Kim D. | Induction turned c-section, PUPPP rash, and medical complications with baby.

On this episode of Moony Birth Stories, we are joined by Kim from Saskatoon as she shares her story with her son Rone. Kim had an uneventful pregnancy until near the end when she went 10 days overdue and developed a puppp rash. She went in for an induction that involved the balloon, pitocin, and a failed epidural. Kim opted for a c-section and shares in more detail about her experience. After birth, her son Rone experienced medical complications as well as some challenges with breastfeeding & pumping. 

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 On tonight's episode, we are joined by Kim from Saskatoon as she shares the pregnancy and birth story of her son Rone. Kim went in for an induction at 10 days overdue, and after 22 hours of no progress, she went in for a c-section. Kim shares more about the medical complications that her baby experienced after birth, as well as their feeding journey.

Hello. Hi Kim. How are you? Hi. I'm good. How are you? I'm doing good. I'm excited to have you on. Can you start by telling everyone a little bit about you and your family? Sure. My name's Kim. I am married to my husband Aaron, and we have one son named Ron. He is almost 15 months now. Yeah, we live in Saskatoon and he's our first baby.

And yeah, just been just over a year now as new parents. Okay, and tell us the road to getting pregnant with Ron. So we got married in October of 2023 and started trying after that. And by December I learned that I was pregnant. I was like five months pregnant at Christmas. So basically was when we started trying, it happened very quickly.

So that was exciting. A little bit nerve wracking, was not expecting it to happen that fast. And then, I found out that I was due a week before my birthday in August. So everything just was like a whirlwind of wrapping my head around. Okay. Like we got nine months now to figure out what we're doing with our lives as new parents.

Yeah. Yeah, for sure. And then, so yeah, what were your initial feelings about the pregnancy and then about birth too? Initially just totally shocked. Was not expecting to see like a positive result on the pregnancy test. I just honestly bought the test at a whim being like, ah, I feel like I'm having some maybe weird symptoms.

I'll just test and be sure my husband wasn't even home. He was working outta town, so I found out it. Like a Saturday night, I was by myself and I didn't even know what to do and I didn't know if I should call him or tell him to come home. So I just waited. He came home a couple days later and I told him, and it was exciting but hard to keep it a secret for those few days and then, yeah, I feel once that kind of initial shock wore off a bit. Trying to get ready for birth was a little bit not what I thought it would be. I thought it would just be like a ball of anxiety and nerves. But I felt really calm throughout my pregnancy. I felt like really I felt good, healthy, and like relatively like comfortable and whatnot.

So I. For some reason was just like, oh, this is all great. I didn't do much research and read many books. I just thought oh we'll figure it out. We got good doctors, we got good support. So for, yeah, I was very surprised about how at ease I was about this huge life changing thing.

Yeah. That's awesome. I think that's the best way that you wanna be and just surrender to the process and let it unfold the way that it's going to. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like surrender. Surrender has been like the word of the here. It's just no longer have control of your body and what's going on in there.

You have no control over. You do have control over birth, but really your body's gonna do what it's gonna do and no control over this new little human. So just have to throw your hands up and just say it is what it is. Yeah. Yeah. Take that all throat motherhood too. Yes. And then who was your care provider throughout your pregnancy?

So I was at like a maternity clinic called Cornerstone, and so that I had a doctor there that followed me throughout my pregnancy. And then we ended up getting a different doctor there to be our family doctor as well. So we've been really like, involved with that clinic. They've been really great and they're the.

Doctors that like were rotating on call when we went to the hospital and when I had R. So ended up getting to know those doctors super well. Through all of that. Yeah. It's nice that you were able to continue on with a family doctor. 'cause I know a lot of people are struggling right now to find.

Yeah, I thought we were super lucky we didn't have one. And then the day that Rome was born, one of the doctors that was on call there, I think she's one of the medical directors at Cornerstone and said that they got a new family doctor and wanted to get us in. So all three of us got in with a family doctor there, which was super, super lucky.

Oh, great. Yeah, and they're amazing there. Yeah, they are. Yeah. Yeah. And then who were you planning to have at your birth? Just like doctors and your husband? Yeah, that was my plan. Just to have, yeah, just my husband there. And then any medical staff that was at the hospital. I, yeah I felt like it would be, for me personally, just a bit overwhelming to have too many people in the room and have too many like opinions or thoughts being like thrown out when I'm.

