our identity to one thing, you lose that job, you're in crisis. I had friends that when they stepped off of their varsity teams, were in crisis in college because that was their whole identity in life. And so who is Deshae, separate and apart from the titles and the roles? And what research shows us is actually men are better at creating identities that are separate and apart from one another, while women we create identities of attachment in terms of our roles in our community, our families, to others and in our jobs. And so I think that that level of reflection is always important and never to forget to ask yourself what brings me joy and what are those pockets of my identity that that I can have separate and apart from all these other factors and influences.
Speaker 1:No, I love that and I love when we, when you kind of break it down that way as well, it helps people to kind of flesh out that out even better. Right? Because when I say, like women who you know find themselves in those spaces, like I have a lot of friends who have kids, and then you know one minute those spaces, like I have a lot of friends who have kids, and then you know one minute, it's just like I was having a conversation with a friend a few months ago and she was like I, you asked me a question about what I like to do, and she's like I don't remember. Yeah, I just don't remember, and it wasn't like there was no judgment in the moment.
Speaker 1:I had to fix my face because I'm like I know what you like, I remember what we used to do you know what I mean and then I had to fix my face because I was just like this person who was, you know personality, was just live and vibrant and when she walked into a room it was all consuming has just basically just transformed a little bit for a little while, just needed to be reminded of the things that they like to do Loves being a mom, loves being a wife but just needed a reminder in that moment of who they were, because they just lost it in that moment and just wanted it back in that moment of who they were, because they just lost it in that moment and just wanted it back.
Speaker 2:I see it all the time and I think one thing to know is that life has ebbs and flows and you may be consumed in a certain role in a moment, but that may not be forever. And the couple that we had dinner with last night shared with us. We asked them, like how did you maintain your marriage? High powered individuals, and they were like we didn't really see a lot of people during that period of time. We really focused on our family unit and X or Y.
Speaker 2:So know that it's not forever, but I do have a lot of women come in and tell me they've forgotten what brings them joy, or ask them like what interests you? And they've forgotten. And it's only through going through the process of like asking them those questions that they're able to remember, but sometimes they're so clouded by their own lens. The most powerful thing is to ask a friend. So if I, even in moments for me that have felt dark, if I asked one of my friends like remind me what it was when you saw me the most joyful, when you saw me the most myself, when I was my best self sometimes. That reflective, best self exercise it's something I put people through actually is the best way, because women can be so critical in self-assessment. But if we see ourselves through the eyes of others, it can be really, really powerful.
Speaker 1:No, you're absolutely right. I had a friend who recently got a coach and one of the first things in that step of that process was for the coach to reach out to the people closest to them. And she asked a bunch of questions and it was like pretty generic, nothing crazy. And I was like, can I add some additional color? And she was like it wouldn't be me if I didn't. And she was like yeah, absolutely. And I was like, look, so-and-so is an amazing person, but the load that she bears is beyond anything you would ever imagine, like what she goes through every single day, the pressure that's on her shoulders, like she doesn't have capacity to not be successful. So when you're coaching her into being a better person, keep in mind that that pressure she feels to be, you know, to overachieve and to do all these things, not just because she's an overachiever, just to be an overachiever, because she doesn't have another choice. So just keep that in mind. It's giving some additional and she was like I've never heard anybody do that before, right.
Speaker 1:And so I called and told my friend and I was just like I'm so sorry if I overstepped, but I felt I felt the need to give her that background because I'm like without it she's going to give advice that doesn't really help. You know what I mean. So I totally agree with you about going to your friends, especially the ones you really trust around, who who you are.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and for anyone that's listening to this, there's actually a version of this online. I think it's out of university of Michigan like the center for positive organizations, but Adam Grant, who's an amazing organized organizational psychologist, talks about it. Um, and it's called the reflected best self exercise, and I've done different variations throughout the years, but it's incredibly powerful when you feel like you're in your own head and you're forgetting yourself and you're wondering like who am I anymore and who do I want to be. It's a really powerful tool. I love that.
