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SPEAKER_06We're live in three, two, one.
SPEAKER_05Well, here we are. Back in the saddle. The end of April. Welcome to West Point, Mississippi, everybody. Red eyes, everybody's tired. Yeah, why things are winding down a little bit.
SPEAKER_08And we've got a but Rob. Yeah, it was good to see. It was good to see Rob. It's been a while. Been out for a little bit on the road. He has been slaving it.
SPEAKER_05You know, Rob was supposed to meet me one morning to film a turkey hunt, and I got a text saying I overslept. Overslept. Really?
SPEAKER_07Yeah, I've I've got a sleeping issue, or every now and then I just won't wake up till a lot later than I'm supposed to.
SPEAKER_08He was in there explaining to me what happened. I was like oh man, it happens. And he's like, you know, have you ever just accidentally slept till 1 p.m.? And I said, No. Yeah, no.
SPEAKER_07Listen, I I in my in my job interview, I said, listen, this is gonna happen. You can ask Spence. Yeah, he said it to me. I slept through a hunt that I was supposed to do with Maddie, and anyway. It happens too much.
SPEAKER_02I bet you didn't sleep through Tom Kelly, though, did you?
SPEAKER_07No, but I also slept on a couch so I'd wake up when everybody else did.
SPEAKER_05Let's officially start this. Guys, we're we're all excited. Um glad to have Dudley raced home.
SPEAKER_02I thought you were at the show, man. Well, I got up like an adult at about six o'clock this morning. Drove home. Ate a continental breakfast and hit the road. He's a warrior. Went to Tennessee, but he didn't go turkey hunt. No, I went to the Ryman. That was good. I mean, that's good. That's good. What did you go see? A jazz fusion band called Snarky Puppy. Ooh. Or the snarky.
SPEAKER_05I don't care. Let's must move on. I'm not even remotely interested in that. Okay. Okay. I can I understand that.
SPEAKER_08Some of the listeners might be.
SPEAKER_05I doubt any of our listeners. I'm saving us, Laney. I'm saving us. I don't think any of our listeners would would be. If they are, they can communicate directly with Dudley.
SPEAKER_08Sorry, I distracted us from the the you know the conversation.
SPEAKER_05So let's talk about blood on the biologic. It's brought to you by LS Tractors. Hey, we love LS Tractors. So uh that there's been a bunch of blood on the biologic, but we started off. Tom, uh can you believe it?
SPEAKER_08How old is Tom Kelly? We had him in camp last year. Um, you know, this is he's obviously a an icon in the turkey world, but I'm not uh tell us what happened.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, well, I don't want to tell all this story yet because I think Daniel needs to be here. We need to get Keith Ott also on the podcast for that as well. But uh the long story short is we were able to, with um the help of uh Tom's daughter Laura, um, to get Tom to camp in Virginia and uh got him in there and had it set up and scouted, and lo and behold, the next morning turkeys came from a direction we weren't expected. They walked exact turkeys, did turkey things, but it was beautiful morning, very sunwashed, had two goblin turkeys walk 15 steps from me on their way down to Colonel Tom. And they stood in there and he picked it up, just stone cold, drew from his lap, no shooting sticks, Mr. Fox style. He was very offended when we even suggested that maybe he might want a a shooting stick or something. He said, No, no, I'm gonna draw. All right, and he and he drew and just the barrel just it it never wavered. He picked it up, shot it, and it was it was electric, there were manned tears shed, and it was very exciting, and it was just but it was very special to I don't know, to be there for a moment when a tw in a 24-hour period when every breath felt significant. It really did. Yeah, and it was very special. And I was telling my wife about it um the other night that I just don't even think I even grasped the significance of it yet. I think you do either. With each moment, with each with each no, I I know. I mean, with each moment I kind of get a little bit more um appreciation for it. It was very special and just an honor to be there and to see it happen with my own eyes. So 96 years. And and you hit the record button? Steven Spurlock was there to film it with the with the chasing 49 guys, but I took pictures of the whole thing and it was incredibly special and just I I do it all over again on purpose. I mean, it was great. It was unbelievable to watch and very special to be there. So that's cool. I can't imagine.
SPEAKER_02Who wouldn't want to be there?
SPEAKER_05I mean, that's just Colonel Tom Kelly, author of the 10th Legion and a host of other books.
SPEAKER_02On the board, baby. On the board in 96. And I don't know if you got I mean, I I'm sure some of you have read the books, but there's a few YouTube videos uh and they will bring tears to your eyes. And if if you've never had chill bumps before, go watch a couple of those videos. Well, the books do the same.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, it it it was it was it was incredible, something I'll never ever forget. And like I said, just an honor to be there, but to to stand there, to listen to his stories at the night before at dinner, to just to to see the same fire in his eyes, you know, that he's had since he was younger, maybe more, just incredibly special. So congrats to Tom Kelly, Keith Ott, and Kyle for putting that together with with Daniel, and it was just awesome. Big deal. Thanks for and thank you, Laura, for your trust.
SPEAKER_08Can we get some horns on that?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that we ought to get some horns on that one for sure.
SPEAKER_08There he is, Richie.
SPEAKER_05Here we go. So, what else have you guys got as far as blood into biologic? I got a couple, but I'll let y'all go first. Go ahead, Bob. Well, so uh yeah, yeah, thank you. So um look, last week we had uh Dr. Mike Chamberlain, and he has reported in from he's in South Dakota and Nebraska, and he's sent in. He's on the road, man. So he's he's killed a couple of birds on the road. So that was good. We didn't fling any uh, you know, it didn't last, I should say, and that'll be a story that he can tell at some point. But had a lot had a long weekend. Yeah. So uh there's another guy, a friend of mine named Joey Hunter from uh from from Weetumpka, Alabama. What Tumka? Working on his uh Grand Slam, and he killed a bird in Wyoming yesterday. Big bird. So I always like to hear the guys are chasing that grand slam. Yeah, getting on the road. So the then and look, well uh Rob, we need to make sure guys are aware that the 2023 turkey stamps here is a little late when it's here, and you jump on a website and go buy those.
SPEAKER_07Yep, $15, ship to your door, support Wild Turkey Research for Game Keeper Grants.
SPEAKER_05100% of it goes to Wild Turkey Research. And what's about this gun? Can you real quick you can tell us about that?
SPEAKER_07The Low Country Game Bird Foundation out of South Carolina has combined with Benelli, Rob Roberts, and Mossy Oak to put together a Mr. Fox turkey gun. It's a SB328 gauge special gun. Um, it's got Mr. Fox's signature on there. It's got the Mr. Fox logo and the Low Country Game Bird Foundation logo as well. They're gonna raffle that. All the proceeds of that are gonna go again. They're gonna use that to put by turkey stamps and then to benefit turkey research. So Daniel ended up shooting that gun, killing a turkey with it in South Carolina. He left it, he left his gun at home, and we said, Well, guess what? We got one. Well, we got this 28 gauge, so we we bummed a shell from somebody and he killed one with it. So more details to come on that, but that's that's really cool. That sounds really good. So we'll learn more about how to be involved in the running. Yeah, we'll we'll put so we'll we'll put a link. The the raffle will start, I believe, in the in the first week of second week or second week of May. We'll get more details about that, but that's something to be looking at.
SPEAKER_02It is a slick looking gun.
SPEAKER_07It's bad, it's awesome.
