EP:320 | Mastering Mouth Calls with Josh Grossenbacher & Hunter Wallis

This week we are joined in-studio by world-class callers Josh Grossenbacher and Hunter Wallis. These guys are at the top of their game and understand the nuances of running mouth calls at the highest level. There are a lot of questions asked and plenty of information provided to help understand, learn to use, and take care of a mouth call. We also discuss hunting strategies that these two have learned and finally they perform a two-man calling sequence that is incredible. Listen, Learn and Enjoy.  

Show Notes:
Josh Grossenbacher: https://www.instagram.com/joshgrossenbacher/
Hunter Wallis: https://www.instagram.com/hunterwallis/
Rolling Thunder Game Calls: https://rollingthundergamecalls.com/ 

Transcript

SPEAKER_05 0:00

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SPEAKER_02 0:25

We're live in three, two, one. I don't know that we want to get this one started, guys, because it's already been rough up next.

SPEAKER_03 0:32

Oh, sure. Honestly, I wish we'd recorded the last 15 minutes for everybody. It's been a free-for-all. It has. Yeah, but you got a guest that means a lot to us. It's a good friend. And the first thing he blurts out is go buckeyes. Oh, come on, man. That had to start it right there. And he looks like Ryan Day. He actually does.

SPEAKER_06 0:52

Oh, he does. I forgot we talked about that last time.

SPEAKER_10 0:54

Yeah, he does. He'd be a little heavier. Sure. I bet he's tired. I bet he's tired of hearing about that.

SPEAKER_08 1:02

Every time they're on TV, I get three, four texts from people. A lot of people from the South, like, oh my God, you favor Ryan Day. Are you there? And I'm like, man, he he's a handsome son of a guy. Yeah, but he can't.

SPEAKER_03 1:14

Not everybody would be that good looking. Yeah, but he is as our buddy Bob would say, but he can't, yep.

SPEAKER_02 1:18

He can't, yep.

SPEAKER_03 1:20

Not like our buddy.

SPEAKER_02 1:21

So let's set the table. So uh welcome West Point, Mississippi, everybody. We're we're this is a Friday, the day before the turkey tailgate. So we have a lot of guests coming through. Yes, we can do with us. So we're gonna, you know, it's the you know, we look up and here's Josh Grossenbacher. And he's he was here last year. Of course. We had such a fun time with him.

SPEAKER_03 1:43

And uh leave the door unlocked, and here is my he's my drug dealer. He drops off my little baggie when he comes through, too. So that's important. Yeah, he makes those personal little calls.

SPEAKER_10 1:53

I saw him making an exchange earlier. It's pretty pretty funny.

SPEAKER_03 1:57

Yeah, it comes out and leaves the rolled-up paper on the front couch out there and then walks off to somebody to come pick it up.

SPEAKER_02 2:04

You know, Josh, I'm always scared I'm gonna mispronounce your last name. What a what a last name that is. Yep. German.

SPEAKER_10 2:12

We talked about this last time. We did, we should do.

SPEAKER_02 2:14

But I still, I still, when I look at it, I'm thinking about it. He's got a right to where it's got a pick people apart, you know. So sitting next to Josh is a young man, a rising star in the turkey call world. Yeah, I don't know if I'd say that. Hunter Wallace. I'd say a risen star. He has been risen indeed.

SPEAKER_03 2:31

I think he's been risen for a while.

SPEAKER_02 2:33

Well, yeah, but and younger, yes. Now you don't spell your last name like Lanny does. No, I'm IS. He's an IS.

SPEAKER_09 2:40

I don't know if that's better or worse, but I don't know. It's out there. It's probably all the same. It probably is. Probably.

SPEAKER_02 2:46

So, guys, we've got some Yankees in the building. Yeah, we do. For sure. You're from Pennsylvania. Josh is from Ohio. Bobby. Well, and no, we're not against the prejudice, Bobby. It's just a little different.

SPEAKER_03 2:59

Josh, he's from Montgomery, and he thinks we're Yankees in North Michigan. This is true.

SPEAKER_02 3:05

Well, guys, I'm excited to have y'all here. We number one, we always enjoy talking with you, Josh, and we're looking forward to meeting you and learning about you, Hunter. But we're we're gonna talk about running a mouth call. Oh, yeah. And Josh is so good at explaining things.

SPEAKER_03 3:18

Well, you know, you would say you would look back and say, why do you keep having people on? Why do you have him on again? You know, I'm not gonna compete in a contest or all that. But you know, I think everybody out there turkey hunting, more than any single like thing, would want to get better at their mouth calls. And to relate what all he can bring to the table to the average guy, to the guy just beginning all is very important to me that we hopefully we can get to some of that for.

SPEAKER_08 3:47

Are you up to it, Josh? Absolutely, absolutely. You know, we you would text me the other day, like, is there something else maybe we could cover besides mouth calls? And we're talking about it, it's like, man, I sit in my shop year round and build these things and run them and think about hunting. I don't really know what else to talk about. You got the right guy here there. That's right. But but we appreciate you having us here and and excited for tomorrow, and and youth season's kicking off. We're gonna be hunting with uh with a youth this weekend. And man, it's just a great time of year.

SPEAKER_03 4:19

It's a good time to really use your pocket, that's for sure. You know, you can feel it, you can just hear the birds singing at a different level already.

SPEAKER_08 4:27

Yeah, just outside a minute ago when they were doing it. Yeah, we noticed that we we drove down to Tennessee and stayed at Spence's last night, and like first thing when we got out of the truck, he's like, all the songbirds are you know sounding off, and he's like, Oh, it's spring's coming, man.

SPEAKER_09 4:39

Whole different feel than up north right now.

SPEAKER_03 4:41

So turkey hunters tune into it a little even a little more than most. I wouldn't say everybody, because that's what we look forward to. Oh, yeah. You know, we we kind of become a part of that whole awakening. Well, yeah, the revival.

SPEAKER_10 4:56

We all have our signs.

SPEAKER_03 4:58

I can assure you for everybody out there, that there was some cackling going on right before they said we're going record this. I mean, everybody's really stirred up and happy. And the turkey tailgate thing's pretty cool. I all the credit goes to the the retail and marketing team for coming up with that. But it's like a celebration of the callmakers on top of a promotion for a store we have here. It's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very cool.

SPEAKER_02 5:19

Well, before we get started, Lanny, have you got a current event? I do not have a current event today. Lanny, well, that's a demerit. Yeah, it is a demerit. We got one over here.

SPEAKER_03 5:27

Well, you've been cracking that whip about one a day this week. We're yeah, Bobby. We barely have time for anything. Mike, would you have to do that? I haven't eaten all week, Bobby.

SPEAKER_06 5:35

Appreciate the heads up this morning. You could have told me to get one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 5:39

Well, look, we're gonna let Dudley do some rapid fires at you guys real quick, kind of get to know you a little bit. Loosen up. And then we won't Josh, like you take a minute to introduce yourself. Let everybody know who you are, what what all you've won, uh, you know, just any negatives in your life we need to know about. And then we'll do the same, we'll do the same for Hunter. So and then we'll get started with the questions. So Dudley, I'm gonna turn it over to you. Okay.

SPEAKER_10 6:04

All right. So uh are we doing you want to just do Josh or should we do the alternate? Yeah, it makes sense.

SPEAKER_06 6:11

Do the alternate, yeah. All right, or can't they both answer? Yeah. There you go.

SPEAKER_10 6:15

Okay, we'll just do the both answer. Yeah, all right. So uh one one and then the other.

SPEAKER_06 6:19

Okay.

SPEAKER_10 6:20

The last two are kind of pointed towards Josh.

SPEAKER_06 6:24

Uh but you can answer them anyways.

SPEAKER_10 6:26

All right, we got it. Okay. Josh first, hunter second. Y'all ready? Ready. Are you ready? Yep. When hunting public, would you prefer to go deep in the middle woods or hunt around the edges near private? I'm I'm gonna go where wherever I hear one goblin.

SPEAKER_08 6:42

There you go.

SPEAKER_09 6:42

That's usually by the private, so probably probably probably on the I'm gonna pick the edges.

SPEAKER_10 6:48

Uh mouth calling, pick a side, left, center, or right. Forced to use one side. Right.

SPEAKER_09 6:53

Center all the time.

SPEAKER_10 6:55

Pick a day to hunt. Cool, overcast, and windy, or really hot, muggy, and calm.

SPEAKER_08 7:02

I know that one.

SPEAKER_09 7:04

Ah man, I'd I'd probably say the hot, muggy, and calm, honestly. I think you're gonna be different on that one.

SPEAKER_08 7:10

Yeah, I man, it seems we've had so many days when it's cool and overcast. I I do not like wind, but cool overcast.

SPEAKER_10 7:18

Okay, there you go. All right, no mouth yelpers allowed. What are you pulling out of your vest? First glass call. Yeah, probably a glass call. All right. If you had to sound like one hen, would you be an old hen or a young hen? Old. I'll just go young to be opposite. Forced to only make gobbler sounds. Are you gonna be Jake yelping or gobbler yelping? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_09 7:45

It's pretty hard to separate them, in my opinion. So I'm just gonna be trying to sound like a any type of gobbler I could sound like, I guess.

