EP:427 | Cane Yelpers Explained

On this episode we are joined by Chad Anchors who makes a wingbone style cane yelper out of readily available bamboo that he explains and demonstrates. We’re all looking for a call that can give us an edge, a unique sound, and these cane yelpers seem to have just that. It’s an interesting discussion about how these calls came to be, how they work and how to run one. 

Listen, Learn and Enjoy. 

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:00

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SPEAKER_04 0:26

We're live. Three, two, one. All right, Richie. Thank you. Good to have Richie back in the house. No skiing. No way. Yeah. Where in Memphis? No, up in Montana.

SPEAKER_07 0:40

You know, Richie's really a westie.

SPEAKER_04 0:41

He kind of is, yeah. So let me tell y'all the story, Dudley. Pay attention to this. You'll really enjoy this. Yes, sir. And look, I'm gonna get our guest. Let me just go ahead and introduce him because we can jump into this conversation. We had we, you know, we people talk about trumpets all the time. This guy on the couch, Chad Anchors, makes them out of wood. He makes them out of bamboo and river cane. They sound really good. It's cool.

SPEAKER_02 1:04

I mean, it's just super cool. I have to admit, I have I I thought that I could hear someone running one, and it sounded very turkey. And so I was like, yeah, I see it. It's surprising. That's why I'm saying this. And then so I figured, well, this guy can that's not bad at all, you know. And I walk in and it's Lanny. I could not believe it. It's our surprise. As Mr. Jim Clare would have said, he's just a novice.

SPEAKER_05 1:30

You know, Lanny learned on a ballpoint pen.

SPEAKER_04 1:33

Oh, actually a McDonald's straw. A McDonald's straw. He's uh he's been sucking a long time. I appreciate it, Bobby. He's sucking right along with me, Bobby.

SPEAKER_05 1:43

I mean, Bobby's probably gonna be the first person in the room to use a cane. Market time.

SPEAKER_04 1:51

Mark the time co rich. Okay. So thank you for being over here. Hey, thank y'all for having me. You're from Helena, Alabama. Helena, Alabama, that's it. I call it Helena. Helena. Yeah. So um is that Spanish? C. Yeah. I have no idea what it is. That's not far. A lot of Birmingham's got a lot of people.

SPEAKER_02 2:09

Oh, he's closing in on you, but where do you hunt there? If you've got a leash, something we've already talked to him about it at lunch.

SPEAKER_07 2:16

You missed it. Yeah, you missed it.

SPEAKER_04 2:18

Yeah, he's got the fanciest vehicle that's ever pulled up in the parking lot.

SPEAKER_07 2:21

I'm gonna tell you what. That's a good one. Is that a Lexus? That's a Lexus. I love I didn't even know they made it. I'm scared to get it dirty. Yeah, that's a good looking ride. I appreciate that. Still not as cool as this turkey call he's making though.

SPEAKER_04 2:32

Oh, we're gonna find out about that. But let me tell you about something that happened to Richie while he was gone on vacation. Okay. I've so he's he's had a turkey goblin. Oh, you know, that they didn't kill that they didn't get killed. So he's he's in Montana and he wakes up and he thinks about when daybreak is here. So he takes his he's got a camera that can go live and he turns it on where he can hear. So he's pretty slick. Richie, tell us what happened after that.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Well, yeah, so yeah, opening on you know, kids and vacations and spring breaks, you know, took one for the team and you're a warrior. Uh miss opening morning. Uh so I thought, well, you know, let me see if I can just listen and see what's got any sort of action going on. Yeah. And so yeah, uh, pretty good daylight there, about seven o'clock, I guess, you know, uh here in Mississippi time. Uh hearing an owl call.

SPEAKER_07 3:17

I'm like, man, not an owl, but an owl call.

SPEAKER_01 3:19

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You could tell the whistle. Oh, toot to toot. Yes. Yeah, and I was like, hmm, that's interesting. So yeah, he hit that for a few minutes, and then uh uh gobble goes off, and then a few more minutes later there I can hear a gunshot go off.

SPEAKER_07 3:33

Oh no.

SPEAKER_04 3:36

Where was this? That would only happen to you. Deep in the woods. How long did you have to listen to hearing?

SPEAKER_01 3:41

I listened for about fifty, you know, 15, 20 minutes. I just wanted to turn it off after that.

SPEAKER_07 3:45

And how far was the camera from the property line?

SPEAKER_01 3:48

You know, it's uh, you know, it's a I don't know, 300 acres. I mean, so you think it could be your cousins, or you think uh no, not cousins, but uh yeah. But kind of cousins? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 4:01

Whoever it is, you know who you were. And now you would rather have the FBI on you than Richie.

SPEAKER_05 4:09

My great-great uncle used to have this place.

SPEAKER_04 4:13

I just I was thinking about him showing. I thought you were out of town. That's what I used to think about. Listening. That would have been torture to hear that. Yeah, no, that would have been torture. And when you figured out this is somebody, not a Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 4:24

So uh But I think there's hope in the story. There's hope, yeah. There were there's still some birds gobbling afterwards. So yeah, maybe you missed. Maybe they missed. Maybe they missed, or uh so, or maybe they left one for me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 4:37

That'd been a very generous thing for them to do that. Maybe it was just Bobby doing that.

SPEAKER_01 4:41

Yeah, he was asking for my pens before I left.

SPEAKER_07 4:44

He does have a he has one of those little little owl whistles.

SPEAKER_01 4:49

All right. How did that make you feel, Rich? Uh you know, it's kind of a feeling that you uh can't really describe, you know, a pit in your stomach, and yeah, you're just there's nothing you could do. Did you go scream at your wife and say, I told you I should have stayed home? Well, I didn't scream, but we had uh we did have a wow man that hurts.

SPEAKER_02 5:08

That's sad. Yeah, it's like when you're hunting, like in the club, and your buddies, you know, you're you're on this side of the creek, and maybe you're not you're hunting the same bird or not, but in you know, your best buddy you probably compete with most of them. Right boom. You get a little pit in your stomach with the worst is being on close to the property line and Turkey's goblin moving away from you a little bit and you're not sure where he is, and boom, you know, either a poacher or the neighbor gets them. It's pretty much.

SPEAKER_05 5:35

And I'll make it joke. I'll mention this, you know, you you see it on social media some these days. Folks joke about that kind of stuff. Yeah. You know, the fence hopping and sure, da-da-da. And uh, you know, grown adults probably shouldn't be joking about that kind of stuff because a lot of a lot of people take it serious. And uh you're right. Uh you know, when you joke about things like that, sometimes people kind of take that as advice and and do that kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_07 6:04

That's right. The only person I would ever trespass on is Bobby, that's for sure.

SPEAKER_04 6:07

But that you know that you know how that makes me feel the same way. Oh my goodness. Well, Richie, I'm sorry that happened to you. Hang in there, Rich. Yeah, probably put a damper on your vacation.

SPEAKER_01 6:18

Well, like I said, we'll get down there this weekend and see what we can get into.

SPEAKER_05 6:22

Maybe you'll find the shell. If your turkeys are gone, I think Bobby said he'd he'd take you to his place. Yeah, let you have one of him.

SPEAKER_07 6:29

He's just such a gracious guy.

SPEAKER_04 6:31

Look, I've got to have a tooth pulled next week, and they wanted to pull it on opening day of Alabama. Oh. There's no way.

SPEAKER_07 6:38

You've got to take that appointment.

SPEAKER_04 6:39

So we're gonna do it on Tuesday. And then I'll have like galls and packed in my mouth. You won't be able to, yeah. You can't call anyway, but I'll be able to. Boxing a pop. It might help my yelping.

SPEAKER_02 6:50

That's right. I'm gonna be.

SPEAKER_04 6:51

It may add a lisp to your yelp.

SPEAKER_02 6:54

Your yelping does it. You will not be sucking on a piece of river cane, I guarantee you that. I don't know.