Like in that state of maybe being like overwhelmed or indecisive. I just thought less people would be better for me. Yeah. Awesome. And then is there anything else notable from your pregnancy you wanna share? I. Yeah, I'm trying to think back. It feels like a million years ago, although when I was pregnant, it felt like I was never gonna not be pregnant.

I guess one thing for me, like I said, I felt really good throughout. I was very overdue. I was 11 days overdue when I had Ron. And think as soon as I was a week overdue. So like on my birth. Day, the week overdue. I was like, maybe he'll be born my birthday. He wasn't. But the last few days of my pregnancy I developed, it's called a pups rash.

Okay. I dunno if that's I don't think it's a very common thing, but it's basically your body having like essentially an allergic reaction to the pregnancy. Yeah. Yeah. And the doctor at the hospital said it was the worst case they'd ever seen. Oh, wow. When I got there. And that was a bit of a, that was tough at the end because I was like, oh, I just wanna have this baby, and I'm super huge, but I'm also like, have this horrific rash for which there is no cure other than to have the baby.

So that was the only thing that kind of stood out in my pregnancy. Other than that, it was, it went really well. I was. Yeah, I didn't really have a ton of like sickness and I wasn't too uncomfortable, but that last week really, yeah. Killed me there. Yeah. Going overdue is so tough. 'cause every day you get your hopes up and you're like, oh, is today the day?

And then yeah. At the end there to get that news of the rashes. I'm sure that was hard. Yeah. And I thought for sure he was measuring like big my whole pregnancy. So I was like, oh, he'll come earlier on time. And then when he was late I was like, oh, maybe he'll be born on my birthday.

That would be cool because my mom and I have the same birthday, so I thought oh, we have three generations of the same birthday. Yeah. Then my birthday came and went and still nothing. And no sign of anything happening. It was like, oh my gosh, I'm gonna be pregnant for the rest of my life.

So it felt like at that time, yeah. Okay. Then take us through the next few days of when this labor did start. So labor never started. I got induced 10 days after my due date. So that was August 29th. 2024. Got the call to go in to get induced and. I really had zero like feeling that I was gonna go into labor any sooner than that.

So much so that I didn't even have a bag packed or anything until that morning when they said, okay, it's time to be induced. I had zero symptoms or anything that it was like my body is getting ready to have baby. Yeah. So I wasn't super hopeful that the induction was going to be fast or easy.

But went in that morning and checked for, see how dilated I was. Not very dilated. Like three centimeters I think. Something like that. And so the doctor was going to put a, I can't remember exactly what it's called, but it's a balloon. Yeah that's what they call it. The balloon. Yeah.

Yeah. And that was, I had heard about like different ways of inducing, so I was a little bit familiar, but overall, that was a pretty surprisingly uncomfortable thing. It was. So they like put it in, try to inflate it to dilate your cervix obviously. And so that it kept falling out and I had to keep trying to do it and do it.

And so I just remember like holding my husband's hand, holding a nurse's hand and just being like, this needs to not be happening right now. Because it was just, it felt, yeah, so much pressure and all that going on. Down there to eventually it got to the point that they essentially gave up. Said, you know what?

Three, three centimeters is good enough. We're gonna just start the Pitocin oxytocin drip to get that going. So that was, yeah, one of the most painful parts for sure. And there was like a lot of bleeding and just like discomfort from that. I felt like oof just a little bit rough after that. Yeah, then they started on the drip and the IV to try to get labor going, and that went on for a long time.

Nothing really happened, and they went for so long, I can't remember the exact order of how things went, but essentially they went for so long on the drip that they had to flush me out and then start it over again because I had Mac grout. And So were you feeling any contractions at this point?

I wasn't feeling any contractions. I was feeling a little bit of like cramps, but they weren't like rhythmic or any they weren't measuring as contractions. Yeah. So they, yeah, there wasn't much going on trying different, like positions to, to lay in to try to get ready for labor. That's all we did in the meantime, waiting for something to start happening.

