{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":21.851,"endTime":26.681,"body":"Hello and welcome to This Is A Voice,"},{"startTime":21.851,"endTime":26.681,"body":"Season six, Episode seven, the podcast"},{"startTime":26.686,"endTime":28.481,"body":"where we get Vocal about voice."},{"startTime":28.751,"endTime":29.621,"body":"I'm Jeremy Fisher."},{"startTime":29.711,"endTime":30.311,"body":"And I'm Dr."},{"startTime":30.316,"endTime":31.311,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes."},{"startTime":31.331,"endTime":35.811,"body":"Okay, now, before we tell you what the"},{"startTime":31.331,"endTime":35.811,"body":"topic for today is, I want to say that"},{"startTime":35.811,"endTime":41.421,"body":"there is a challenge that we're setting"},{"startTime":35.811,"endTime":41.421,"body":"you from season six, episode six, the"},{"startTime":41.421,"endTime":43.611,"body":"last episode, which was ventriloquism."},{"startTime":43.611,"endTime":45.981,"body":"And the challenge 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