SPEAKER_04 7:01

No dry sockets. The doctor said I'd be okay, so we'll see. All right. Just not gonna miss that opening Saturday. Opening day that's Wednesday. Not gonna miss that.

SPEAKER_07 7:11

I'll tell you what.

SPEAKER_04 7:12

And you shouldn't. Oh, Wednesday.

SPEAKER_01 7:14

Do we have a podcast? No, we do not. Oh, I can't.

SPEAKER_02 7:17

Oh, I'm sure tonight. Yeah, we're gonna have a podcast on next Wednesday, and it's gonna be called Crickets.

SPEAKER_04 7:25

All right, let's turn our attention over to the our guest on the couch. He's you you're you've got a great big mustache. Is that like a trademark for you?

SPEAKER_02 7:35

It's not a great beard.

SPEAKER_04 7:36

My girls say it's a caterpillar. So mustachioed. Well, tell us a little bit about yourself. Uh before Dudley get started with some rapid fire in a second, but yeah.

SPEAKER_06 7:45

Um, born and raised uh in actually Tampa, Florida, moved here when I was 10 and didn't uh all I did in Florida was play baseball. And so didn't really even think about even hunting during, you know, in the in the fall or anything. And uh mom's side of the family's from down there, dad's side's from Birmingham, and no one on my mom's side hunted. So it wasn't until I got up here uh when I was about 10, 11 years old, and uh my uncle hunted, my dad's brother hunted. And he would take me uh, you know, sometimes during deer season when, you know, during football and and you know, playing, you know, middle school and high school football, could never go during the spring because of baseball. And it wasn't until college I really got into turkey hunting, and um but that's kind of how I I I guess got into it. Uh and it's kind of one of those things, you know, getting into it late, I guess it's I don't know. I really can't compare it to getting you know to a young kid getting into it, but I think getting into it late I have and always wanting to have done it when I was young, but never could, there's it's just that much fire and that much more of a drive because I wanted to and I couldn't.

SPEAKER_04 8:56

Yeah. So but so when we talk about your calls, you know, we we've had a lot of trumpet guys on through the the last couple of years. We've listened to a lot of people. They're the kind of the the call the who's who, really. Yeah, the the call that people are trying to learn to master. But when I uh yours is very simple and basic, it's real natural looking, but it sounds so good. It really does.

SPEAKER_06 9:17

Yeah, and I don't I don't know if it's the density of it that has a different tone or what compared to like a wingbone. I would guess the wingbones can be denser than than you know than any type of cane, but it almost has uh a very, yeah, very, you know, yacht-ish, you know, uh uh I don't know, just turkey. Woodsy. Yeah, yeah. It's woodsy, yeah, different tone, you know, than a trumpet, any traditional turn trumpet for sure. Yep.

SPEAKER_05 9:40

Yeah, I've I've played with some wing bones and uh I've got a Bill Lester. Um I've never used one of those, I guess what you would call a true trumpet, you know, where they all look similar. But uh this just is easier to be it seems like it's easier to be quiet on these and uh hit it, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_04 10:02

Dudley's really good at this.

SPEAKER_05 10:10

You know, it's just quiet.

SPEAKER_04 10:19

How long how when you decided I don't want to start making these things, how long did it take you to kind of get a handle on it?

SPEAKER_06 10:26

Oh a while. It took because there's no you know, you can get on Facebook Live or you know, any type of media page or even probably YouTube and watch, you know, there's people out there that broadcast them turning trumpets and maybe not they don't show all their secrets, but you can get a grasp of okay, that's how he starts go, you know, through the entire process. There is nothing that I have found showing anything with a tube call. There's stuff or tube call with a can call, there's stuff on, you know, of people doing wing bones, and that's about the closest that I could get. But as far as you know the diameter, the you know, the density, and I mean I kind of started with the Jenka rating of it. And I was like, okay, I can do something with this now. And just trial and error with the mouthpiece diameter, the length of it, the length of the middle piece of the ferrule, you know, whatever you want to call it. And I've just kind of just now got to where I can sit there and look at a piece and be like, that'll work. And I've cut, you know, about two, you know, a little under two inches, you know, for the mouthpiece. And then the middle piece I'll sit there and have to fabricate a little bit, and then the bale piece, I have it, I have a kind of a you know, certain, I guess, diameter I want on it. Um but it's taken, you know, a few years and 70, 80, 90 of them built, you know, to get 15 that are like, okay. You know, now it's kind of every single one I do is I won't finish it until you know, because I was just getting frustrated early on, like, man, I can't, you know, I have this tricky in my head that I want to sound like and I can't get there. And it's just like, well, all right, that that's you know, good enough, kind of, you know. And it because I I just you know wanted to you know continue to build and try and find that trial by error, and um finally getting to where, okay, now I have something, uh, you know, uh a sheet of directions for myself, so to speak, that I've kind of just have written down, be like, okay, here's this, here's this. If it sounds like this, this is where to, you know, shorten this side, lengthen this side. Oh, the middle that's you know, it's too much air is getting into that. I need to get a smaller diameter, you know, middle, you know, kind of stuff like that. And it just taking a long time.

SPEAKER_07 12:36

So did I mean, did you set out to build a trumpet out of cane, or did somebody inspire you, or you just like, hey, there's some cane in my yard, let me get to working on this? Kind of sorta.

SPEAKER_06 12:44

So I've I've got a buddy um who uh started a call company about the same time I did, and he hand turns his trumpets. And I'm like, you know, my late grandfather has or has a um had a lathe that I now have. And I'm like, well, I I kind of want to start it now, you know, probably in turn that one of my good buddies uh, you know, started his, and I'm like, I want to do it with him, you know, kind of thing. And and I'm like, you know, what what can I do? And I I think I was driving home and pulled onto the property and looked out across the lake and saw the bamboo, and I'm like, Huh, light switch. I was like, I bet I can make some pretty good cane yelpers.

SPEAKER_07 13:20

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 13:21

So and that's kind of that's and that's how it started.

SPEAKER_07 13:23

But you did test the hardness of the wood and then with the job. No, I didn't do that.

SPEAKER_06 13:26

No, I just Googled, yeah, Google tested it. Yeah, there you go. That's what I think.

SPEAKER_02 13:31

The ultimate test is making one and listening to it. Yeah, no, because they sound perfect, and that's why another thing is fine-tuning from there.

SPEAKER_06 13:37

That's a whole nother thing because I can I think I sound good. Like when I was running, like when I was starting out, and I was like, man, that sounds pretty good. And I'm recording myself and I go back and look at it, I'm like, that sounds horrible. It sounds different, you know, on camera, and and I and you know, different on stage, and any room makes it sound different.

SPEAKER_02 13:54

Yeah, but I mean that's I tell everybody any kind of call. The best way to get you know, five or six, eight yards, even is turn your phone on, walk away from it, and call. And I would say call towards it and then away from it too. And then you can tell what you sound like, but you it's hard to tell.

SPEAKER_05 14:09

Yeah, when you when you're sitting there listening with your ears, it it almost it's got a bit of a goosey noise to it. Froggy sometimes. And then you but then when you get away, it it definitely sounds more turkey-ish. But uh when I'm being quiet on these, I I I feel real confident with it.

SPEAKER_06 14:26

You can get and I'm I'm getting a little better on my my loud. And I have one of those mindsets of, you know, especially if I it's like a shark, you taste a little bit of blood, he's like, Oh, I may have something here. And I'm just I'm going to figure a way to do it, to, you know, to to make it how I want to make it. And uh, and I think I'm about there. I'm I'm getting very if I'm not there, I'm getting very close.