SPEAKER_10 7:51

Okay, are you more of an early spring guy or a late spring guy? All of it, but I I like hunting late better. Yeah, I gotta agree. You're just favorite month outside of turkey season. Doesn't have to be turkey related. Just what's your favorite month?

SPEAKER_09 8:08

November. Yeah, I gotta agree. I gotta agree with that one. Deer season, huh?

SPEAKER_10 8:13

Uh do you try to get amongst them in the pitch black dark, or are you usually gonna wait around and and see what's going on before you make a move?

SPEAKER_09 8:25

I think I'd rather wait around if I can, but yeah, I guess it depends on the situation. Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_10 8:32

Uh choose two solid off-the-shelf calls you'd normally recommend to somebody who's clueless. Oh, a honor wallet signature series.

SPEAKER_09 8:42

That's that's the other one. Second Hunter Wallet signature series.

SPEAKER_03 8:49

Can I can I ask for an amendment besides mouth calls? Not a brand of call, but what type of other call for a beginner?

SPEAKER_08 9:00

For a beginner? Yeah. A push button and uh any type of glass or slate call.

SPEAKER_09 9:06

Yeah, I'd probably have to say a box call, man. It's just foolproof, and it sounds some of them sound as good as anything else out there.

SPEAKER_10 9:13

All right, and last one's uh uh Waverly buffet. If given the opportunity to eat the Waverly buffet again, knowing the results from last year, would you?

SPEAKER_08 9:24

Oh my god, absolutely. Okay, just never again before a podcast.

SPEAKER_10 9:29

And and last question pepsid, pepto, or alka salsa? Alka Celsa. All right, to the rescue.

SPEAKER_06 9:36

Those are good.

SPEAKER_03 9:37

Good job, so just for the record, I wake up every Friday just dreaming about the fried chicken out there. Yeah, and the turnip grain's pretty good, too.

SPEAKER_10 9:44

So yeah, so Josh just kind of fell into that last year and kind of forgot that he had to do a podcast afterwards. I engorged himself.

SPEAKER_08 9:54

It's it's easy to man, like there's so much good stuff. Like, we don't have fried chicken like this at home. Right? Nobody does. No, nobody does.

SPEAKER_09 10:03

It's the best I've ever eaten. I heard about this the whole ride down, by the way.

SPEAKER_10 10:07

He had to stop a couple times mid-podcast and like take a breath.

SPEAKER_08 10:12

I was bird wedding. Like, I was so full. Like, yeah, so we got some some cottages over at what, Waverly? So, like, if if we were to go get that, like I would go straight to the cottages to get a nap. There you go.

SPEAKER_03 10:25

That's the proper way to do it. Yes, correct. Exactly right. Well, we're gonna do it before then. So anyway, that was a fun experience. That's gonna be that's gonna make us have a hard stop here in a little while for sure.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

Why do you think Ohio and Pennsylvania both? There are a lot of good callers come out of those states. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:43

There's a high population of hunters. That's I go back to the early days of this, and I was trying to learn, and I thought, you know, the the South was the center of the universe, you know. And then I found out Pennsylvania had more licensed owners than Alabama, Mississippi, and Georgia combined. At least at that time. So, yeah, the density of people up there, too. And if if now that we've learned a little bit more about the origins of the species, I've, you know, I know it I'm proud of it came from somewhere I grew up, but uh Pennsylvania had them a lot earlier than a lot of the other states in Ohio right there. So I think there was a history going on early on that probably bred it.

SPEAKER_06 11:19

And lots of hunters too.

SPEAKER_03 11:21

Because from the first 40 years ago, our first days, and obviously one nearly as big, but there was a huge amount or percentage-wise of the callers coming from up there, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio. Yeah.

SPEAKER_10 11:32

So, like around here, were there pockets that had have has had turkeys forever around there? Is that why there's so much of a turkey hunting heritage around PA and eastern Ohio?

SPEAKER_09 11:44

Man, for PA anyway, it was definitely spotty from you know, just stuff I've heard from my dad. And you know, even my grandpa back in the day, it was, you know, seeing a turkey was a big, big deal. And you know, I can remember the stories of they'd see him down our camp, and it was like, you know, he told everybody in town, I don't know if it's just such a high population of hunters, and you know, the winters are so long and boring, especially back when you know, everybody that I know, especially the older guys, they talk about like the first couple seasons and and learning it. And I don't know if it was just so deep-rooted that everybody, you know, everybody from the north had no idea what they were doing at you know, when it first came in, and they all kind of learned together and it just kind of struck that interest in everybody. But it it's it's kind of cool how I I have noticed everybody that started, my dad, a bunch of his buddies, they always talk about their first couple years, and it seems like that kind of really planted the seed.

SPEAKER_08 12:30

And and and fall hunting was yeah, way more popular than the spring, yeah, spring season.

SPEAKER_06 12:35

Yep. Interesting.

SPEAKER_02 12:37

Well, why why don't we stop right here?

SPEAKER_09 12:38

Uh Hunter, why don't you tell us about yourself? Oh man, there's not much to say other than just a turkey hunting fanatic. I mean, I've been calling turkeys and uh calling in contests for as long as I can remember. I guess my first contests, I was I don't know, five or six years old. I remember a call with a box call and didn't do any good and kind of took a break from it, and then I picked up a mouth call and started doing pretty well in that and won a a little local fair contest. And man, from then on out, it just kind of stuck with me and started going to some bigger contests and obviously hunting as much as I can and just kind of got obsessed with it. You're a pretty young guy though. I'm 27 now, so yeah. I mean, I've been doing the contest thing and obviously, man, hunting as long as I can remember, but yeah, it's uh it's it's just stuck with me, and it's all I think about.

SPEAKER_02 13:25

Long as he can remember, he's 27 years old, and you know, you don't have to remember back that far.

SPEAKER_03 13:29

Like not that far toxic, but I resemble that.

SPEAKER_02 13:33

So, Josh, are you out on work release? How did you get out of the state? What is what man?

SPEAKER_08 13:38

I between Nashville and coming down here for the weekend, like I I I just I needed a break like from building calls, like it has just been non-stop, and like I'm totally burned out on it right now. I'm ready to yelp at turkeys and talk turkey hunting with people instead of being confined to a small room with a air compressor blowing all day long. Like I I I am I am fried right now building turkey calls.

SPEAKER_02 14:05

You ever make one and you uh do you test these things out? Or has it got your DNA on them when we buy a package?

SPEAKER_08 14:11

No, I mean just my hands, but yeah, no, I don't you don't recycle yelpers.

SPEAKER_10 14:19

Bobby Bobby does. Yeah, so don't ever take a hand.

SPEAKER_03 14:24

When did you first call in the contest? He was telling them about his, but that really wasn't that terribly long ago for you, was it?

SPEAKER_09 14:30

For yeah, me? I mean, no, not give us contest like 15 years ago, maybe or yeah. I mean, that was you know, like I said, I was I think I was six or something.

SPEAKER_03 14:39

They were but like when you first like mouth call serious competing.

SPEAKER_09 14:43

Serious competing. Uh I would I think the first time I called in the Grand Nationals anyway, I was 12 probably. So that was 15 years.

SPEAKER_03 14:51

Yeah, what about for you?

SPEAKER_08 14:53

Uh 2002, I would have been 23. Okay.

SPEAKER_03 14:57

So here's the thing. And look at what's going on today. Go in there and what just happened up there and listen to it. And if there's ever like the old saying about any, you know, people use it in business or other things, like competition just make you better. It drives business. Oh my gosh. The level of the calling and the perfection of it, musically, honestly, is incredible. And the competition of so many good callers has just pushed it to another level. Yeah, can you believe the difference? And I mean, there was always a lot of talent even 40 years ago, but what's going on today is incredible.

SPEAKER_08 15:32

It's man, it's it's constantly evolving. It's like I don't know, 15 years ago, Matt Van Syß come came out with you know a really strong Yelp, and it was it was kind of on top for a while, and then and then something else check uh happened, and somebody else took over with a new sound, and then like you're seeing it now evolving into a lot of like really, really pretty, like unbelievable soft talk. Yes, correct. That's like I mean, from when I started, and I mean this has been the turkey calling contest has been going on for a long time, but like from when I started 20-some years ago to now, the the amount of evolution and and like just sounded like a flock of turkeys or uh it's like you could close your eyes and be right there in the woods. Like back then, I didn't think like man, it the calling can't get any better, and it just keeps getting better. It's crazy.

SPEAKER_09 16:26

It's it's unit's unbelievable. You just get on YouTube and listen to like you know, even 2012 Grand National, 2014, and man, it just seems like every year the competition's that much better. It is insane, right?

SPEAKER_03 16:38

Yeah, and and and some of these I can speak to Dave because we know him so well, but a lot of he in his he was so excited, and he's worked so hard at it, but he went in this year. But his thing is he spent so much time in the woods with turkeys. Yes, yeah, not just like doing the things to give you an edge in the competition type stuff. I mean, they all know that, but he that's what you were alluding to. It's like people that have spent so much time with turkeys that they're imitating all these little things they do, besides just the you know, the Kiki run, the assembly yelp, you know, the fly down cackle, blah blah blah blah, you know.

