Thin Blue Line

On the wake of yet another Black man getting beat and killed at the hands of police, we dissect the after math of the Tyre Nichols incident and brainstorm some of the possible resolutions to this epidemic.

Topics Discussed:

• Super Bowl gambling
• Six Memphis cops beat and kill Tyre Nichols
• Is this still considered racism?
• Police officers should be required to take psychological evaluations.
• Police reform
• Reparations
• Black History Month cop car is tone def.

Featured Song:
Sound of da Police - KRS-One

Referenced Links:
After the beating death of Tyre Nichols, a 6th Memphis officer has been fired : NPR

3 fire personnel are terminated and 2 other Memphis officers were placed on leave over Tyre Nichols' death, officials say | CNN

Because Miami on Twitter: "#BREAKING: In honor of #BlackHistoryMonth Miami Mayor Ponzi Postalita Francis Suarez just unveiled a Black History police cruiser with images of Africa all over it. #BecauseMiami https://t.co/Mo5QYHeUVU" / Twitter

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Transcript

Jeff: 0:51

Thank you for tuning in to another installment of the culture. It's your boy Jeff, here where my man was goody goody goody

Anthony: 0:59

read this box shit. It's kind of ridiculous. Like, I don't know why people need rules to this shit is actually pretty straightforward. I'm glad he broke it down now, I'm not gonna say who because that's like a crime, but it's pretty straightforward. Well, the Superbowl wants to both like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't know, like, I guess it's some people that are familiar with it, not everybody. But that's a great word. It's one team on one side went to another and just numbers zero through nine on the top on the bottom. And then you kind of just randomly pick a box in between both the numbers, unless you pick a box that the numbers are drawn for whatever supposed to be, it matches up with little money. I guess if people were like, Super Bowl gambling, it kind of works. But you'd be like, Man, I'd have like $30 and I got the shit. He asked numbers, because that's the part when it happens. Like you're looking for something that's going to happen in the game, but who knows. But I'm glad you sent me this thing. It's like, it's straightforward. He did a really good job putting all this shit together.

Jeff: 1:59

Yeah, I think it makes the game more fun and easier to watch. Especially when it's two teams that you don't care about. Like if your team is not in it, you know, I'm saying a lot of people won't be invested as the diehard football fans that are just going to watch it regardless. But in this the casuals that if their team is not in it, they don't really care about it. But I think like the Super Bowl squares, makes it more interesting. And I mean, it makes you want to watch it. Because now you have that one investment and

Anthony: 2:24

now it's like it's like it's your it's kind of like your last time to gamble. Like I don't like people kind of sort of like gamble or basketball games and they kind of gamble on baseball games. But it's so many baseball games. You never know what's here on there. But football like this is the one like like they there's a line on everything in the coin flip. How long is the over under for the national anthem? Like what's the first playground we run a pass how many yards like God Damn, it's every possible like permutation of what it could be because that'll be able to do it's for another guest Nope. Don't even draft on like, but Gavin had gotten so bad though. Do it on the NFL Draft like who's gonna be number one pick how many trades how many people from this school? I'm like, we're gambling. That's country man. We really love this shit.

Jeff: 3:12

6 million wasted dies a 6 million ways for you to lose your money.

Anthony: 3:16

It's keeping a pocket man, especially on tax season. We're gonna get the guy on another time.

Jeff: 3:20

Yeah, we're gonna get a tax gentleman in here to educate our listeners about the do's and don'ts we're gonna do that probably next week.

Anthony: 3:28

Have you ever old

Jeff: 3:31

Yes. And that's when I stopped doing and that's when I stopped doing it myself on TurboTax this was not saying it's TurboTax for it I probably wasn't doing it right you know something? You know? I mean, so

Anthony: 3:43

nice TurboTax fault because I did too. wasn't because of my salary. I had an older government I think like$400 That's fine. Yeah, but I did the hidden TurboTax TurboTax that I would have 9000 as I say shit, no, I don't get the

Jeff: 3:56

fuck out. So what I do now is me and my wife. We go to the Dominican dude in the hood and Passaic and she's always packed. You got to call ahead and make an appointment and they call you when they ready. But so far we've used them for the last couple years and it's the best return we've ever gotten. You know I'm saying something I maybe I was doing something wrong with TurboTax and TurboTax ain't as legit as they think they are. Because the dudes charged us less than TurboTax was charging us and we got money back

Anthony: 4:24

don't go to prison over that shit though. I know it's people out there a whole lot of money man could they be doing stupid shit like claiming all this like exemptions and shit like that claiming dependents thing got

Jeff: 4:36

well, buddy thanks man. Nobody thinks they're gonna get audited until until you do. I mean

Anthony: 4:41

you got to figure out why I trust me I never getting audited I took my job what some extra could take out take all of that shit. I do not care because I'm not worried about in a little less refund. We got to owe the government you know X X amount of money plus interest plus fees like nah I'll pass y'all keep the shit. Yo, but

Jeff: 5:02

let's get the roll rolling man we got some racism to talk about that we got to rename the show the racism podcast. How do you how do you think know where to think about that? No,

Anthony: 5:10

we're not because you're not going to talk about

Jeff: 5:13

it's like we talked about the shit every week is like something going on. That we

Anthony: 5:17

just kind of the world and country that we live in. We can't deduct the shit because you just kind of keep happening because we don't really want to. You don't want to change the structures of what's causing racism. Racism isn't the issue just the systems they built around

Jeff: 5:29

racism culture or the racist culture. Does that have a ring to it?

Anthony: 5:33

Now drawn the wrong audience sees and why should they man I'd like to talk about the negative like Hola. Natasha,

Jeff: 5:41

by the way, yes. I've had multiple people about three or four different people telling me about this damn fucking movie with Seth Rogen that I have to watch on Netflix. What is You people? With Eddie Murphy and apparently the dude the main character on the on the fucking movie has a podcast or some called the culture or something to the effect of the culture so I got a bunch of people hitting me up on LinkedIn on through tax on every every platform like you Oh, they stole your idea you know when he stole your shit? Gotta get that cease and desist letter ready?