Speaker 1:OK, so let's talk about Christy, the mom Tell me about your beautiful son, who's so sweet and hilarious. By the way, I watch your videos all the time. I think I've ever met him in person, but I feel like a lot of fun. Tell me about Chrissy the mom, like did you always want to be a mom or what was?
Speaker 2:where did that kind of did that shift or?
Speaker 2:Um, I think I did when I was younger, and then there was a period where I questioned it when I was older, for sure, and my husband and I think I think we've been married around six years when I had him, so we also had a period of waiting.
Speaker 2:One thing I knew I didn't want to be was in a partnership with traditional gender roles where I would be like the sole, caregiver, the sole, and there was a lot of pressures in our careers at that time, particularly because he was in residency, working 120 hours a week and so kind of finding that shared partnership and parenthood was really important to me. But yeah, our son is honestly one of the biggest joys of my life and I'm really proud of the way that he interacts with others, but also, like his wonder and awe about the world, one thing I've always prioritized since he could walk is being outdoors with him and those simple moments away from screens, away from technology, away from the noise of the world, where you recognize the beauty and now you know he's seven and he runs outside. Oh my gosh, look at this sunset. There's this bird here, there's this. You know, that kind of stuff we can't take for granted, and I think, adults, we'd be better off if we integrated more of that into our lives too.
Speaker 1:Absolutely yeah. So I guess I want to kind of take staying on the mom side of it, but kind of taking a little pivot there. So your husband, ramon, is Jamaican and he's black and you have, you're in an intimate racial marriage and you are raising a biracial son. Yes, how has that been for you guys? Was it something that's been difficult at times with your knowledge on DEI and all these different things? Has that been at an advantage for you? How has it been being in an interracial relationship?
Speaker 2:So funny you can have all the knowledge on DEI in the world and you can't intellectualize a personal experience, which is also why I can read all the books, but I'm still a white woman and I'm not going to understand a black woman's experience of the world in the same way, and I think remembering that is so important. Like, lived experience is very different than read experience.
Speaker 2:Yeah absolutely Um, and I that keeps me humble in my work all the time. Um, in terms of our experience, it I'd say we faced more challenges in Boston. Um, in terms of just uh, perception and interactions and kind of smaller microaggressions that existed on the day to day. Um, and I do think it was interesting, though, like when I first started dating my husband, I was pretty private about it and I shared with people you know I'm dating this guy, he's a doctor, he's a road scholar, like he is on the football team and golf team at Oxford. He's great, we've got a lot of shared values commitment to family, commitment to country, like culture.
Speaker 2:And then I was like and he's Jamaican and you know, like once it's like and so it goes all the accolades out, you know and so you kind of see that Um, and it was interesting, ramon even coming to Bermuda and being like, yeah, I heard people call Jamaicans jump-ups Like there's this there. You know that was also a connotation around this, or connotations around fidelity, or you know, there's lots of cultural things, um.
Speaker 2:I think you have to stay true to your family unit and what you believe, but also understand. Like I said, marriage and parenting is complex, irrespective when you add different ethnicities, different races, different cultures, different backgrounds, different countries. You have to be willing to take on those extra levels of complexity and to me, this person was the person that that was worth taking on for Um, but I also so you'll know, I have a very mixed friendship group, um, and so I remember one of my girlfriends longtime girlfriends. When I start also, you know Jamaican background Bermuda it was like come here, I want to talk to you about how this is going to be perceived by this community Right.
Speaker 2:And and I had those people that had those real raw conversations with me early and I said you know, thank you, and I get it, I'm. It's not going to change my decision around my partnership, but it's going to make me aware and more sensitive to those dynamics. And there were struggles, definitely for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can only imagine. I mean my grandmother's Jamaican, so I'm definitely aware of how, even in Bermuda, people perceive Jamaicans.
Speaker 1:And it can be very negative in times when it comes to that. So I totally understand that when it comes to Jamaicans. But Ramon's amazing and we connected on. You know being from Jamaica and I'll never forget. Someone was telling me a story I can't remember where it was or where they were and someone was talking about Jamaicans and someone said I would never date a Jamaican man and Ramona hadn't happened to be there and my dad was there and I don't know if you've met my dad before but, you know, he and I don't think they had officially met at the time and my dad was very vocal about you know, answering that question to that person.