SPEAKER_08 17:11

The the overall rhythms and rhythm rhythms and cadences, I mean, anybody, any turkey hunter, like when you're in the woods and a hen's yelping, like it's instantly like when you're uh conversing with her, like it's so easy to pick up those rhythms and cadences, like even compared to just like listening to uh you know the computer or your phone or whatever, but like when you're in the woods having that conversation, man, it's like you really, really zone in on that.

SPEAKER_09 17:38

I think nowadays, too, you see guys doing a lot of stuff that they were probably scared to do in the contest maybe 15 years ago just because they didn't know if it would score or not.

SPEAKER_03 17:46

Well, yeah, because it would be like you're almost like you're graded on mistakes instead of excellence. You know, that because honestly, I've judged, it's been a long time, but it's like, oh my god, these guys are so good, and that's like 20 years of going back. What do you find to score? It's like so you listen for a mistake and you grade them off for that, you know. Yeah, but nobody makes mistakes much anymore. It's just who can bring it to life more than anybody now.

SPEAKER_10 18:15

Yeah, yeah, I don't have the ear most turkey hunters have, especially the these guys that are just obsessed with it. But one thing I've seemed to noticed uh respectfully, uh it was almost more like a show-off a longer time ago competition. And now it's like let me see how close I can get to sounding exactly like the real thing in a real situation.

SPEAKER_03 18:39

Who is spitting feathers? Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_08 18:42

Josh, uh what part of Ohio are you from? Northeast Ohio, uh a little south of Cleveland, west of Akron.

SPEAKER_03 18:49

Uh oh, uh-oh. Not far from somebody there.

SPEAKER_02 18:52

Yeah. Do you so do you still call in contest in in the state around the local contest and that sort of stuff?

SPEAKER_08 18:58

Uh yeah, um, like our state contest. Um not as many as I used to. Like I just don't have the time.

SPEAKER_03 22:00

Uh that's like careful what you ask for, you'll get it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 22:03

Everybody wants his calls. Do you when they see you coming, there's everybody like, uh, no point in me calling? No, not anymore. The legend that the that you've got though is I mean, you sound so much like a turkey.

SPEAKER_08 22:19

It's incredible. I appreciate that, but I mean, I've been fortunate to win some stuff, but I mean, it I don't I don't know if if people get nervous when I show up, I don't I don't see that. What's the pinnacle? What have you what would you say the pinnacle of your career has been? Uh the 2015 World Championship and I won a head-to-head at the Grand Nationals, and two runner-ups in the senior division at the Grand Nationals, those were probably my highlights. I mean, the the Grand National, there's no getting any higher than that. That's the most prestigious one.

SPEAKER_02 22:52

What's the break on the senior division, the junior? So is there a s like an old man divis?

SPEAKER_08 22:58

No. The the senior division, it's 21 and above. Right. And then there's an intermediate that is 16 to 20. 16 to 20. And then the the juniors is 10 to 15, and then 10 and under's polls. Were you thinking about getting in by well?

SPEAKER_02 23:11

I was wondering if there was like a 60 and over.

SPEAKER_03 23:13

You know, that would be a big thing. Bobby Bobby. Bobby'd be the uh the guy that showed up for Little Lee with the doctored up, you know, uh birth certificate and all.

SPEAKER_08 23:21

If if there was a 16 above, Stevie Stoltz would be competing by himself. He can yelp too.

SPEAKER_02 23:27

Yeah. So if you've got dentures, would that affect the way you can put a mouth call in? Great question.

SPEAKER_03 23:33

What about no hairs?

SPEAKER_08 23:34

That's that's one Bobby's work about that because they give you points. I don't man, I've always wondered about the dentures thing, but I don't know anybody with dentures that runs a mouth call to get a honest answer. I mean it would have to, though, I think. Maybe somebody in the comments could with dentures that runs a mouth call could help us. There you go, babe.

SPEAKER_06 23:52

All right, Lanny, I'm gonna let to look at you on the first question. Yeah, I'm gonna ask about Colin, believe it or not. So, I mean, we kind of mentioned on, I mean, it's like the soft side of it, you know, the first thing you learn is yelping hard and trying to cut and all those other kind of things. But uh, I know Bobby has been trying, and I have too been working in it, and we call it a bubble cluck, you know. Is there any kind of tips or pointers you could give Bobby? Because he needs a lot of work on what he's been doing around the office.

SPEAKER_08 24:19

I think we covered this last year too, but those so those soft clucks. I mean, I think like a like a nice uh two-read call, like a ghost cut, I can produce those soft clucks with good or um I like those setback batwing calls. Yeah, yeah. Not as thick as uh light takes.

SPEAKER_09 24:38

I think you gotta you gotta kind of change up your strategy when you're blowing it too. And said, you know, just a regular cluck's more of a just a straight sound. For me, I almost like make a almost like I'm gonna make a whistling type noise with my lips and kind. Tighten my lips up and just you know, it's that's why they call it a bubble cluck, it pops kind of. So you just kind of whistle it and you know, just blow some light air out of it and seems to more lips than anything. Yeah, yeah. I think like kind of tightening everything up, and then you know, you make that kind of whistle sound and it just you know when it sounds right, it sounds like a drop of water. Yeah, yeah, pretty much. Pretty much.

SPEAKER_02 25:09

I love to hear somebody that can do that though. It's really henny sound.

SPEAKER_06 25:14

It is a henny sound, no doubt about it.

SPEAKER_02 25:16

Yeah. So, Hunter, what you recently you competed in the Grand Nationals, and how did that go?

SPEAKER_09 25:22

Oh man, it was good. It's the highest I've ever finished in the senior anyway. I mean, I was lucky to win the youths a couple times and the team, but uh I ended up third this year. So yeah, that was that was really cool, man. I was excited to be up there.

SPEAKER_03 25:33

That's I'm telling you. That's some heat to get even in the top 12, really, to be honest with you.

SPEAKER_02 25:39

That's that feel you're standing at the stage and they call out your name.

SPEAKER_09 25:41

Well, it's just gotta be really exciting. And it's it's kind of a surreal feeling, honestly. You know, I've made the finals the last few years and uh have not made the top five. And first year making the top five, it was definitely definitely pretty good. I was pumped up about it.

SPEAKER_10 25:55

And by the way, you can go to YouTube and watch it.

SPEAKER_08 25:58

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 25:59

Yeah, it's on YouTube.

SPEAKER_08 26:00

I watched I watched that not long after I got back from Nashville, and I was really impressed with how good the audio was because usually it's not that good on there, and it was it was pretty good.

SPEAKER_03 26:10

Put on some headphones if you can make it connect to your phone to listen to it closely.

SPEAKER_02 26:15

It's incredible. So, as contest callers, are there things that y'all do with your mouth calls? I'd I'd love to pull out some secrets. I mean, uh there's probably things that you don't want to say that you do, but are there how are you taking care of these calls? Or are is one call lasting you several years? You're looking at each other like who's but we want to learn about this stuff.

SPEAKER_08 26:39

Okay, I'm gonna I'm gonna tell on him. I know how he takes care of his stuff.

SPEAKER_09 26:44

Uh most of my calls are you know the day before Grand National is pulled out of my little hunting pots from the year before. Most of them aren't, but I don't take care of it.

SPEAKER_03 26:53

No, I can't. You know, that's that's talking about that a lot. Yeah, that's what Dave said the same thing. We asked him about that. This is back before he actually won, but obviously he's been great for a long time. He said, I've never I've never competed in the Grand National or the big contest with a call that I didn't hunt with the entire year before, at least. That's how broken in they have to be. So now you're saying the same thing pretty much. You go back to what you hunted with for your best call.

SPEAKER_09 27:21

Yeah, absolutely. Especially when I start practicing that year, I might not use that particular call, but and it seems like every year or two, I'm like, if I get a really good call that is a brand new one, I'm like, man, I'm gonna put this one in the fridge, I'm not touching it until next year. Well, March 15th or whenever I start in Florida, it's in my pouch until the next year.

SPEAKER_08 27:38

So that's just how worse than it's always blown me away that he can just run one and I mean hunt with it every day for months in the spring, and then it's well, then a little bit in the fall, yeah, yeah, and then he'll call he'll compete with it the next year at the Grand Nationals, and like you're still in good condition, it's still in good condition. Yeah, how he's getting the longevity out of him just blows my mind. That blows my mind too.

SPEAKER_03 28:03

Yeah, so tell us what you do because that's a oh man, I don't have any.

SPEAKER_09 28:08

They stay in a leather pouch that Terrence Williamson gave me probably six years ago. That's my my call, lanyard, and they just sit there, man. There's no rhyme or reason. No, I I just get lucky, I think. But do you wash them off at the end of the year? I never do. Never do. I mean, I do always try to make sure that they dry. I mean, I that is definitely and a lot of guys don't realize that, man. You know, you get some beginners, they leave them in like a ziploc bag or something, and they stay soaking wet the whole time. They just they're never gonna run for you. But as long as they dry out, man, they they should be fine.

SPEAKER_02 28:36

So that little plastic case that they a lot of times a lot of them come in, the little clear plastic case, it that you would not store one in that then.