SPEAKER_05And they say the 28 gauge is like the perfect gauge for the bigger.
SPEAKER_08And that's Rob, that's the guy we had on the podcast. Yeah, Rob Roberts. That's right. Nice.
SPEAKER_05And he talked about it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he said it was the best gun he's ever done. It's beautiful.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, oh yeah, wait, it's in Greenleaf, too, in case you didn't know. Wow. So there you go.
SPEAKER_05All right, so uh Austin, have you got any blood on the biologic? Seems like one of your youngins just killed a couple of turkeys.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, my 15-year-old is uh reminded me that um patience is greatly needed. Um even when you've been doing this for 30 years. Um talked me out of leaving a bird the other day that wasn't doing what I thought he should do. We ended up killing him a little bit later and and could have doubled had we had another gun. So um yeah, it's been been good and killed him right on a little uh half acre clover plus field on top of a ridge in Tennessee, so pretty special place.
SPEAKER_08Nice. So the teacher became the student. He did. Nice, yeah. Patience. Hey, uh Hayden is believe it or not, Hayden tells me to slow down all the time. I'm still a student and I'm 48.
SPEAKER_00There was a goblin bird on the other ridge, and I I had a axe to grind. And so you know how it is when the one you have isn't acting right, you're like, well, let's go to this other one.
SPEAKER_08There's another one over there.
SPEAKER_05I don't know. I don't have a lot of options now, it doesn't seem like do you? I mean, when you're I I'm not just hearing the turkeys like and have options. Well, we need to go with Austin.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, no, I've never heard it like that down here.
SPEAKER_00I'll let you know how much that uh my lease payment is and we can split it.
SPEAKER_08Hey, I'm in for that. Yeah, well, we'll work something out. We'll pay for turkeys.
SPEAKER_05So uh like uh guys before we get into this, do you think that and I'm being serious here, I'm not trying to You're always so serious. Yeah. So I had a guy call a little while ago that uh and I was trying to tell him about some subject matter, and I said, Listen, we've got a podcast you can listen to. Or and I he asked about he's he said, Yeah, I'm having a hard time getting up with Dudley. Well, Dudley's a hard guy to get up with. He's at concerts all the time. He's very busy. So he said, I need a native nursery catalog. And I I said, I don't think we have one, but you can go to on the web. And he said, Well, I'm Amish and I don't I don't do We don't do the web. He done did the internet. So are they l are the Amish listening to this podcast?
SPEAKER_08I would this is something to ponder.
SPEAKER_05I would guess not, but you know, maybe if they're I kind of would Dudley on this one. It just got me, you know, like what it but they can talk on the phone.
SPEAKER_02I think it just depends on you know the their local kind of rules and things.
SPEAKER_08Some of them are more we don't have uh we don't have amateur, so not that I I guess there might be some potential.
SPEAKER_02They uh they definitely fear the same God we do for sure. They just live a different lifestyle.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, well they got a number to call back when you when you're okay.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'll I'll probably just have to print out the whole website and send it to it. Well, you've done that before.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Well, you know, there are a lot of hunters in that Amish community.
SPEAKER_02Absolutely.
SPEAKER_08I mean you go to a big trade show, um, there's a lot of Oh yeah, go to the Harrisburg, Pennsylvania trade show, the Eastern Sports Show. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02This gentleman was from Punxitawney.
SPEAKER_05That's exactly where he's from. And it so he he, you know, I wrote down Let me just say this. I wrote down his Punxitawney, Pennsylvania. I said, You're gonna have to spell that, and he said, P A.
SPEAKER_08I like this guy.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So all right. So before we get started, Rob, thank you. Uh you're gonna kind of morph into our in-the-field reporter, bringing us back stories like uh the Colonel Tom Kelly report. I appreciate that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, looking forward to it.
SPEAKER_05Our mustachio reporter. Yeah, there he is. Rob Kenney. In the house. There he is.
SPEAKER_07Can I steal some more th thunder here, real quick?
SPEAKER_0515 seconds.
SPEAKER_07Ben and I killed a turkey together, first one we ever killed together. Back back home in Tennessee, opener. How did I get about Ben? I apologize.
SPEAKER_05Wearing a Mr. Fox vest.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, wearing our Mr. Fox vest, first turkey I ever called up for somebody else, and it was with a trumpet that David put me on.
SPEAKER_05And Ben, what's Ben's last name? Ben Kinney. Ben Kinney. That would be his brother. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm trying to get him to explain that.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, you're right. Ben Kinney. Yeah.
SPEAKER_08Rob, I am sorry I forgot to get you on the blood. That's okay. But I knew you'd be here to redeem yourself.
SPEAKER_02I tell you what, um That was awesome, both. I got teary-eyed watching Lake Pickle stuff with his dad and his brother. That was insane. What happened to him? Shout out to him on that. Well, just they got all got together. I think his uh brother fine Brett, I believe is his name, finally got his first turkey. I want to say uh last time they all got together, he may have missed or something. But uh it all came together. Yeah. I ate that one up. So make turkey season special. Yeah. I love seeing the whole family, you know, together. Yeah, it's cool.
SPEAKER_08Reminds me of those pictures you were talking about showing me the other day. Oh, yeah. It's nice.
SPEAKER_05All right, guys. So let's uh let's kind of turn our attention. We've got two guests via Zoom that are here with us, and uh Heath North and Jason Peroni. And they're from Stratton Seed Company. Can we hit the horns there, Ricardo? Absolutely. And we've had a long-standing relationship with these guys. Heath may be when when you talk to him, he may know more about farming and growing things than anybody out there. And being able to explain it, he's just he's brilliant. And I'm hoping we can get him to teach us and uh and and help help us understand about how to grow some warm season crops for our whitetails.
SPEAKER_02And they're also yeah, they're also really big hunters. Uh they know what they're doing. So you you combine that knowledge of of soybeans and ag crop and soil chemistry with uh great woodsmen. Get good stuff. That's how you get good stuff.
SPEAKER_05So, Heath, we're glad to have you.
SPEAKER_04Are you there? Yeah, we are here. Appreciate you guys letting us uh participate today, but hoping you didn't oversell it for us. Those were some mighty kind words, I believe, to start this thing off with. So appreciate it.
SPEAKER_05We're just glad I think you guys were at the snarky puppy concert last night, too. Oh my gosh.
SPEAKER_04We had some kind of puppy concert. I I'm not sure, but uh we we participated somehow, we'll put it that way.
SPEAKER_05Well, I'm glad to know you guys over there with your sleeves rolled up and are working. Because I right now it's probably a busy time for anybody in the in the ag seed business for sure.
SPEAKER_04It it is. We've we've both are kind of jealous of listening to all y'all's hunting stories right now because we've kind of been stuck in the saddle over here for for a month or two now, just getting things prepped and ready and getting out. But uh we're we're hopeful to participate before it's said and done with.
SPEAKER_05So that flat ground, all those big ag fields. Do y'all have many turkeys over there where y'all are?
SPEAKER_04We really don't have a lot right here. You can get into the western part of the state, uh, get to more of that mountainous range, or what we would call mountainous range, but trees, whatnot. Uh it we get into a few, but it's pretty barren here in the on the prairie for sure.
SPEAKER_08I never have understood that. I mean, Arkansas just seems like it'd be loaded with them.
SPEAKER_05I bet that Crowley's Ridge has got some turkeys on it. Got to, it's got some deer on it. Yeah, sure.