Anthony: 6:15

No. No going up against the machine. If you're if you're gonna shoot them off fuck are we gonna do part two of like, instead of competing podcast I did like we're gonna invite them all like we would do so. They gotta do a cameo I'm not come home and we're talking about texting people have money. I gotta find me a lawyer to get a cease and desist Louis and Jonah Hill

Jeff: 6:37

you know why possess what it? Yeah, Jonah Hill then I'll say Seth Rogen. Yes, you did. Xena he's not initiatic

Anthony: 6:45

you're getting your Jewish white people mixed up.

Jeff: 6:48

Oh yeah, that's racism me. So yeah, Jonah Hill Jonah Hill is Jonah fucking Hill anyway

Anthony: 6:55

and every the whole thing they've like watched you people you will watch it two months later like I finally watched you people like I'm not talking about that shit now just came out. It's sad movie.

Jeff: 7:04

Y'all real quick shout out to the coach a crew. Coach a crew Mikey she Tosh Melly Mel. D black Helwig King cause of the third. Appreciate? I mean, which one was one of these racist topics you want to get into first?

Anthony: 7:20

I'm black. They're all equal in me. Hi, man. Let's

Jeff: 7:23

just fucking do it. Man. Let's talk about this Tyree Nichols situation. Another young black brother gets beat the fuck up and killed by men five Memphis police officers and a sixth one has already been fired now because of this. And even EMTs I think all got fired issue right everybody everybody that was in the vicinity got fucking fired for just not doing it for not doing it

Anthony: 7:51

either got fired or you caught a suspension one of the two. So they beat the brother. They

Jeff: 7:54

pull him over and I still don't even know the specifics. You know, I've told you this before. I don't really like to dive into the show without having all the context. But there's nothing that could justify this shit, bro. He got pulled over. They dragged him out the call whooped his ass. He fled the scene trying to run from these motherfuckers that caught up to his as Mason punched him in the face. kicked them in the fucking head. busted his ass until he died. There's no justifying this shit. Whether he said Fuck the police fuck your mother. Fuck your kids. He spat out him. He drove off Garmin a high speed chase. No matter what the fuck he did anything shy of actually putting his hands on a cop of shooting them. None of that none justifies them brutally beating the fucking kid and he was what 29 Dash he's on the ground. You hear him? And you hear him in the video screaming for his mom because he was right down the block from his house. Yeah, trenger home, right down the block. So they followed his as basically down to history. And the video comes out and you're like, What the fuck another one. And then the white community is like, Whoa, it was five black cops don't look at us saying it don't look at us. It wasn't as being racist this time.

Anthony: 9:12

There's a problem. But go ahead.

Jeff: 9:14

So now it becomes nothing more so of a white man killing a black man thing, but it becomes the topic of police reform. It's police brutality, regardless of the color of the police officer. But there was some Asians, whites blacks, it was all their fucking this man up. And if he wasn't involved in actually putting your hands on him, you were sitting there just watching. So now becomes an issue where it's blue versus black. And the discussion of police reform Britain gets brought up again, we talk about it and it really gets done. If you go on to culture dot, dot one website I have I wrote a little article there. Basically, blue versus black, thin blue line about whether the Blue Lives Matter is a racist movement as an answer back to Black Lives Matters. Yeah, I could go check that out and read that. Anyway, Matt, what's your what's your thought on the ship?

Anthony: 10:20

Remember, we said before about why people like well, there wasn't white cops at the time. So obviously it's not racism, right? I mean, it still is kind of like, how do I say this? Right? Even slavery, they were black overseas. They were an all white, black cop white cop. I noticed the clearest one there but it's the institution itself that's racist, which allows us to move forward. Cops on him Have to be but they're empowered. Because they can do a lot of things to a lot of people. No problem, no kickback no nothing. And that's the kind of situation we deal with. And that's what you live with, because there's no way of getting around it. You think like, well, you're you're trying to wrap your head around, like, well walk me, how can he black men do these things to this young black boy? And there's not much you can do about that. The truth of the matter is, the system itself is designed as a tool in arm. Not necessarily for law enforcement bore more for protecting certain people, I guess you can say, we've seen it before about you know, people wiling out on cops and everything else. You can go on YouTube right now. And you can see like white people wiling out on cops, like over parking tickets, like over like speeding tickets, they tend to shut up and cursing them out. It's in the face of Pokemon, which is then happened to them. The issue was, so it is to completely clear. And I don't know any other way to say it. Just disproportionate way that people of color are harmed, assaulted, murdered by law enforcement. Then listen, say there's an issue with those officers. They're in, instinctively protected, they are constantly doing this with no avail. They constantly do these things with no form of retribution, or a no jail time, something else like this. Because in all honesty, the only reason that we're talking about it is because it happened to be a camera on that poll. That wasn't a camera in that poll. It would have been their word against a dead man, and they would have been walking free still doing whatever they're doing.

Jeff: 12:41

But yo, but they all had the body cams on like they don't give a fuck they know the body cameras on and they still don't give a fuck.