SPEAKER_09 28:43

I mean, they'll dry out in there over time, but I don't think it's it's the best thing. Like after a day of hunting, I'll just honestly, even that that pouch that I have, I'll just open it up so the air gets in there to make sure that you know, just make sure that they dry. And then the next day just you know, throw them in, wet them up and get them ready before. So are you like in the darkness and uh before you leave the truck?

SPEAKER_02 29:02

Are you pulling your reeds apart and making sure? Sometimes, yeah. Sometimes I worry I'm gonna tear a reed.

SPEAKER_08 29:07

Yeah, that's where like I'm with you on that. Like that's why I will pick my calls when I'm my hunting calls.

SPEAKER_03 29:13

Man, it's so hard. I've tried and tried, I've tried. And then you get in a hurry and you get to hunting seats, and I don't pick them. So honestly, I've been pulling them apart and I've torn them, you know, it's so hard to find one you really, really like, and I've tear them up and stuff. So I've gotten to where I've like, unless I'm with somebody else, if I'm by myself, I just put them in and start yeping on them. And within just a minute. Let them loosen. If you use it the day before, it doesn't take but a minute to loosen it back up again. And then I hadn't.

SPEAKER_02 29:39

But something that's got like a cut in it, it it you could easily tear it if you're gonna be able to do it. Oh absolutely.

SPEAKER_09 29:44

Yeah, yeah, I've done it before.

SPEAKER_08 29:46

That's right. I do like to p pick my my hunting calls just so in the morning, I mean you just pop them in there and just get a little bit of spit in between them and boom, those toothpicks are out and it's freed up and ready to ready to roll. But like, but like you said, Toxie, I mean it's a pain in the butt. It is. It is, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 30:02

But that's the best way. They're just never gonna run for if you leave them, you know, soaking wet.

SPEAKER_03 30:06

Well, mainly if you just pick the top read, then that that'll make enough difference to get started. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 30:11

You ever gotten ready to go up on the stage to call and all of a sudden Oh can't find your call?

SPEAKER_09 30:18

Who was it? There was somebody maybe five or six years ago that was up there. A lot of guys you'll see will switch calls on a fly down. Right. I don't remember who it was, but Wade. Yeah, Wade Watson. He was he was going into his fly down, you know, he was doing all his tree cut talk and stuff, and then he went to switch to his fly down call and he dropped his call and it went right down in between the stage, like right down in, and it was you know, it was gone. That was right in the middle of his routine. So yeah, that was I don't remember how he recovered from it, but I remember seeing it, and it was it was wild.

SPEAKER_08 30:44

I've I've got a great one on the uh J.R. Lanham, one of our buddies, and he he's a caller for us at Rolling Thunder. He finished in the top five this year at the Grand Nationals, super, super turkey hunter caller. But uh years ago at the Grand Nationals, he always carries his calls in like old tobacco cans, you know. And he's got like three or four of them, and he got a million holes poked in the top to let the air get to him and stuff. And one school Copenhagen dip cans. The one year though, he's uh he he made the finals, and before the finals started, he couldn't find his number ones, his good good can. And he had backups and he used those and he didn't place and he felt like he probably would have had he had his better calls, but he said they're riding home, and hit his wife had one of their kids in a stroller and they're driving home. And he's like, Man, I can't believe I I lost that them dang calls. That just blows my mind. And he said, His kid said, Well, you silly goose, I had him in my stroller the whole time. And he's like, You gotta be kidding me. Oh my gosh. But I've I've been to contests where like 10 minutes before the the finals were about to start, and like, oh my god, where are they? And forget that they're in my shirt pocket. I mean, it's like a total anxiety, man. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 32:06

I can't imagine the pressure that you guys must have when you they call out your number and you gotta walk up there.

SPEAKER_09 32:13

It's uh I don't know, man. Sometimes you're nerved up, and other times for whatever reason you're just not. I like last year for some reason at the Grand Nationals. I felt like I was way more nerved up this year. I don't know. You you kind of got to just give yourself the man mentality of you know, the heck with it. You know, you gotta get up there and just lay it all out, and that's that's kind of what it is. So do your thing.

SPEAKER_10 32:32

I wouldn't be up here if I wasn't really, really good at this. You know, you just gotta go.

SPEAKER_08 32:37

I think I think preparation and confidence is plays a huge part. No doubt about the whole mental side of it.

SPEAKER_06 32:44

So are you like before those collin contests, you are you up in an hour a day or two hours a day, or you just give it a little 10-minute warm-up, get out there and throw it down?

SPEAKER_09 32:53

Man, it depends. I mean, most of my practices usually like right before the contest, but I always try to I I'm all I always have them in my truck and at least you know try to run them in my truck and stuff. And I should really practice a lot more than I than I do. But uh it's yeah, I mean, it's definitely if you could run them for an hour a day, you know, leading up to the contest, uh maybe a month before, two months before, that would, you know, that's ideal, obviously.

SPEAKER_06 33:16

How about you, Josh?

SPEAKER_08 33:19

I'm constantly like when I'm building, constantly running calls and usually got the TV going listening to a lot of hunts and YouTube and uh old contests and stuff, but as far as like but that's not it's like a different style of practice, and that's not like really like being in practice mode, that's just more making noise, but I guess building that muscle memory. But yeah, uh it's believe it or not, it's really hard to sit there.

SPEAKER_09 35:48

Like it's easy to just throw the call in, fumble around, do some yelping, some cutting, whatever. It's really hard to actually sit there and make yourself like go through an actual routine. Yeah, routine, you know what I mean. And that's probably the best way to do it, really, is to just sit there and like when I do do it, I'll just put my phone on voice record so that I kind of force myself to go through it. But it it's hard to force yourself to do that, really. At least it's hard for me. Yeah, it's it's weird.

SPEAKER_06 36:11

And your routines are they written down or they're just in your head? No, man. You just kind of go with it. Just kind of go with it.

SPEAKER_10 36:16

Yeah, think them up as you go over here. It is wild how they seem to just finish right when there's like one second left. Yeah. Just walk off the stage.

SPEAKER_08 36:25

Go ahead. That causes a lot of anxiety too, standing up there calling and looking at that clock and knowing like you're racing against that thing too. And I mean, it can mess up your rhythms and just it's yeah, it's uh it it'll it'll fumble you.

SPEAKER_09 36:39

There's a lot going on. Yeah, yeah. The clock makes it super difficult.

SPEAKER_10 36:43

So I I've never done that, but I mean I I get anxiety and nervous like right before I'm about to make that first call, or you know, earlier in the season when you get started. You hit that you hit. I mean, it just never seems to come out. Yeah, it's just like uh practicing at the range before you play golf. It's like, man, I'm doing great with this eight-iron, and then you actually go out on the regular course and just duff it every time.

SPEAKER_03 37:11

Start thinking, oh yeah, yep.

SPEAKER_02 37:13

So Hunter, are you are are you using the same mouth call to do all those calls in a routine or are you switching it out?

SPEAKER_09 37:19

I try to, yeah. I mean, some years I'll use one or two different ones, but I man, I try I usually luckily I'm for me, I'm lucky that uh the only call I blow pretty much is a batwing cut. And that's that's just what I've settled in with, man, ever since I was 10 years old. I've just loved a batwing. And uh I could usually do everything like this year. I think in the finals, I uh use one call for all the yelping and cutting and all that stuff, and then I think I switched one for a for a key key just to a different call. But it man, it's it's really nice and convenient when you could just use one. It's it's an advantage, really, in my opinion. There's no doubt about it. But yeah, what about you, Josh?

SPEAKER_08 37:55

What's that are you using just one call to do all to do all four or five different ones, uh, one for key keys, one for yelping, uh, one a little bit heavier for my cackles, uh, and then something a little bit lighter for the Klux and Purs.

SPEAKER_03 38:12

It's one of those, just like uh some of them in the old days, I don't know how many calls they had, but they would take quite a bit of time from the when they call their name up there, and they would just be like your wife's sitting the table for everybody to eat. They're out, they unfold this, they unfold this, they get this in its places and get it all organized. It takes a minute or two for some of them to get it all organized. So that you know, there's nowhere to just grab this, grab this, grab this.

SPEAKER_08 38:36

Yeah, it's it's it's pretty impressive. And uh, I don't know. Some of these guys that can make all the calls on one call, especially in like a scenario style competition, because that is a that's a big advantage.

SPEAKER_09 38:50

Yeah, it's huge in the scenarios because if you're you know trying to make the scenario flow and sound real and you're fumbling back and forth between calls and you're at risk of maybe making a read flip or something and just it's having dead time, like noticing, yeah. Very chaotic.

SPEAKER_02 39:04

So do you think being such a good caller? I mean, y'all are world-class, no doubt about it. Does you think that makes y'all a better hunter? You do you feel like it gives you more confidence when you sit down and I do 100%?

SPEAKER_09 39:15

Absolutely. I think I think it it's definitely a huge advantage.

SPEAKER_08 39:19

I've always thought personally that like being a competition caller, just having more a lot more time practic spent practicing and being able to control volume. I think the volume control is probably like one of the most important things in like finishing gobblers, you know, like being able to really tone it down and that soft stuff to really convince them and and get them into range.