And then one of the doctors came in and said that they wanted to put some kind of device in my cervix that would measure like the intensity of my contractions. Okay. And I just remember that being like the first time I had to advocate for myself and be like no, please stay away from there right now.

Because the balloon had really traumatized me. Yeah. And at that point I also was like, this might be something to do a little bit later when I feel a little bit better. And so I decided to get an epidural at that point. Which was, yeah, something I was really scared to do. Definitely don't love needles, and just like the thought of all of that was not fun, but I thought, it's probably gonna get worse.

The pain's gonna get worse. The cramps are gonna get worse to do this. Everything that they're trying to do. To start labor. Maybe I should just get this done now and then I can be comfortable. Yeah. What I did, I feel like I like mustered up all of my like, courage to get the epidural. I got it relatively quick, probably within half an hour of asking for it.

So that was good. And how was it? It wasn't too bad. I feel like it was a lot worse in my head of what it was gonna be, but I, in the end it was just like. Pressure for a couple of seconds and then. It was done and then things started to feel like more relaxed. So the thought of it is really scary.

But I don't know, in those moments, like you're just in survival mode. Yeah. And you just muster up all of the like courage and you just get through it and then it's okay, onto the next thing. And in hindsight it's like, how did I do any of that? That all sounds terrifying, but you do it and then people do it again and again.

Yeah. When you're in the moment. Yeah. It's. It's all about just going through it, and sometimes the anticipation is worse than it happening. Totally. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like I'd heard like horror stories or I watched like this, like animated like video of it and I was like, oh my God. Like why did I do that?

But I remember just telling myself like, this guy knows what he is doing. He is probably done it this a million times. This is just like another day for him. It's gonna be fine. And yeah, so that was. That was good. And then I finally able to get some sleep and just wait for something to happen. So slept a bit through the night. In the morning, epidural had worn off. They did their, ice cube trick. Yeah. Where they like rub it up your body and see if you can feel anything. And I could feel it all. And so at some point it had stopped working, but it didn't matter because, I hadn't really been feeling any cramps, any contractions, any pain. So it got to the point where I was at about 22 hours of being induced when a doctor finally told me that like she just said you can call this off anytime you want. And I was like, oh. I had no idea. I thought we just had to keep going on this until something happened.

I didn't know that opting to stop opting for a C-section or just like hearing any other option was an option. So that was just a game changer for sure. I don't know how long it would've went on the induction process. I don't know how long they let you go before you have a failed induction.

But yeah, so that was good news to hear because then I could talk with like doctors and family and my husband be like, okay, do we keep going or do we just call it and have a c-section? And after talking to some family that it had c-sections, including my mom and my aunt, they said it's better to maybe just have it in a controlled setting, like in case like things aren't progressing.

So it might get to the point of having like a. Kind of an emergency C-section. So it would, might be nice to just do it under a calm like circumstance. So I thought, yep, let's do it. And then I was under the impression that we could just keep the epidural in and use that to be like the anesthetic for the C-section.

But because it had stopped working and they weren't able to like get it working again, the anesthesiologist for the C-section told me that. She'd have to put a spinal in. Yeah. And I just remember that was like my breaking point of all this. I felt like I had gone through everything as bravely as I could and just taken it and been like, okay, now we're doing this.

Now we're doing that. It's fine. But like I said, I feel like I mustered up all my courage for the epidural and then I was like, okay, we're done with my messing with my spine. But then so hearing that was really defeating. I had heard a lot of stories of getting like headaches from spinal stuff, spinal fluid getting messed with and just like all the scary stuff.

So I was a little bit freaked out about it, but got a lot of reassurance from like the nurses and the doctors and yeah, had good staff, definitely that was, helped me through it. So that was really great. And the tough part about the spinal is you get that done in the OR so then your husband couldn't be there for that.

Correct. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So that felt like a very, it felt like eternity getting the final put in on my own, going from being this like dark room that was calm to being this super bright or with 10 people that are around you. Yeah. But no one that's like your family or your husband or anyone like that.

So yeah, that was definitely scary. And then it actually took her the anesthesiologist quite a while to get. It improperly. So she's just I'm like holding onto a nurse, hunched over as much as I can be with my. Belly's so huge. And she's like poking away at my back. Nothing's like working.