Anthony: 12:48

Yeah, but I know what the body cam is. I can always shift it this way. Like one guy took it off where like, he went toe to toe with Scott like just because its own like, he just shows you what's in front of you. Right? If other guys kicking the ass and other guys kind of looks away, it turns up. But it's a bunch of stuff going on. It's moving back and forth. It's not just a Steadicam, like that happened, the body cam is supposed to help and I think it does. And it has had some type of help shore. But that doesn't change things. That's a that's a band aid over a gaping hole. Like you said, the promise of the institution that you allow officers to be protected, that they protect each other. Because I mean, we've had this conversation with me, Laura, but like a while ago, the whole thing about like policing and everything else like that truly comes down to this. It's a it's a matter of clear transparency. And it's a matter of real action. No actionable functional, no community policing, like being those guys neighborhood. You know, Mayor proceeded to talk about that when a guy's from the place from Passaic to like, you know, be the ones that are in the neighborhood, they know these people, they're familiar with them, so on so forth. And the biggest issue that there's a lack of accountability, like people are putting their lives on the line for this. And I get that. Now a lot of people can be cops, but they're, you have to be able to hold them accountable for the actions that they do. And like I said, I understand the whole you know, one bad apple spoils a bunch. And yeah, I mean, it's one of those weird statements that people say but it's just that you know, people of color keep picking bad apples like we never get the good green when we never get to the sharp red when we're when we're gonna get some good solid policing here it's always that long standing issue with no no colored communities and the police has been going on I mean across this country forever there's a lack of general distrust in regards to it and they haven't done enough to really try to heal it like like, you know, we have these community protesters we're trying to do we can to work with them and in situations like this pop up that I mean, the other issue I really had with this is that it was like one of those specialty like policing units but from historically whenever you had those there's always some kind of malfeasance or corruption or, or something else like that like, like training day like the group that didn't go Washington was one that was based on I think LAPD rampart crashing it and like said they were stealing drugs and stealing drugs and dealing them and they were committing crime delivering Rite Aid to police officers. When you create a specialized unit like them to complete in neighborhoods where they basically brutalized attack and beat up people like their overseers the long arm particular brand and law were like this continues to happen but then once it does, all you do is just disband the unit. You create it in the first place you never did any oversight or what they're actually doing or hearing from these people. Like say the thing with Tyree Nichols that after that happened People came forward, they were terrified before but like now these guys in jail, you can go in and talk about this. They're like, No, there was one of those officers did some shit to me and stuck a gun in my face or one of them robbed me, these kinds of things continue to happen. And these are the things that you know, are done by, you know, criminals, not police. I figure that they don't really make any kind of noise or distinction of distortion until it happens to a particular community that can really have some impact on the police, for example, by me, I think was a week or so ago, some gentleman walked near a Jewish temple. And I don't know if he had a weapon. I think the guy like Senegal, to have cocktails in Senegal, thank you, thank you, thank you. The guy had a Molotov cocktail in the tent, like he didn't like he just had there, had an air, he had him on the news once the fourth. Every time I drove past it, they have police barricades up and two cops in the parking lot. Like to hear him commit a crime. He was under threat that that might happen. And that community stood around it and it got the police involved. I went by this morning when I was going to the supermarket. And I see two barricades sit in front, two cops sitting in the back, just for something that didn't even happen. Like there was no crime committed, there was a threat of a crime. But they banded together kind of do something about this. We try to work with the police, we try to do something about it. We go to these meetings, we speak to sergeants and officers and we speak to the like the police commission, everything else in it and nothing changes. It's still the same brand of violence, the same type of brutality put towards people. And the thing is, like I said, After that happened, the first thing that begins like, Oh, please don't start burning things down. That's an act of rebellion. It's an act of anger, they can't help it like, people get sick of this shit like that. So the issue itself isn't what those officers necessarily, like I said, they are an extension of a nefarious system that's only causing this pain to go deeper and deeper into the cause of another life. And I'm pretty sure before two years out, there will be another and we'll do the same old thing. And until we actually try to make some real different stories and keep playing the same record over and over.

Jeff: 17:57

It's definitely systemic, but I think that police, men and women should be required to take some type of psychological evaluations periodically of quarterly, you know what I'm saying? Because I feel like it's definitely their trigger, they're triggered very easily trigger happy, you know, in the sense of not only, you know, physically, but mentally they're very impulsive, you know what I mean? And that impulse is usually aggressive.

Anthony: 18:26

Violent wonder why

Jeff: 18:28

you're not I mean, yeah, like what was going on up there? There has to be something emotionally wrong with these people. You know, where they were the kid that was bullied their whole life and now they cops and it has some type of complex, I don't know what it is, you know, they need to see have some therapies, you know, some therapists on call on payroll that can evaluate these people and talk to them and and figure out what the fuck is going on because you look at these guys wrong and some of them just ruined right away aggressive. I was watching a video of some dude was drinking a Pepsi or Coca Cola in the streets and you had the can but the cop couldn't really see the can because the guy's hand is covering it. So he's recording the whole shit on Tik Tok and the cops pull over and they come up to him two dudes come step walking up to him bro right away and the dude is like, Yo, we had this backup off me we need to see what you're drinking. He's like why don't what the fuck am I drinking alcohol we like we don't notice what we need to see. We you know we're doing our job we're trying to make sure the community safe we only nobody out here drinking. He's like, I'm drinking a fucking soda bro, like, back back the fuck up. You know, and I get it people are you know, belligerent with the cops, they don't cooperate. And they you know, they get aggressive with the cops and they you know, they run away from them or they don't show the hands whatever the shit is. But that's another topic to like, was that about but that's because of the fear. Or you know what I mean? The stigma already behind the policeman. So it actually has to change the whole system as this change. Reform is obviously something that needs to be considered strongly.

Anthony: 19:58

I want to talk to a white person that lives in a well off neighborhood and asked him if the police ever asked him to show them the hands never. Like I really want to ask them that question. Like, like, have you ever like been pulled over in a cop? Like actually put your hands on the wheel?

Jeff: 20:14

I have my shit on the wheels already just because I don't want no issues but I've seen them having their hands on the gun. You never see that shit when they walk up to you like their hand is already on the gun like they're expecting some shit. I think that's a flawed mentality to have. I mean I get a lot of shit is going on here where cops are getting shot and vice versa and they feel threatened their life is threatened. But should we feel like our life is threatened to and just walking up to us with a hand already on the gun. So something has to change. We're on both ends where we feel threatened by you. You automatically feel threatened by us why? Why is that even a thing you don't I'm saying like you're supposed to serve and protect right? So why don't we feel threatened by you and why would a routine stop you feel like you have to approach me With your hand on the gun already, but I don't, I don't like you said I want to talk to a white man and see how many times they've been approached by an officer with his hand on his gun already. Because I bet you the chances are, it's overwhelmingly more that it's happened to black and brown people than it has you know, I'm saying to Caucasian men

Anthony: 21:17

were just so overly aggressive. Like it's like you might have caught me not wearing my seatbelt. And that's fine. I mean, it happens but like if I look at my side mirror and I see somebody walking towards me the first thing I see is their hand on the hip and like I don't think it deserves that kind of reaction like even the dude you're talking about with the the bottle like you're the grown man right?

