{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":11.749,"endTime":15.139,"body":"This is a voice,"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":11.749,"endTime":15.139,"body":"a podcast with Dr."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":15.139,"endTime":17.299,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy Fisher."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":21.349,"endTime":24.349,"body":"Hello and welcome to"},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":21.349,"endTime":24.349,"body":"This is a Voice Episode."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":24.349,"endTime":26.029,"body":"No, done that wrong already."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":26.029,"endTime":26.389,"body":"Great."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":26.389,"endTime":26.899,"body":"Hello."},{"speaker":"Jeremy","startTime":27.349,"endTime":31.039,"body":"This Is A Voice Season 6 Episode 15."},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":31.474,"endTime":33.934,"body":"The podcast where"},{"speaker":"Gillyanne","startTime":31.474,"endTime":33.934,"body":"we get Vocal about 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