She has to bring in another anesthesiologist because it's just not really happening, which just is the story of my life at this point. Yeah. But nothing's really working. Eventually it does. And everything goes numb and then. Yeah. Able to start with the C-section, so I felt like it was, yeah, a lot of survival mode and then all of a sudden just kinda go time, once everything went numb and then my husband could come in and yeah then we had the C-section.

And so for the C-section, this would've been, now you're meeting a different doctor that has to do the C-section. Was your doctor still there? Yeah. The doctor that had told me like, we can stop this whenever you want and help me through that, she was there, but then there was, yeah, an ob, GY ob, GYN and a resident doing the surgery.

Yeah. Yeah, and then the NICU team and the anesthesiologist and nurse. So like a good team of people in there and yeah. Awesome. And then, yeah, walk us through the C-section. Yeah. So then as soon as Num laid down, they did their little roll call thing and then just lying there, waiting for everything to start, Aaron got to come in, which was like, thank goodness.

'cause it felt like such a long time with that whole spinal situation. Had to practice a lot of mindfulness through that and just breathe through it. I feel like that was the, also the theme of this whole experience was just breathing through it. And that was the case for the C-section too. I remember them telling me to just just touch your belly like one last time because this is happening right now.

And it's all of a sudden, like it's go time after hours and hours of waiting for something to happen. Yeah. And then they, so they started doing a C-section and I could feel them like really tugging. Pretty hard and I'm getting thrashed around a bit. So clearly he was stuck.

Yeah. And so they get him out and show him to me through the screen and it's oh my God. This is actually this is happening. This is happened. Finally, after all this is just like a big, like sigh of relief. And then they. Went, like the NICU team took him to the side and just checked him out and then came over before I'd even gotten, behold him or anything to say that he has like a protrusion on his head from being stuck okay.

In my P oil and that they were going to have to take him up to the nicu. But then. A few minutes after that, they said that they were actually going to take him for a, like an ultrasound on his head to see what was going on there first, to see if there's any bleeding that is to be concerned about.

And if it was all good, then he wouldn't have to go to the nicu. Okay. So yeah, then they yeah, wrapped him up and. He gave him to, to us for a few minutes and he like opened his eyes for the first time when we were holding him. And it was really like a special, very surreal moment. It was like, this is beautiful and crazy.

Like what do we do with him? How do we even hold him properly? It was like all like a blur a little bit. Yeah. One of the nurses took pictures and stuff, which was really great, so you can look back and see how our reaction was and like see his first like few breaths, which is yeah.

Super cool. Yeah. But I'm sure it was overwhelming to hear that he's gonna be taken away right away. It was, yeah. Like I remember just him being like, I could feel like that. Woo, she's outta there now. And then it like hear his cry and it's oh my God. Like there he is, but then we can't hold him right away and we can't obviously see what's going on back there.

And obviously anything with the head is a little bit concerning. You never know if that means like brain or what's going on with that. So yeah, that was definitely concerning. And then a relief when they did they did take him for the ultrasound on his head, so Aaron went with him and so I just was still getting the surgery done, so I was hanging back for that.

But they went and did the ultrasound and he was, his head was fine. At that time and he yeah, so the, one of the doctors did say that was like one of the, like the biggest protrusions that they've seen. So they were concerned that it would take a long time to reabsorb, but ended that all ended up being okay.

But yeah, a little bit scary right out the gate. And I know everyone kind of advocates and dreams for that, like skin to skin. Whatnot right away. And yeah, a lot of the things that you expect to happen, it was like, not exactly how I had pictured it, but yeah, for sure. And then how, when did you, when were you finally reunited with him?

So after finishing the C-section, which took a while to stitch me back up afterwards, the OB GYN said, this is a quote from her that my uterus was so inflamed from the like really long induction that they had to wrap it like a roast. Oh my God. I was like, oh my God. Okay. Interesting at, yeah.

Yeah. It was a bit of a process for me in the OR there for a bit. But yeah, sent me to the recovery room and then he was in there getting checked out as well. So in there we. Hung out and they checked us both out and attempted to start like some breastfeeding and stuff in there. And yeah, we were in there for a little bit and then got moved back up to our room after we were, after everything was okay.