SPEAKER_05 14:48

Well, I I like your choice. I mean, you can use any material you want, you know, but uh a lot of the a lot of what you're using is the you know invasive bamboo uh from overseas, but it's a good good way to use something that's invasive, you know. Um and I think there is something to the you know being less dense. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 15:09

Um and I on the inside I'll I'll coat the two or the the the bale and with polyurethane on the inside. And I think that draw it helps draw the air a little bit crisper because I think there's a lot of pores and stuff on the inside. I think you kind of seal that up, and it also is a crisper, I feel like it's a crisper front end, and you can hear it, and the the cuts are a lot cleaner and poppier.

SPEAKER_07 15:33

Um but yeah, it's it's uh looking one of these things. Yeah, and the way this thing looks, you know, I I just gotta say it. I mean, this is what I want hanging around my neck. It looks like an artifact. Yeah, that maybe I mean it's somebody straight up, authentic, original, every one of them are very unique. Well, no one is the can't two can't be the same.

SPEAKER_02 15:54

It's actually the status symbol. Like, you know, one time you needed a little polo on your golf shirt or something. It is the status symbol amongst turkey hunters now to have one. Even if they can't run it, they got it hanging around their neck like they can.

SPEAKER_07 16:07

Yeah, that's right. This just looks more old school than everything else.

SPEAKER_02 16:10

It's caught on, and it is, I mean, it's neat everywhere you go to the case.

SPEAKER_05 16:13

Well, I mean, he's developed a style, yeah. It's a Chad Anchor style, and you can look at one of 20 of them and know that it's his.

SPEAKER_02 16:21

But my first note I wrote down on notes here was like, how cool you kind of created your own lane. You did your own thing. You even kind of figured it out on your own. Yeah. Um, you know, and to create something unique instead of just going down the same road as someone else. And that very cool.

SPEAKER_06 16:35

And the anchor on it's kind of hard to see, but it's an anchor with an apostrophe S. And my late grandfather was um with before he or I probably I think he was before before he retired. I and maybe he's always woodwork, but I just remember before he retired, always going over there and seeing his woodwork and stuff. And I, you know, it was kind of like, hey, don't go downstairs, don't go in the basement. That's that's Bampaul's basement.

SPEAKER_03 16:54

Right.

SPEAKER_06 16:54

You know, I can't I was never allowed down there, but I was always fascinated because you open the door, it smells like wood, all different kinds of woods and all this stuff. And and he is a he he was a veteran, so he prided himself on making those flag cases that you have right there for veterans. And on the back of them, he had a bigger brand, but it was an anchor with an apostrophe S. So everything he had had an anchor with apostrophe S. And I told myself when I started the fincher that I'm gonna get a brand. That is and that's where that comes from. So I thought it was pretty neat.

SPEAKER_07 17:20

Was his his lathe, was it an old craftsman lathe or grizzly? Grizzly lathe. Gotcha. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 17:26

That's cool.

SPEAKER_04 17:28

Dudley, why don't you uh let's do the rapid fires and then we'll get right back to asking questions about these. Yeah, so this rapid fires brought to you by Nutrient Ag Solutions. My buddies, that's right. Yeah, and hey, you know what? What, Bobby? Brian Nyphong. Y'all have all met him. Oh yeah. He just recently won a major award. He's like the marketing guy for the the high the the the all the ag industry voted him as like the top marketer. Well, hit the horn for Brian. Big deal.

SPEAKER_02 17:58

So you're saying you make him look really smart, right?

SPEAKER_04 18:01

No, I'm not saying that at all, but I wish I could say that. But but congrats to Brian.

SPEAKER_02 18:05

Great group of guys. Great people. They really are all of them.

SPEAKER_05 18:08

Yeah. All right, Chad. Um, I'm gonna ask you about 10 or 12 questions. Let's go. Are you ready? I'm ready. Uh, name a current favorite spring bloom. Dogwood. I've been on that lately.

SPEAKER_02 18:22

And everybody's a dogwood.

SPEAKER_05 18:25

Yeah. Do you carry something lucky or of sentimental value in your vest? Hmm.

SPEAKER_06 18:32

I've got a lucky striker. It's one of the first hickory strikers that I've ever owned. And I I got it at a call or at a the uh uh World Air Expo the first year I've ever bought a call. And I think I was in middle school, and I think the striker with a um that came with um the uh Primos Power Crystal, I got another one with it. Okay, and it was that and I still have it. Excellent.

SPEAKER_05 18:59

Um I hate I lost my photo.

SPEAKER_06 19:01

That and a photo that and a photo of my kids.

SPEAKER_02 19:03

I groaned when you said strikers. I have lost so many good strikers.

SPEAKER_05 19:07

And this is this is kind of random, but I'm trying to get to know you better. Were you ever into WWE or WWF when you were younger?

SPEAKER_06 19:15

My brother was. I would go uh because I you know, Stone Cold, I thought that was you know pretty cool. Texas rattlesnake, you know, and he always he wore the camo hat, right? So I was just like, oh, that's pretty cool. We were no, I never really we were talking about that yesterday.

SPEAKER_05 19:27

Do you prefer the white Alabama barbecue sauce or the regular barbecue sauce? Right. If you could have a second home anywhere in the lower 48 and afford to travel to and fro, where would it be?

SPEAKER_06 19:40

It's gonna be in the low country somewhere. So either Florida or you know, South Georgia, so you know, southern Mississippi or South Alabama, it's gonna be in that belt. Closer to the closer to the coast.

SPEAKER_05 19:51

Describe your favorite call that isn't a suction type call.

SPEAKER_06 19:56

Hmm. Favorite. Um I can do I can do a lot on a diaphragm, but having a good pot call is it I don't know, something something about it.

SPEAKER_05 20:08

Um okay. Uh when eating Asian cuisine, do you prefer bamboo shoots or water chestnuts?

SPEAKER_07 20:14

That's pretty good.

SPEAKER_06 20:19

Okay, I'm gonna go bamboo shoots.

SPEAKER_05 20:20

Raising canes or Zaxby's? Zaxby when turkey hunting, do you consider yourself more aggressive or not so much?

SPEAKER_06 20:32

Not so much anymore. It's dependent. Okay. I'm aggressive to get if I if I if I know I need to be somewhere and get there, I will get there. And if he's 150 or something like that, I will wait.

SPEAKER_05 20:44

I'm very patient when it comes to that, but I'm very aggressive on getting where are you more of a cane pole guy or do you prefer modern fishing tackle? Modern. Okay. Uh do you do much owl or crow stuff, or do you more often let the turkeys get started on their own?

SPEAKER_06 21:04

If and I I tested this out the last couple years. If you wake up, or and from what I've from my experience, it's maybe it's just luck, it seemed to have worked. If I'm not hearing a lot of birds, tweety birds in the morning, I'll strike up an owl or a crow. If the if if God is calling his little creatures to wake up in the morning, I'll sit there. I'll sit there until after fly down. If I haven't heard anything, then I'll start that process.

SPEAKER_05 21:29

Okay. And last but not least, have you ever named a turkey? No. Okay. No.

SPEAKER_07 21:40

I hadn't named that many either. No. Catfish hunter. I mean, I still remember him.

SPEAKER_06 21:45

I mean, I may I may have had a picture of one with big spurs and call him Captain Hook, but never really broadcast, you know, just like one that you couldn't kill that you named. What would I eat?

SPEAKER_07 21:53

Something like that, yeah, but I've never turkey. I was hunting with um with actually Tatum and Hayden and uh Um in can in Kansas. And a turkey came in there with one leg hopping and limping. Named me Peg Leg. Peg leg.

SPEAKER_05 22:09

Peg leg peek.

SPEAKER_07 22:10

We had a hen. I've seen a hen like that and we called her Eileen.

SPEAKER_06 22:13

There you go. That's even better. So I guess I did. We have Eileen. There it is.

SPEAKER_05 22:18

I think I've told the story. I won't get into it today, but my first turkey's name was Big Toxie.

SPEAKER_07 22:23

Oh, I do remember this, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 22:25

And then about four or five turkeys later, we had one we called the Terminator Turkey.

