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have"},{"startTime":2493.922,"endTime":2495.422,"body":"to say and what it is that they want."},{"startTime":2496.052,"endTime":2497.612,"body":"We've also had a lot of conversation"},{"startTime":2497.612,"endTime":2499.982,"body":"about should it be the industry telling"},{"startTime":2500.102,"endTime":2503.732,"body":"the education world what is required or"},{"startTime":2503.732,"endTime":2505.892,"body":"should it be the education world informing"},{"startTime":2505.892,"endTime":2507.272,"body":"the industry of what we're willing to"},{"startTime":2507.272,"endTime":2510.002,"body":"put out, whether that's talking about"},{"startTime":2510.002,"endTime":2513.632,"body":"body types or skill or, or whatnot."},{"startTime":2513.797,"endTime":2514.792,"body":"And I think that's a really"},{"startTime":2514.792,"endTime":2515.872,"body":"interesting conversation"},{"startTime":2515.872,"endTime":2515.972,"body":"Mm-hmm."},{"startTime":2515.972,"endTime":2517.562,"body":"to, to, to further, I don't"},{"startTime":2517.562,"endTime":2518.402,"body":"know what the answer is."},{"startTime":2518.402,"endTime":2519.602,"body":"I really don't know what the answer is."},{"startTime":2519.602,"endTime":2521.102,"body":"There's definitely a symbiotic"},{"startTime":2521.552,"endTime":2523.262,"body":"relationship between these two things."},{"startTime":2523.262,"endTime":2525.182,"body":"But yeah, I think it is a conversation"},{"startTime":2525.182,"endTime":2526.592,"body":"that needs to be furthered."},{"startTime":2526.592,"endTime":2526.682,"body":"I"},{"startTime":2526.787,"endTime":2527.237,"body":"Hmm."},{"startTime":2527.627,"endTime":2528.857,"body":"Absolutely agreed."},{"startTime":2529.007,"endTime":2529.787,"body":"Fantastic."},{"startTime":2530.227,"endTime":2531.317,"body":"Ahh, I think that's a wrap."},{"startTime":2531.322,"endTime":2531.722,"body":"Is that a wrap?"},{"startTime":2531.722,"endTime":2532.202,"body":"That's a wrap."},{"startTime":2532.232,"endTime":2533.747,"body":"Does that feel like a wrap?"},{"startTime":2534.032,"endTime":2535.292,"body":"oh my gosh, what a treat and"},{"startTime":2535.292,"endTime":2537.182,"body":"what a joy to, to, to be with you"},{"startTime":2537.602,"endTime":2539.582,"body":"icons that I've followed forever."},{"startTime":2539.582,"endTime":2541.232,"body":"I just, how, how wonderful, what a, what"},{"startTime":2541.232,"endTime":2544.217,"body":"a absolute pleasure to to chat and oh my"},{"startTime":2544.217,"endTime":2545.927,"body":"gosh, you might have me showing up at your"},{"startTime":2545.927,"endTime":2549.167,"body":"doorstep ready to do this again tomorrow."},{"startTime":2550.847,"endTime":2551.357,"body":"Oh, thank you Kevin."},{"startTime":2551.357,"endTime":2552.167,"body":"It's been a joy."},{"startTime":2552.197,"endTime":2552.467,"body":"Absolutely."},{"startTime":2552.467,"endTime":2554.447,"body":"And we will see you soon."},{"startTime":2555.192,"endTime":2555.412,"body":"Bye."},{"startTime":2555.707,"endTime":2556.067,"body":"you."},{"startTime":2556.067,"endTime":2557.177,"body":"Bye for now."}]}