SPEAKER_02Crowley's Ridge is an is neat. You know, we have what's called the thick lus region, which is just due east of the Mississippi Delta. And gajillions of years ago it was formed from dust in the air that landed. Um and most and it's incredibly good soil, uh really good for farming. It's also one of the most erodable soils in the world. But yeah, that Crowley's Ridge is the exact same thing, it's just a smaller formation, and it's on the other side of the Mississippi. Or or on the other side of the interesting river.
SPEAKER_03So he dust.
SPEAKER_08I thought it wasn't glaciers. Well, glacial dust. Okay, okay. So not like dust. Yeah.
SPEAKER_05Okay. Ashes to ashes. Well, that we learned something. I I didn't know that. I always thought Crowley's Ridge popped up during that earthquake many, many years ago that made the river run north instead of south. What was that? That was a big earthquake. Do you remember that, Lenny?
SPEAKER_02I wasn't around. The new Madrid earthquake.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. I thought that might have caused it.
SPEAKER_02It might have. That was uh what's the big duck hunting lake at Real Foot? You know, that would form that it would form that.
SPEAKER_05Well, you know, our guests are being really quiet. I bet they probably know the answers to all these questions that we're talking about.
SPEAKER_02Maybe so.
SPEAKER_04Some of it was a little before my time as well, so uh we'll we'll have to uh lean on Dudley's knowledge there. I I'm learning a lot sitting here listening, to be honest.
SPEAKER_05Well, hey, look, let okay, let's let's get serious. Let's start. You know, we've got these uh biologic game changer soybeans that we work with you guys to develop, and there's gotta be some tips, tricks, techniques, ways to just make these things perform even better. And uh first off, can you tell us, tell our audience a little bit about these beans and what makes them different and unique?
SPEAKER_04Sure. So biologic game changers that we're promoting are a roundup ready one or glyphosate tolerant soybean. So uh from a herbicide aspect, that gives us lots of options to have a real nice clean plot. Uh it's a a uh later maturing soybean, meaning that there's more days that the soybeans have green leaves, green pods before the dry down. Uh growth habits uh are very aggressive. Uh a lot of a lot of tall growth, that's what we like to see in the forage, and even we use these beans for uh hay farmers as well, believe it or not. But um, you know, it's just a really adaptive bean that can get, you know, we move from Wisconsin down to uh Florida with these things and uh have had good results from nearly everyone we dealt with uh uh with the soybeans. Soybeans are just so adapted to their situations, it makes it a little easier in some circumstances. The seeds a little bigger and a little easier to get up out of the ground. It's just it's an overall good plant, good seed for wildlife.
SPEAKER_05So you know, soybeans and big whitetails are kind of synonymous. Yeah. But what what we've learned through the years is that not all soybeans are equal. And not all soybeans are as palatable to deer as others. And can you speak to that a little bit, Heath?
SPEAKER_04Sure. Well, we know you know, soybeans in general, they're a major source of protein, right? So even a soybean seed itself, you know, composition is is in the upper 30s to low 40 percent protein, which is very high. So, you know, that's is the seed itself, the the leaf structure, everything that's on these things are are packed full of protein and even phosphorus at this point. So uh there are a lot of good micronutrients inside of these organs, but you know, the palatability, you know, through what we've done research-wise, um, you know, we've we found a good balance of both pod production and leaf production with these. Because if you get into some forage type veins, you see that you know, you don't get as much pod or seed production that lays your bust open and falls on the ground for the deer to eat even after the back of uh of the plant itself dry down. So, you know, the palatability of not only the leaves, but even just that popping open of the seed pods has really shown a long vibe uh to the uh palatability and the uptake to the dew, to be honest, and at a time when protein is very important throughout you know early season and even into that late season as well.
SPEAKER_03On the late season, you know, I found that they will dry down, but they really hold in the pods well and they don't deteriorate, they don't rot like some ag beans do, and they seem to do very nice and hold up through the late season that I found.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it seems like you guys have really found the the happy medium, uh, but it's also combat compatible for everybody north to south. It's almost like the silver bullet. So you've got like you said, you've got the forage aspect and it makes pods, it stays standing over the winter. Uh just it's got everything. So uh one thing I wanted to ask, uh I know we have talked about determinate versed versus indeterminate before. Are these uh are they determinate or indeterminate?
SPEAKER_04So this will be an indeterminate bean, which you know, as we know, means that once a a sower bean gets to a certain development stage, a determinate bean, once it starts to flower and put pods on, the vegetative growth stops. An indeterminate bean will continue that vegetative state. So that's where we get that ice, that extra little bit of forage towards the end of middle of season for these sewer beans, and it's definitely uh something that you want in a forage type beam because it even handles browse pressure better. They have a the growth node, the terminal node, the very tip top of the plant, as long as that thing doesn't get sniffed out, uh you continue to have shoots that come off of it and continue to have more leaf and uh vegetative production, and which can result even in more pot production at the same time.
SPEAKER_02Right. Yeah, back to the happy medium. I mean, you're getting big beans, they may not all mature at exactly the same time because they're indeterminate. But it's it's uh like an ag bean. It's uh it's a hybrid, yeah, like a cross between an ag bean and a forage bean.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, well, home run. That was one of the things I wanted to try to understand was that determinant versus indeterminate. That's a good explanation there. So, Heathen, your experience, is there a minimum size plot to for growing soybeans?
SPEAKER_04Well, that's a tough question for sure. And you guys probably have as much experience with it uh as what we do. You know, we we try to gear everything at a minimum towards an acre, but you know, it all depends on your browse pressure in itself. I mean, there's some places where your deer density is so high, you know. Like I said, if you if if they were to eat that terminal note out, you're unfortunately done with the soybeans. So, you know, if you can get to an acre, a couple acres, two, three acres, it it really all depends on your deer density, to be honest. It it's difficult to finite a minimum plot. I think you need to have some kind of correlation to your deer population, to be honest.
SPEAKER_03I I think that's more of a key than anything is the deer density. You know, I was in Kansas Turkey hunting last week, and you know, I'm not I wasn't familiar, and they do not have the deer density as we do in the Delta, it seems. So I say in the Delta where you have a higher deer density, you know, you I always say a rule of thumb when I'm telling my people I always do 10%. So if they got 100 acres, I would like to see 10 acres of food plus. Uh no, they can't always do that, but as close as they can to it, that's fine. But up in Kansas, where the deer density isn't high, you could get away with two, three, four percent, you know, something like that. It's really more on your deer density to me than anything.
SPEAKER_04And you know, maybe to follow that up even, uh, it'll be timing uh of browse at the same time. So, you know, young soybeans, there's not that much there. Obviously, when they're popping out of the ground, it's a whole lot easier to clip that that growth node out. So if you get some height on your your plot, whether it be you know 10, 12 inches, that gives them something else to browse on other than that terminal node, it's going to survive a lot better. But that that first month to month and a half of browse pressure is where you will see a major impact on on the long turn of your plot.
SPEAKER_05When if you wanted to identify that terminal node or bud, what what would it what would it look like?
SPEAKER_04It it's the very top of the plant, the very center top. So where it grows from. Soybean plants have nodes. So a node is where each leaf section comes off as you see the plant grow. So a a soybean plant will have typically 12 to even 25 nodes, just depending on the height that it gets. So each level of leaves is a node, and they start in that terminal node at the very top center of the plant.
