Selective Outrage

The aftermath of Chris Rock's latest comedy special, Selective Outrage, lends itself to some social commentary and who better than to have the conversation than The Culture.

Topics Discussed:

• Creed 3
• Chris Rock's comedy special
• Will Smith
• Is selective outrage warranted?

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Raekwon, Ghostface Killah - We Ain't Came to Lose

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Transcript

Jeff: 0:51

Yo, yo, yo, thank you for tuning in to another episode of the culture. Boy Jeff, here with my man ant. We're gonna be talking about selective outrage

Anthony: 1:03

was good. Yeah. Tell you on purpose.

Jeff: 1:08

Selective outrage, man. And of course, that was the theme and the title of Chris Rock's new live stand up special on Netflix. It sounds like a fucking commercial finance shit. But I'm doing it without

Anthony: 1:23

getting paid either. So like, I don't know. You said it. Couldn't you check.

Jeff: 1:27

Shout out to The Culture Crew. Like I thought that was a good theme. Like that was his theme. You know what I mean? Selective outrage. But that also goes well with what's going on in society. You know, I'm saying so I figured like, Yo, that's true. Because people get mad at what they want to get mad at, you know what I'm saying? And for example, you know, remember last week, I mentioned that, you know, I'm trying to get this LGBTQ person to come on the show. So I was gonna come over here this week, and just fucking rant and curse him out. You know, I'm saying because I wasn't hearing from from dude. And right when I got that thought, I received the email from the gentleman. I'm not gonna say his name yet until he comes on the show. You know, I'm saying I'm not gonna put him out there. But I was gonna come on here this week, and I was gonna be like, Yo, fuck him. Fuck the LGBTQ because they never want to talk about shit. You know what I mean? I was gonna rant but he emailed me. Right when I had that thought. And he apologized. You know? He's, he's been real busy. But he's, he's willing to come on. So we're gonna have him on next week. Okay, you know, I'm saying

Anthony: 2:30

you can't get mad because I forgot to do.

Jeff: 2:32

No, I was gonna get mad and I was getting mad. Because they don't be wanting to talk about shit. Like me him was going back and forth on the email until I broke down the topics that I want to discuss, right. I want to talk about you know, all the topics that a lot of people have questions about when it pertains to LGBTQ transgenders, etc. So I broke down the list of shit I want to discuss and then I hear from him I hear from dude for like a week. I was like, okay, so I'll tell him what I want to talk about it disappeared. So I was like, fuck him. And then he responds you know, as you know, apologizes whatever whatever you got a lot of stuff going on. So like I cool. So I'm not going you know, it's not gonna be a form of selective outrage for me this week.

Anthony: 3:15

But we knew it didn't make no no different than manage like I got shit to do. Like, I get back to you calm down.

Jeff: 3:22

So yeah, we're gonna have probably have him next week, but this week has been it's been a slow week. But a couple of things came out this week that we both watched. We're gonna start off with creed creed three I like

Anthony: 3:38

for one I'm gonna start pushing that narrative because I'm like what was the narrative is like like like, some things came out and we got a chance to like you've watched Bellaire yet I haven't watched Bellaire Jesus fucking Christ, man.

Jeff: 3:51

Have you? Yes. I mean, they haven't released the whole season. It's like episodes, right?

Anthony: 3:56

Oh, yes. Like regular fucking TV should be yes. There's only there's only like one or two episodes. Enough to speak about back decreed.

Jeff: 4:04

Alright, well I'm not there yet. We're

Anthony: 4:08

not two months later like I'm talking about Bellet nigga that shit was two months ago and we're going to talk about that now. He's talking about finality you're talking to me? Because I still don't

Jeff: 4:16

even know how I feel about the first season. Like it left me wanting more but like you know I'm saying the left the left a void in me. I don't know. Like I'm gonna watch season two.

Anthony: 4:28

Oh boy. The focus.

Jeff: 4:31

I was expecting I was expecting more from it.

Anthony: 4:35

You can't expect you from TV math to learn that lesson by now. TV gonna show we're gonna show you call it a day.

Jeff: 4:41

Like yeah, we you know had profanity and stuff like that. And you know it was I thought it was gonna be more of a adult themed version of the old Fresh Prince of Bel Air Show. And to some degree it was but it still was a little bit popcorn like a still left a lot to be desired. You don't I'm saying like they could have went in a lot of directions with it made him more edgy. But I don't know.

Anthony: 5:08

What you want well, so I thought that she was trying to fix this. I don't know.

Jeff: 5:12

I don't know. I thought I thought Jeffrey the Butler was gonna be you know, slinging crack on the side on the low you know, I mean, or he was the Hitman for the family killing motherfuckers I don't know.

Anthony: 5:21

You mean to tell me I live in Bel Air and my side job is that I sell crack?

Jeff: 5:27

Yeah, I don't know bro. Just

Anthony: 5:30

to say those words out loud.

Jeff: 5:32

I thought the show was gonna turn into like some power type show. I mean, oh god. What was going on?