SPEAKER_10 39:44

Like and and I think being a competition caller and spend that time practicing is yeah, I mean it just seems like more of a second nature to somebody who who does it all of the time. You know, it's it's you know, like a like a piano player, a guitar player, you know, they don't have to look down when they're playing. Yeah, exactly. Um and so it it just kind of comes to the city.

SPEAKER_03 40:04

You know, you can't always lay that table out and pick different calls when you're hunting. No. You know, so it was one of the things I just I've always felt it was kind of a blind spot, people that are not to be prejudiced by, but not as experienced at a mouth call or never got really good at it, or if they're just beginning and then they just put one in and kind of hammer down, hey, it sounds pretty good, and all of us like, how does that sound when you just barely make an audible sounds? You should put that should be the number one test of a mouth call. Yeah, you know how great it sounds if you're you know, because if a turkey's 250 yards, man, you can make all the great sounds in the world with the friction call too. Yeah. That the the difference is so so my and my point saying, a lot of people with heavier reads on a call too, it's not the same thing. So can you, you know, the judge, and I that's where I think one being broken in really makes a difference to me.

SPEAKER_08 40:56

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 40:57

So I was gonna ask you a question about the reed flip because I like typically like calls. Uh, one of the ones you made for me, I like that it will do it all, and the read flip is not as bad because the top read's heavier. But some of the calls I really like, especially making those nasally sounds, have the thinner top reed, and you get that reed flip on it so easy. Anything you can do about it at all? I mean, just be careful, be careful about putting too much air, too much air flips it over.

SPEAKER_09 41:27

Absolutely, air control's big. And for you know, for me blowing bat wings all the time, especially in competition. I mean, you know, you're not as worried about it in the woods, obviously. I mean, you want to prevent it. I mean, obviously, you're yelping at a turkey and you get that super high note, you know, it's it's obviously not good. But and then in a contest for me, I just always try to keep the that top, you know, like the the tongue part of the bat wing. Right. I try to keep it as wet as possible so it doesn't, you know. I think when it gets dry, uh, you know, it just kind of flips up and sticks when when that top reads dry like that. So if you keep it as wet as possible, and you know, you could kind of sometimes you could almost hear when it's about to do it, and then you gotta really tone.

SPEAKER_03 42:04

Well, if you've been running the same call for a while, it tends to lose a little bit too. If you're just sitting there with your mouth getting mushy. Yeah, I've getting where I try to be conscious of it. If okay, I'm taking a break, he's not gobbling. I mean, I I've called something, stick it back out, hold it in your teeth, and of course you'd not get careful over time you'll tear the back of it up, but keep it from being soaking all the time.

SPEAKER_08 42:23

And just and and another thing is watching uh your breathing, like breathe it, taking a bit a big deep breath in through your mouth will suck, will suck that top read right back. Yeah, that'll that'll do that too. So, I mean, like in a competition, like I'm constantly trying to focus on breathing through my nose and not taking that breath through my mouth to because that'll that'll flip them up easily.

SPEAKER_09 42:44

And the you know, the funny thing is like you said, some calls, like you know, some of the stuff I was running this year, I had no problems with it at all. Last year I had some calls that I was running before the Grand Nationals and hunting with that were that you know they're at risk of doing it any time. So if you get a set of calls that that run really well that you know don't do it, that's that's a huge, huge thing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 43:02

So you guys probably help a lot of uh you comfortable over there, Josh? Yeah, sure. So y'all I imagine y'all help a lot of people with then being in the business when I help somebody get started with a mouth call. What mistakes do you see people common mistakes you see people make that could be avoided? I mean, I think Well, while y'all are thinking, Lanny, I was telling my wife the other night that she just needs to embrace her mistakes. And she ended up hugging How'd that go for it? She ended up hugging me.

SPEAKER_06 43:35

Oh, there you go. That's a pretty good one right there. There you go. You might redeem yourself, but you got a little bit bad.

SPEAKER_08 43:42

No, that was that's a little bit borderline redemption. You're getting closer. You're getting closer.

SPEAKER_06 43:47

All right, Hunter.

SPEAKER_09 43:48

Well tell help help us. I mean, for me, I think something I see a lot of beginners getting, you know, you hear guys all the time, I just man, I can't blow a mouth call. I can't blow a mouth call. Well, a lot of people, you know, Josh and I, and you take the top five in the Grand Nationals. Every single guy up there has blown a completely different call with different reads and different cuts. Like I was saying before, um, you know, I I the only thing I blow is a bat wing. You give me a ghost cut or something, man, I can't make a noise on it. Dave Owens rips it up with a ghost cut. You know, so I think people kind of get tunnel vision, they try, you know, a split V and uh you know a combo cut, whatever. They try two or three calls, they think they just can't do it. I mean, really, I think you got to go out there and buy 10 or 12 different calls that are totally different. Uh, you know, one couple being two reads, uh, all of them being different cuts. And once you settle in on the the style that you like, whether it's a split V or you know, a batwing or whatever, kind of go from there and try a bunch of different uh you know reads and uh two reads, three reads, and and then you could kind of settle in on what you know works for you the best.

SPEAKER_08 44:47

Yeah, and being persistent. I mean, uh anybody who's good on a mouth call, st everybody starts at the same place, and they're not easy, like it's gonna take a lot of time and working with different airflows and like Hunter said at best, different calls, like trying different, you gotta find the right fit. Yeah, but but just knowing that it's gonna take time, like don't expect results overnight because I don't know anybody that's picked one up and been good at it.

SPEAKER_03 45:16

No, not at all. So tell me if you think this is valid or not. I was telling people to when they buy, do that, buy a couple for sure, and be sure you buy something with maybe just two reads too. Don't try four reads and stuff. But I mean just get a variety, but then instead of throwing them in and cow, cow, cow, cow, just see and practice for a while. It's like, can I make the slightest noise with them and I don't hear any air? So you're teaching yourself how to be sure to trap all the air so you're not wasting air, because some people are calling when they first put one in and try and you can hear more air getting by them than the sound of the call. So to me, if you if you practice on those little light sounds at first, you'll get so much better at everything when you master that. To me, that's just my thing. Yeah, because I just I see people that just blow, blow, blow. So and honestly, you can be out hunting and run into one and from a way off go, oh my gosh, that's you know, why is that guy using a mouth call? Dudley? Yeah. I wouldn't say that.

SPEAKER_10 46:21

Well, I am bad about using too much air, so you're right.

SPEAKER_03 46:25

Well, I mean, it just depends on how far they are. And that's if you can barely hear them, I who cares what you do.

SPEAKER_10 46:30

And we we've been hitting on this lately, but I uh I finally figured out this year to quit uh throwing away my one-year-old. Absolutely. Like, yeah. I picked some up from last year. Uh one of them in particular I I got from Spence. Uh and man, last year I I couldn't stand it. And this year I'm I'm able to really run that thing pretty easily. Yeah for me.

SPEAKER_08 46:53

It's it's crazy what what time does and time and saliva and just seasoning a mouth call. Like it's you don't want to throw them away.

SPEAKER_03 47:01

It'll grab the I've always said it's like I don't know what the physics of it is. It grabs the air better when it's been broken in. And you know, if I actually if I had one, I I'd lose it or, you know, or it blows up or whatever during the season, that's a big bummer. You know, you just got this one. And I mean, it in the grand scheme of things, it probably doesn't even make a difference, but it's something it's a confidence thing, too. No doubt about it. Yeah, and you like we're hunting with someone else. You want it's a it's a let's face it, it's an ego thing. It's like, man, I want him to hear I sound good, you know, or whatever. But I was gonna say, if I about to keep you don't like one at first, you gotta try to learn to know what's got potential. Yeah, because you can yeah, I can yep on one a lot of times. I just can't stand high sound. If someone, you know, he's gonna hand me calls or someone in here, hey, yep on it and see what you think. I I'm scared to death to do it. Because I know I just don't think it's gonna sound good. But you can my but to their point, I mean I've got I've got like three gallon ziplocks of old calls. Now I need to go through there this year and throw away a bunch of them that have deteriorated too much, but it's amazing how you can go back through those, and one really does sound good that you didn't like at first.

SPEAKER_08 48:12

I was just I was just doing a little house cleaning in my shop the other day on my workbench. Like, I've got all these calls, and some of them have question marks on them or smiley faces or a star. And I'm like, okay, there's a reason that these things are marked. And I I was going through and I was I was loosening the reads, and I'm like, ooh, yeah, this one I can hunt with this one. Yep. And then this one here, it's done, but needs pitching. Yeah, but definitely save them and come back to them over time.

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I'm looking at OneX the whole time. I look, I love that, but I love the desktop too.

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SPEAKER_02 50:37

Mac, you got a question?

SPEAKER_11 50:38

Yeah, I've I've actually got two, but I mean, I haven't been doing this near as long as a lot of people in this room, but one thing with like yelping at a turkey, I I've noticed that the precision of the note to me is what makes somebody sound better than the next person as far as like the start and stop of the notes. Is is there any tips that y'all have on you know the crispness of the yelp or the cut and not running it all together?