Jeff: 21:41

Grow man it was a Kanika soda from the cops is like yo we need to see what you got in there. Right now first of all step back and he acts with their badge numbers and acts with their IDs and all of that shit and eventually they just walked away to do was like yeah, I don't have the right to come up to my porch and fucking ask me what the fuck I'm drinking or whatever.

Anthony: 22:00

You don't you don't and they're there. If you're an adult you're allowed to have an alcoholic beverage there was no call there was no sign of public drunkenness I was sitting right here you can't step started from sitting on my own property. As a matter of fact I just stood right up on their porch like you know if you take a segment on porch we need to warm this private property right here. I couldn't we're here to drink all goddamn day and that's

Jeff: 22:21

another thing too. I see a lot of videos where the cops are trying to search your car and if you know your law I see a lot of people telling them like now you don't have a warrant you don't have the right to fucking search my car and I think that gets cops even more angry like when you when you try to throw the law on them you know I'm saying and when you know more more about the law than they do they get they get tight and like in the in the tight in the Tyree Nichols video you see the cop the one cop is is Mason him you know spray and pepper spray all over the fucking guy's face right? And at one point he accidentally sprays himself. Oh, that should pissed him off. Like I'm gonna take my anger on my dumb ass. Accidentally pepper spraying myself. I'm gonna take that anger out on you. So he walked away you see him walk away. He's like huffing and puffing and breathing. He's like, Oh, and then you know, I'm sorry. He's pissed off and once he comes back gonna get this beaten. Because now I'm even more peers that you made me run you may my fat ass runs so I'm exhausted. And then you made me pepper spray myself because I'm a dumbass. Now I'm even more angrier. Now. I'm gonna take the shit out on you more. Kick him in the face with a timberland boot. Put you in the face on some knockout sheer walk while cops is holding you. With your hands behind your back handcuffed. MAFAC is just swinging haymakers. The shit is hard to watch, bro.

Anthony: 23:36

Yeah, you can't they do too much policing and they don't have. Yeah, they need to work more on conflict resolution than policing.

Jeff: 23:50

They're not really serving and protecting bro, if they're fucking up our community, you know who's in here? Because even let me tell you what I would do if I'm a cop. And I couldn't be a cop. Because you know, I would probably make the city no money. They wouldn't like me because I wouldn't be giving out tickets left and right. Like they would want. You know, I'm saying I wouldn't be bringing people in fish. If I pull you over and I see you're inebriated. Guess what? I'm gonna probably drive you home. You know, I'm saying that's serving and protecting. Making sure you're not hurting yourself and making sure you're not out here serving a hurting nobody else you know, I'm saying. I'm gonna be like, Look, buddy, we're gonna park your car right here and I'm gonna drive you home. You could come get this shit tomorrow. What the worst case scenario we're gonna have to tow the car. You have to pay that but I'm gonna take you home safely. You're not I'm saying instead, they fucking get all aggressive and they do all this other shit. Like, if you're serving and protect Chevron protect bro. Even if you have to protect me from myself, you know, I'm saying

Anthony: 24:45

like, Is it their idea to focus on policing and not really on? Conflict Resolution? Like, like, defuse this shit first, calm people down. Your presence is going to rile them up. Let them know that you're the good guy. Let them know like all my job is to do right now is to get everybody home safely or if there's a crime and committed get the information that it needs so we can try to get the perpetrator right I need to do anything else. They come in and they like they want they want numbers names. What do you live like? You know, I got shit to do with this. I mean, a cop like who was you with like, my luck I've been here those my focus was fighting not me.

Jeff: 25:26

And a lot of times they got the wrong motherfuckers they grabbed the first black face him like was him like Oh, it wasn't me, bro.

Anthony: 25:35

Yeah, and everyone's like, you got the wrong guy. Like we know what we're doing. Like, we were here.

Jeff: 25:40

We got we got a call and they said the suspect was a black male like yo, there's 100 of us out here. He's just gonna grab the first one you see, huh? Maybe like do Yeah, he fits the criteria blackmail Let's just grab this motherfucker. And like every, every person that runs a red light, every person that's, you know, driving with a cell phone in hand, or every person that's driving around with expired plates, or whatever, these, you know, that doesn't necessarily automatically mean that they're a criminal, right? You forgot to send in your paperwork, if you can't afford to pay the fees that you know, whatever the case may be, let's get down to the bottom of that first, though, before assuming that they're automatically a criminal. And we got to approach them aggressively and cough tobacco right away, because his mom fucking might be, you know, I'm saying he might be a threat to society, just because I pulled him over, he ran a stop sign. So I'm gonna approach it with my hand on my gun, I'm calling for three for backups. Like, you know, pull me over what happened? Why? Why is your plates expired? I can't afford it. Officer, I What is what we're gonna do, I'm gonna give you a break. Make sure you get this shift fixed. I'm gonna drive you home. So nobody else pulls you over whatever, you know, I'm saying there has to be other resolutions more peaceful ways of handling shit. Without immediately going into aggression mode. And I feel like we should find a cop. I know some cops. I don't know if you know any cops. Maybe we got to get a cop on the show. And just listen to their perspective. You know what I'm saying? I think that might help because we got to have the discussion. We have to have the discussion. We could sit here all day and talk about cops need to stop killing black brothers and shit. But let's have a cop on here. Because before when the whole show was, you know, why are cops constantly shooting at the chest, or at the head of Black Folk? Instead of going for the arm or for the leg? And I used to ask that to people that I know that were cops, I would always ask that question like, Yo, why you're so quick to shoot at the chest, or shoot at the head. And they would always tell me this is how we are trained, right? We are taught to shoot at the Medius Park, the head of the chest. a moving target is very hard to hit, let alone a limb or an arm and a leg. So we go for the easiest target. And I'm like, Alright, I get that. But then that's when we have to start talking about police reform. Because maybe the way they're being taught is obsolete and needs to be changed. You don't I'm saying there's no reason fire. You know, if if you get a call blackmail and you see the first black man on the street, and he got a pack of Skittles in his hands or he has a water gun in his hand that you immediately got to shoot him in the chest that ahead without really getting down to the bottom of what the issue is, or the facts. You don't I mean,