Anthony: 5:37

You know how you know how it was gonna be that because on peacock It's not unlike stars like that. They can only go so far. Like you're not gonna see somebody get shot the face no shoot like that even first episode The first season. You saw the fight. You heard like we'll grab the gun and shoot it but that was really good as violent as gonna get.

Jeff: 5:55

They don't show shit. They don't really, you know, the profanity is the only as far as they go with the profanity. That's it. There's no sexual innuendos. There's no violence like that, you know? I mean, there's no drugs being sold.

Anthony: 6:06

I don't I don't I don't want to be Carlson fucking desperate. But anyway, I want to do this.

Jeff: 6:13

Let's get back to Crete. So I watched creed you watch creed. I liked it. I'm assuming you liked it. You know, I didn't go into it with any high expectations because it's not rocky you know what I mean? He's not involved in no more. You know, you know how I feel about the Rocky movies or some of my my favorite shifts? The storytelling it is what it is, you know, I'm saying the acting is decent. I would probably argue that the acting and these creed movies is better than the acting in the old Rocky movies. Sure, because the old Rocky movies are notoriously known for having bad acting, but that's what made them so good. You know, I'm saying, if that makes sense

Anthony: 6:44

that they all suck, man. There's no good. Like, there's no good acting in any of the Rocky movies.

Jeff: 6:50

No, no, there's not. But you know, it's like, it's the music The montages you know, the drama, the stories, whatever. So is the fights. It just it makes you pumped in and I mean, exciting story.

Anthony: 7:02

The story is told in a fight. Right, right. Yes.

Jeff: 7:06

This is somehow how it is here. I've heard people you know, heard mixed reviews on this ship. Some people didn't like it, but they probably had, they came into it with you know, some type of expectation. You know what it is when you come into it? The soundtrack was amazing. I thought the soundtrack was outstanding.

Anthony: 7:23

Oh, 100%. Once that was

Jeff: 7:26

cool, it was a lot of drama and stuff. Like that was an emotional movie. The main event felt rushed. I'll say that. His boy comes out. You know what I'm saying? There's a whole backstory to it. Yeah, the homeboys and he feels like, you know, you abandoned me. I was in jail for all this time. For some that we got into together, you know, 20 years ago, we got into a scuffle together. I pulled a gun now. You ran like a bitch. I was the one that got caught. I did time I come out of jail. You rich and famous. You're the heavyweight boxing champion, which was my dream, you know what I'm saying? So they had a story to it. It was dramatic issue, but it felt like Rush. Like I just felt like they fought for really no reason. And then at the end, they make up.

Anthony: 8:13

For one, it's unrealistic for somebody to have literally no experience as a fighter to get a shot at the heavyweight title. But then I can't want to do that. But I can't say that Chris, like the whole premise of Rocky.

Jeff: 8:26

Yeah, but rocky had fights under his belt. He lost most of them.

Anthony: 8:31

Right? But he was like, he was back for do you right?

Jeff: 8:36

He was the dude that got you know, escalated other people's careers. He was the job. But he was very much a boxer, but he had a boxing career. Like he had a record you notice and this dude came out of jail had zero record. He was oh and oh, you know, he fought in jail. Yeah, and before you know, whatever, he has some type of a background. But professionally he had zero record. So he gets a chance wins and He's the champion his first fight. Like I don't know how many people that get a championship fight against the heavyweight champion of the world and their very first fight. No one so that's unrealistic. The montages the training montage is I mean, you're coming from a rocky background. You know what I'm saying? Like you would expect the montages to be more epic. And the training montages are not you know, the, they leave a lot to be desired and not memorable. Like you go think of a rocky sound of montage and that's you know, that's memorable shit and climbing mountains and you hear the music and him chopping down trees or chasing chickens or whatever the sheer rock used to do beat up on on cows and shit you know they're doing some push ups now some some mean some regular some chin ups and I let's get to the fight like what men

Anthony: 9:52

do one of the longer montage

Jeff: 9:53

we need some montages, bro, that's the shit that's the whole shit.

Anthony: 9:58

To see people work out what you got to understand that the mantises themselves are like kind of based on ridiculousness and stupidity Right. Like what is it the rocky three when him in Korea, like around the booty shorts and running up and down the beach all sweaty and

Jeff: 10:17

shit. That was some of the most that was some of the most homoerotic scenes I've ever seen in my right it's hilarious. Now they were in close to nothing running sprinting on the beach and then they just go into the water with all the close up like what was that about? Jays

Anthony: 10:34

were hoochie mama shorts on and tank tops. All glistening and sweat and just just trucking made this the only thing I didn't do to jump into each other's arms. Hilarious. I'm like, What do you like the montage? Montage? This is dumb. What the fuck?

Jeff: 10:49

You want hiring they motivate you in They get you pumped. It makes you want to go to the gym immediately.