SPEAKER_02 22:30

Uncle Bud named one the Doctor, and then they had Sam. But the I've never named one for me, but I did name one for Bobby. Well remember? Joe Cool. Joe Cool. Joe Coco.

SPEAKER_07 22:39

I forgot about Joe Cook.

SPEAKER_02 22:41

He's still down there. Oh, you killed him last year, Bobby.

SPEAKER_04 22:45

Yeah, I don't know that he was old enough to have been Joe Cool.

SPEAKER_02 22:48

He'd have three-inch spurs by now.

SPEAKER_04 22:50

Yeah, he was uh that was a good name for a trucky though.

SPEAKER_02 22:53

That's the way he was. Yeah. He whooped up on everybody.

SPEAKER_04 24:57

So, Chad, I'm just amazed at the gumption it took to go from thinking about trumpets to figuring out how to put this cane together. But I'd I'd like to start with asking the difference in the river cane that we see up and down the river systems around here and then the bamboo that you're using. What what is there a difference in that other than size?

SPEAKER_06 25:19

I I I have I I'm not sure on that. That might be a Dudley question because I I mean I I I am select or I am only, you know, the only I only have what I have, you know, in the yard. I've never really now I have had some friends reach out and say, you know, and and cut bamboo, and and luckily they've had the same kind of bamboo that I've got, you know, on their property. I'll make one, you know, I've had a had a buddy that's you know got like a second generation farm and you know his grandfather, you know, you should kill turkeys in this bottom, and he cut a piece of a couple pieces of of cane, and um, I had to dry it out because you know he wasn't he was he didn't know to cut the old, so he cut the greenest pieces and gave them to me, and and I had them, you know, made them for him for the next year and gave them to him this past year. And um, but as far as like you know, different kinds of canes, I'm I'm not sure on that.

SPEAKER_05 26:07

So uh the local native cane, the genus is Arendinaria. And I I think we've got about five species around here, everything from uh you know real short stuff to the taller river cane. The main ones uh we call switch cane and and river cane. Okay. And there's there's several more. I need to get more familiar with the genus of it. I don't I don't know the non-native ones as much, but um I'm pretty sure this is the same species that we've that uh is behind Daniel and Neil's old house by the dog kennels. And then I've got some in my backyard. Uh and it gets a lot bigger, you know, and it grows. So can you make them out of river cane?

SPEAKER_06 26:52

Okay, it's probably the same process, and they probably I wonder, do they still do they have because you know these have like a film layer on the inside that I that I'll get a drill and get uh actually a um a cleaning brush like a for like a 12 gauge. And it's and I don't use the I guess I probably could use the you know the steel bristles, but I use that nylon bristle brush and I'll just give it a couple, you know, a couple runs through it, and um I'll do the same thing. Uh actually with the mouthpiece, I'll get the only thing small enough to get that stuff out is an allen wrench. So I'll sit and just clean it best I can, you know, gently with an allen wrench to not make the hole bigger. Either that or if the hole's too small, I'll just get you know a five, you know, or a 330 seconds or a um was it 532s or 560s, I forgot what size bit and and and hit it, and it gets the bore diameter that I want and it cleans everything out at the same time.

SPEAKER_05 27:48

Got it. Yeah, the the native ones have like this filament type stuff in it that you gotta get out as well. But I've made a lot of calls out of the native cane, and I like the sound of yours better. Yeah. So and that may be a density thing.

SPEAKER_07 28:04

Maybe so. I have no idea. I don't know. He's probably made more than you have. You he's made a lot more than that. Do you remember the first turkey you killed with the call you made?

SPEAKER_06 28:12

Yes. That was uh special. Uh that was pretty cool. And I he he was one I so I started him off with that, ended up killing him with uh with actually with a um with a crystal call and that and a and a mouth call. But all I could do with that call, I could I could yelp on it, but the diameter was ginormous, and he could not get quiet on it. It was just a loud yelp, a cut, or you know, a pretty loud cluck. And I struck him with it. And that was the catalyst. That and the competition calling with it and hearing people, you know, you know, like man, that's you know, that sounds that is, I guess, what shot me in my mind, like, okay, you're on to something. But having an actual bird gobble at that, I'm like back in the game.

SPEAKER_04 29:04

Let's listen to you run one a little bit. Let's share let's hear what you sound like. From the tree? No pressure.

SPEAKER_05 29:10

Yeah, tell us what I like that little high high pitch.

SPEAKER_07 29:36

It's almost got that bubble kind of sound to it.

SPEAKER_04 29:39

You sound very good. So so talk to us about what you just did. So if a guy's listening and he's bought one of these from you, what what did you just so from the tree, a little bit of tree talk, and then got a little bit louder with some yelps.

SPEAKER_06 29:52

But I mean, how are you doing that? So and it's it's weird. I think all people are different. Um, because I've heard, you know, Mark Prudham say how he runs it, and you know, the late Reverend Farmer, how you know he would run it, and you know, the turpins on how they run it, different styles. But I found with my or with the way that I call on my tree talk and on my cluck and purrs, I am breathing in as I'm moving my lips. So I can't do it for that long until I gotta take another breath. On my Yelps and my cuts, I can sit there and do Yelps for days and still breathe. It's just how I draw the air. I I feel like it can it I can get quieter and softer by doing that on the tree on the tree yelps than I can just, you know, blowing the tree ups like I normally do my my uh my main yelps.

SPEAKER_04 30:43

I'm trying to figure out how hard you're drawing air.

SPEAKER_06 30:47

Very loose on the lips compared to it to a trumpet for me.

SPEAKER_04 30:50

If you were like drinking a soft drink through a straw, would you be like really pulling hard to get that drink out, or are you just sipping?

SPEAKER_06 30:58

Sipping on the on the tree talk. Yep. And I would say on the yelps it's you know a little bit more. Um, but about the same lip pressure as as as drinking drinking a coke or uh out of a straw.

SPEAKER_07 31:13

Man, that's quiet. That is quiet.

SPEAKER_05 31:23

But yeah, the hard part for me was having a consistent Yelp note when you're when you're breathing in and out. Yeah. I can do a few Yelp notes without breathing and be a little bit more consistent, but I can only get you know three or four notes out.

SPEAKER_06 31:40

But you you but you know what I'm talking about on the breathing in compared. Okay. For sure. Because a lot, you know, for a lot of people that had haven't don't have the short, they're like, you're breathing, like they don't understand. That's you know, didn't understand.

SPEAKER_05 31:51

And you almost have to practice just doing it for like two minutes straight to learn how to breathe while you're doing it. And and it's harder to pull off.

SPEAKER_06 31:59

But now my kikis, I'm you know, rolling my lips, pushing down hard and drawing air pretty forcefully. My cluck and purse, I barely have my lips on there. And it's funny. Great story. Um, so two years ago, um, same same trip where I met Will Dixon um over at Woods and Water and uh Alabama's Turkey Con contest. And I was over there and it was the first uh it was the inaugural trumpet division. And I'm over there and you know, people are rolling in, get there early, and you know, someone said a buddy of mine, David, said, Hey, oh, there's that's you know, Carrie Terrell. You know, he won the Georgia last week on a cluck and purr. I'm like, on a cluck em with this? He's like, yeah. And I'm like, I gotta go, I gotta how's he do that? You know? So I go over there and talk to him, and he's like, Man, you just, you know, great human being. Um, sat there and walked me through it, took the time to sit there and talk to me about it. He said, Man, you just, you know, you gotta flutter your lips really hard, you know, kind of loose, but flutter them. Um I'm over there just making, I don't even know what I'm sounding like. And then I'm getting a little, you know, I was like, I can do it. I know I can, you know, and and finally, I maybe it's just the way I breathed in, but I so like revert like a reverse, how someone uh purchased a mouth call with their uvula, whatever. I did it in reverse. I breathed in and fluttered that, kept my lips loose, and I guess that vibration from the back fluttered my lips, and that's how the perk came out. And he was kind of looking down, like listening to me sound like I don't even know what I sounded like, and then that note came out, and he just kind of looked at me like, oh, there it is, there it is. And that messed with my head so bad. I'm like, here's this guy, and I could see, and he goes, Man, that's that that's it. And I'm like, uh, when do I go on stage? You know, for the next three hours, I'm outside clucking and purring and walking. Because I was gonna use that for my collar's best. Getting that riffs in, yeah. And then finally, you know, come time and I, you know, I go through all my cadences, and here I am for clucking purrs, and I'm sweating and I'm walking, and my lips are dry, and you know, and and I think out of probably the 15 purring sequences, probably seven of them sounded like the front end of, you know, just no vibration sounded like the front end of a key or something like that. And um, I just remember afterwards walk, you know, walking back and and everyone, you know, it's awesome. Good job.