SPEAKER_02Same place you'd hang the star on a Christmas tree, Bobby.
SPEAKER_05Okay, that makes sense. Well, can you guys uh explain the uh the the need for uh well my mind just went blank here. Hang on with me, Heath. But uh what is it that the the the uh soybeans are yeah, okay, here we go. Mark that time code, Rich. So Heath, can you guys explain inoculants and whether a food plot guy needs them or not?
SPEAKER_04Uh it can go either way, to be honest. Inoculation is basically putting a bacteria into the soil with the soybean. That's what inoculating is. Uh uh those bacteria are what actually form on the roots to make nodules. So if you were to pull a soybean plant up and you see little white balls on the uh root system, those are called nodulations. And those nodulations are what help the plant pull nitrogen from the air to feed the plant. So basically, you're you're by inoculating, you are allowing the plant to make its own nitrogen to use because we all know lagoons are very good nitrogen producers. So that's a lot of your clovers, even different, any kind of lagoon, most of the time will have an inoculant. And an inoculant is used in places where maybe you haven't had a plot in the past, or if you're establishing a new plot, it's probably the most important at that time to look at inoculation, just to be sure fresh ground to get that nitrogen fixation because that bacteria may not be in the soil. Because again, if you had had a plot there that had beans in the past or whatever, you know, those microbes live in the soil without the plant. So the more concentration that you get, the the more nitrogen fixation or nodulation you would have. So probably the most important time to inoculate is on the front end of a very new plot or something that hasn't been established very long.
SPEAKER_02Oh, that that that makes sense because uh you know a lot uh uh we just we we end up uh hearing a lot of guys say we ask questions about inoculation and how important it is, and and uh but so as cheap as it is, uh, and you're doing food plots that aren't you know aren't exactly precision agriculture. Um, you know, you may be far away where you can't get lime on it and stuff, and there's not a as much of a living component of the soil. I would say just air to caution and and inoculate them, you know.
SPEAKER_04You you're very inexpensive per acre, so an inoculation is very cheap insurance, I would say, at that point, because you know, if any of us go out and plant a clover plot and we look at the analysis on the bag, you don't get a a pound of clover that doesn't have inoculant on it. It's just a standard practice that they go out and and uh with an inoculant on it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you know, um dating myself, but when I was about 15 years old, one of the first food plots I planted was some soybeans. I've talked to a guy named Jimmy Phillips, who was a farmer, and let me hunt his place, and he said, Well, I'll help you. Look, go get the beans. And he told me to pick up some inoculant. I remember it being just jet black, and we had a tub and poured those beans in this tub, and he pulled a Coca-Cola, he worked for the Coca-Cola company, he pulled a six-ounce coke out and sprayed it all over those beans and poured that inoculant, and he said the coke would make it stick to them. You ever heard anybody doing that, Heath?
SPEAKER_04I I don't know if I've heard about the Coke piece, to be honest with you. You know, uh the the the inoculant that we've got today is both hotter and liquid form, so you've got options on either way to go with that. But you know, it's important getting it next to the seed and and sticking it to the seed like that will definitely get it off to a better start, for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I've heard of the same thing, but I I don't think it's necessary. You know, we're talking about billions and billions of little bacteria's uh rhizobia, and it you don't need much and it just sticks to the seed, really.
SPEAKER_05The more we learn about growing things for for wildlife, it it kind of everything seems to go back to the soil and the health of the soil.
SPEAKER_08100%.
SPEAKER_05And these bacteria, I guess you know, it's just just another component to it.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it's basically a nutrient transfer agent, you know.
SPEAKER_09So Thank you, Mr. Dardo!
SPEAKER_08Dudley Dudley, Dudley taught me that.
SPEAKER_04It is, guys, you know, you you think about soil, and I know you guys uh promote, you know, taking soil samples, stuff like that. But for any crop, whether it's soybean or any food plot that you need, you know, if those nutrients aren't available to the plant, it you're spinning your wheels for the most part. So, you know, pH balance, uh, everything. Yeah, if your pH is off, you could be locking up your sulfur, your magnesium, stuff like that. And it doesn't get to the plant. So soil health is for sure your your number one starting point on a any kind of plot, uh, whether it be I mean, even in the agriculture world, that that's our number one starting point is where's your soil at?
SPEAKER_02Okay. Well, uh so we know they're a legume, and typically you don't hear of folks adding nitrogen when they're fertilizing. Um, but you do hear of folks using it sometimes. Uh and I guess the theory behind that is, you know, before the plant is able to nodulate and fix its own nitrogen, would it hurt just to have a pinch of nitrogen in the mix to get the plants up and running a little quicker? I know people say it may cause weed problems, but you know, this is uh we can take care of the weeds now with these soybeans. So what are what are your thoughts on that, guys?
SPEAKER_04You know, a good starter fertilize, but your uh your phosphorus and your potassium are probably most important to soybeans because of that. But as a starter, you know, a simple triple thirteen or triple nineteen, something like that, just to really get it a boost, would it's not gonna hurt. You're not going to hurt the soybean by putting nitrogen out. Um, you know, getting it in timely and uh getting getting that fertilized to the roots is going to be the most important part or to the young seedling. Um so to I don't know what that it will gain you a whole lot, but it definitely won't hurt you to take that extra little bit of precaution for no more putting putting into the acre.
SPEAKER_05So uh that brings me to a question that I've got that and you know we kind of learn from what the the the obviously the farming world has knows how to do all this, and it because sometimes you ride through Atlanta, you see them, these fields are just beautiful, there's no weeds, just you guys have got it down pat. But is there uh so many days that y'all typically say after they're planted that you that you then come back and spray glyphosate?
SPEAKER_04On game changers, it won't matter. You can spray at or at emergence. It you you basically have every option that widens your window for any kind of application. You know, for for the best possible applications, start clean and stay clean is kind of a good attitude to take on. Where uh if you plant them, go ahead and spray, make sure everything's killed, or however you're you're um incorporating uh the beans into the ground, whether it's a broadcast method or a drill method, starting clean and staying clean is probably the easiest way to think about it. Uh hitting it with a roundup at planting or a few days after just to ensure that you're you're uh got a good clean ground to start with.
SPEAKER_02Do folks use pre-emergence with Roundup Ready beans? Is that I mean, like if just say you're discing up some ground that's just incredibly weedy, it's never really been farmed before. Um, would that be something you guys would recommend? Or do you just wait until the beans pop up and hit them with glyphosate?
SPEAKER_04No, absolutely. Uh anything that you can do to hold back. Um dole is a a good um pre-emergent herbicide for soybeans. So, you know, weave and dull is something that can be tank mixed with glyphosate, so you can actually put those together and come out and spray, kill what's there, and hold back anything else that's looking at coming out of the ground other than the soybeans in the in the probably a two-week window. The key to pre-emergence though is that you have most of almost all have to have water for activation. So timing it up with the rain on that spring, or if you you do happen to irrigate, those are your you really need about a half inch of rain uh equivalency to activate those pre-emergent chemicals.
SPEAKER_02So just to clarify, he said dual D-U-A-L. I think it's dual magnum or something, but uh yeah, it's two ingredients, uh, and then I I assume they have generics by now.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh believe what is it, metula chlor would be your active ingredient. So uh goes by many trade names out there, but that's a pretty common older chemistry that that's available for uh pre-emergence on soil beans.