Anthony: 10:56

Right but but that's the whole thing and all the movies both guys have a montage, but one always loses. Like, like, was it the Russian one? They had him running like a like a 15 degree incline book and rakia hit cam logs on his back with a beard, an amount that

Jeff: 11:11

was part of the story. But that told part of the story like the Russian. He's in this plant. You know what I'm saying? They've injected steroids on him this high tech. He's using all these high tech machineries to do his workout. Meanwhile, they got Rocky in a fucking cabin in the middle of nowhere. And all he has is fucking logs. He got snow and so he's pushing sleds and he's climbing mountains. You know, I'm saying he's lifted up his entire family on the fucking shit. And that's his workouts. Like he's working with nature. While the Russian is working with technology. And they were basically working out the same muscles doing the same type of movements instant exact same type of workouts, but just differently. And that was part of the story.

Anthony: 11:52

I find it hilarious that you're doing you're talking about all the shit we're in a crunch fitness t shirt. Hey, go read write big or rapid that's I'm talking about. That's what got you a pump. Lift some shit, motherfucker. It was a good movie. Jonathan majors is dope. Does a great job of Michael B. Jordan for his first time directing? Is it is it kind of a good plotline. I enjoyed, you know Jonathan made the most like I get the point like, imagine someone else living the life that you're supposed to have. And all of a sudden you can recognize him for a chance to reclaim the life you're supposed to have and they like not to put roadblocks in all your ways and like the thing with with with a drug it was a bit. Movie a week.

Jeff: 12:35

Why did that drug sparring partner in this business? They had Drago Jr. He got his ass beat in the last Korean movie. Now he got hit. They got him as a sparring partner.

Anthony: 12:45

A man that had too much like money in the budget and the whole thing of how he goes out in the movie. I'm like, alright, that's this. This is like a party full of people. This happens to the biggest dude in it. This makes no

Jeff: 12:56

sense. It was hitting him with a fucking what was it a lead pipe?

Anthony: 13:01

Yeah, like well, I

Jeff: 13:05

pulled out the pipe and just started rocking them and that turns out that was his homeboy from jail.

Anthony: 13:10

And a handful of people and a party full of people and you got a good guy the the biggest dude like if that real life like Dragon pirate dropped in with one punch that we need them.

Jeff: 13:19

You know, part of me we forgot to do the disclaimer that there's gonna be spoilers in his mother father.

Anthony: 13:24

I don't give a fuck man. We do that shit all the time. Hey, man, like people can't wait to watch movies. We ain't doing that shit. We watch what's on this was on but is that a

Jeff: 13:33

form of selective outrage? Like dude comes out. He finds created boy. He's real calm at first. You know? Like, Ryan come out here for no handouts. All I want from you is to make sure I get this you know, I'm saying I get my box and Korean on on the row. Give me this title shot. So he does he gets some net. He wins that. And, you know, obviously he does a real dirty, he wins the fight dirty. He the way he got that fight was dirty by making sure that driver got taken out. But then creed is mad. You know what I'm saying? Like, dude, you neglected me this whole time. And it's also the mamas fault, too. Because the mama was hiding autumn letters. She was right my man is writing him letters while he's in jail. His mom was hiding it from because she didn't want him to be involved. I think that was fucked up in there. Like you don't turn your back on your boys like that. But

Anthony: 14:26

now it's not that sometimes because Because parents have been around have been around the block. They know who you shouldn't be fucking with. And like, I'm going to do everything in my power to keep away from this person because he in good news. Like sometimes you can look at somebody like man ain't shit. You'd be sticking with a banana. They're not good. They're not good for you. So therefore, I think he just did the right thing. So yeah.

Jeff: 14:51

I like the movie, but it was a lot of you know, inconsistencies. Yo, Felix Chavez. He's the guy that's playing, you know, he's the World Heavyweight Champion, his character and robots choppies he is not a fucking heavyweight. If anything, he looks like a fucking middleweight. Or maybe even below that. I'm trying to write weight. And like compared to Michael B. Jordan, and compared to the other dude, who looks super brolic this dude looks like a fucking flyweight next to these motherfucker. And then they got him as the heavyweight champion in this shit. I was like, come on. He's not in the same heavyweight. He is not in the same class as he's doing. He's not even a light heavyweight. He's like a fucking welterweight or a middleweight.

Anthony: 15:39

No, I've seen him before. I know he's a real boxer though.

Jeff: 15:44

Right? Oh, the Rocky movies always have real boxers but he not a fucking heavyweight. Like when they have Rocky in the winter in the very last one. Rocky movie that he was the he fought he fought the dude Antonio Tarver Antonio, Tarver. No fucking heavyweight in real life never has been. You know, he was like a middleweight. Yeah,

Anthony: 16:02

this kid is super, super welterweight so like 161 60 It's super

Jeff: 16:07

welterweight and they got him in the movie looking supposedly as a fucking heavyweight. No, he didn't even look the part of it would have injected him with some shit. By the way, what is Michael B Jordan and the other dude injected with how much steroids you think they was taking for that movie?

Anthony: 16:23

No, no, that's not steroids. Get the fuck out I don't know focus with brolic that that in all honesty that is

Jeff: 16:32

that's to stop injections at the very least not at the bare minimum.