Speaker 1:And then him and Ramon kind of hit it off after that and he was like thank you, like I've heard so many things and you're the first person I've heard that's kind of been like you're an idiot essentially, but in the nicest way possible and kind of challenged the person's thinking and to just stop generalizing based on two or three people that you've interacted with.
Speaker 2:Definitely, and I think that goes to confirmation bias. We're always looking for that one person to confirm a bias we have versus anyone to counter it. Yeah, the other thing is to like I, we lived in Kingston, jamaica we still have a base there If you so many people look at me and they're like Christy this like blonde haired, blue eyed.
Speaker 2:If you so many people look at me and they're like Christy this like blonde haired, blue eyed, like little Island girl lived in Kingston, jamaica, and it's like, yeah, that's my home as well, and integrating to there had its own real and very real challenges for me, and I love it and it's such. I always want our son and now our daughter to have a really shared nationality, identity, ethnicity, and I think that you have to do that intentionally and it doesn't happen without investing time and energy to being part of those cultures, so that's incredibly important to me.
Speaker 1:No, I think it's spot on and I mean there's never a perfect answer or perfect you know, scenario, situation, but I think you're you keep saying being intentional about it and learning the culture and knowing that there's going to be, you're going to see challenges, people are going to judge you, people are going to think certain things, but being intentional about being one open to the different cultures, you know, and I also think and this might be controversial to say, but I think, living in Bermuda and being an islander, I think it is a slightly different the approach to cultures, I think other cultures, when people are interracial, it's a little different, not completely, but I do think that there's a bit more acceptance.
Speaker 1:With the music it's similar, like it's not, you know, I mean, you don't, you're not crossing a lot of those barriers, but I'm just so. I love that you said what you said and I'm hoping that we can um package that down some way, because you often see people who and no, I'm not going to say that you often see how people who do are in interracial relationships and they automatically absolve themselves of being, you know, prejudiced or racist because their partner is, a certain way, not realizing that if you don't, are not intentional about getting to know that culture or that race or that ethnicity.
Speaker 2:You can actually still have some of those very same heavy biases, and absolutely it doesn't absolve you from anything Like I'm still very aware and and I need people to call me out and keep me honest Like it doesn't matter if I've worked in this space and research in this space for 17 years, whether I'm in living it we all are fallible, every single one of us. Yeah, and the greatest thing is having friendships. One of our mutual friends will share articles about who goes into whose setting and at what time. Who's willing to be uncomfortable and what are those settings like. And yeah, I've had lots of moments of major discomfort.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can imagine, especially in Kingston. Yeah, I love Jamaica, by the way it's one of my favorite places on the planet. I would go to Jamaica every year if I could. Um, I probably should go back more frequently, but so just putting that out there definitely love Jamaica but yeah okay. So I mean we're wrapping up on time here. It's going by really quickly, but I did want to take a moment to quickly talk about the book, and I know it's been out for like a little over how long now 2002.
Speaker 2:So we just came up on the two year anniversary, yeah, yeah, which is crazy. It's crazy Because it was the anchor event, was the launch event.
Speaker 1:I remember and that feels like it was yesterday. Yeah, yeah, it's amazing. So walk me through just quickly around. I guess I feel like your entire career kind of led you to writing the book or wanting to write the book. But I guess what was the original genesis of like beginning boldly?
Speaker 2:So one thing was it was never like, oh, I want to be an author, write a book. It was like, over the years, I've identified kind of these issues and challenges and I have this amazing toolkit and I ultimately have a choice of whether I continue to impart that knowledge and those tools on an organization by organization, client by client basis, which means your impact over your life is like this or whether I invest my time and energy into kind of packaging a broader toolkit that gives everyone exposure to it at the cost of, like what $15 to $20 versus coaching, which is an elite group. So I really wanted to equalize access to this, which was like really the impetus behind it. Um, but my whole thing is like I feel like my mission it's not even like my vocation or my career is to like help women be bolder and braver in their careers and lives and like this is one of the ways to do it. Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1:Okay, so what's your? I guess what would you say is your favorite part of the book and I know you wrote it and you did all the research and I'm sure there's a ton of things in here but if someone read the book, what was, what would be the one thing you want them not to forget?