SPEAKER_05Okay. So Austin, uh, we don't want to lose you here in the conversation. Have you got anything to add so far to what we've been talking about?
SPEAKER_00Well, I one thing I wanted to ask Keith and his guys were, you know, if they had any suggestions on that first spraying, because I get asked about that a lot, and I've never had any bad experiences with any of our soybeans being sprayed too early, but that's always a figure in the in the back of a lot of people's mind is that you know their roundup is their glyphosate's gonna get put out too early and potentially uh injure a plant. Um I I did want to ask Heath and Mm when they're really dialing in those soybeans, have they have y'all found a ideal temperature that they like to be planted at versus other ag beans? Or are they all in that once you get in that 60, 65 degree range, as long as you're not gonna get a cold rain on them or is is 60 warm enough?
SPEAKER_04Uh 60 is probably the ideal temperature to start at. Uh soybeans can germinate even in in down 250 degrees. So if you happen to get that cold snap after the fact, for the most part, you'll be okay. Um the you know, obviously the warmer that it is, there's uh growing uh degree units, basically units that a soybean needs to be able to uh germinate and emerge. But even in those colder temperatures, it still can get those, it just may take longer. So in in the summertime, we may see, or in late spring after the soil's already warmed up. I've personally put plots out in the morning and gone back in the afternoon, and the seed is already imbibed, and imbibe meaning taking in its water that it needs inside the seed coat to uh sprout, germinate. But even in that afternoon, after roughly 12 hours, it's already done that and and actually starting to peg out with a small root system. But uh the flip side to that is I've I planted my ag beans already, and I've planted them roughly a week and a half ago and have yet to see emergence yet. But soybeans can stay in the ground in cooler temperatures for three to four weeks potentially and still germinate. So, you know, it it to answer your question, it it's hard to determine that that opportune plant time right now, with especially with the weather patterns we've been having. But you know, a rule of thumb we've always gone to in our area, uh here in southeast Arkansas is usually around uh Easter, is what we shoot for, because in times we've gotten snow at Easter, and in times we've been at 85 degrees at Easter, so it's just uh you know, uh crapshoot, really, at that point.
SPEAKER_05But um nervous land. I mean, I'd be really getting nervous.
SPEAKER_04It's it's a week and a half for me, and I'm I'm nervous, but you you got it's uh you know, but just like farming food plotting is somewhat of a uh a uh gut-wrenching feeling sometimes when you work so hard and two weeks later you still see no results at that point.
SPEAKER_08We all think that's work hard again.
SPEAKER_03To piggyback on Austin's question, you know, about the spraying. Um, a lot of my customers asked me, once you put the dual down and roundup, how long will that hold the weeds roughly? And then how late can they spray roundup that will not affect pod production on those bees?
SPEAKER_04Uh so you know, dual has an application window uh or metullical will have on the bottom to kind of help you understand when the intervals of spraying are. But each time it rains, that chemical reactivates. So that's why I say it's important not only to get it out before rain, but you know, at that Easter time frame when we're still catching spring rain. So each time that we get a rain, that chemical reactivates, and you know, two to three weeks later, you still have some active chemicals on the ground that's helping control these things. But all you're trying to do is get the canopy. And with the population, seed population that we put out, uh 40 to 50 pounds per acre, that compared to an ag system, that's a very high seed population. But that's what we want with these soybeans to get them up, get them canopied, and not even hopefully not have to make that late application of glyphosate, but it's there if you need it. You know, anything you do with glyphosate, you want to do prior to flowering because that's really when you start seeing it dimming and hurting your uh pot production. So you've got a really wide window, but by the time you get to that flowering system, flowering time of the plant, you should be at a level where your canopy and your canopy is shaving out, your ground shouldn't have any major weed issue coming on at that point.
SPEAKER_05Hey, Austin, it is it is it have you had any experience? I know you have. Can you speak to spraying the glyphosate, but adding like our mean green fertilizer in there as well and the success you've had with that?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, for sure. So um even with these beans a couple of years ago, uh I I'm a huge herbicide and junkie and trying to make sure that when you know you're taking the time, the effort, and the money to go out and spray a crop to do it right so that not only do you get a successful turnout, but we also don't want to be out there just dinging weeds up and not entirely killing them. So the main green is our water-soluble fertilizer for uh lizards that may not know. Um and it also has a micronutrient package in it. So I think it can be a really big bump to these soybeans during that growing period, especially if they get a little stressed out later in the summer when the the rainfall starts to drop off a little bit uh under the right conditions. I prefer uh later in the evening myself. Um that's just personal preference. If you're gonna go back in and clean the beans up a little bit more with some glyphosate to mix in a foliar herbicide or the foliar fertilizer that is gonna feed those soybeans directly through the leaves, even if there's not a real quick upcoming rain. Um the main green does have a little bit of nitrogen in it, like we talked earlier, but with you know, if everything's canopied out, you're not really worried about feeding any weeds because you're gonna be cleaning them up with uh the glyphosate anyway, and it you know, the nitrogen content kind of um makes those weeds suck up that herbicide a little quicker uh just because of that nitrogen action. So always a good idea in my experience if you got the time and and the money to put in a uh foliar fertilizer with your herbicide just because they they work great together. And I've never had any mixing issues with mangrane and any glyphosate, whether it be a uh generic or roundup brand. Um so I'm a big fan of it myself to give that really late time reboot uh to those soybeans, especially like I said, if they're struggling a little bit from a lack of rainfall.
SPEAKER_02Good. Yeah, I was gonna just tell everybody, since I'm the one that brought up the pre-emergent, uh the dual, um, make sure you read the label, guys, because uh you know those pre-emergent herbicides uh they're you know, they're soil active and they may not, I guess you could say, wear out uh in time for your fall food plots. So uh always read the label and make sure that whatever you're planting in the fall is compatible with that particular pre-emergent herbicide, or make sure, you know, it'll probably give you like a 60-day or 40-day when it when it kind of wears out and and you don't have to worry about it anymore. And it it actually even fluctuates with the soil texture. So if you have a clay, it may last longer than if you have a sandy soil. So just be cognizant of that, guys.
SPEAKER_00Um uh but uh that's a great point, Dudley, and something else that we probably should point out that uh I know y'all probably remember us dealing with years and years ago with other uh glyphosate tolerant crops is when you're out buying your glyphosate or Your Roundup brand to make sure that's all that's in it. Do not go out and buy Roundup from Lowe's because it may also have two percent of 4D or a masopier.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. There's that infamous red jug that you see often that's you know mostly glyphosate, but it'll have a little touch of a maze pair in it. You don't want I mean it it would work great. It works great for certain applications if you're c trying to clean up before establishing natives or uh you know they use that uh for for forestry uses and things like that. But uh yeah. Double check the label always.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah, these soybeans are not uh 2-4D dye camba tolerant or if if life is laid only.
SPEAKER_05Heath, what else do we need to know about these uh the beans before we move on to some other stuff?
SPEAKER_08What Lanny just So uh my question is you know, real quick, even for me, I mean soybeans are uh an intimidating I guess crop to plant. So um I just can you speak to the fact that you don't have to have a seed drill. You know, you can really do this in some remote areas and and how you would kind of go about uh doing it in those areas versus a uh typical agricultural site.