Anthony: 16:36

It's not even I swear to God, it's not even. It is literally broccoli, brown rice and chicken six days a week for when you're working out for like for like 10 months, probably four months on and like I said, because even when we watch like the Marvel ships like those guys are in amazing shape because they got trainers that do the shit with them all the time. It's not like a regular first like man, I want to go to gym today. Like you're kind of contractually obligated to like take this creatine it's full of fuckup like they all are. Because I mean Mike was like that in the first movie. And like in Jonathan's pretty pretty big and it man quantum mania is big now he's gonna play a bodybuilder later this year so probably on the same thing but I don't think they juice and they don't have the juice look is like really really wide chest and like extended like stomach like it's layer but like it's not like it's like brick bricked up. There's like babies in great shape but I think big yeah and you act as a man You can't be like out here road regen like you know like pissed off taking steroids like swinging on my fuck is like in between takes not No no no don't do that shit a lot of other people do but not that I don't think so. But you really think the juicing

Jeff: 17:55

thing so it's very hard for me to believe that the more focus come out looking like this and it's not a little enhanced at least a little bit a couple of injections in there and maybe some pills

Anthony: 18:06

if they say anything about Chris Hemsworth

Jeff: 18:09

or he's more fucking store all of them cats bro Wolverine all them Kazakh come on the screen looking super brolic for no reason.

Anthony: 18:18

Like I'm going to like art because Jonathan may just 33 years old. I'm going to suspect that if Hugh Jackman comes back diesels fuck in guest Deadpool wherever he's coming back with hell yeah my question like he gotta be taken sup man like you wait too old repacking a month like that, just like it's not impossible, but it can't be autumn cats broke through it the only natural wonders what vendido

Jeff: 18:42

maybe, because you can see him a little bit of the fat in him, you know, I'm saying but some of these when the rock takes his shirt off, he has 0% body fat, it's all muscle. Like you know, that's enhanced. You could tell the difference from an enhanced body and you know, like a natural body.

Anthony: 19:00

Rock been big for a long time.

Jeff: 19:03

You know, he just gets I was watching the GI Joe movie that I forgot he was even in from like, 10 years ago, and he's big there, but not even as big nearly as big as he is now. And

Anthony: 19:13

in a GI Joe one. Like he's a dude. Like, I'm big because I've just been eaten anything and everything like my, like, my diet isn't tailored. I'm just eating like cheese steaks and hamburgers, and whatever the fuck I want to just lift my ass off. So look like a guy who weighs a lot, but it's actually pretty strong. I mean, it's lighting and everything else like that, I guess is what that the last thing that people find to be controversial. When finally the crowd goes away. It looks weird because it's so close to each other and like, it's all shiny and glossy and shit and like they look bigger than motherfuck but they're not really big, big, big. It kind of happens. But I'm not something we're gonna fret about. I still think that it's kind of integral to the movie. I think they did a good job at it. I just want to see what what goes on next in the Creed verse. I don't know where to go from here

Jeff: 20:04

that I thought that they were going to show a flash forward with his daughter being grown up in boxing. Because it looks like she's taking up on Iran like she likes it. So I feel like they might eventually go in that direction where then you know she might take over eventually when she gets older. And then the next series of Korea will be like a female boxer.

Anthony: 20:24

I'm telling you now, if they do the next series, and this is daughter, she fights Clubber Lang his daughter, I give up. I'm out. I'm off this shit. This is like y'all are lazy. Y'all. This is This is disgusting. Y'all have any imagination of creativity? Because there was a thing where Rocky was going to be a part of this and he wasn't going to fight Jonathan major's character. He's going to fight the sun. And of Apollo know the son of clever lane and Santa Clara Lane was supposed to be Deontay Wilder. Now, the artists professional boxer think is an interesting guy. We want to greatest knockout arts in the history of boxing. The thing that rock is that you always got to take a punch, like you got to take a real one from somebody. What a fuck would would you know? Michael B. Jordan take a punt from of all people Deontay Wilder. Like you weren't like get real asking cuz like he's put me to sleep. Like, I gotta take a real punch of this motherfucker. This is stupid. This is dumb. And I would have hated that plotline. Because the thing about all this shit like you have to escape the past. And I think the sun we're going to talk about we're talking about the selective outreach thing. The past is always gonna come back to haunt you to find a way to deal with it. If you're doing Rocky movies, and all sudden they're bringing up all old characters like Lex Clubber Lang, or like, out of the godson, a thunder lips, who the fuck knows? Or, like Tommy Guns, like long lost brother understanding the characters inside of this universe. But if you don't expand beyond the universe, you're gonna be stuck in that universe

Jeff: 21:58

is the nostalgia factor. That's what a lot of these movies like to do.

Anthony: 22:01

Yeah, but for how long now? That's what sells. But for how long? Because we're getting over a generation where we're going to age out of this shit, right? Like,

Jeff: 22:10

we all die to make up the old fucking stories. Now I did redo the same lady do now like because we talked about Bel Air Who the fuck you think is watching Bel Air? Our generation is right. You know, they bring back Boy Meets World they bring that back with the kids of the cast that we grew up with. So that's nostalgia, they bring back Saved by the Bell you know, I'm saying with the old cast and that's the style. They bring back full house, you know, I mean, and they all got kids now and it's all about the kids of the people that we grew up watching but who you think is watching this shit? I don't think the new generation gives a fuck about the shows.