SPEAKER_04 34:24

Well, that's how you do that's how you do it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 34:47

Whoa. I mean so did you notice right even right there, you heard a a couple like and nothing came out? See, I'm still it's still a work in progress.

SPEAKER_07 34:58

Look, that happens every time I type pur, anyways.

SPEAKER_06 35:00

I'm I can't it's all about the looseness, it it's very fragile as far as I think where your lip stop is, how much of that is exposed on your lip, you know, if it's too far in, you won't get anything too far out, you won't get it, it's gotta be perfect. I think your lips have to be, you know, a lot of moisture on it for the you know, lips can't stick. There's a lot that comes into play, you know, with that. And that's just how I how I do it.

SPEAKER_04 35:28

So how do you figure out this this lip stop where where to put it? If if a guy buys one, is that just a starting point and you gotta figure it out for each individual?

SPEAKER_06 35:37

And it's loose enough to where you can't, I mean, you don't want to be forceful with it, but you can sit there and twist it and you know push it as you go. But um, I had a buddy of mine who's like, hey, tell people that, you know, because I don't even have you know mine, but tell people when they find a place that they like it, too, you can mark the bottom of it with a pen, but get a toothpick, put a little bit of super glue, and run it in, like you know, hold it on one side and run it in the bottom and break it off to where that toothpick is touching the wood and it's touching the cork and it's glued and it will not sit there and go up and down. So pro tip. Pro tip. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 36:13

Uh the binder between the pieces of cane, what is that? It's really bowstring. I was gonna say it really looks it looks really cool.

SPEAKER_06 36:21

It's uh yeah, it's uh B55 bowstring, and it just covers the glue and kind of you know makes that transition. And and some of them I'll I'll wrap, you know, the you know, the middle part with a different color. I think this one's buckskin and black and buckskin. Um and a lot of the natural ones I'll leave open just to kind of show, and especially if I get like a gray piece uh of cane, I'll leave that exposed. And um yeah, it's just a it's just a mixture of all of it. But I've gotten in a big kick now of burning. So I've got I call it Pittsburgh style.

SPEAKER_07 36:54

Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_06 36:54

And I'll just heat torch one to where it's black with a black wrap or like with a tan wrap, it's black and tan looking. I thought that was very unique, pretty cool looking.

SPEAKER_04 37:03

Yeah, so these calls have three parts.

SPEAKER_05 37:06

You've got the mouthpiece, the middle. It's that the radius, ulna, and uh I can't remember the other one.

SPEAKER_02 37:14

One on the wing larynx. Larynx.

SPEAKER_07 37:16

The larynx bid is a wing bone three pieces? I think it is.

SPEAKER_06 37:19

It could be two or three. And and my mine right here is a four-piece. Oh, look at there. So, and this is Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_03 37:26

Wait, I only got a third.

SPEAKER_06 37:30

Three.

SPEAKER_04 37:31

Yep. Well, so what does that fourth do?

SPEAKER_06 37:35

Make it longer? Yeah. I mean, I can do it. I think they sound you know great with the three pieces. I just was like, I think one day I was like, I bet I can do a four-piece. Because I I've seen some four-piece wing bones.

SPEAKER_02 37:47

Makes people ask questions about me.

SPEAKER_04 37:49

Well, maybe that's where how maybe that sets a difference in a competition call or something.

SPEAKER_06 37:53

Why does Chad have one and I don't? What you know?

SPEAKER_04 37:57

So the average guy that walks up to you at a show and buys one of these, how long do you think it'll take him if he stays after it to really be become proficient?

SPEAKER_06 38:09

I honestly I don't think, you know, it it if they just stick to kind of what we were talking about earlier on how, you know, how to do your lips, it's not that, you know, it's not that that hard. Like I said, I own one trumpet and I bought it last year. And I've been doing this for, I mean, granted, you know, two, three, four years now. But it's not, it, it's not as as hard as as you would think it is. The biggest thing is to is to get it confidence. Get confident with it to where, you know, because how many times have we picked something up or like, you know, I can't do a kiki out here? You know, it's gonna sound horrible. I'm not not even gonna do it. I'm just gonna call something else, you know. You just get confident in it to where I mean confidence carries a lot of weight. Yeah, and a lot of that is practice, but I don't think it's as hard as what people uh as what people think.

SPEAKER_05 38:57

Are these cup holder friendly in a hot car?

SPEAKER_06 39:01

I I would probably, you know, I I don't uh I bet they are. I I think they are. I pretend that they are. I would I I would treat them like a striker of pot call. You know, don't, you know, on a hot, hot, hot day, don't you know, put it up there in the sun or anything like that.

SPEAKER_05 39:16

But um that's what I like about it is um you can just leave it in your car if you want and and play it, play it on the way to work, on you know, all that good stuff.

SPEAKER_04 39:25

So Toxie are you well, you know, you could have a dip of snuff in your mouth too.

SPEAKER_02 39:30

I've been I've been I've been on the wagon for 16 years now. So good for you.

SPEAKER_04 39:35

You stay on the wagon. Wow. So Toxine, all these years have you ever messed with it? Let's not talk about wagons right now. So Lenny, you made me forget what I thought. I'm sorry. So I'm gonna get nervous. After all this time, all these years of Turking, have you messed around with a wing bone call? Yes, I have.

SPEAKER_02 39:52

I trump it too. Yeah, what what did what are your thoughts? I'm not good enough at it compared to everything else, and so I have not mastered it yet. But I have used it some. I mean, calling with and stuff.

SPEAKER_07 40:04

I've taken mine with me. I'm just yeah, I have too much taking it.

SPEAKER_02 40:07

And I'm like But I mean, from seven years old I used a mouth call for so that's 60 almost 60 years, man. I just just my part of me. Oh and you were so hard. I don't I rarely use anything else, honestly. I do, I do, I'll grab the others to like because I think it's important to sound like more than one hen sometimes. It's really important, but as far as the rest of it, I just I've always and I grew up, but that's all I had. We had one little tin thing with the with a mouth call and a backup in case you blew it out, and that was it. And that's all I took. Didn't take an owl hoot or crow call or anything.

SPEAKER_04 40:45

So I think that probably describes a lot of people. Could we go back and you just start like just blowing a trumpet, blowing a cane 101, and then all the way to where do you put your lips, just kind of walk us through I would say for me the easiest um would be start what I call 12 o'clock.

SPEAKER_06 41:06

I don't run it there, I run it more of over here, but I would say the majority, how should I say this? I'll talk and then yeah, the majority of people that I that I've heard kind of they kind of run it the the turpin way, not a lot of rasp, high-pitched front end, and then you can just hear it you know fall off on the back end, and they and I find that that's the easiest way to run it, and that's you know, straightforward. So in the middle of your mouth, in the mid in the middle of the mouth, and I think with your the way people's lips are right there, I think that's probably what causes it not to have a lot of rasp, at least for me. And then you get more of like the meaty side, I guess, over here with a little bit less grip or a little bit less lip pressure. I think that's where my rasp comes in. Because I've had people, how do you get wrath? I have no idea. That's just how that's just how I run it. And um, but I've heard more people say that it is a lot easier to run, I think, you know, than a standard trumpet. And I I I don't know if that's the you know how the diameter of the mouthpiece, but a lot of people were you know were telling me that they really have to force and draw air out of a trumpet compared to one of these. But yeah, just start. Um I always, you know, a little bit less than a quarter of an inch, something like that.