Anthony: 28:19

right, you're trained they're not right, you know what to do in this situation. So you got to take everything into account and make the right and proper reaction. Right and properly I can do unnecessary stuff with pulling the pistol out and start shooting.

Jeff: 28:31

Like I get being being skeptical or being cautious if you see somebody reaching for something great. You be cautious you defend yourself. I get that hide behind some because you will know. But the first instinct is to automatically shoot any semblance of a threat. Boom, they shoot. They don't give a fuck. They're gonna ask questions later. And that's what one thing that one cop told me he said we're trying to shoot first ask questions later, we shoot for the head of the chest. If we feel threatened, if we feel threatened at all, we are trained to fucking shoot and ask questions later. But why do you feel threatened? And I feel like you know when they see you reaching for something, you know what I mean? If you reach in, or if you have something in your hands that they can't identify turns out to be a fucking candy bar. Oh, you're dead now. Sorry about that. There has to be a better way.

Anthony: 29:14

Shit you're reaching for your gun for you to say something to me should not feel threatened.

Jeff: 29:18

The times I've gotten pulled over in the mafia asked me for my papers. I let them know like, Look, man, I gotta go in this glove compartment. I'm reaching. I'm going to open this up. And they look at me like I'm in calm the fuck down. I'm like now making a note that I'm reaching for the shade because you asked me for the papers. I gotta reach for these papers to pull them out. You

Anthony: 29:40

slow to like, look, see my hand, right? I'm pressing the button. Light came well. Okay, it's paper to hold on here. Take him out. You go. I'll be right back. He's sitting there are terrified fucking light flashing behind like shit. Here we go with this bullshit again. Anyway, okay, everything's good going away. I think we put them in the first five complaints. You know what's good?

Jeff: 30:05

Yeah, so, I don't know, man. We got to figure out how to get a cop on here to talk this shit over and try to see if we could come to some type of resolution together. But until then, we're gonna continue to see these shifts. And oh, and I don't know the thing too. And you tell me if this is racist. So the first black cops the first cops that got fired the five the first five were black, right. So they they business got put on Jump Street from immediately right. We knew who they were they got fired everything right without pay. Then they revealed that there was a sixth cop right that was there. And he was white. And he got suspended. Did they fire him yet? Because, because that's the thing we're not sure. We know the five black cops got fired right away, right? The one white cop they kept his name hidden. We didn't know much about him. You know what I'm saying? Like, what's that about? Don't give a fuck if he's white. Put his ads with the other five cops that got fired and put his name out there put his face and pictures out there. Let us know who he is and fire his ass to immediately but what was your part of the initial ask? It don't matter. He was there right? If you're there, you're a co conspirator if you even if you ain't put your hands on dude, matter of fact, they say he was the one that dragged him out of the car, the white dude. But even but even but even so, bro, if you're yo the EMTs were just standing there named Lucious with a cold pitch to your co conspirator, bro, if you can do shit. If you're dating

Anthony: 31:46

and do not you're gonna catch you're gonna have to, you know, sit this one out, you're gonna catch this suspension without pay is going to come in I know you can get a unified but they're gonna lose that disk because you were derelict of your duty, you're supposed to know provide no first aid and medical assistance at the time, you're supposed to assist this gentleman like, they all stand around talking, he just leaned on the car like slumped, makes it he didn't die of me. He died days later. But I mean, he's in the hospital for a few days, he Miyabi should add him to the degree so much like it like he had to keep fighting for his life over a span of three days, then he died, then this kind of comes out. Now everyone will get what they do. And they only get to just sit there. So I'm not really worried about that. I think I'm worried about like I said, it's like the the system itself allows this to happen. It'll continue to allow to happen, because it doesn't affect a very underserved community. So therefore, they don't really care. Like if they beat this kid and they beat this kid to death. What's going to happen is that they'll go to prison. Then people be like, everything's alright with the world. But it's not because little The same thing happened before George Floyd, watched man suffer, watch the dark cops went to jail. It didn't serve as a deterrent. And instead it was stopped if I see it keeps going. As a matter of fact, when viewing a video is it makes it worse. It doesn't improve anything. You put them like you suspending them and like we complain about well, that guy should be suspended to that guy should be fired, like, Alright, great, but it's not really changing anything. It's not changing the applecart there's still a bunch of apples you need to get out there. I'm sorry. I just hate that one bad apple spoils a bunch. It's not the fucking apple. It's the fucking tree. You need to chop the tree down and build a new one. Because for some reason it keeps keep kicking out bad apples that we keep eating. Right. No one's complaining about that. But that's the part for me that I feel that has to differ. Is the system itself of policing that is an issue like why do you feel that black and brown communities are the most dangerous when the mass shootings that go on oh that have been going on are the ones that have been like shown worldwide are generally done by a lighter fare people are done by white people. I don't see their communities getting press more. I don't see you kicking in the doors or fucking with their families, or rouse them on corners about what they got drink in their hands. No, you go for an easier target. So fuck that bad apple thing. I don't care. Fuck your apples. Just get rid of the tree, the tree and that the problem is that if they want to get down and get rid of the tree, the roots are so fucking deep and into this country. They're gonna pull up some shit they don't want to do that's why just leave it there. Because, you know, like I said, they said you saying that they're black officers. But he said black, like they were black overseers of slavery to didn't make a difference. Everyone needs some kind of like, they need some kind of enforcement arm to make sure you keep people in line before. There are people on plantations. And like I said Holocaust there were soldiers. And here they have police. There's not much of a difference. You just changing badges and title numbers. But like I said, if you want to get rid of it, you got to get rid of the tree. But like, the roots are so deep and so ingrained to our country, they just really don't want to do it. Because they're gonna reveal some very unkind truths that they really don't want to talk about. Like, the whole like Ron DeSantis thing, like when you're like AP African American Studies, like, because they're gonna talk about things like this and you don't want to really get on that topic. Like I said, that's part of the route. That's how deep the shit goes and you want to change it. We got to start there, all this little stuff and talking to police and getting them of all the community no need to burn the shit. Now you need to start from scratch and figure out what it says because every time you try to redo something or reassess what the problem is the same problems keep popping up, therefore you're not getting to the root until you get to the root keeps your feet in motion.