Anthony: 22:41

Do you know that they're charging like 250,000 Oh fucking started Jack because that was that she

Jeff: 22:50

but yo before we move on to the next topic, you said about you mentioned Batman. So my man he plays Quang and that one or Kang with the Kwang Oh, two movies out right now and I feel like creed is going to outsell Ant Man. Oh, absolutely. You know, I'm saying cuz I'm hearing I'm hearing bad reviews about Hitman or whatever. But

Anthony: 23:15

for one is shorter. If a movie shorter, you get the chance to play it more. Right? And to like I said, if you see both he's pretty much in creed pretty early. And man takes like 45 minutes to come on screen.

Jeff: 23:32

And they both in both of those universes, bro. Like, Michael B. Jordan is also in the MCU. So we might have we might see them down the line face each other again, in a different universe.

Anthony: 23:43

They ain't gonna do that in all the reason why because like, like, we gotta gotta make some extra money off of fuck out there what they're brought back killmonger And what kind of ever well in the dream sequence right? But it might be not live another universe but Jonathan majors right now. He got the stimulus package. Everybody seems to like him. Everybody seemed to love him. I just want the man to keep doing whatever you're doing. It's good for him

Jeff: 24:10

all right. Alright, let's talk about this Chris Rock. Netflix special. Selective outrage. Again, just like the Creed movie, I've heard mixed feelings about it. mixed reviews. Some people like it. Some people hate it. I know people that took it off 15 minutes in because he thought it was crazy. I liked it. I loved it. I might be a little bit biased because Chris Rock happens to be my favorite comedian of all time. So I could be a little bit biased. But you know, the reason why they did this shit, you know, I mean, everybody was waiting for him to speak up on the incident with the Will Smith which happened a year ago. He had never spoken about it. So that's the main reason people tuned into this shit. That's the main reason you know, it was a packed house. That the ballroom should that he did it in. And strategically he ain't even mentioned will to like an hour into his shit, right? He did his whole bit and then save the whole world and Jada shit to the end. Like he spent maybe the last five minutes of the of the shit talking about it. And you brought up a good point. And I don't know if this was a coincidence or if it was petty on his part. The shit took place and Jada pink its hometown of Baltimore, Maryland. So I thought that was funny and I thought it was maybe maybe petty. You think that was pettiness? Or maybe it was just coincidence? I can't I don't I can't believe that it was a coincidence.

Anthony: 25:40

And according coincidence we're planning out this tour for God knows how long he knew exactly what date you're gonna do the live show on exactly what city is going to be on. could change the schedule if he wanted to. He knew exactly you don't know I didn't think about it, but I liked it a little petty. I do appreciate it. How parents would be to talk about this man wife and like, Yeah, I'm gonna do your home time and your people gonna laugh at you with me.

Jeff: 26:05

He should have did a two part special. He should have did the one part in Baltimore. He should have did another part of Philly.

Anthony: 26:11

I wasn't there. Oh, no, but he did. Okay. All right. So number one, he never talked about it in Philly. Because I think last year remember there's a tour where he was going to he was on tour with Kevin Hart and they had a Philly stop. And he led he did his his show but he didn't mention what happened. It had been perfect. I guess it just wasn't timed out right but it's we're

Jeff: 26:34

gonna get paid for this and I wonder how much Netflix paid is asked for the ship. And again, it was live so there was like no room for error and he messed up a little bit towards the end. At the end he messed up and I was like, I reminded me that it was live I was like I saw that you know that didn't take away from me I think that made the show even

Anthony: 26:49

better. He knew he like I missed that joke and went right back to and that's the joke up

Jeff: 26:54

and went and did it again. Yeah. But um I'm gonna say this he was throwing jabs here and there you know he was talking about like, oh, I don't need another rapper to be mad at me so throughout the thing you know the whole thing he would throw little jabs and tease and you're like waiting like oh, here it is coming here it is. Oh, and then he would go into another joke. Like Damn, he's gonna make us wait for a second for a split second the idea went through my mind that maybe somehow him and will had reconciled and made peace and made up and that will was gonna at the end pop out. That didn't cross your mind that oh no mind I was like let me find out Will Smith is going to end up at the end of the ship coming out in the O MAFAC. is gonna hug it out and shit and make peace Nope, that was not the case and the way in the world and once in a while once he started talking about Will and Jada. He went in court basically called them bitches for five minutes straight. And then he says some shit which I know was not gonna sit well with a lot of people and a lot of African Americans. He said with the joke that he said that he watches emancipation. That Will Smith movie. He watches the Emancipation just to see the scenes where Will Smith is getting his ass. I laughed. He said this is the only time he's ruined for the fucking Massa

Anthony: 28:20

enemy give massive give miss the spot.

Jeff: 28:25

She was hilarious. Everybody. Thought it was funny. I went on and I'm seeing people you know what I'm saying? I'm seeing you know, black activist, or civil rights leaders and whatever. And they talk a shit about that. Like it's common.