Speaker 2:So there's there's a couple of core concepts, but I'll tell you one concept that's really resonated and gotten traction, and something I have to remind myself all the time is that we often and we're told in, you know, popular media or discourse, that we need to be confident before making a bold move, before getting on a podcast, before sitting on a couch and being interviewed, before getting on a stage, before putting ourselves up for a role, before negotiating a promotion, before putting ourselves out there for love to be vulnerable, whatever it may be. And the reality is, if we wait to feel confident, that elusive feeling will likely never come. Confidence is truly cultivated through action and that action happens because of courage. So one of the biggest pieces of the book for me is choose courage over confidence.
Speaker 2:So for part of my life I was waiting to feel confident before these things, and that put things on hold. I see my clients doing that all the time. But if we stop telling women to wait to feel confident and we say, look, you just need to be courageous in the absence of confidence, and then confidence will be the byproduct or output that is so powerful. And so next time someone's like trying to go for that role, interviewing for that scholarship, trying to take that exam, whatever it may be, like I said, putting themselves out there for love or changing careers or moving countries just know that you don't have to feel ready or confident, you just need to be courageous. In the absence of it, I love that.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. Anyway, this book is great and everyone should read it, and I wish we need another session to talk about the book and all the things that we got from it. But we'd have to do like everyone has already read the book and we'll go from there. But no, I totally agree with you on that and I think I can't remember the exact study or the saying about it, but it was like the average woman waits when she's applying for a job. She looks and goes through the job description to make sure she hits everything on the job description, but a man will go in and just see one or two things. But yeah, I can do that and go and apply for it, and it's pretty much the same kind of concept exactly around that.
Speaker 2:So I think it's like women feel like they have to have 100% of the qualifications and men have 60. And so the thing is, if we continue to function in that way as women, the gender gap is always going to persist. So I always encourage my clients like I'll help them with like resumes and interviews and everything, and I'm like put yourself out there. And we always say, like we always ask ourselves, why me? Well, ask yourself why not me? Or what's the worst that could happen? Ask yourself what's the best that could happen, or why, ask yourself why not? And there's these powerful mental shifts that I encourage in terms of like flip the scripts, that are really, really powerful in terms of like ensuring that we're just courageous even when our inner critic is so loud, which I've dealt with, you know, throughout my life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, same, yeah, totally agree. Especially when you're shifting careers, you're taking moves, that that self-doubt, that you know, a bit of imposter syndrome creeps up and I feel like it's more in women than men. I I could be wrong, but I feel like that just from the people that I work with um often.
Speaker 2:But especially if you're taking those bolder moves, it can definitely a bit be a bit more challenging yeah, and I think one thing and I think you've heard me say this before, but I think we need to normalize those feelings, like I think we think, oh, I'm fearful, I don't feel ready, these might be signs that I shouldn't go for it. No, I feel fear every single day. I feel fear every. If you're not feeling fear, you're not loving deeply enough, taking risks deeply enough, You're not investing in your career enough, and I think we need to normalize. Like, my goal is never for people that read the book to be fearless, but have to have the tools to take bold action in the face of fear. And so that's why this concept of courage, it's not it's going to eliminate your fear. It's going to, instead of focusing on confidence, you're going to focus on being courageous in the face of fear, and that's what's powerful.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know it's amazing. Oh, I want to talk about it more. Ok, but when we start thinking final thoughts, right of everything we've kind of talked about today, I definitely want you to leave something with my listeners, especially the women around if we're talking to a woman and she's trying to balance life and family and work and their own personal ambitions, what advice would you give them, or takeaways would you give them, about embracing uncertainty and taking those risks?