SPEAKER_09 51:09

I man, that's kind of a hard one. I mean it's it's easy to, you know, it's easy to and I always like when I'm trying to help somebody or doing tutorials, I always say, like, you know, you want to blow with as much clean air as possible. And in my mind, I you know, what does that really mean? It it just means to me you're you basically what you're saying, you're you're stopping and starting, even just in a yelp, and that's it goes back to the old the you know, the the wheel sound, the yang and getting into it. It's just when you learn to control it really well, is when you can get those those sounds and that clean air and just practicing slow and slowly going into to to making you know faster noises and stuff is that's kind of breaking it up into steps, like getting that clear note and then getting it to break into the rasp.

SPEAKER_08 51:55

No, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_09 51:57

I mean it's a hard one to explain in a sense, but if you could practice, you know, I always try to tell people just practice slow notes that almost don't even really sound like a turkey, and then go into your stuff that's a lot faster. And you know, that's kind of the only way you can master that, yeah, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_08 52:12

Making making sounds on a mouth call, like just building a solid bass to get into the yellow stuff.

SPEAKER_10 52:19

Uh people that sing, they they do things when they're warming up, uh, you know, unique New York, you know, or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 52:26

That was around Burgundy.

SPEAKER_11 52:29

And then one other thing, so I mean, there's you know, yelping, cutting, fighting purrs, I mean, all kinds of different like female turkey noises. What do you think is the most underrated sound that somebody should have in their arsenal when yelping at a turkey? Great question, Matt.

SPEAKER_09 52:51

Man, I mean, for me, that's a tough one. I always do try to throw, especially if a turkey hangs up is just taking his time. I always try to throw in some Jake Yelps. Like I'll, you know, I'll turn him back behind me and just throw a couple of Jake Yelps out there. Whether that helps or hurts, I mean, it's hard to say. I mean, I think it I think it definitely works in some scenarios. Some scenarios it might hurt you. I mean, it it's tough to say, but man, for me, uh I just feel like really good, soft calling is so deadly in the woods, it's not even funny, man. If you could master just lit and just stuff that hens do when they're just feeding around and and really, unless you're right next to them, you'd never be able to hear them. Never could just when when you could do that stuff, because they're constantly doing that when they're feeding around, and almost in my mind, like it makes that gobbler think to himself, like you know, she's just feeding around up there and doesn't really, she's not really paying attention to me. So I might as well keep going a little bit closer and try to get her to pay attention to me. But man, soft stuff, my opinion, is just it's it's killer. If you could get it to really sound natural, that's that kills them for sure. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 53:48

One little observation I made, but is and I had been doing this some, but just because I'd heard it before. But like if there's a they call it a flock of hens, but there's more than one. There's several hens around, and they're just not making, you know, they're not broadcasting out to the world, but they're making those, you got to be really close to hear all those little cool soft sounds we're talking about. There's something like I just think it's so cool. I don't know if it helps a lot or not, but it's just like there'll be a little purr, a little nasally stuff, and then a yelp, it'll just be a yelp, like that's it. Yep, yeah. You know, they only do that when there's other hens around. They never do that, I've seen them, on their own. It's just when they're all in a big group of girls type of thing. And I just think that, and I noticed when I was one of the few people that are hunted with it, that I noticed Dave did that too, like extremely well, too. I mean, good gosh, it was so turkey. But I just got to thinking it's like they only do that when there's other hens around, so it may I've always been so conscious of pulling out a second call or maybe a third that sound different so I can make the impression there's more than one hen there. I just you know power in numbers thing, and I figure it's more attractive. But that single yelp or it's like you know, a little cluck and then the next time and that's it. You know, not a big long go, go, go, go, go, go. I think it's attractive. I think it kind of makes sense. That single yelp thing is I think it's a something to add to your arsenal. Just listen sometimes when you if you get lucky enough, we don't usually spend that much time where we get lucky enough to be right up in the middle of a bunch of them for very long. Watch how they do that.

SPEAKER_07 55:19

Yeah. That's a great that's great.

SPEAKER_10 55:22

What about like an unconventional non-Turkey-ish noise? Uh so you're you're trolling around, uh, you know, you you're trying to strike one up. Um do it, you know, a lot of people will just cut two or three times or whatever. Do y'all have like a either of you have a trick you do that's not really an exact turkey sound that may trigger them to gobble?

SPEAKER_09 55:47

Jerry Jr comes back to mind. Yeah. It's man, I can think of two people, J.R. Lanham and my dad. But you know, JR in those hills of Missouri, he'll just throw in a mouth call and he makes this whistle noise that almost sounds like a horse.

SPEAKER_08 56:04

I I think it sounds like an ambulance or something going down the road. It's it's it's crazy.

SPEAKER_03 56:10

I mean, if you can't decide that it's between an ambulance or a horse, it's the crazy unique. I want to hear that.

SPEAKER_09 56:15

It is so loud.

SPEAKER_08 56:16

If you're next to it, you literally like got to turn your head. I mean, it's unbelievable. Here we go again. But it it is so unnatural. Oh, yeah. And and we're hunting in the hills of the Ozarks. I mean, it's you know, all big hardwoods, it's beautiful. And the sound carries, and it's like a wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee, wee. It's and you can hear it literally so long, and he's like, Yeah, laugh at me if you want, but and they do gobble.

SPEAKER_03 56:41

Oh my god, it's I still don't think you can beat a distant gunshot. There's something about it. Oh, yeah, they have a lot of things. Yeah, it's like the the the suddenness of it, I guess.

SPEAKER_08 56:50

The suddenness and yeah.

SPEAKER_02 56:53

Look, we've been with Toxie before, and he'll start with a mouth call and then join in with a box call. Do y'all do y'all do stuff like that?

SPEAKER_09 57:00

Uh sometimes, yeah. I mean, one thing we were talking about last night, too. It was funny just sitting around up north, these little scratch boxes are a big deal, especially where I'm from. And uh, there's a lot of guys that use them. My dad loves using them, man. And they, if you can really master them, they sound awesome. Now, my dad, I don't want to say he doesn't have it mastered, but it might not be the most realistic sound out there, but man, he'll get out there, it's pretty good. He gets out there and just scratched on that thing a couple times and just sounds like a hen cutting it, man. It really does. There's just something about it's got that little different frequency, and it seems to you know, strike a few.

SPEAKER_10 57:33

You know, some of those just crazy hail calls when you're duck hunting, it doesn't sound like a duck. Exactly. But it works.

SPEAKER_11 57:40

Yep, yep. How much how much are y'all casting your yelping and cutting at turkeys like in different directions while you're hunting? I mean, are you I mean yelping at them or trying to turn your head or muffle it? Like how how are you is that something you're doing every time?

SPEAKER_08 57:58

Oops, I'm sorry. Depending on the situation, I mean trying to like force one to come a different direction. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't say every time. I mean it's kind of situational.

SPEAKER_09 58:11

I think it almost depends on the terrain and even you know the amount of cover. If it's wide open woods, I always try to sound like it's behind me because you know you want them to be you know trying to almost come past you at that point. But yeah, that's that's super situational, in my opinion, anyway. Oh, yeah. Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_02 58:26

Before I lose this thought, though. Are you okay, Josh? Yep, you're jumping around over there.

SPEAKER_03 58:33

Sorry, man. You he's thinking about this thing about that. He's got this, yeah, this neon signs thing, fried chicken, fried chicken, chicken.

SPEAKER_02 58:42

So would you would you recommend a guy if he buys a mouth call, let's just say it's one of yours, but he puts it in his mouth and it's it feels a little big. Can you take out some scissors and trim that down yourself?

SPEAKER_08 58:53

Yeah, yeah, I would recommend like starting very small, like when you're cutting off just I mean, a little bit at a time, because once you go too far, you're it's gone. And you're gonna have to have it retaped. But I mean, to the regular customer who's gonna who's gonna get mouth call tape. But yeah, I I would recommend like a sixteenth of an inch at a time, you know, something very small to get it to where it would fit properly. And while we're on it, like we talk about, you know, when you're for beginners trying different styles of calls and stuff. I I think it's important too for some people to to try some youth frame sized mouth calls because some people I don't think they even know like that their palette isn't the right size for you know the call that they're putting in their mouth.

SPEAKER_09 59:39

You know, it's funny for me too that you bring that up. When I remember when I was a kid, you know, the first couple calls you made for me, I always had to trim because they had that bigger tape on there. But I remember as a kid and I never do it anymore. I used to always bend the frames a little bit. I still bend the frames, yeah, just to fit fit my mouth. And I think some people probably look past that too. But yeah, I remember I'd always always I never had it perfect until I could bend that frame.

SPEAKER_06 59:59

That loosens the reeds up a little bit. That's what I was like.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:02

Yeah, exactly. It'd be mine. Yep. But you gotta be careful because you can fold them like the outside down, inside up, just a tiny bit. Just a little bit. And it might fit the shape of your mouth a little bit more. But to his point, like if you trim a little, yep, on it, be listening or you lose an air. You'll hear the hissing or whatever. And then, you know, to the degree you don't, but be careful because once you cut too much. I will say, I mean, I learned to call on stuff that was just a frame too, yeah. A lot. Because back in the long time ago, the a lot of the callers would use a big frame with no tape. And probably was no reason that it was just probably something to they felt like they had a higher degree of difficulty or whatever.

SPEAKER_08 1:00:43

Kudos to those guys because big lead frames that they were.