Anthony: 28:41

Look, man, these niggas don't have a sense of humor. And it's hard. It's hard being a comedian. And it's hard to make jokes like that. And that's why I'd be touching make people laugh man.

Jeff: 28:50

At the beginning of the shit. He's the first thing rock said when he came out. He was like, Yo, I'm gonna try not to offend anybody tonight. And that's that's those are disclaimer before he started his bid, which I think no comedian should have to fucking do. When they come out on that stage. No comedian should have to do a disclaimer and say I'm going to try not to offend anybody like no, that's been part of comedy forever. You'd have thick skin, you suppose? Didn't you suppose if you're in the front row, and you get made fun of you supposed to have a thick skin that's part of comedy. You should be able to go on stage and make fun of gays make fun of whites make fun of blacks. And then I'm saying to a degree obviously, you know, there's certain boundaries but especially for black comedian, you should be able to go up there and say whatever the fuck

Anthony: 29:35

equal opportunist. Yeah.

Jeff: 29:38

But that's the society we in now. And you know, his whole theme and the name of his show was selective outrage. And that was the ongoing theme of his show. And he talked about that shit, you know, I'm saying he talked about the trans. And you know, he said if my dad was trans, you know, I would accept it. But my brothers wouldn't you know what I'm saying? Like and that's the world we're in right now. Like my focus pick and choose what to be mad at just like Will Smith chose who to take his anger out on all the shit that was going on in his life with his wife and everything else he chose to take it out on rock Chris Rock, you know? Because if it would have been the rock up on that stage, there's no way Will Smith was going up on it and smacking him and saying

Anthony: 30:18

will new

Jeff: 30:19

shows who would it be mad at? And unfortunately for Chris

Anthony: 30:25

it was a Brian. But it's like I tell people all the time man if you have like the worst incidences in your entire life the most painful things that have ever happened to you and every time that these things occur, someone's there it's that someone like the the WoW shit that's that's happened to well over the over the past year or so. Just one person that's there. And they gotta take some kind of culpability for this. Now, it's a choice is absolutely trust, they're probably not going to do so. But, you know, the like, we talked about it here. That red table talk was just weird. That is a personal thing. Why are you showing the shit to the world? It's not in a healing a fucking thing. It makes everything worse.

Jeff: 31:10

And Chris mentioned it, he said yes. I have never been I've never seen nobody get cheated on. And then be interviewed by the person that cheated on you. Yeah, like, Why did not make you feel?

Anthony: 31:23

Right. And when you say that out loud, you see how ridiculous it is and how ridiculous it was. Because it doesn't make sense. If I'm pretty certain if there's an issue with you and your wife, somebody discussed between you and your wife, you're gonna go to a bar and get everybody around like, well, I got an issue on my phone. We're gonna hash out in front everybody. Like, I don't know you. I don't know these people. And they did that in front of everybody. And not allowed to see. Since that happened, right. Have you even watched any other episodes of the red table talk? No. So so it got what it was used for. Or everyone feels it was for it was for publicity, or for canceled readings because of Shireen Show on Facebook. But it got the attention that it needed and then it just died out. Like I haven't had any reason to watch that show.

Jeff: 32:12

And I know but it's not like but it's not like these individuals or people that are struggling and even then I probably wouldn't respect it but I would maybe understand a little bit more if they're like you know, struggling artists who are there their careers you know the prime of their career is way past them and they're still trying to hold on to some and she i Let's drop this as a publicity stunt to get back out there. But no, Will Smith is still one of the you know, highest paid actors in Hollywood. Jada Pinkett is Jada Pinkett but these people are you know, there's not like they're broke. They're still famous. They're still rich. They're still out here doing things. So it wasn't even necessary for them to dollars do this as a publicity stunt. No.

Anthony: 32:48

There's no reason for them to have done this yet. We still don't know but you got to. But you got to live in the name of Jada Pinkett Smith like you really just said Wilson here doing thing he followed up by saying David pings Jada Pinkett like folks that what does that mean to the the buying population now? Like Jada Pinkett Jada Pinkett. To us it matters. We're for the people who kind of are the movers and shakers in regards to the way society goes or important to like, you know, people's careers?

Jeff: 33:19

To a large population, right to a large population. She's probably just the Smith in the Jada Pinkett Smith. Correct? Sure is a large people a large population of people that only know her as Will Smith's wife. And maybe that does something to her ego. You know, I'm saying I don't know. But now she's known as the not only as Will Smith's wife, but as I'll guess I've seen a side bitch. You know, I mean, who cheated on Will Smith, who slept with her friends, her son's friend like now she's known for even worse shit. I rather be known as just Will Smith espoused and to be known as all this other extra

Anthony: 33:55

shit. And now obviously the gay

Jeff: 33:58

right, so now August is gay. So she's known as not only Will Smith his wife, but the person who slept with her son's gay friend. And she's also known as in some circles, as the person who's not over two packs a core who's still in love with two packs of core 20 years after his death.