SPEAKER_04Sure. Uh you know, like we talked about, and we all know soybeans are pretty resilient in what they do. What is probably most detrimental in planting soybeans is planting them too deep. Uh soybeans when they germinate and start sprouting, they kind of roll out of the seed. They don't push straight up like you would think of with the grass or something or you know, any other kind of plant that that maybe is not a legume or a duckot. But uh in in that rolling process, if they happen to be too deep and the soil gets too compact on top of them, uh it'll actually break off under the ground. So that's one thing that you gotta watch out for if you're planting is doing your best to keep them at the level of moisture without probably saying going past probably two inches deep, to be honest. Um, you want to be mindful of your soil conditions at that point. But you know, a a 40 to 50 pound sack that we're putting out, and we recommend that per acre, uh, is going to be roughly a seed population of 170 to upwards of 185,000 seeds per acre, which is a very high population, which again we want for the canopy as well as the browse pressure. But that can be broadcast or drilled at that rate and you know, covered up if you've got the option to cover it up with a uh small scratcher or some kind of hair that you can just get it right under the ground ahead of a rain. But you know, getting it to the moisture is probably the most the second most important part of getting the soybean in the ground because it, like I said, we talked about it imbibing that water, that all happens within a 24-hour period. So if you can get the soybeans in the ground in the moisture for 24 hours, you stand a really good chance of getting it to pip out and actually start taking root and hopefully being able to uh pull in that moisture from surrounding it through the root system instead of being relying on exactly where it's at. But you you just it's a fine line of being too wet, not wet enough at that point.
SPEAKER_03I get hundreds of calls on the screens and all sorts of stories from everybody and different types of planting practices. Um I got the guys who have access to this, they disc it, and they get their spreaders behind their side-by-side or foiler and they spread it and cover it with a cedar tree, and that works good. I've got them uh planting onto Johnson grass or just some grass and then bushogging over the top and having that canopy and let a rain get on top of it. That seems to work because we're getting good soil contact. Um, always tell them first number one practice to try to drill it. If you don't have a drill, which most people don't, number two, get the ground work, um, broadcast it at the rate we're trying to um get accomplished and barely covered, you know. Like he said, don't bury these things. And then a last resort resort is uh just put it on top of the ground if you got access to a bush aw covered up if you see a rain coming. I've done it personally myself, works all the time. So these beans are very hardy. The original game changer, the the original one, is super tough bean. All soil types. Uh I've had that bean go in the water, it just seems to work excellent in very tough conditions.
SPEAKER_02So that's good to hear. I can't wait to try the throwing my own in our new test area.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, we got to get to work on that. Glad you're back from the show. Yeah, Dudley loves that method. Interesting. Yeah, that's really good. So, I mean, really, you can there's a lot of plants.
SPEAKER_03Right. Um, these guys, we deal, you guys too, you deal with all sorts of clientele. You got uh, you know, the some of the weekend warrior guys is trying to plant a half acre, quarter acre plot, and you got the big guys planting 40, 50 acres of these things. So, you know, a lot of people just don't have access to the equipment that they need. Uh reluctant to borrow some from friends and family. So, you know, I just we have to adapt to each each different environment and try to help these guys, you know, buy the product and plant it again next year. So we're just trying to help best way we can.
SPEAKER_02What uh what group are these beans?
SPEAKER_04Uh it's a it's a mid-group five, early to mid-group five soybean, which you know, a basically maturity groups uh start at even triple zeros, honestly, uh down to group seven. So basically what that means is how long until the soybeans have mature seed in them. So triple zero is being your earliest group seven and eight, which are almost non-existent anymore, are your very late maturing. So that November, December time frame before those guys are even really starting to dry down, losing their green leaves. But all beans are uh almost all beans are what we call photoperiod sensitive. So that's why game changer works so well from the north to the south, is because it's it does require heat to grow, obviously, and to mature and develop, but a lot of its maturity is dependent upon day lengths. So as the days actually start getting shorter, that's what triggers a soybean to actually start reproducing. So the longer the maturity, the shorter the days have to be for it to start reproducing. And even with this game changer being an indeterminate variety, even after it starts to flower to reproduce, it's still getting that um uh vegetative growth. So, again, another reason why it fits so well in our application here from hay beans to uh all of our deer beans that we're putting out at this point.
SPEAKER_02Soybeans are fun. And uh one thing I just thought of to mention is that uh you know, we're also into establishing natives, and so you can just say you've got an old pasture that's full of uh fescue or timothy or you know, some kind of cattle grass, you could grow soybeans in it for a couple of years and with that you know, Roundup resistance, you can get rid of a whole bunch of unwanted stuff, and then that next year you can go in with with native grasses, and it's a lot easier to get them established because you've been spending a couple of years with a Roundup Ready crop getting all that all that.
SPEAKER_04Another great thing about it too with soybeans and the game changer actually maturing out uh in the again in our part of the world, probably the late September, early October time frame, is we still have time to actually get in. And we promote and have seen it done several times, where if you've got a grain crop that you're wanting to put or a grain plot that you're wanting to put in uh for the fall, you can actually overseed the game changer soybeans with your fall food plot. And once those beans mature and the leaves dry and fall off, you actually have soil contact with those soybean leaves setting over the top. And once you get a rain, you've actually got your fall food plot coming up in the middle of your soybeans.
SPEAKER_02That's awesome. So you've got dry beans for them to eat on, you know, foot, two foot, three foot off the ground, and then you got all kinds of good green stuff underneath it. A buffet. Yeah, that's a buffet. Yeah, that's an awesome. Heck yeah.
SPEAKER_05Well, you know, when I I don't have to when I think about soybeans. Oh, here we go.
SPEAKER_08We've talked about the big deer on the wall.
SPEAKER_05You know, Hercules was uh growing up in that toy bean world. So it but but you know, let's not leave this the toy bean topic completely, but we've also, I mean, we you know, the we've had a lot of luck with uh like we call them protein peas, right? All that added together, those are pretty easy to grow and nutritious as well.
SPEAKER_08No doubt about it. You know, we you there's a little ad running on social now that Mac, you know, hollering at everybody, the deer season starts now. Because it really does. You know, you got to get these spring products in the ground. Great protein sources for antler genesis. You know, a lot of people do clover too. So uh, but as we all know, you know, when you're growing them, right now's the time to grow.
SPEAKER_03I personally fixed uh the game changers with some cow peas, and it negated, you know, I started clean, but it did negate the late spraying, so I just sprayed a selector post to kill my grasses. But what it did, the soybeans were growing tall, and the cow peas vined up it. August, September, I was telling him about it. Man, it just made a tangled mess of uh soybeans and peas, and it was it was awesome.
SPEAKER_05Man, why hadn't we thought of that, Bob? Well, you know, we've kind of messed around with some similar stuff to that through the years. Yeah, we really have. Well, we're gonna do that.
SPEAKER_08Protest.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I think too, for what it's worth. Uh, you know, we're uh we're trying to cultivate some of these crops here locally in seed production. We're in seed production as it is, and uh we we ran a trial last year and it caught me at the very telling because we got a real early frost here one day that got me. But uh I was super impressed by planting lab lab this past year. Oh, yeah and and you know how the drought was around here, and I'm telling you guys, this stuff was chest high on me, never been watered, uh, planted the first of May, and just I mean, beautiful plants. And again, like uh he said, uh Jason said, we came over the top with uh some clut the dim, beautiful, clean plot, lots of forage. It was just a beautiful plot. But for what it's worth from a drought tolerance, you know, you've got the cow peas, you've got the lab lab, but there's there's a lot of great options and lagoons out there for us to all be considering.