SPEAKER_03 1:00:48

Oh, yeah. This is actually, I'm thinking aluminum. I did I was back in the day when there was nothing but lead ones, too. And you know, that that whole story. And Ben Lee put them on the market after that. But but these were great big aluminum frames, but they were they weren't quite as big as the whole area of tape on them today, but they were much bigger than the frames, you know. But people were using them in contests like all the time with no tape on them. There's still a few guys that use Yeah, but I'm just saying for me, it feels like I get a better sounding call. I don't have quite as much control, but it's like if it goes up in my roof of my mouth a little bit more. And I don't know why that might be, but it seems like I get a better sound out of them. But then if I'm not careful, then I can't control it as good either. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:01:32

There's still a few guys in the Grand Nationals that call on the small frames with no tape on them.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:36

For a couple of years I don't call the callmaker's name, but I was using the youth frame from somebody because I was frustrated. I'd I've had calls for years I'd and I couldn't find them anymore anywhere. And so I was taking the youth with a three-weed and taking nobody had done it at the time, and I was trying to find where the like the the center be cut, you know. And um cut the wings off the side as because it was just too much. And then I was looking for one where the the the reed did not stick out past. The top reed didn't stick out past, it was exactly flush or even a microscopic recessed end so that it was real clear and you know, almost a little high pitched, but then as you got more air it would break, because I'm not as experienced as I'll say that as contest calling quality, obviously, as these guys are, but it it really worked great for a while. And then in the last like 10, that's been more than that 10 years ago. Man, the quality of the calls that all these callmakers do them especially, but yeah, it's crazy. You can find whatever you want uh on the market today.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:44

Yeah, there's there's something for somebody out there for sure. Yeah, another one, Matt.

SPEAKER_11 1:02:48

Yeah, so this is uh a little uh political cons controversial, but I want to know the ranking of hardest to easiest between Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Mississippi as far as turkeys.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:06

I've always thought these southern turkeys are easy.

SPEAKER_09 1:03:15

I've hunted Mississippi just a handful of times. I've I hunt Alabama and Georgia every year, and it seems like that little belt, like Alabama, you know, Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, like man, they could be hard-headed. There's no doubt about it. I mean, some days you go out there and just wear them out, and then the next day you go to the same place where there's 10 turkeys gobbling, you don't hear one. And it seems like for whatever reason, up north, that doesn't seem to happen as much. I don't know if it's just because we have harsher winters and they're maybe more excited about it being springtime and they just they gobble more in harsh weather. But man, I mean, for me anyway, hunting down here, it seems like it could be really tough unless you got a nice pretty day for sure. But that's just I agree.

SPEAKER_08 1:03:52

Like down here is toughest. I would say, I mean, out of the three, Pennsylvania's easiest. Just because of where we hunt, the population is phenomenal. And at home in Ohio, like we don't have a great population of turkeys, and it's pretty tough. Sounds like we need to go to Pennsylvania. It does. Is that an invitation?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:11

Yeah.

SPEAKER_08 1:04:12

Hey, Rob, cut this. Cut off. He's a Wallace.

SPEAKER_02 1:04:16

Yeah, exactly. So, Hunter, do you hunt much public ground?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:20

Um, I do a little bit. I I started the last couple years hunting some public stuff in Kentucky and uh really enjoyed it. Uh I mean, if I don't have to, I'm not I'm not like hardcore only gonna hunt public, but I'll hunt whatever I have available to hunt for me. You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 1:04:34

So do you change your tactics when you or do you are you are are you really thinking about safety more when you're on public ground and you hear somebody else calling and you're going to the same bird?

SPEAKER_09 1:04:46

I mean, I don't know if I'm thinking about safety quite as obviously when you hear somebody else there, it's a little bit, you know, it raises an eyebrow and you're a little bit more nervous about the whole situation. You want somebody to know that you're you're there. But uh Yeah, with you guys too.

SPEAKER_03 1:05:00

You got yeah, you better be careful because I mean you have to make a conscious effort to make it sound like it's not a hen. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:05:08

I think honestly, kind of subconsciously, you always think that public ground turkeys are gonna be harder when it's I mean, you know, it's harder in the sense of finding them. Everybody can hunt them, but you know, in my opinion, a turkey's a turkey, man. You can find one on public that's just burning. He doesn't know he lives on public ground, in my opinion. You know, I mean he there's there's no way that that he could process that. But I think going into it, I'm always, you know, kind of thinking, you know, it might be a little bit tougher. I'm always trying to make sure that my calling sounds really good. And I think for whatever reason, I don't call as much on public ground. Just no doubt. Just it's it's it's kind of set in my head that these turkeys are gonna be a little bit tougher. I don't want to overcall to them. They hear a lot of calls. Um, yeah, I mean, I I enjoy hunting public. It's just because it's a whole different, it is a different feel. There's there's no doubt about it. So Uncle Sam bird. I like Uncle's birds.

SPEAKER_02 1:05:57

Well, I was gonna ask, I I was thinking that you you might that you guys being so good with these calls, if y'all encountered another hunter, you might pour the cold of the turkey and really start calling to him, trying to get him excited or get him away from somebody else. Uh I guess kind of assumed that's what you might do.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:15

I mean, try not to, I mean, I guess it depends on the situation again. You know, if you're if you're kind of if you're kind of on them and and you were there first and and set up on that turkey's within 150 yards of you and somebody comes in behind you, you know, maybe, but you know, I I try to at least steer away from other folks. A lot of the stuff I hunt at home, man, it's not public ground, but it might as well be. I mean, everybody's got permission at you know, the same spots and stuff, and that's just kind of how it is around me. So, you know, it's you know, when you go when you walk into a piece of public ground for me anyway, it's it's just uh it is a a little bit different mentality for sure. Yeah, and priority number one is not to get shot. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:51

I've never had a stranger situation.

SPEAKER_09 1:06:54

Uh not that I could recall. Um for some reason something's coming to mind with somebody shooting close to us one time, and I can't remember where it was.

SPEAKER_06 1:07:03

Man, down here you better put your earplugs in.

SPEAKER_08 1:07:07

Maybe I'm thinking.

SPEAKER_03 1:07:10

I can't remember who it was. It was a long time ago again. But they were talking about their strategy on public or places like a hunting club too that got turkeys have been hunted hard a lot already. And that was just the beginning, that was the just the beginning era of like cutting at a turkey. Literally. I mean, I can remember the first times I would and I I forgot where I even heard it, maybe it was at a contest or somebody, I can't remember, but then you know, it was really deadly. But then people go, Oh my gosh, I never heard of that before. And that's crazy how we've progressed today. But the theory is like someone said, so when you go hunt on public land or you've hunted turkeys been called to a lot, pretend like you've only got so many yelps, it's very limited. So you're just use them as sparingly as possible. Like if you're not careful, if you try to call too much too soon, you're gonna run out of yelps for the day. And that's like, think about it in that terms, don't make a sound unless you think you have to. That was their strategy. So I don't know if it's good or not, but it was definitely they felt like they would actually kill more turkeys doing that.

SPEAKER_11 1:08:13

I don't think they let you know they're coming as much on public, at least around here. I think they come in silent a lot, a lot more often than they come in gobbling.

SPEAKER_06 1:08:23

Yeah, I know they do.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:25

Yeah, yeah, yeah. I I I could say just thinking about last year, I had a couple experiences on some public ground where uh, you know, I'd be working one turkey and then all of a sudden twice it happened, just right to our left, and just you know, he just came in from nowhere, absolutely nowhere.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:39

So yeah, that was your yeah, that's a good that's an exciting moment when that happens.

SPEAKER_09 1:08:45

That's as exciting as it gets, no doubt.

SPEAKER_02 1:08:48

Well, what Hunter, what should we be asking? What are you what is what are you what didn't in your what are you an expert at that we need to learn from? Oh, gee. I mean I think we've learned everything Josh knows.

SPEAKER_08 1:08:59

I don't I don't eat bunch of snow over here. Yeah.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:03

I don't I don't know if I'm an expert at anything. I I just man, I I think uh I've been lucky to to meet a bunch of really good guys and have some guys help me out with calling and hunting with a lot of excellent hunters, and uh I've just been been lucky to learn from some some really good folks. So if anything, it's it's everybody else's influence on me that's helped me out for sure. Awesome. Yeah, it is.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:26

You got any questions for us? I mean, coming down here, you'll probably change. I don't know.

SPEAKER_09 1:09:29

We were asking the whole time we were thinking about what we were gonna talk about, and I guess that's something we should have thought about more questions for you guys.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:36

Well, you know, a lot of times people have questions for Toxic. Well, Bobby, you can give them some pointers.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:40

I'll let anybody ask any question they want. I may not answer it, but they've certainly welcome to ask anything they want.

SPEAKER_02 1:09:45

Yeah, Mac, you got anything else? You're over there on Onyx again, aren't you?

SPEAKER_11 1:09:49

I mean it's that time of year. Tomorrow is the opener of you season. The Utes.