The only thing that happened besides his head stuff was that. They found he had low blood sugar. Oh, okay. So he needed formula right away and he needed like quite a bit of formula right out the gate. So that made breastfeeding hard because obviously formula is very quick. Yeah.

And just kinda on demand. And he was hungry right out the gate. He's still hungry today. Very big eater. Yeah, breastfeeding a little bit of. Tricky task because he was just a little bit impatient with it since he had pretty much had no choice but to have formula right out the gate. Yeah. So what did he weigh?

He was nine pounds, three ounces. Okay. So yeah, he was a good size. Yeah, it was big. And then actually when we left the hospital, the nurse, you know how like obviously they weighed them again and they are expected to lose some weight. Yeah. But the nurse said that she'd never seen a baby lose such a little amount of weight.

Okay. Just to give you an hesitation of how much he ate, he only lost two ounces Yeah. Before going home. So yeah, he was a hungry little guy. And then, yeah. How was your time in the hospital? It was good. Yeah, I felt like the recovery, obviously c-section recovery is a little bit rough. I couldn't believe how like immobile I was and just how everything hurt for the first day.

But honestly, after that I, I was, I did pretty well with walking around and getting, picking him up and all of that stuff. And yeah, the, as much as we could breastfeeding with like lactation consultant that went. As well as it could, considering he was on so much formula and whatnot at the time.

Yeah. Yeah, so just a two day stay, like basically like the. Bare minimum. The only kind of issue that we had again, was they kept an eye on his head and seeing if that was gonna go back to normal, which it did go back a decent amount by the time we left. And then his blood sugar was a bit of a struggle to get to a normal level.

Yeah. But yeah, besides that. The recovery and everything afterwards was good. We were also really lucky that the hospital was very not busy at the time and we had, so there was a lot of nurses working and around that would just say if you want us to watch the baby for a bit so you can sleep and whatever.

So like it was a really good experience being there for sure. Yeah. It sounds like you were very well supported there. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. And then going home, did you have any family helping or anything? What? What did you have set up postpartum that you find helped? Yeah, my parents, they live here and I'm an only child, so it was very exciting for them to get their first grandchild and they definitely helped out a lot.

I remember just coming home to my house being like spotless, which was so nice. And they had made like freezer meals and were very much just like on call for whatever we needed for the first few weeks, maybe even first few months. And my husband was off work for. Five weeks, I believe, after Ronan was born.

And he was just like a total rock star with everything and was like so good with helping out with bottles, diapers, anything around the house especially while I was recovering from a C-section. Definitely had a lot of good support, which was great. Yeah, that's great. And then, so how did your breastfeeding journey end up going?

So it didn't quite go as I'd hoped, but it was definitely. It was a journey because we just did everything. And I was very uneducated about breastfeeding and like what it would entail and how hard it is. It's like crazy. You would think it's just oh, your body just does it naturally and he'll just do the things naturally.

But not the case is, most people know after they've been through it, but, yeah, he, I mean there was no, never any issues with like him, like latching per se, but he would get really impatient when he had formula so much. Yeah. So I felt that we were supplementing a lot with formula. I had no idea.

What pumping should look like. So I was definitely I had one of those portable pumps that you just kinda put in your bra. And would pump both sides and, but I would do it for half an hour on each side, several times a day. And it was like not effective. And I felt like I was spending all of my time pumping, cleaning pumps, making formula, cleaning bottles and breastfeeding and like we were doing everything, which was Yeah.

Just super duper chaotic in hindsight. I thought it would make our lives easier by being like, oh, Erin can do some like formula and then I'll pump and but I'll still be able to somehow keep up my supply. And it was just not, yeah. So eventually, I think I breastfed for about three months doing like a.

Combination feeding type of thing. Yeah. But then my supply was just getting smaller and smaller, which was always just so disheartening when you pump and nothing comes out. And I just never knew if he was even getting anything or if he was just like for comfort. I found it really hard to keep my supply up.

I feel like eating and drinking water is just like really hard to do. Yeah. When you're busy with a newborn. So I, yeah, I didn't prioritize that really properly. So it was a little bit hard when I finally decided this is not. Working for me anymore, like my mental health is really suffering by, like I said, all I felt like I was doing was feeding in some way, and it was like a whole day was consumed with that.

