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app?"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1355.555,"endTime":1355.645,"body":"Speechtools."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1356.075,"endTime":1356.165,"body":"Speechtools."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1356.165,"endTime":1358.475,"body":"Do check them out."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1358.475,"endTime":1359.395,"body":"Garry and Sam."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1359.765,"endTime":1360.415,"body":"Hi, Garry and Sam."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1361.075,"endTime":1365.405,"body":"Could you do the greeting"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1361.075,"endTime":1365.405,"body":"exercise for people who may be"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1365.405,"endTime":1367.535,"body":"running meetings, business meetings?"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1367.535,"endTime":1368.315,"body":"The good morning?"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1369.455,"endTime":1369.965,"body":"Oh yeah."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1369.965,"endTime":1371.045,"body":"With different intentions."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1371.05,"endTime":1371.105,"body":"Yeah."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1371.105,"endTime":1374.015,"body":"Cause I think that's a"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1371.105,"endTime":1374.015,"body":"really useful exercise."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1374.405,"endTime":1375.605,"body":"Um, Right."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1376.595,"endTime":1377.165,"body":"Good morning."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1377.165,"endTime":1378.785,"body":"Welcome to this conference"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1377.165,"endTime":1378.785,"body":"on carpet underlay."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1380.525,"endTime":1381.755,"body":"Good morning."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1381.755,"endTime":1383.615,"body":"Welcome to this conference"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1381.755,"endTime":1383.615,"body":"on carpet underlay."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1384.785,"endTime":1385.325,"body":"Good 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how"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1425.435,"endTime":1430.685,"body":"maybe you are mapping what your clients"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1425.435,"endTime":1430.685,"body":"are doing with their voices in terms of"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1430.685,"endTime":1435.385,"body":"their pitch and their volume, and I think"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1430.685,"endTime":1435.385,"body":"it would be really interesting in the"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1435.39,"endTime":1438.725,"body":"future to talk more about tone of voice."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1438.905,"endTime":1441.665,"body":"Yes, because we have something"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1438.905,"endTime":1441.665,"body":"about tone of voice in the book."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1441.785,"endTime":1442.295,"body":"We do."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1442.3,"endTime":1443.855,"body":"Again, super interesting."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1443.945,"endTime":1446.855,"body":"And I'm actually going to"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1443.945,"endTime":1446.855,"body":"apologize to everybody listening because"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1446.855,"endTime":1452.195,"body":"we probably ruined your day because you"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1446.855,"endTime":1452.195,"body":"are now going to go out and listen to"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1452.195,"endTime":1455.495,"body":"what everyone does, and it is going to"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1452.195,"endTime":1455.495,"body":"drive you nuts for a couple of days,"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1455.495,"endTime":1457.595,"body":"but it is such a fascinating topic."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1458.255,"endTime":1459.335,"body":"Uh, thank you for listening."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1459.455,"endTime":1460.625,"body":"Thank you for listening."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1460.895,"endTime":1462.215,"body":"Thank you for listening."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1462.935,"endTime":1463.895,"body":"Thank you everybody."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1463.925,"endTime":1464.345,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1464.345,"endTime":1465.275,"body":"Thank you everybody."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":1465.275,"endTime":1465.785,"body":"Stop it."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1467.075,"endTime":1468.095,"body":"We'll see you next time."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1468.525,"endTime":1469.905,"body":"Bye bye."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1470.075,"endTime":1470.465,"body":"Bye bye."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1470.465,"endTime":1471.425,"body":"Bye bye."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1484.49,"endTime":1487.88,"body":"This is a Voice, a podcast with Dr."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1487.88,"endTime":1490.04,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy 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