Anthony: 34:15

20 Plus unit. None of these sound like positive traits. None of these are cheap when we're at home about none of this shit. Sounds interesting. Their promise you're always gonna have her. It's like, okay, what have you established now? To get the red table talk? And that's cool. But I mean, in a sense of Hollywood. Maybe a Matrix movie here and there. And that's about it. That should pop up in Star Wars. The Star Wars. No, no, no, no. No, she wasn't. She wasn't.

Jeff: 34:41

It wasn't that Batman. She wasn't that Batman TV series.

Anthony: 34:46

Please,

Jeff: 34:47

that wasn't even really about Batman. It was about Gotham, Gotham City. She's

Anthony: 34:53

like, a show called Metropolis like a fuck about Metropolis gear button. But

Jeff: 34:57

her her claim to fame was being best friends with Tupac in the 90s being in a low down dirty shame. Every weigh ins being a set it off, which is probably the best movie she's ever been in. And then BNN what was the Eddie Murphy show the clumps? Yes. Part One

Anthony: 35:16

and show me show. We got one of those. It kicked off with Janet Jackson's legs. Like home girl. You are replaceable. So you got to relax to get her out of here.

Jeff: 35:27

But your thoughts on the Chris Rock ship?

Anthony: 35:30

is brilliant at what he does.

Jeff: 35:33

He's a genius. Like I said he's my favorite comedian. I thought he could have went a little bit further with the Will and Jada shit. You know, he called him a bitch. He made a few jokes and stuff like that. And you know, he only spent like five minutes and he left it to the very end and he dropped the mic and walked off. Right? He could have disrespect I'm way more now. You don't I mean, but he you know, he addressed it an essay we move on.

Anthony: 35:57

I think that's the best thing because you don't need to like, do much to somebody who has a very clear ability to self destruct like you're gonna fuck up some of your own shit. I really need to go any further with this. Now, the thing that she's saying about Chris Rock, is he your goat or Vigo. I hate this. I hate this that term. But to me, he's the goat Yes. All Time.

Jeff: 36:24

Of all time, I'm gonna say yes, because he's inspired the chapels and Kevin Hart's. And like they always mentioned Chris Rock when you're saying as the guy that they look up to. I mean, go you've been doing it for as long as fucking time to bro. You go back to the Def Comedy jams in the early 90s. You've been doing a show for a long time. And I liked the fact that he you know, he when he talks. His shit is multifaceted. Like his his, you know, his sets, he talks politics, he talks racism he talks he you know, he makes fun of people. But it's I feel like it's smart is genius. But it's also funny. Again, that's my opinion is hilarious, though.

Anthony: 37:01

Yeah, I think Dave acolyte I don't think Chris is the goat don't I think he is up there. I think the what you saw last night kind of proved that. It's taking these topics that you know, your general person will just kind of have a conversation about boycotting, like finding humor about it. Because there's some truth to it, about the power of women, for example. Like said Beyonce worked at Burger King, pool JSY she worked at Burger King. Now I won't be able to pull her like there's some there's some unspoken truths about that, that, you know, make it effective. I think the one on I think I ended up calling my mother asked about it's like she didn't she wasn't really into the abortion one or like, I get what he's trying to say. Because I also believe in late stage abortion, I think kids should get like five or six and see if like, are they going to be shipped to maybe it's not gonna work out? It's like send it back to the farm somebody that I know to get you another model or like the upgrade you or whatever. But yeah, is it not not trimester semester? Like, let me see that first report card. Let's see where we stand with this. He

Jeff: 38:03

definitely said a lot of things that's gonna that's gonna, you know, that's gonna read you.

Anthony: 38:08

And he should because I think guys like rock him. Before the sexual claims can walk like guys like Louie CK, they enjoy the art of the art itself. Seinfeld is another one of those guys who enjoy being funny. By taking things that are topical, and finding in mind the humor out of it. He's always been brilliant at that, you know, bigger and blacker all the other HBO specials. As a matter of fact, the reason why he ranks so high, I don't think he's a ghost. Let's just kind of put it to the side. He is the last one who was at the pinnacle of comedy when stand up was important. Like standups it's happened all the time. We don't really watch it we like we don't have like a sketch program. Like it is now like setting that lab before that, like have a mad TV around around the same time. But I mean, there's no like def Jam's there's no comic views. Guys, you watch from beginning kind of work their way up, like that era of like stand up comedians is kind of gone. So you kind of do what you have here and just move forward and try to figure it out. But at that point, when you know, stand up will stand up, he was on top of the very center of the world of comedy. And he's even doing so now. Because Netflix had a whole thing that always putting like comedy specials on Netflix. Of course, the first one that goes live with him. I mean, they got business with Chappelle, too, but they gave us the opportunity to Chris Rock says a whole lot about him, and says a lot about his ability to make things funny. Like nobody knows how hard it is to actually be funny. But to write that shit to fight controversial things and still find humor in it. That's just kiss man. I thought that was really really great, great work from somebody who's I think he's going on 60 And he could still kind of put up that kind of material to this day. Fuck yes.