Speaker 2:So the way that I think about it and I've thought about it kind of in my book and my research and with my clients is we often don't want to take a risk because we don't have a formula for risk taking. We often don't want to take a risk because we don't have a formula for risk-taking. We feel like we're being told to jump off of the mountain blindfolded or paraglide when we've never paraglided before, and risk-taking doesn't need to feel like that. We can have a method for risk-taking. So part of the focus of the book was giving you a method to assess risks and also to prepare for the range of outcomes. I'm not saying there's never going to be a risk that has a bad outcome. I'm going to say that the outcome that you don't desire might actually propel you further than you ever imagined. And so I would say, like, get the support network and get the tools that you need to actually take intentional risks. The time and I go back to that intentionality and sometimes when we feel exhausted I work with women that feel stretched across everything we don't take that time out to be intentional, but that's truly the gift that you can give yourself. And so, knowing that I talked about this in the book, but it was years ago.
Speaker 2:I was speaking at a global women's conference for the economy and society in Normandy, france, and there was this woman on the CEO panel that I was interviewing and she was in heels and she got up on the stage and she said if I have to get from here over to here, how would I get there?
Speaker 2:And and everyone was starting, she's like I can't have help, I can't have a ladder, I can't whatever, and we have no idea, right. And she actually eventually, when everyone was stumped, took, uh, you know, backsteps and ran up and then made the jump, which she wouldn't have been able to do if she just, you know, bunny, hopped from that spot, right. And so her message was like, the risk that we've take that we think have negative consequences, actually T, and we look like we're going back actually teach us more and propel us further than a consistent choice to play it safe where we can't bridge that gap. And so I would just say that, as long as we've always got the mindset of like, what did we learn from this and how can we harness it for greater growth and forward motion, that you know there is no wrong move in that way.
Speaker 1:I love that. That's amazing, okay. And then when we think of when, what you want to be remembered for, right, so it's the final question. On the podcast, everyone that I that comes on me always access, like, when you think, and I always say and people who listen frequently probably like we get it to shave and they're no longer here a long time from now. You know, what do you want to be remembered for? When they say Christy Hunter R Scott, like, what do you want people to say about you? What is that memory?
Speaker 2:That's so hard.
Speaker 2:I can tell you what's most rewarding and meaningful for me now.
Speaker 2:It's not the awards for the book or for my work, or international recognition or being published in different places. It's those messages that come into my inbox that were, like you know, I'm in a bad marriage and I left because of your words on this, or I put myself up for the promotion and your words inspired me, or I'm coming back from mat leave and I got a new title and a new raise that reflects my work and I would have never, ever, ever, you know, put myself and advocated for myself, or I've just advocated for someone else that is underrepresented and I'm not like. Those are the things that are the most meaningful moments and they exist in my inbox, not in the public eye or in those interactions with my mentees that are informal on the day to day, and so I think it's almost like the accumulation of that in terms of being remembered, like if, if there's women that I inspire to be bolder and braver in love, in their careers, in life, in leadership, like that's what I'd want, yeah.
Speaker 1:I love that and I'm glad that you said that around in love and leadership and whatever, because we think about this in a career sense, in the begin, boldly. But you can take a lot of these principles and, you know, put them into your personal life, into how you kind of navigate your life period, and I think that that's really what's a good factor about the book as well, definitely. Anyway, chrissy, we could keep going, but thank you so much. I really appreciate you.
Speaker 2:And I can't wait to meet baby girl once she gets here.
Speaker 1:I can't wait to be on the other side of this. So, yeah, yeah, it'll come soon enough. It'll be fast. I well hopefully, yeah.
Speaker 2:November will come quick, not that I'm counting, but thank you again.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you so much to Shay. All right, guys, we just had an amazing conversation with Christy Hunter-Oscott, who is the author of Begin Boldly. Make sure you head over to our sponsor, brown Company, so you can head over to the bookmark there and you can purchase the book, or you can head over to Amazon and you can purchase her book there as well. If you want to know more about Christy and any of the services that she does provide, make sure you head over to our website ChristyHunterOscottcom. Calm as always. Thank you for spending some time with me today on hustle, her podcast.
