{"version":"1.0.0","segments":[{"startTime":11.95,"endTime":15.31,"body":"This is a voice, a podcast with Dr."},{"startTime":15.36,"endTime":17.59,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes and Jeremy Fisher."},{"startTime":22.155,"endTime":26.355,"body":"Hello and welcome to This Is A Voice,"},{"startTime":22.155,"endTime":26.355,"body":"season seven, episode two, the podcast"},{"startTime":26.36,"endTime":28.185,"body":"where we get Vocal about voice."},{"startTime":28.575,"endTime":29.265,"body":"I'm Jeremy Fisher."},{"startTime":29.355,"endTime":30.075,"body":"And I'm Dr."},{"startTime":30.075,"endTime":31.045,"body":"Gillyanne Kayes."},{"startTime":31.065,"endTime":33.815,"body":"And today we're doing classical"},{"startTime":31.065,"endTime":33.815,"body":"versus musical theatre."},{"startTime":33.915,"endTime":36.645,"body":"The revenge part two."},{"startTime":36.795,"endTime":37.485,"body":"The revenge?"},{"startTime":37.485,"endTime":38.865,"body":"I didn't agree to that 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