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It's always, it's so cool."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1880.417,"endTime":1881.557,"body":"Thank you for having me."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1881.557,"endTime":1882.847,"body":"It's brilliant to see you."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1882.897,"endTime":1885.197,"body":"All the stuff that we've talked"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1882.897,"endTime":1885.197,"body":"about will be in the show"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1885.202,"endTime":1887.067,"body":"notes so people can find you."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1887.247,"endTime":1888.657,"body":"Oh, by the way, where can they find you?"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1889.437,"endTime":1890.157,"body":"How can they find you?"},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1890.817,"endTime":1892.617,"body":"On the Gold Coast in Australia?"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1892.987,"endTime":1893.477,"body":"Okay."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1895.407,"endTime":1896.077,"body":"Website?"},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1896.077,"endTime":1903.597,"body":"On, on my website"},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1896.077,"endTime":1903.597,"body":"www.drmarisaleenaismith.com."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1903.837,"endTime":1904.257,"body":"Excellent."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1904.257,"endTime":1909.957,"body":"And A Voice And Beyond on"},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1904.257,"endTime":1909.957,"body":"all the usual suspect platforms."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1909.957,"endTime":1912.297,"body":"Such as Apple Music, Spotify."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1912.447,"endTime":1915.327,"body":"You have every episode of"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1912.447,"endTime":1915.327,"body":"your podcast on your website as well."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1916.167,"endTime":1917.577,"body":"Yes, yes, I do."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1917.577,"endTime":1920.637,"body":"We to encourage people to go and"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1917.577,"endTime":1920.637,"body":"listen to your podcast because"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1920.817,"endTime":1922.767,"body":"it's so good and it's so varied."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1923.502,"endTime":1923.862,"body":"Brilliant."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1923.892,"endTime":1924.422,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1924.422,"endTime":1924.782,"body":"Thank you."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1924.782,"endTime":1926.888,"body":"Thank You'll find lots"},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1924.782,"endTime":1926.888,"body":"of, different topics."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1927.728,"endTime":1928.148,"body":"Bye."},{"speaker":"Marisa","startTime":1929.168,"endTime":1929.588,"body":"Bye."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1941.218,"endTime":1945.028,"body":"This is a voice,"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1941.218,"endTime":1945.028,"body":"a podcast with Dr."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1945.028,"endTime":1947.108,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy Fisher."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":1948.518,"endTime":1951.838,"body":"This is a voice."}]}