Jeff: 35:54

But check it according to CNN, to emergency medical technicians and a fire department Lieutenant have been terminated over their response to Nichols January 7 encounter with members of now disbanded unit of the police department Memphis fire chief Gina sweat said check this out. An investigation concluded that the two EMTs failed to conduct an adequate patient assessment of Mr. Nichols after responding based on both the initial call in which they heard a person was pepper sprayed and information they were told at the scene. Him and

Anthony: 36:31

so are seeking to get rid of them. So who's going to replace them? And what kind of training they're going to have when you replace them? Rather than be like community based? Like what is their psychological profile? Have they have any history of violence in the past any history of violence within their families? Have they had any kind of drug or substance abuse issue that you're not aware of? Do you know how they handle stress or how they how they deal with it or how they handle dangerous situations? You need them to like kind of forge a better path. You need to have people that are a little bit more well adjusted for very difficult job. No one ever does private hire somebody who has a proper resume like come on in

Jeff: 37:04

the way companies are hiring people now. They were like can you drive? You got a license? Yeah, you got a criminal record? No Ico here. You start on Monday.

Anthony: 37:11

Yep. But what about the paperwork? We'll get to that. If the drug test

Jeff: 37:15

we'll get to the drug to the official account. It says like this, it says police pulled nickels over and what they initially said was on suspicion of reckless driving. Officers yanked him out of his car and he ran away after officers deployed pepper spray and a taser to try to make him lie prone MINUTES LATER offers like what was that about? Officers would minutes later they would catch up with him at a second location and hit or kick him numerous times. Like come on, man. And then the thing is to these punk ass causes four or five, six of them. You can't detain one dude, bro. Especially if you suspect that he's under the influence of something that should make it even easier for you to detain him. So what kind of training are these policemen getting where it takes four or five dudes to take one person down bro

Anthony: 38:02

and as you can see, the man didn't have anything in his hand. So it's

Jeff: 38:04

like and then you got to pepper spray him Hit him with batons, kick and punch them and shit. Like what's really, it shouldn't take no more than two officers to grab them, put them down, handcuffed them and put them in the back of a call. Like if 511 and even then that suspect without probable cause but but he's but he still lives in that scenario. Drag him out. Handcuff him, put them in the back of the police call in and figure out what's going on. And he's alive at that point. You know, I'm saying and everybody lives you know, we might still yell racism if you're doing this for no reason but but the gentleman still lives right.

Anthony: 38:38

Right but if you're doing it for no reason that gentleman still lives and there's some kind of malfeasance you have your day in court. You don't have his day in court the officers will but no, Tyrion Nichols can speak on his behalf he can't tell what happened or whatever cuz he's going down. And that's one of them.

Jeff: 38:54

She they gonna get the books thrown on the on get the books thrown out. They're gonna make an example especially with a black cop they're gonna make an example of these motherfuckers

Anthony: 39:03

Nah, they won't they tried to did that with a with George Floyd. It's just still happened like we'll have more and we'll get more and like no part of the problem of policing is kind of like the problem the legal system like this should go on drag off a month like nigga This is open and shut like we can get this done by lunch like this is just obvious like we don't need to pull up all these people we have to take we have them out of hiding on talk their way around this shit. They like so that swing right there with the baton. We trying to protect yourself like no you're beating his ass and the man died is pretty obvious. This should go and drag out I hate the part about the legal system when just like yo don't worry about taking no plea deal man even give you all your max just just you know stay comfortable themselves. Like don't worry about it. To remember what they're shopping like he was home. He was chillin waiting for the trial. He got bail. He's out here kicking me. He wasn't sure it's like that just just too busy. But he's like he was he was outside. He wasn't sitting in the cell this whole time. I know a couple of offers probably got bailed and things like that. And it's in a home. And my biggest complaint about all this shit is this. When you do this, like I watch out, when these things happen, I watch it once I don't revisit this watch or want to watch the OCC six minutes of everything that occurred. And I explain to people like why do you do it? And it says it's actually weird, but allow me to explain. You look at situations like this and this occurs and everything else like that. And these things come forward. No, he was the father, the husband. They were pillar the community. They were the church. They were coach. They were part of it. part of something, they, they put these things in front of it, like father, brother, officer, friend. So these these things that kind of narrow our focus on what a person is like, you might have a teacher named Mr. Morris, but in your mind is because you see the person as teacher, it aims your focus, it narrows it, I watch it, because it's to me, I try to avoid titles in regards to people, like doctor, lawyer, whatever, doesn't matter. I try to look at people like humans. And when he did that, and when I watched it, and watch them brutalized this young man, I realized at that moment, they took the humanity out of it. Because like, if you're a human trying to to another human with a kind of basic dignity, dignity, respect, they will do what you did, or do what you said they should have did, call them down, cuffed them, whatever, call the day. They didn't. They disregarded humanity. And they beat that boy to death. I like I know people who would treat dogs, they, they would hit a person and they but they wouldn't hit a dog. And I've always found it a bit weird. But again, I tried to look at things not humanely, but in the sense of humanity. The moment you do that, they kind of give up their right to do so. Because you have all the power to do something you had a choice at that moment, all five of you to make this a peaceful transaction and do whatever y'all need to do and put them aside to celebrate came down to that y'all didn't do that. You beat him, brutalize them, you killed him, you let that be you but that happened. So when a situation like this, I kind of I don't give a fuck about them. I'm gonna fuck the cops. I'm gonna fuck today, man, I'm gonna fuck with a black. The moment God took that man's life by choice, once you lose your humanity, I really don't have anything else more to say to do with you, this whole trial can be a waste of time, you're going to put the guys behind jail for the rest of their life. Because like, this is not the bit of changing point or something's going to shift, you're gonna get people on TV talking again, and it's going to happen again. Because again, we're not fixing the system, we're not treating the problem. We're just treating the symptoms. And the problem with that is always going to be we're not getting to the root issue or whatever it's supposed to be. And the biggest problem is that we're talking about no police should do this. And police should do that and so on so forth. I think what you're trying to get people to just treat people like human fucking beings like their life matters, that if you want to put a title in front of it, that they are a brother, they are assisted they are on a nephew, or whatever. That means there's something that they do for others that makes an impact on the world, or someone that matches them that makes an impact in this world. And the fact that you want to just you know, maybe snuff them out can image run quarter mile some shit like that. Just wrong, cannot eliminate the humanity thinks the moment you do so. We're no different from the animals and they treated that boy like animal and ain't got no sympathy for none of that shit.