SPEAKER_04 42:22

Hang on one second, just start that sentence up.

SPEAKER_06 42:24

I'm sorry. A little bit less than like a quarter of an inch, I would say start. I'm I know some people that I mean that thing's sticking out like a sixteenth of an inch, and that's how they run it. But it's like to do that, you really got to push hard up on it. Um, I've seen some people, you know, not even want one, a lip stop. But they just, you know, you gotta find that spot.

SPEAKER_04 42:41

But you're putting this in the very center of your mouth, you're starting in the very center of your mouth.

SPEAKER_06 42:44

And then just kind of hear how how different that is compared to and but it's just so easy to, you know, with the front end. And another thing that I was gonna talk about is is what I I'm trying to make it standard for each one of my calls that you are able to do everything with one hand. Because I've seen a lot of people, you know, they can only run it like this. Well, when that cupping it with two hands. When that turkey's at 100 and you're in a fresh burn and you want to call at them, it's a lot easier to do it like this with a gun up, you know, than it is, I've got to put my gun on my knee or put it down, you know, and get both hands. But um, yeah, on this side, and it was funny is it play around. I mean, I've seen, you know, some people run it like like on that side, but that the farther I get away, I can't even go on the left side. It tickle it tickles my lips. And I can only do it like you know, straight in the middle or just you know, one or two of the side. Yep. But you know, some people are comfortable on on each side, but I would say biggest thing, play with that lip stop, um, and just a simple like that. And then you can get confident, like move it around. And I almost I kind of how I really draw my Yelps out, how I run it, I kind of explain it like you know, the the friction on a on a pot call. You know, the very beginning of your Yelp, you're kind of pushing down, you're kind of easing up, right? That's kind of how I'm doing my lips. Um I'm pushing down just a little bit, and then at the end where I really get my yacht, I'm open I'm I'm just easing off of it just a little bit and controlling that air. And I think having my lips that loose at the end, you really get that yaw, that just nasally, you know, just different.

SPEAKER_02 45:10

And I you have it always sticking straight out like that. I know you said middle of your mouth, yeah right to left, middle of the mouth. But do you ever like see the top down? Yeah, you were a minute ago you were it was sticking straight out.

SPEAKER_06 45:21

I haven't really practiced it. I've always, you know, kind of had it straight out, maybe a little bit of a camp to it.

SPEAKER_02 45:26

Um, but a two-call you have to hold it at an angle.

SPEAKER_04 45:32

It sounds different with two hands than it does with one hand.

SPEAKER_02 45:35

When you do one hand, is it completely clenched shut completely? Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, I say a little bit. A little bit of poke and throat.

SPEAKER_06 45:41

But but this is what's cool is you don't like on the tree yelps, you don't have to, you know, cup if you don't want to. But on the yeah, on the yelps you definitely do.

SPEAKER_04 46:07

When you put two hands up there, there's something about it it sounds it sounds even better to me.

SPEAKER_06 46:12

And how I cut is I'll get it a little bit lower on my hand, and you can play with the the the offset from from this hand. I don't even know what I call it, but I'll sit there and do like a knife chop like that. And I I'm blow it, say I'm blowing the you know I guess you have to be very cautious on casting because right now I'm calling it toxie because of the way my hands are. And toxic is on his right side. Correct. And so you I mean you can cup your hands anyway, you know, and cast it, or you know, or just turn like this and you know, cast it. Or one one hand is kind of versatile, I guess, because you're not really casting anywhere. But on cutting, the way I do it is I is I have my hand kind of like this, and I'm I'm really popping hard on, you know, on I I guess into the call, but you'll get to a point where you can feel it in your hand. Like when you cut, you can feel it in it, it it's like a vibration like into your hand. And that's kind of in my mind, that's oh yeah, that's that's cutting pretty good. But I can feel that in my hand, and it's a big sound you made a ball on.

SPEAKER_04 47:30

Really good. And I know I notice you're using two hands.

SPEAKER_06 48:10

And then a Kiki. Kiki, I I I'll I'll fluctuate. It's kind of a it's kind of like a game time decision. Do I want to run at twelve o'clock? Do I run it wanna run it over here? But I do have to just have a crazy story with a kiki. Is I I've heard probably one of the loudest hens in just the I mean, for 30 minutes non-stop. I've heard a hen in the springtime kiki in the open, walk in the logging road, kick back and forth. I mean, walk down 200 yards, come back, and the long beard is coming in, a different, I'm trying to talk to her, she can't come over. And just back and forth is me and a buddy of mine, and it was uh, I don't know, five, six, seven years ago. And we heard it from 300 yards away, heard her first, and then the Longbeard was on the other side, and by the time we got up to her, we could hear him, and he was working his way. And I don't know if she was just lot, just didn't, you know, but the fact that she'd walked down 200 yards, come back 200 yards, walk back, you know, covering 400 yards of ground for 20 minutes. I'm like, that's a person. That's a no, that was a hint. We laid eyes on her. And I was just like, I've never heard that much. I mean, for 15, 20, 30 minutes of not I mean, she was probably quiet for maybe of the 15 minutes, she's probably quiet for two. Other than that, man, she's not a lot of things. That's pretty cool. Once you hit the notes and you get in that groove, you know, it's kind of like a pocket. Once you you're feeling it, right? Right.

SPEAKER_04 50:00

You look like you're sucking pretty hard.

SPEAKER_06 50:01

Yes, I am on that one. Yes, absolutely.

SPEAKER_04 50:03

What will it nelson used to say?

SPEAKER_06 50:05

I mean, it it's uh yeah, you're you're getting after it. And your lips are like you're like you're crushing. Like you're bringing a gop off to a garden, frozen garden. But it's uh, yeah, it's it once you and that that too has a big thing to do with where your lip stop is because that will not work if you have too much lip on it. You you will not be able to draw, you know, as you could probably hear on the front end of that, you could not uh draw in that much air that easily.

SPEAKER_04 50:29

How much time do you spend practicing?

SPEAKER_06 50:32

With three kids all playing sports, not as much as people would probably think. Um but I practice, you know, a pretty good bit, but I just I don't know, I just uh coachable from what how are you doing in these contests that you're in? Um didn't do that well uh last year and I think it was a presentation and I think on some of my fly downs I was cat I was I guess I was casting the wrong way, but like I was talking to Will about it, Dixon, and you know, he has to sit down when he because he's he gets you know he's so nervous and he just blacks out and I get it because I'm the same exact way, I'm just walking and blacked out, right? And I just you know have you have this plan in your mind and you're like uh this is what I'm gonna do. And you get up there and it's just like, what was the plan? I'm just gonna do it.

SPEAKER_03 51:19

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 51:20

Mr. Andrew Salter, what was the call? What am I supposed to do? You know, and um, but uh and I two years ago I placed uh I think six out of 20 people, and that's what I thought was pretty neat. And now I got a lot of compliments, you know, because everyone else up there had a turn trumpet.

SPEAKER_04 51:36

Right.

SPEAKER_06 51:37

And I'm I'm up there with a yeah, you sound really good.

SPEAKER_04 51:39

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, hats off too.

