{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":0.0,"endTime":1.274,"body":"I have to say Austin was amazing."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":1.274,"endTime":2.805,"body":"He just was such a work ethic."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":3.254,"endTime":5.295,"body":"Um, he really wanted to get this right."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":5.551,"endTime":7.971,"body":"So I followed my instinct,"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":5.551,"endTime":7.971,"body":"my normal instincts."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":7.971,"endTime":10.651,"body":"I didn't go, \"This is a star and"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":7.971,"endTime":10.651,"body":"I've gotta get him to sing Elvis\"."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":10.711,"endTime":14.191,"body":"I just went, I've gotta get him to sing"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":10.711,"endTime":14.191,"body":"efficiently and then I've gotta get him"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":14.191,"endTime":18.961,"body":"to sing in style, the style he 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stop."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2256.99,"endTime":2257.38,"body":"I think."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2257.38,"endTime":2258.04,"body":"Yes."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2258.19,"endTime":2258.49,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2258.49,"endTime":2260.75,"body":"That's, that's felt like"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2258.49,"endTime":2260.75,"body":"it's been really short!"},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2260.75,"endTime":2262.36,"body":"I mean, I'm glad you're happy."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":2263.42,"endTime":2266.02,"body":"Feels like there's"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":2263.42,"endTime":2266.02,"body":"a nice full stop there."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2266.05,"endTime":2266.38,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2266.56,"endTime":2268.04,"body":"So thank you very much Irene."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2268.06,"endTime":2270.64,"body":"Thank for talking to us and"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2268.06,"endTime":2270.64,"body":"we will talk to you again."},{"speaker":"Irene","startTime":2271.03,"endTime":2277.07,"body":"Thanks for having me back."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2284.29,"endTime":2284.53,"body":"Bye."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2286.06,"endTime":2289.405,"body":"This is a Voice, a podcast with Dr."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2289.405,"endTime":2292.635,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy Fisher."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":2292.635,"endTime":2296.345,"body":"This is a Voice."}]}