Jeff: 40:05

Yeah, and I see other guys that you know, get less and less funny or the bigger they get. Like Chris Tucker is one of those for me. He does a stand up now and I don't laugh not one time but when he first started out when you could talk about the struggle, and you could talk about living in apartments with roaches and rat like the shit is funny, you know, I mean, once they get to a certain status, like they stopped being funny. Kevin Hart is still funny, no matter how successful he gets. You know, Dave Chappelle. I don't even think Dave Chappelle when he goes up. There's not even comedy anymore. He's just talking to you. He's just talking to the people. He just happens to be a funny person. You gotta

Anthony: 40:36

be and that's the worst part. He's wanting to talk to these negative types right now. Yeah, he will tell you the truth about yourself like, right man. Alright, pay for this shit, but it's funny to some extent.

Jeff: 40:48

But I feel like Chris Rock as successful as easy You know, making money making movies and all of this. And he talks about being rich. It's been he's just like, Yeah, I'm rich. He talks about his daughter's going to school in Paris and all of this and, but it's still funny to me. Like, it's hilarious. He doesn't feel like he hasn't lost it.

Anthony: 41:05

Now, we have that kind of level of comedian. You'd never lose your fastball. It just gets a little bit slow, but it's still there. And that's hard as fuck. Like, that's what David had to do for the next 20 years. And I don't know if he's going to be able to do it. Like, I think he wanted to be over the shit like I'm tired of fight when people buy something, all I'm trying to do is be funny. I think other people trying to explain to Chappelle that you are being funny when things that you say are hurtful. But I think his kind of argument is like, you're looking at comedy for laugh laugh chuckle chuckle comedy is an art artists objective, you have to take it how you want it. If you don't like the job, just move on to the next one. Not trying to damage or demean any community, this is just how it is. So you got that kind of attitude towards it, you're gonna get burnt out by just like you're just not going to enjoy dealing with this, like his last three specials. He literally had to keep addressing the same issue over and over again, like, I'm funny this I really have to do this shit all the time. But Chris is different. Chris has been touring, he's been working, he's been shooting movies, we've been doing shit like that. But like when he's on stage, you still see that guy who can just like control an audience with just a few words here and there. And like I said, it's topical. It's about race, politics, life, love everything. But that's what makes Chris Rock Chris Rock. That's why. That's why I shoot. That's why I mean, he was so excited to stay up to watch this shit is latest fuck. We're like, Man, I got to see this. And the only person that could probably bring that out of you or me as of right now is Chappelle. And the fact that you know that Chappelle is pretty much his young boy, and kind of told him the ways to go about this, to see the master go back out the stage and do his job, the way you expect him to do so. Worth it.

Jeff: 42:48

And my final question, since we're in the topic of selective outrage, is should selective outrage. I'm trying to see how I can word this properly. Does selective outrage? Is it valid? If it's considered selective outrage? Is it valid? In other words, do you have the right to be angry about some shit? You know what I'm saying? If you're only selecting who or when to be angry about that, about that subject?

Anthony: 43:22

Yeah. But here's the tricky part about it. It has to be that way. Because if you don't, then I mean, either don't give a shit about nothing. Or you're angry at everything. Some things deserve your attention. A lot of things don't. So I think the thing about sources like selective outrage, is like you're gonna choose to be mad about this, but not that, like people people get mad about animal cruelty. But don't get mad about, you know, the homeless situation or, you know, human choosing to like, yeah, shit like that. It's like you have a right to be upset about the things that are affecting your world. But we show to general masters show that this is the thing affecting your world. It's like this. What also the shit going on? This is what's pissing you off. This is what you really want to lash out about. So it's needed. Yeah, because you got to eat. It is the like, the gray area that we have to live in some shit. We're going to be mad at and we're going to let go some shit we're gonna be mad at and so stick with us and some shit we're gonna be mad at. We're gonna fall to the enth degree but there's levels to it is layers to it to kind of get that figured out. But it's just more in effect that what are the things that we are mad about that really deserves attention that they get, and a good amount of time? They don't. And that's the tricky part about selective outreach. You have to find the right cause being mad about that's like, me get mad like, I hate Nikes. And I'm pissed off at Nike because my foots wide and they tend to make sneakers that are narrow. I hate that shit. I hate Nike. It's a bit aggressive. Like you got other fucking shoes to choose from. But I want Nike Yeah, but they're not going to change everything about their model, or their style or wherever they go. It's just for you. That seems stupid. So it's important to have that kind of selective outrage about certain things. But the outrage isn't the important part. It's a selective part. Be Bright about what you choose. Because if you choose to stay in the legend, when Ain't nobody else out there and when that shit snaps you're gonna go on by yourself and ain't nobody gonna care. So you should trust me. Selective outrage is a good thing. Just depends upon the usage.

Jeff: 45:29

American African American writer James Baldwin said not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced the culture Jeff and Ed

Anthony: 45:41

now my bucket of balls and you caught a Baldwin quote to meet me bowling books like that. Shit.

Jeff: 45:49

We are here bro. See ya next week. We ain't came to lose, peace

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