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tongue."},{"startTime":1568.196,"endTime":1568.256,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1568.316,"endTime":1571.166,"body":"When I do an ih vowel I"},{"startTime":1568.316,"endTime":1571.166,"body":"have all the space I need."},{"startTime":1571.171,"endTime":1571.326,"body":"Mm."},{"startTime":1571.976,"endTime":1573.266,"body":"Are we going to do the other one?"},{"startTime":1573.536,"endTime":1578.006,"body":"R We gonna do like"},{"startTime":1573.536,"endTime":1578.006,"body":"maybe red, red, uh, red."},{"startTime":1578.246,"endTime":1578.846,"body":"Red."},{"startTime":1578.876,"endTime":1579.206,"body":"Okay."},{"startTime":1579.206,"endTime":1586.376,"body":"If I do a proper R, Correct R There's"},{"startTime":1579.206,"endTime":1586.376,"body":"actually a lot of tightness in the tongue."},{"startTime":1586.436,"endTime":1588.836,"body":"There's also something going"},{"startTime":1586.436,"endTime":1588.836,"body":"on at the back as 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pitch,"},{"startTime":1618.001,"endTime":1621.056,"body":"much easier to pitch higher."},{"startTime":1621.326,"endTime":1624.566,"body":"I don't have the feeling that"},{"startTime":1621.326,"endTime":1624.566,"body":"something is tightening in there."},{"startTime":1625.256,"endTime":1629.366,"body":"I still get a very similar airflow"},{"startTime":1625.256,"endTime":1629.366,"body":"between the consonant and the vowel I"},{"startTime":1629.371,"endTime":1631.226,"body":"get a very similar resonating space."},{"startTime":1631.316,"endTime":1632.126,"body":"So much easier."},{"startTime":1632.456,"endTime":1633.776,"body":"Try it out."},{"startTime":1634.076,"endTime":1637.556,"body":"If you haven't come across this"},{"startTime":1634.076,"endTime":1637.556,"body":"before, it will make such a"},{"startTime":1637.556,"endTime":1638.576,"body":"difference to the way you sing."},{"startTime":1638.696,"endTime":1638.786,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"startTime":1639.026,"endTime":1640.136,"body":", Just those three consonants."},{"startTime":1640.286,"endTime":1643.346,"body":"Go off and target those consonants"},{"startTime":1640.286,"endTime":1643.346,"body":"in songs you're working on"},{"startTime":1643.346,"endTime":1644.636,"body":"or songs you're teaching."},{"startTime":1644.641,"endTime":1644.906,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1645.206,"endTime":1646.496,"body":"Or songs you're choir leading."},{"startTime":1646.496,"endTime":1648.176,"body":"And, uh, see what you've come up with."},{"startTime":1648.176,"endTime":1648.716,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":1650.006,"endTime":1650.426,"body":"Good."},{"startTime":1651.896,"endTime":1652.316,"body":"Are we done?"},{"startTime":1652.406,"endTime":1654.176,"body":"I think we're probably done actually."},{"startTime":1654.176,"endTime":1655.086,"body":"I think that was plenty!"},{"startTime":1655.136,"endTime":1655.556,"body":"Yeah."},{"startTime":1655.556,"endTime":1659.786,"body":"If we, uh, if we have whetted your"},{"startTime":1655.556,"endTime":1659.786,"body":"appetite in any way, we will put the"},{"startTime":1659.786,"endTime":1663.386,"body":"link to the 5 Days to Better Singing"},{"startTime":1659.786,"endTime":1663.386,"body":"Teaching in the show notes so that"},{"startTime":1663.386,"endTime":1666.026,"body":"you can go check it out and drop us"},{"startTime":1663.386,"endTime":1666.026,"body":"line if you've got any questions."},{"startTime":1666.056,"endTime":1666.506,"body":"Yes."},{"startTime":1667.226,"endTime":1682.576,"body":"So we will see you next time."},{"startTime":1687.226,"endTime":1687.916,"body":"Bye."}]}