Jeff: 43:51

Check it out. Preston Hemphill was the sixth cop. He had been suspended as he was investigated for his role in the January 7 Arrest of Nichols who died in a hospital three days later. Five Memphis officers have already been fired and charged with second degree murder in nickels. That was really quick wasn't it? You got the five black cops they're gonna get fired and charged with second degree murder real quick. Meanwhile, we've seen praying I don't know if they're making an example out of them or they finally trying to do something but we've seen in the past you know these white cops have killed a black person and they go to try when the shit drags out six months and you know they chillin at home with a leave of absence which pay you not I'm saying and then check this out. Hemphill was the third officer at the traffic stop that preceded the arrest, but was not at the location where Nichols was beaten after he ran away. On body camera footage from the initial stop Hemphill is heard saying that he used the stun gun against nickels. Why? And this is the part that gets me here. And he's heard declaring, I hope they stomp his ass. Along with breaking rules regarding the use of a stun gun Hemphill was also fired for violations of personal conduct and truthfulness. Police said in a statement All right, so they eventually fired his ass. Police announced him full suspension on January 30. But they said him Phil was actually suspended shortly after the arrest.

Anthony: 45:13

Yeah, it becomes a fact finding mission like the things you find out you find out later because it takes time to and of course he was waiting there. Yeah, but I mean, you're a part of the shit. So you're going down with everybody else. Like the trolls Norenberg like, we didn't really mean to put them in ovens. We were just doing our job like doing your jobs doesn't work. Like if you cannot. If you're if your job supersedes your humanity, something's gone horribly wrong. Horribly Wrong. And if you can't see that, then this is a bigger problem what it is

Jeff: 45:50

but I am Before we go I want to touch bases on the most death tone shit I've ever seen. And of course it happens in fucking Miami, Florida because Florida is the armpit of the country right? Do we agree on that?

Anthony: 46:04

It's literally at the bottom of it and shaped like a big so sure.

Jeff: 46:08

In honor of Black History Month Miami Mayor Ponzi pasta leader Francis Suarez, why is his name so long?

Anthony: 46:18

I think it might be Cuban Ponzi pasta

Jeff: 46:20

Lita Francis Suarez just unveiled a black history police cruiser with images of Africa all over and I'll put the link in the show notes for motherfuckers that haven't seen it. They it wasn't like an event like this was some big as event at the do with the take off the black shit off the car. And it's a fucking police cruiser. with Black Lives Matters just ship plastered all over it. Can this shit can Florida be any more tone deaf bro? That That car is gonna be a bull's eye for shit. Like yo, that shit. I will spit on that car. Every time I see that shit passing by that car every time they see more man like who's gonna be the person that's gonna be in charge of driving that shit. It's gonna be a white cop. Or they're gonna be a black cop or Spanish cobbler who's gonna drive this show? I'm not kidding that call

Anthony: 47:06

off the rocks in your day like my driving I shut down.

Jeff: 47:10

You bro. We can put a white competition

Anthony: 47:13

for blue lives matter. They put black lives matter. It's not like they put it on all of it. They put it on one. It's kind of ironic to be like that'd be real fucked up. Like I'm getting lit in handcuffs to a crisis black lives matter what it is. To me. It's kind of dark like I'm going to jail in the Black Lives Matter scar. Oh my god, well, you gotta get points or something like they tried but now I'm sorry. Sorry to say this man and saying that this this really this really? And I mean, really? It's not It's a terrible fucking idea. The fact is that, you know, just wasn't like on a whim. Like, they got to kind of like clear this through a couple of people. And then get it done. And then when they saw like, man, that looks beautiful. That's a great idea. It's a terrible idea. Like how would you feel if like you'd like Hispanic lives matter on the front of it?

Jeff: 48:05

Nah, man we don't need all that bro.

Anthony: 48:08

Recently better police and fuck your car. We

Jeff: 48:10

don't need that ship.