SPEAKER_06 51:42

And you're making these things yourself, that's impressive. And what's cool, they all sound different, right? Because I I mean you you're limited to what God gives you on you know the density in the wood. And but they all have the turkey in them. They all some are a little bit higher pitched, some are a little bit you know, deeper of a tone. But they all can run one hand and they all have that that yacht at the end. But where they all really sound different is on the keys. The tighter cord bail end of it, you're gonna get a better key, and it's easier to run a key, but you're not gonna be that loud on your cuts, you're not gonna be, you know, yelps are gonna be good, but it just it runs different. And that's what and that's what's a little bit of a struggle in my because in my mind I'm like, I want to build a call that'll do it all. But it's very hard to do when you're limited on, you know, unless I drill it out, but then you're kind of I kind of want it to be natural, you know.

SPEAKER_04 52:31

I want it to be so as a competition caller, have you got one of these that you yelp on, one of these that you or uh uh I mean when you walk up on the stage, you're just using one call.

SPEAKER_06 52:40

Yeah, unless I do a Jake Calc or something like that, I'll grab, you know, I've got a little bit longer three-piece. I'll I'll I'll use it. Um but other than that, I mean I I'm I'm using this guy.

SPEAKER_04 52:50

Have you cracked one in the woods when you're sitting there? No, never mind.

SPEAKER_06 52:53

You'll be the first, I bet. Oh, to break a call.

SPEAKER_07 52:55

Yeah.

SPEAKER_05 52:55

Uh you know, in in a bind, you could use one of these as a striker. Oh you could I have seen that. Yeah, yeah. Never done it. My old my old hen wing bone that I lost, like everything else. Um, I use that as a striker quite a bit. Yeah. Yep. Guys, y'all got any more questions, or we'll I we'll go to that.

SPEAKER_02 53:13

I do. I um just season's open. We're not gonna drag this out long by me. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 53:17

I was just wondering on are you cutting it dry or are you cutting it green?

SPEAKER_06 53:20

Do you I I've cut a batch green and I got in trouble because my wife found out that I was drying it in the oven. Ah. And so now I I had cut in several batches dead, but then that, and then, you know, it is on my property and it is holding up the dam, you know, the lake right there that we have. And I'm like, you know, let's keep the live ones live because I got plenty of, you know, of and I and and it may have been, you know, I may, I may have been had that mindset of, you know, let's just test this batch out. Let's see how long it takes to dry. And it took a little bit lot, you know, longer. I think it was like 250 degrees for several hours. Can't do it too hot, it'll split. Um, did a little bit. There is research on that, on how to dry them out. I've seen more research on how to dry out bamboo than I have make the actual call. Um, but primarily I'm I'm gonna cut them down when they're dead, or maybe the bottom's still a little green, but the top's starting to die out. I feel like that's the that's that's that's the good the good piece. But I've also noticed too dead is bad. Because it gets very the tubes inside of it, I think I don't know if they begin to grow, but it you can feel you're starting to bend. They lose density. And um, yeah, those are a no-go. But they're just destiny. Yeah, definitely like cutting them down when they're dead and trying to you know use all the the majority of the tree itself. Sure. Sure.

SPEAKER_04 54:44

Richie, you got a question? Uh I got the trivia question. Well, no, but before we go to that, you got a serious question. No, yeah, it's a trivia question.

SPEAKER_01 54:51

Well, you guys have kind of asked a lot of the questions, though. I was just you know a new guy, you know, just trying to get it. Well, I mean, like what's the difference, can you say, like, from a diaphragm call to uh, you know, working on that? Your call?

SPEAKER_06 55:03

How hard is it? Yeah. Man, I honestly I find uh it's about the same, you know, because you you're it takes a while, you know, okay, what call am I a ghost cut guy? Am I a reverse combo, a combo cut? You know, how am I going to where do I place it in my mouth? You know, how where do I put my tongue, you know, to push the air, which, you know, which side? Uh, how how hard do I push my tongue? It's there's a lot of the same hurdles and stuff that you have to figure out with one of these as you know, as pertains to one of those. Same, you know, case in point, you know, how far down my lip top gonna go, how much you know, lip pressure, where am I gonna put it on my lips? Same same parallels in my opinion, but with practice, I think you can you can you can definitely get there.

SPEAKER_04 55:52

You're saying Richie's got a chance. You've got a chance. There's always a chance.

SPEAKER_07 55:55

Yeah. I mean, it takes a long time to master a diaphragm.

SPEAKER_04 55:58

My toxic been at it 60 something years. Yeah. When do you think you mastered it, Toxie? When would you say?

SPEAKER_02 56:03

Oh, that's probably seven or eight. No.

SPEAKER_04 56:07

Toxic does sound good. We give him a hard time. He sounds good.

SPEAKER_02 56:09

So I wouldn't say I've ever mastered it, but it's, you know.

SPEAKER_04 58:14

But you're confident. You're very confident.

SPEAKER_02 58:17

It kind of depends on the turkey and where you are and all that. So many variables. That's why we love it. It's it's so different every time you get there.

SPEAKER_07 58:23

I say he reads turkeys better than than anybody. What they're doing, he's like, This is what they're doing. I'm like, they are, you know, and he knows what to do for it for sure.

SPEAKER_04 58:31

Well, I tell you, these things are uh it's it's really amazing to hear you blow that thing. It sounds so good. Very, very impressive.

SPEAKER_06 58:38

And I and I'll be the first to tell you, you know, uh, as a callmaker, you know, people sit there and it's like, oh man, you know, I'm gonna get one of these and try to sound like a turn trumpet. That's not gonna happen because this is not a turn trumpet.

SPEAKER_03 58:49

Yeah.

SPEAKER_06 58:50

You want to sound find you a hen, go get an audio file, go listen to it, you know, get get that burned in your mind and just try your best to replicate that. And that's that's something that I you know really try to harp on.

SPEAKER_07 59:02

I gotta say, I like the way it sounds better than a turn trumpet.

SPEAKER_06 59:05

Me. And that's it, and and I saw something, I think it was at Unicoy. I saw uh I saw something uh that Mark Prudham, I think it was Mark that he was talking about. He said, you know, a lot of people you know say, man, that trumpet, you know, at 100 yards, 70 yards, 80 yards thing sounds pretty good. And and Mark was like, I want mine to sound good at the gun barrel. Yeah, I want mine to sound good, same, you know, sound good here as it does.

SPEAKER_02 59:27

All I can say is to tip your hat to him because he is the man. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_05 59:32

Uh yeah, while we're at that, if if you're trying to learn, he's got some great generators. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

SPEAKER_02 59:38

If you've never YouTube and listen to him call on a trumpet call, you need to do it if you're an avid turkey owner. It's incredible.

SPEAKER_05 59:47

Yeah, if you don't want to develop bad habits, uh check out some of his videos.

SPEAKER_02 59:52

So, but he's he's great with everything. One thing I will say, it just again, just from a distance, it it appears that these calls may be a little bit easier to make a good turkey sound with. I know that if you're probably really advanced and someone like Mark especially, I mean, he could probably make the trumpet go further in some cases. But I would say from just average guy wanting to get into using something like this, some type of trumpet, I it it appears to be easier to get to get to the threshold of where you know you feel comfortable with it, to me at least. Which is uh for me, that's maybe the most important thing you could do. That's where I am, absolutely. Well, you could put it in more people's hands that could actually become absolutely where they feel like they're proficient enough.

SPEAKER_05 1:00:37

And you're you're really just doing this for fun. I am, absolutely. Yeah, yeah, that's good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:00:42

That's usually when the best things and the best products happen anyway.

SPEAKER_06 1:00:45

So and you got a full-time job, right? Yep. I'm a uh I'm an estimate estimator for a civil site contracting company. Okay. Yep. This is just uh for fun that I kind of look at it as not like kind of you know, it's a business, but I'm trying to you know treat it like that. But it's I don't know, I feel like you know, when I dive into something, I'm I'm I'm diving into it. So I'm we can we figured that out. Yep.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:08

All right, let's ask him a trivia question.