SPEAKER_02For sure. Our our mix is predominantly cow peas and mung beans, uh, which is similar, but uh and we love lab lab.
SPEAKER_05We've sold lab lab for a yeah, it's it it can be hard to get from time to time.
SPEAKER_04And uh you got any action piece that that gets it, guys, because like we talked about, you know, they're um uh uh they're also photoperiod sensitive. So you've got it like deep south Georgia, Florida is about the only place that you can really, and a lot of this even comes over from India because that's where live lab obviously originated from, was from India. But I mean there's a lot of cool things that that we're trying to pull together to go with these soil beans that um uh it's I I feel like we're gonna have pretty good thoroughfare as we move forward.
SPEAKER_02Oh, yeah. I want to recircle on uh we were talking about you know, acreage or a percentage of your property that you need to plant, you know, based on the population of deer. What are some tricks? We we were actually looking at uh e-fences the other day and realized that they are pretty cost prohibitive these days. A lot more expensive than they used to be. And uh what are some tricks you could do, you know, when you know the beans are coming up that that you might be able to keep your deer out for uh maybe a month uh or five or six weeks to get those beans up and going before they start hitting them.
SPEAKER_03You spoke of Crowley's Ridge. I've got a customer over there and they got high deer pressure. He put up, he did a little work and uh he put up an electric fence, and um he said those beans got chest tall. And he took it down, and the deer absolutely hammered them in September. But uh that's what he did because he has high density, and he just I don't have a big enough plot, he was saying. I've had several guys do that. I have some guys in southwest Arkansas, but particularly over in Crowley's Ridge, he said it worked great.
SPEAKER_02So yeah, they do work great. Uh, and you know, a lot of them are solar and you can reuse them, but uh it's a lot of money to get into one of those things. Uh and so the for folks like me on a budget, um, I've had really good luck with uh that yard fertilizer called melorganite. Um you can buy it just about anywhere. It's uh it's called melorganite. It's actually uh made in Milwaukee, and it's so it's Milwaukee organite. Uh so I think they combine a lot of don't tell them what it really is.
SPEAKER_08Okay.
SPEAKER_02Well, it's it's a lot of uh it's actually uh uh sewage treatment stuff that they uh sterilized and it's also a lot of leftovers from the beer making process, I believe. But it makes a little bitty pellet uh that you can get, and it does not smell good. But um it's pathogen-free, it's actually a fertilizer, but you don't really put enough out for it to be a fertilizer rate. You know, you can put a bag or two per acre, and I've I've had good luck at at it keeping the deer out, but also three, four weeks.
SPEAKER_08It's a slow release fertilizer too.
SPEAKER_02It is, yeah.
SPEAKER_08I actually put it in my orchard.
SPEAKER_03How much was that stuff? Do you remember?
SPEAKER_02I think it's about uh it's it's been a couple years since I've bought it, but I think it's you know eighteen, twenty dollars a bag. So, you know, maybe about forty bucks an acre to keep your deer out for uh you know three to four weeks. Works pretty good.
SPEAKER_04Does it kind of react reactivate after rain when you've seen it at that point?
SPEAKER_02Um it that's one of the problems. You know, rain can slow, slow, you know, make it not last as long. Right.
SPEAKER_04But um I I've I've heard and I've not seen it done, but you know, we hear that cayenne pepper has had that ability where you can put it in a liquid form and spray over the top, but the need to reapply after every rain can get cumbersome after a little while.
SPEAKER_02Um I've had pretty good results using it, like just around the radius, so you don't actually have to treat the whole plot, just the edge. Um we started using it.
SPEAKER_08We fertilize our trees with it to keep the deer from eating all the seed before we get it. That's how we started using it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, we put it underneath our seed trees when we're trying to collect seed. So anyway, if anybody wants to give that a shot, give it a shot.
SPEAKER_03From a personal use, um, not me personally, but I know the guy who did. We have bad hogs and deer on our farm. And um, they put one of the guys uh knows a beautician, and he told her to collect the hair, and he just went with the hair and sprunkle it around, sprinkled it around all the outside of the field, and it worked.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, Toxie uses that a lot. We used to do the same thing with hogs. Yeah, it sure does. There's not a stitch of hair in any barbershop in West Point because Toxia has swept it all up and has it in a trash bag.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. Literally. So guys, is there are are there any tips or tricks about growing warm season plots that you guys will uh that that we forgot to mention?
SPEAKER_04No, like I said, you know we talked about to begin with, but you know, warm season, cool season, whatever it is, soil health is probably one of the major things to start with, and just being sure of where your where your pH levels are and what you need, it getting that right start is probably going to be one of the biggest things to to keep in mind as you get ready to put these things in the ground.
SPEAKER_05So is there it's can uh obviously we're talking about planting these in the spring. We've we've talked about soil temperatures at least being in the 60s, but what if a guy misses all that and sometime around June or July he'd like to try to get some beans in the ground? Is he too late?
SPEAKER_04He's not too late. Uh, you know, again with them with soybeans being total period sensitive, you might not quite get the height that you would see with early planted beans, and you run the risk of running out of a little more moisture in those summertime periods. But outside of that, the soybean is is super resilient and will be popped up out of the ground probably within three or four days at that point if you've got adequate moisture. But um, you know, you'll still see it mature out at the same time as the beans that if we planted in April or May at that or you know, late April, early May at that point. So it it's like I said, probably one of the most versatile crops that that we have, to be honest.
SPEAKER_03Crazy the here, but um, I've got people if bow season typically starts around here September 20th, somewhere around 1st of October. They're planting soybeans about two weeks before bow season to get those, you know, because it's been summer, everything's dry, everything's nasty. So they plant soybeans, try to catch a rain and get those small soybeans coming up, and the deer just absolutely hammer them. And they kind of make a kill plot or you know, just some kind of something to get them in close.
SPEAKER_02Um, and uh I have read a few, I want to say Bronson and Steve did did a study um uh comparing, you know, like a uh soybeans, peas to actual feed. Um and so if if you're into comparing costs and and getting the most protein per dollar, um there's a few studies out there that you can look at, or you can really just do the math yourself. If you're heavy on feeding deer, um I would encourage you to to do some price comparison. Um I think you'll I think you'll find out that that growing something is is much more economical than feeding.
SPEAKER_05Um I think healthier all around.
SPEAKER_02And we don't have that concentrated feeding in one area, you know. It's really good. And the healthier the milk is, the healthier the baby is.
SPEAKER_08And I know Austin has talked about this, you know, though the health of that doe and the health of that fawn will allow that fawn to express its full genetic potential earlier if it's healthier in life.
SPEAKER_05So Heath, we had uh Bronson Strickland was on here uh a year or so ago and talking about a uh a pre uh a doe with two fawns and her calorie need per day per day just blew our mind. Would you care to just take a guess at how many calories she needs a day to nurse two fawns? I wouldn't even know where to guess at them. Would it shock you if I said 20,000 calories a day? Wow.
SPEAKER_04I was gonna get 10 to be honest, but I I couldn't imagine taking in 20,000. That is crazy.
SPEAKER_02I'm not a calorie counter, but what a what a humans what are they supposed to eat a day?
SPEAKER_08I think I'm about three or four thousand myself, but I think it's two thousand. So ten times what a human would need.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, that's that's a lot. Well, so look, guys, we uh we've really enjoyed having y'all on. Is there something else anything else that you guys wanted to mention or talk about before we we're gonna turn it over to Dudley and let him ask you a few questions?
