{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":11.643,"endTime":15.033,"body":"This is a voice, a podcast with Dr."},{"startTime":15.038,"endTime":19.713,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy"},{"startTime":15.038,"endTime":19.713,"body":"Fisher, This Is A Voice."},{"startTime":21.798,"endTime":24.768,"body":"Hello and welcome to, sorry,"},{"startTime":21.798,"endTime":24.768,"body":"I'm gonna have to do that again"},{"startTime":24.768,"endTime":25.998,"body":"cuz I was just about to cough."},{"startTime":25.998,"endTime":29.128,"body":"Hello and welcome to"},{"startTime":25.998,"endTime":29.128,"body":"season seven episode one."},{"startTime":29.268,"endTime":31.983,"body":"The podcast where we"},{"startTime":29.268,"endTime":31.983,"body":"get Vocal about voice."},{"startTime":32.163,"endTime":32.913,"body":"I'm Jeremy Fisher."},{"startTime":33.033,"endTime":33.693,"body":"And I'm Dr."},{"startTime":33.693,"endTime":34.903,"body":"Gillyanne 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