Anthony: 48:13

I'm serious. Fuck your car. We don't need none of this shit like Yo dawg, like like the money you could have put in that budget like you could have like sponsored Midnight Basketball, some kind of you know, some some for the community like that will keep you know kids Altria Oh take whatever that that shit whatever money put towards that and put it towards like, like drug treatment or like our like our outreach programs. You know, it's like that for real

Jeff: 48:36

create a shelter, get somebody who's homeless people off the streets create a park make a basketball court for kids to be playing in instead of being on the streets like they've got a you know, a couple$1,000 that it cost them to make that shit they could have did that they could have you know put that to better use.

Anthony: 48:51

Cops get pissed off by like people tend to fund the police is not the fund the police is like, we basically there are people within the community that want to help the community. Y'all can't do it. All you need is not Superman or Superwoman. You don't fly around from place to place trying to save lives. There are people actively in the community that are trying to you know, get people off drugs, get them off alcohol, get them housing, give them clothing, give them shelter, things like that, that money can go towards like that's there's your your your us being in lockstep. You don't have to do all this you don't have to do all the drug things because the money that you're going to put towards no more policing, we can take that we can try to actually help the people who actually make the community better. But you taking the money and getting a fucking Black Lives Matter truck. Like for who for what, like we met for the shit again, lets people get out of pocket black people did not ask for this shit at all. When I listened suggestions, a Black Lives Matter police car. I don't think we wrote the shit in pencil or crayon. It's something we never wanted. It was y'all ideas this fucking terrible. But it's par for course, people try to do things and it seemed completely tone deaf and then not realizing like what you're kind of doing is really not even low key racist, kind of high key racist. I think you'll get what I'm talking about. Whenever you get around to watching new people, you understand exactly what I mean by that because there's one particular character where they do certain things and it's like, cringe worthy. But if you're a person of color, like Yeah, I get that one.

Jeff: 50:22

Let's talk about police reform. Let's talk about reparations. Instead of spending money on putting black history or you know, Black History Month, fucking stickers all over your call, let's use that money to have some fucking meetings to put together some meetings where the community can come together with the with the with the police, and with the congressmen and women and mayors of the cities issue like that. And let's talk about police. form. Let's talk about reparations. Let's talk about what the fall we can do to stop killing each other and actually keep our city safe and actually have the police force serve and protect, instead of instill fear in the community like they do now,

Anthony: 51:07

you're talking about getting the tax man on the brink of reparations. That's, that's the main touching man. Like, how do you how do you calculate? loss? And how do you calculate

Jeff: 51:18

a, the same way they calculate the same way they calculate? If you're a Native American, and then if they can trace back your heritage, you don't get to pay no taxes.

Anthony: 51:29

Yeah, but the whole thing is like, like, we stole your

Jeff: 51:32

land and this and we're gonna keep it we're not gonna give it back. We're gonna keep the land that we stole from you. But this is what we'll do for you. Well, we'll let you live on your own land that we stole, which is now ours. We'll let you live on it. tax free. How about how's that, buddy? That's what they basically doing right now. It's

Anthony: 51:47

not good enough. That's what they're doing for Native Americans. Yeah, but it gave me the shittiest land. It's not like the game fucking Midtown Manhattan. Fucking cold North Dakota anyway, trying to be next year.

Jeff: 51:58

You're gonna be upstate somewhere in the boondocks of upstate New York. And you know, there's no street lights in the street that you're going to live on to shit around there. Because as you ain't paying taxes we ain't spending money to put shit around it.

Anthony: 52:11

Somewhere in the middle of America. You're gonna be flat or like everybody else.

Jeff: 52:14

These motherfuckers are starting fires and they backyards and shit to warm weather. You know, they they doing their own shit. They get in well, water.

Anthony: 52:22

But yeah, so it's a fucked up trade off. Like, this is what you want. It was not what you want it. But they set it up that way to me, like, you're gonna get my 40 acres. Like let me pick like, let me get down and then I go into that, Jack see instead of me like, Yeah, I think it's probably 40 Because more fuck them you let me

Jeff: 52:40

pay and they'll justify and they'll justify by saying you wouldn't even know what to do with Time Square. So we go hold on to it. We're gonna hold on to it. We're gonna give you this little shit in fucking Pennsylvania somewhere. North Dakota somewhere

Anthony: 52:55

I'm filming right now if they ever give like black people reparations, like land was all in the middle of the country.

Jeff: 53:01

And even if they did give you land, they all tax the fuck out that land.

Anthony: 53:04

Doesn't matter. It's like you own it. But you're gonna give us two axes. The other story about a family that had a strip of land and in California, that the state of California returned to them and then they sold it back to California for $2 million. When people were mad about it. I'm like, No, that's the right thing to do. Because if you have the if you have the land you have to pay taxes on it. You can't afford it. You might as well cash it out to people always thinking like you know, no land is King lands not King, real estates King you can have all the land in the world, you still have to develop it. You give me 200 acres right now it's not worth shit until I actually put something on it. We can actually like make money. Just having land doesn't have anything only profit and what have from it. It's about you know, sell it. So just having it doesn't make a difference. So them giving them that land didn't make any impact in the neighborhood. I can't really build anything. The only time it really worked was in Uncasville, Connecticut because that's what Mohegan Sun this they took, they built the casino there. But they you know, they had this tax free to them and so on so forth. But that's them. They don't have like any casinos all over the place. It's just kind of fortunately like the ones like in the Midwest, those are Indian operated because it's a tax free land and able to work something out and build things there. And like I said, but that but that's all kind of the business it is not anything more anything less. So that's necessarily good trade off reparations is a whole nother conversation I gotta have trust me. I've been reading about reparations for more than I will say 15 years now. And I've read tremendous great and I mean, mind blowing life changing articles about it from both points of view. But reparations is hard. It'd be great. We didn't have

Jeff: 54:43

to do a whole episode about that.

Anthony: 54:46

She it easy to see easy money.

Jeff: 54:49

But I you know Dr. Mae Jemison said never be limited by others other people's limited imaginations the culture check out the website theculture.one it's ya boy Jeff, for Ant

Anthony: 55:04

glad you got the black person right this time.

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