SPEAKER_04We appreciate you guys taking some time with us and uh letting us participate today because we learned just as much from Dudley as what you guys probably learned from us, to be honest.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, he's go Doug. He's uh he's a he's fun to listen to, that's for sure. Well at this part, do we have any ask Dudley's or do we have do we have any rapid fires?
SPEAKER_02No, we talked about that when I was on the way here. He was a number of oh, we didn't have time.
SPEAKER_05I thought you said you were gonna try to come up with a few those. So well, we have this segment called Rapid Fire, and it's brought to you by our friends at Springfield Armory, and we're not gonna do it today. Uh but we do have a trivia question that uh our mistaccio friend Rob is gonna ask. And look, if uh if you get the y'all can collaborate, if you get that question right, one of our listeners who's left us a review wins a pair of Leopold sunk glasses.
SPEAKER_08I thought we only had one pair of them.
SPEAKER_05We have four pairs of them. Four four pairs. If y'all get it wrong, the listener wins a palette of game changer storyboards.
SPEAKER_08We got some orders to do.
SPEAKER_05Okay, I don't know. I think I might want to get this one wrong.
SPEAKER_07Okay, so here we go. So the question is the Algoncan we playing for Algonquin. Oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. There we go, here we go. We're playing for a guy. I I'm new, I'm new here.
SPEAKER_08It's been on the road. Yeah. No.
SPEAKER_07Okay, so uh this is for wildlife with a seven at the end of it. So this the question is the Algonquin speaking Indians of the Ohio Valley referred to the area where the state is now. As Arkansas, meaning what? If you don't know, we'll we'll throw out some multiple choice questions. I do not know. Okay, here you go. Multiple choices. A land of the wild pig. B dismal swamp. C the south wind or D flaming eagle.
SPEAKER_02What about E shoots ducks off water?
SPEAKER_07Or the land of the He who water swats. Yeah. It may relate somewhat to your name.
SPEAKER_05Yeah. And uh and and Heath, look, I can see Heath wiping sweat off his forehead right now. Uh the the a palette of game changer. It's not that expensive.
SPEAKER_09Hmm.
SPEAKER_04So I I think we're gonna go with A on this time.
SPEAKER_05Let's see, land at home. Let's think about that just for one second. Uh Heath. I'm not sure who you're getting count can't counsel from.
SPEAKER_07Read them again. So A, Land of the Wild Pig, B, Dismal Swamp, C, the South Wind, or D, Flaming Eagle.
SPEAKER_08Heath, I tell you. When all else fails, which one do you pick?
SPEAKER_07What gets degrees?
SPEAKER_04Boom!
SPEAKER_02The South Wind. The South Wind.
SPEAKER_03That's an odd name.
SPEAKER_08It is. Can you explain that? Well, and too, I think in Quapal, it's like land of the Downriver people.
SPEAKER_05Well, we ask about what Indian tribe.
SPEAKER_07The algonquins. Algonquins, my bad. This concludes my knowledge of Algonquin Indians.
SPEAKER_08I like your tip, Rob. Gets degrees.
SPEAKER_05Well, Wildlife 7, if you'll get in touch with us, we got a pair of uh Leopold sunglasses front for you. And uh Heath, we need to we might need to do a little preparation for this type of thing next time.
SPEAKER_08He thought he was talking about beans, not indigenous people names.
SPEAKER_05Well, I'm gonna tell you. And He if he boy he knows planting. He knows agriculture. He's a good guy to have on our team to be able to ask questions to and whatnot.
SPEAKER_08But uh And we got a fresh crop of game changing change of beans in today, so just anybody listening this order, they're shipping out coming at you. Spring protein peas back here too. It's time. I'm gonna take one of these guys' tip, get a bag of each, mix it up, do it to it.
SPEAKER_05But don't spray it. You can't spray it with with uh glyphosate if you do that.
SPEAKER_08But don't spray it.
SPEAKER_05I would have sprayed it. Yeah, you sure would.
SPEAKER_08What happened to my peas, Bobby?
SPEAKER_05Yeah. So do we have anything else that we need to cover?
SPEAKER_08Um, start thinking about deer season now. You know, get spring crops in the ground, whether you're doing clover, soybeans, spring protein peas, whatever you're doing. It's time to start start thinking about it and making those preparations and uh making for a good deer season.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, you know, if you have a Furminator, that's the perfect way to plant all that stuff. And we're you know, I'm hearing a lot of guys like in a club, they'll raise money and and then they'll share it with uh neighboring clubs and whatnot.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, and look, check your local uh U FSA and US main RCS offices. A lot of them have drills you can rent or borrow. Um so that's a good tip. Lots of stuff out there.
SPEAKER_05If you got an LS tractor, okay. Well, look, we we really appreciate it. He we always enjoy having you on. I'll come by and see you sometime, we'll take you out to lunch. Absolutely. Bobby's got it.
SPEAKER_03Thank y'all.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah, Lenny. We always learn something. Every time. I I'm a big fan of these these spring and summer food plants. 100%. And what I've seen and just you know, my messing around with it, but these if you can keep the deer kind of trained to come into an area, it's a it's a it's a good thing. And what you and you see these do these pregnant does showing up, you see them drag those babies in there at the end of the summer. And then it and then you transition that plot over into a cool season plot, and they just continue to get it.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and you got your camera in on one corner, and you're seeing all these bachelor bucks walking around eating your beans and stuff. It uh it just gets you a lot more excited.
SPEAKER_08Yeah, it seems in summer too, they're almost you know, bed down in them. They just lay down and just wait and wake up and eat. Yeah. They don't do that much in the fall. They do sometimes, but it's you see it a lot in the spring.
SPEAKER_05Taking care of your deer, it's just so important. No doubt about it. And fun. And it's such a nutritious planning in the summertime. And it really is. And I tell you what, you know, like we you've got, y'all both have young boys. Yes, it's a great way to get them out there and teach the growth stuff. Absolutely. It sure is. All right. Well, I'm looking around. Is there anything else we need to do? I'm guessing we've about covered it.
SPEAKER_07Yeah, just don't forget to check the show notes. We're gonna put lots of links to our partners, but also we'll have stuff in there, just additional information, recipes, all kinds of other stuff. So make sure you're checking the show notes.
SPEAKER_08Yeah. Hey, proud to have you back on the set there, buddy.
SPEAKER_07Appreciate it.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, good to be here. That's Rob McKinney, our mustachioed in the field report.
SPEAKER_08He's developing kind of a handlebar over there. I mean, the thing's getting pretty serious.
SPEAKER_02Um, you know, do they ever change or are they just gonna keep keep on this mustache thing?
SPEAKER_07I don't know. My wife has opinions. Is it a walrus mustache?
SPEAKER_08Does your wife like the mustache?
SPEAKER_07Well, she well, she does. She does, give it away, you know.
SPEAKER_02So I think the reason we I think the reason we pick on you so much, Rob, is because we like you. Oh, yeah.
SPEAKER_07Well, I appreciate it. I'm glad to be here.
SPEAKER_08If nobody's picking on you, you around here you're just gonna be.
SPEAKER_07She doesn't always look disappointed all the time, though.
SPEAKER_05With your mustache. Well, Richard, can you play us out with some snorky puppy? Oh my god. Yeah, well.