SPEAKER_01 1:01:10

All right, bring it. All right, here we have a listener who uh uh by the goes by CH, um, who uh left a comment on Spotify after he listened to uh episode 421, Davis Love III on turkeys. Oh yeah. Uh great episode. I'd love to win a turkey hunt with Bobby on his place. Oh, I think we should give one away. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:35

We could do that every week when the blinds are the Newcomb blinds about to fill out. We could do that for filling the rest of the stuff.

SPEAKER_06 1:01:40

What about the opener? He may not be there. Yeah, he's not gonna be there. You have the place to yourself. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 1:01:44

No, I got a feeling Landy might Landy might be guarding it that morning.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:47

I'm gonna be there. Uh my daughter's uh she's she's she's worried about the.

SPEAKER_03 1:01:52

Oh, whatever. Oh.

SPEAKER_04 1:01:54

Um so yeah. CH what's it get? Yeah, I so I can't even think. Hey, still frustrated. Yeah, just flustered here.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:01

What he's really thinking about is me and Hayden being at his place during youth season. That's bothering me.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:06

Yeah, but I've been I've been wondering about that. So they win uh what Bobby Bobby We failed to mention the peanut patch.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:15

Plan X, Bobby, that'll help you out a lot.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:17

It it probably would. So we failed to mention the peanut patch, but they the winners uh that got CH, whoever he is, will win a Nucum Black. That's right. I got my mind back right wearing these.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:28

So speaking of the peanut patch, you know, going on to our trivia question here.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:31

All right.

SPEAKER_01 1:02:32

So, Chad, you like uh boiled peanuts? I do.

SPEAKER_07 1:02:34

Boiled, boiled peanut.

SPEAKER_04 1:02:37

You know, somebody left a review the other day and said they ran into the owner of the company of the the that owns the peanut patch. Yeah. And he said, I'm gonna give old Toxie and Bobby and Lanny a deadly a call and tell them how to pronounce boiled peanuts. Oh, really? That's what he said.

SPEAKER_02 1:02:52

Well, all right. I would call in. We need to let him know it can be controversial if you're using the southern slang.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:00

Going down to visit down family down in Tampa, we always took the Bainbridge route going through southern Georgia and made sure we got some boiled peanuts. They're good.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:08

They are so here's our trivia question. What is considered to be the fastest growing plant on the planet?

SPEAKER_03 1:03:17

Hmm.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:18

Is this a is this a trick question? It's not a trick question.

SPEAKER_04 1:03:21

Toxie, I'd love to don't want you to blurt out, but I'd love to hear what you're thinking. I have an opinion. Dudley and uh and Toxie and Laney might have a thought on this, but first we'll look over here at our guests. And that's a tough one.

SPEAKER_02 1:03:32

This was uh it is it like the fastest growing in the first five years or over 40 years? It narrows down a little bit richer. Yeah, it's come on, a little hint.

SPEAKER_01 1:03:41

Uh let's see here. It's capable of growing over 47 inches in 24 hours. Okay. 40 Dudley. That almost sounds like cudge.

SPEAKER_05 1:03:50

That's exactly what I was thinking. Sound, I mean, why are you uh I thought it's quite sorry, yeah.

SPEAKER_06 1:03:57

I was gonna say it's probably it's gotta be a weed in my front yard as much as my wife needs I knew about it, but it's it's not growing that way. Good answer. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04 1:04:04

Um, what are you thinking? Oh, I know where we're going with this. Yeah, that's right. Bamboo? Yeah, look at there. It killed it.

SPEAKER_05 1:04:17

Who would have guessed?

SPEAKER_04 1:04:18

How fast, how fast does it grow, Richie?

SPEAKER_01 1:04:20

All right, so yeah, what 47 inches and 24 hours is technically a grass, not a tree. Ah, it's a fast family poasi.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:29

I'll tell you what, sustainable. Some of the stands that I've seen and what you were talking about that bit, I mean there. So there's a batch that I made really quick. There's a batch that I made. I think I made three or four calls, and I would have made more if I didn't get in trouble getting the pieces.

SPEAKER_03 1:04:42

Uh-oh.

SPEAKER_06 1:04:43

We're at Disney World. Yeah, yeah, oh yeah. And we're standing at the Caribbean resort, and in the middle of the boardwalk, going over where you eat, is a little island. And the island has 50-foot stands. And as we're walking by there, before we get up to it, my wife's like, Don't even think about it. Hey, because I'm over there, I'm over there looking down, you know, fixing to grab a couple pieces of it.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:05

Yeah, and you're you're seeing turkeys from the hotel room. And I mean, it's hard nine.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:09

And that was the first night, but they were, I mean, they were touching the clouds.

SPEAKER_04 1:05:13

You know, there's an there's a park over in Otaga County, Alabama that's about 10 acres of nothing but bamboo. It's got trails through it.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:21

There's one right here on Truman Creek Road. It's five acres.

SPEAKER_05 1:05:24

Don't ever plant any of it, you know. But if you see it, use it. Yeah. But don't plant any, please. I don't think you can get rid of it. It's hard. Not without killing, you probably have to arsenal it. Ooh. It comes back from the roots.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:38

And I'm glad it it's at where it's at on our property on the back side of the dam, kind of helping, you know, that, you know, structurally on the dam. And that it's you, I may have a small, a couple small little pockets on the river, but it's perfect where it's at.

SPEAKER_07 1:05:52

That's cool. You're I mean, it's coming from your home place. It's right there.

SPEAKER_06 1:05:55

It's on the Cobra River. I mean, that's sweet. It's old Indian stuff, right? I mean, that's right.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:00

So you're uh you're wearing this around your neck, and this is gonna be the collar you're you'll probably use when you sit down to one.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:08

This is it. I think so.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:09

I I can I can fit mine in one of my striker doolollies on the boards.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:14

Um you get like a you know marsupial gear or marsupial gears, uh, their um chest chest rigs, you know, they have the pockets on the side. Do you sit there and just do that? That's what I do with mine.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:23

Sometimes I just stick it behind my ear or in my hat. Well, he's got these super cool cases, too.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:28

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_05 1:06:29

That is neat.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:30

Looks like something off of Gilligan's Island. I tell people, you know, you can use them for pencils, you can use it for, you know, that or I I I've made some for my dad and my uncle who are big golfers, uh, put cigars in, they put it in their golf bag. Um you can put a note in it, throw it in the river saying there's no turkeys, you know, upriver, don't bother.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:46

No more turkeys on the waterway.

SPEAKER_06 1:06:48

That's fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_07 1:06:49

Well, Chad Anchor.

SPEAKER_04 1:06:50

Chad it's anchors. Anchors. It's uh apostrophe, yes. Yeah. These are these are you you you sound really good on this thing. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, you really do. We've enjoyed talking to you. Is anything else we need that we should have about you we should ask about?

SPEAKER_06 1:07:03

Um just thank y'all for what y'all do in the gamekeeper way because I I I think that's an um that's an umbrella. Uh there's so much more than just the gamekeeper mindset, or it affects you more. It's your daily life, your walk with Jesus, your you know, being a gamekeeper is so much more than just game in my mind. And that's kind of how you know it's teaching your kids the right way to do things, you know, leaving it for others, you know. Because like I think Mr. Toxic, I've heard him say it, you know, it's we we lease this ground from the next generation, right? Yeah, I mean, you know it's so much more than than than than just the word gamekeeper.

SPEAKER_07 1:07:38

Yeah. Can we get a horn? Yeah, come on, a horn's on the game.

SPEAKER_04 1:07:43

So much more for Jeff. Yeah, thank you for saying that. That's awesome. I appreciate that. All right. Uh yeah. Yeah, is anybody uh we got any more questions? Want to make Toxie look like he's ready to go reach one, get right on it. Too early for that. Yeah, yeah. This has been really good. Thank you for coming over. We appreciate it very much. Yeah, great time. Why don't you say goodbye, Dudley? Goodbye, Dudley. Get us out of here, Richard.

SPEAKER_00 1:08:04

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