So I felt like it took like about a month after I stopped breastfeeding to feel okay with that decision. I don't know if that was like, just like some long guilt or a har a hormone drop or what it was, but it was really hard. But I just, now in hindsight, it's. Said his best and it is what it is that he's healthy and it was fine in the end, but it felt very intense and stuff at the time.

Yeah, I bet it's a journey. And that sounds like you were doing a lot for sure. Yeah. Yeah. And then how was the rest of the year been? That's been a rollercoaster for sure. Yeah, he has. He is a great sleeper, great eater. Just the happiest smiles baby. So we're very lucky.

Yeah. And yeah, he has had some medical struggles though, which has been a little bit tough. I'm not sure exactly when this happened. I have some suspicions that it may have been during birth or when I was pregnant with him, but at some point in time he had a stroke. Oh, okay. And so he was diagnosed with that after having an MRI when he was about three months old.

So yeah, he, we noticed that he was just not using his left side nearly as much as his right side, which. Raise some concerns with. Medical team and then got an MRI and they confirmed that's what had happened. And so since then, has been dealing with like physio and occupational therapy and speech therapy and dealing with some a little bit of a ep, some episodes of infantile spasms, which are like seizures essentially, and babies.

So had to go through some medication and stuff like that. So it was definitely stressful. Year and a lot of like questions about what's his future gonna look like? How's his development gonna progress? Is he gonna be just super far behind? Are we not gonna be able to get these like spasms, seizures under control?

But he's been. Super strong and resilient. Resilient, like way more than me, like he is, been like the strong one through everything. Yeah. And definitely progressing. I think I'm trying to not compare or even look at what's the milestones should be for his age because he's just on his own little path, but.

He is definitely progressing as much as he can and doing really great. So we're just taking the small wins and it's just again, with that surrendering Yeah, just like you can't change what has happened and we don't know what happened or why, but it is what it is. He is who he is and he can still have a happy full life.

And he's shown us that this year. So that's been. Really cool to see. Yeah. Again, it sounds like you're very well supported through all of this. Yes, definitely. Good. What a strong little guy. And strong mom, too. Thank you. Yeah he's the best. So we're lucky. Good. Good. Okay. We're gonna end with a couple questions.

So what is a piece of advice you would give to someone heading towards their birth? I would say to trust your gut. Because there's a lot of information you can Google, hear from family, hear from medical professionals, but you know your body better than maybe you even think you do.

So I would say trust your gut on, when you're pregnant, when you're in labor, any of that. And don't be afraid to ask questions when you're going through this whole process because. Looking back, like I didn't know I could have, said, I don't wanna be induced for this long. I could have a C-section or whatever.

I didn't know I had options. So don't be afraid to ask why are we doing this? Or could we do this instead? Or whatever the case may be. Yeah, that's what I would say it was. Just be open to those things and trust your instincts when you're giving birth and when you're pregnant, you know yourself best.

Yeah, I love that. And then what surprised you the most about postpartum? So much of it, I feel like I was not prepared for how it can turn your world upside down. Especially just like emotionally, like you can go through so many emotions. It's just a roller coaster of being so happy, like unbelievably happy about this new like little bundle and like what they brought to your life and just being so sad and like the time is fleeting or you're anxious about their growth and all these things.

So I wasn't prepared for how emotional it was going to be. The hormone fluctuations are real and it's like you, no one can really even prepare you for that. You just go through it and then you, and and I also was surprised that like I'm not a big ask for help person and it was, I was basically forced into being like, okay, I literally need to ask for help.

I can't do this. On my own and it's, and it ends up being best for literally everyone involved. It was better for me, it was better for Ron. And it's better for the people that are in your support system because people want to help. They just sometimes don't know how. Yeah. So I feel like asking them and giving them specific like tasks and like who doesn't wanna help with a little baby?

So I feel like asking for help and just recognizing that's okay. Doesn't make you a bad mom or weak or any of that is. It surprised me how much that small step helped. Yeah. Asking and actually accepting that help is huge. Yeah, definitely. Okay, Kim, thank you so much for coming on. I loved hearing your story.

Thank you so much for having me. It's so great to, to chat through all of that.