SPEAKER_03 1:09:53

It's the Utes. Yeah. I've got okay, I've got one for him. So we talked about it real early on, and someone in the rapid fire was like, old hen or young hen. So it made me think about the first time I'd heard it from anybody, and this guy probably departed as much knowledge to listen to him as anybody, Harold Knight. And he said, you know, you need something with a real keen, clean yelp, higher pitched for this time of year. And so what do you mean? He said, Well, a lot of times the last hens led that left that hadn't been bred that still might could be bred are just young hens. Just like he said, a lot like you know, that that secondary rut, you know, it's just some yearland deers. And so he made that point. And of course, you know, he's probably got as much experience as anybody walking still today. And I thought about that, and so I've actually tried to do that, and it's almost like the same call I would pick out to go hunt Rios, it's higher pitched or whatever. I don't know if it worked or not. I mean, certainly has sometimes and I'll But my point in asking that is just departing that to the public is like for later in the season it might really get one excited, it wouldn't. But the second thing is demonstrate if y'all brought something the difference in your opinion, the sound of an old hen versus that's another thing to say you're doing that, but how do you do it, you know? And that might I seem reaching for cause. I always want him to kind of go, this is what I think an older hen sounds like, and then a younger hen. So I'm just gonna go out on him and say, you know, an older hen is like what most hens sound like we're all trying to get, and that the difference is trying to something you could clearly make the impression to, yeah, I'm just a yearling hen. Yeah, you know, I hadn't been bred yet. I'm looking for a guy, you know. Go ahead. Tell me, if can you demonstrate what you think is the difference in the sound between an older hen and a younger hen?

SPEAKER_08 1:11:38

Verbally or with a cough? Both. Yeah, with a cough.

SPEAKER_03 1:11:41

Like yeah, and talk us through, you know, what you want. You know, I'm thinking maybe just you know, find someone with just two reads, you know, or something that's in there's something stretched tight or that's higher pitched, but you know.

SPEAKER_08 1:11:52

I mean, me personally, it's it's gonna it's gonna change with airflow and and air pressure. Right. But like that older hen, I think that's a that deeper, like that yelp is coming from her guts, that hop, to where that younger hen has that more higher pitched like it's it's got more of a scratchy squeak to it. Right. If that makes sense. Yeah. Um but I feel like I can, you know, manipulate that all in one call. Like an older hen. That's not so good. No, it's not. A lot more clear to it.

SPEAKER_02 1:12:59

Man, there you go. It's here for yes, sir. Yeah, we've got it here, you know. That's it right there.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:05

I mean, I'd have to agree with Josh, man. I just I think uh when you think about, you know, when you think of a younger hen, your mind, it's just gotta be a little bit more high pitched, maybe not quite as much rasp. So an older hen for me is gonna have that rasp into it.

SPEAKER_03 1:13:17

But I just think it's something worth noting for people to try and be having in their mind for especially on up in the season. I'm not sure what difference it makes at the beginning, other than you can sound like there's for sure a couple of hens there. But I don't know. He just made the comment, you know, late in the season, that's probably the last thing left is a young hen. That's a real keen sound. I was like, hmm.

SPEAKER_09 1:13:38

Yeah, I learned something. So for me, like a younger hen, I guess would like I said, I'd just if I was trying to actually be a younger hen, I think I'd go for less rash, so it'd be something like older hen. I'll just bring in a little bit more of that throaty like and say it.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:16

I didn't I didn't really want to know anything about young and all hands, but I wanted to make them yep. I want to clap again. That was incredible.

SPEAKER_02 1:14:23

Well, I think before we close out, I I'd love to hear, like, Hunter, I'd love to hear what you think is your best call.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:29

Well, can we get them to do just a short because the chicken's hot and ready to go? I want to hear them. The coolest thing I've ever heard in calling contest was the two-man team competition. We started that. Oh, yeah, I sure did. Laney helped when we were running. Back in the day. We were the first ones to do that for people. And I think it's so cool. Y'all do that for us real quick. Just take a swing at like a short two-man team. Hunter, let's push your mic back just a little bit. Push it back a little bit. Right there. Welcome.

SPEAKER_09 1:14:55

But it weren't sound fairly.

SPEAKER_03 1:14:56

Man, it was incredible on the yep, though. You could hear every little tone part of it. Sure could.

SPEAKER_11 1:15:01

And I just want y'all to do the pause for a little bit.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:03

That definitely the hair on my neck stood up. Yeah, especially with that cut in there.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:08

Then some of your soft stuff afterwards, too.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:10

Don't coach them. What are you doing? What are you talking about? Tom Myson. Just save. He said, give me a little bit. That's just what he's right there. That's what I'm talking about. Dude. Caller number two and three. When you're ready, give us your two-man competition.

SPEAKER_09 1:15:29

We just want to do some soft stuff and then bleed into a little bit louder stuff. Yeah, I'll just start on the line.

SPEAKER_03 1:15:35

So good.

SPEAKER_04 1:17:03

That was so good.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:04

Unbelievable.

SPEAKER_02 1:17:06

So good. Deadly. Hunter, I'm impressed.

SPEAKER_06 1:17:12

Yeah, and you can see Hunter calling from his core. Nothing. I know Josh is calling from his core.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:17

He just came in third in the grand uh fourth, whatever you did just did, it's gonna be lights out. Yeah. And Josh, you still got it.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:24

Thanks for baby. Trying.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:28

Wow, Bobby. That's incredible.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:31

I feel like my calling's right up there on the level of your jokes. They're good.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:39

It's a lot better than that. So that's what I've always that was my favorite thing to listen to in the contest because, you know, it it wasn't like a musical thing, like, am I listening for a tiny mistake thing? It was just amazing.

SPEAKER_08 1:17:55

Letting them let it fly.

SPEAKER_03 1:17:56

Yeah, and then but when there's two guys and they're switching tone, you can sound like four or five hens doing all that too. It's just incredible. Thank you for doing that. That was very enjoyable for me, I can promise you.

SPEAKER_06 1:18:08

It's good stuff.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:09

Well, guys, I think uh it's about lunchtime. I know we've all enjoyed this. Hunters be it's great to meet you. We wish you a lot of luck in your career.

SPEAKER_09 1:18:19

I appreciate you guys having me. This is a good idea.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:20

Don't be astractor, we'll get you back down here. I'd love to, man. Josh is uh we about worn his welcome out down here.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:25

So I still got my hair standing up on the back of my neck from that.

SPEAKER_02 1:18:29

Josh, we're glad the state of uh Ohio took your ankle bracelet off and allowed you to travel down here. Oh my God.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:36

Give me a break, man. You know, being from Ohio and a football fan, like we deserve the buckeyes because on Sundays we have to watch the Browns at home. So, like, cut me some slack.

SPEAKER_03 1:18:51

We don't have any we yeah, because we got the Saints and the Falcons, I guess, and then the Titans.

SPEAKER_08 1:18:57

You know, we don't really have one, but we I guess you're lucky um not having one because like if you got something like the Browns, it's it's terrible.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:06

Yeah, the college stuff down here is life and death. Yeah, state O Miss, Alabama Auburn. It's brutal. Yeah. It is.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:12

Well, I I tell you what, I've I've certainly enjoyed meeting you. Josh, we always love when you come down here. It's really amazing what you guys can do with mouth gospel. Incredible. If you're listening, they just threw them in. I mean, they licked them a time or two and then went straight to it. Mac, it gives us some hope.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:29

Yeah, go back. We've laid it down to listen to now. If you want to listen to something to try to mimic.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:36

What did I say? Uh you didn't say that. That's okay. That's okay, Bob.

SPEAKER_03 1:19:41

It was definitely a little slap, Bobby. That's okay. He'll get over it. Okay. You'll hear it in post. Probably cut it.

SPEAKER_11 1:19:48

You probably cut it in post. Go for it.

SPEAKER_02 1:19:53

All right. You know, I'll make this, Hunter, I make this look a lot easier than it really is.

SPEAKER_09 1:19:59

I thought you'd I thought you've carried the podcast. There you go. Yeah, thank you, Hunter. The old maestro.

SPEAKER_03 1:20:04

MC MC Beast. Cat won't fit in on this. Here we go.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:09

All right. Well, let's uh let's go make sure these guys get to go. Let's go. John, thank you, Mike, everybody. This has been a lot of fun. Yeah, Rob's over there taking pictures. Good seeing all you guys.

SPEAKER_09 1:20:20

Yeah. Thanks for having us, man.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:21

Why don't you say good. Wait a minute. Hunter, do you watch our television show? Um, the Gamekeeper show? Yeah. I've seen it. I've seen it in a time or two for sure. All right.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:30

Somebody watched that thing.

SPEAKER_02 1:20:31

Sportsman's channel right now, Sunday nights, guys. Y'all can watch that Gamekeeper Television show. Thank you for listening to our podcast. We have a lot of fun.

SPEAKER_06 1:20:37

Don't forget to sign up for the avid boat. It's time to do that because it's a good idea. It's time to do that. That's right. It's going to end at the end of the month. So get them in there. All right, guys. Why don't you say goodbye, Dudley? Goodbye, Dudley. Get us out of here, Tatum.

SPEAKER_05 1:20:50

Thanks for tuning in to this week's episode of the Game Keeper Podcast. And be sure to tune in again. Subscribe to Game Keeper Farming for Wildlife magazine, and don't miss the Mafio Properties Fistful of Dirt podcast with my good buddy, Ronnie Cutri.