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Emmy Award-Winning Voiceover Actor Creates Art Through Narration, Animation, and Commercials, with Tasia Valenza (Ep. 26)

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Tasia Valenza is an Emmy nominated on-screen actor and an Emmy-winning voiceover actor who is one of the TOP female voiceover artists in the United States. Earlier in her career, she was on All My Children, had appearances on Star Trek: The Next Generation, Cheers, and The A-Team.  After more than 10 years as an on-screen actress, she then shifted to voiceover acting and never looked back. 

You may have heard Tasia's voice in commercials, narrations, promotions, and animation—especially as iconic female characters in video games and animated TV shows. Examples include voicing the seductress Poison Ivy in the Batman Arkham Knight series and Jedi ShaakTi in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. She's also worked for companies like: Coke, Cheerios, Best Buy, Chase Bank, KFC, and Hallmark. Plus, if you're a long-time soap opera fan, you may have heard her as the female voice of SoapNet.

Tasia now coaches both voiceover actors and non-actors who are interested in learning how to "Give Great Voice" by using the remarkable power of tone plus intention to  move, touch, and impact.

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Tasia Valenza:

I voice commercials and promos like, you know, coming up on Hallmark.

Unknown:

And,

Tasia Valenza:

you know, it's Cheerios. You love what we have, you know, so it says cheers to Cheerios that we have the promos are like I you know, coming up on good wedge and then animation I play poisonous Poison Ivy and the Arkham games. And then in the cloud Ward's general jet I shuck tea, and then I do I narrate discovery ID you know, they were murdered in their beds. So it's really, you know, each genre requires and then, you know, on, on be 101 you know, listen to our songs and feel good movie 92.5. So, each, each genre of voiceover, I get a chance to do that lane, but it's all a form of acting, and using the voice giving great voice, which is what I would I call my passion and platform.

Julie Berman - Host:

Hey, everybody. I'm Julie, and welcome to women with cool jobs. Each episode will feature women with unique trailblazing and innovative crews. We'll talk about how she got here, what life is like now, and actionable steps that you can take to go on a similar path, or one that's all your own. This podcast is about empowering you. It's about empowering you to dream big and to be inspired. You'll hear from incredible women in a wide variety of fields, and hopefully some that you've never heard of before. Women who build robots and roadways, firefighters, C suite professionals surrounded by men, social media mavens, entrepreneurs, and more. I'm so glad we get to go on this journey together. Hello, everybody. This is Julie and welcome to another episode of women with cool jobs. Today we are going to learn from voiceover actor tasia valenza, all about how to give great voice. And this was an incredible episode for me to record because, of course, I'm learning how to use my own voice I'm learning how do I tell a story? What is important to tell him a story? What do I want to evoke? What kinds of emotions do I want you to feel when you're listening to this? And what's my intent. And so this was so incredible, because tasia is like the master at using her voice in different ways to create magic, like this episode was so fun for me to record. And I certainly hope it's fun for you to listen to. Because tasia within a matter of seconds, she is able to transform her voice and to evoke all these different feelings and emotions. Because of her extreme skill in this area as a voiceover actor. And so Tasha has been doing voiceover acting for several years, she started out on screen in all my children as a young lady. And then she had all sorts of really cool appearances, like a team and cheers and Star Trek The Next Generation. Then she shifted out of that from an onscreen actor to a voiceover actor. And she has been doing it ever since. Because she truly fell in love. And she's so so talented. And so it was so fun to get to hear her like just what she thinks about this, how we can all give great voice in our own lives. Because we all play so many roles. Think about how we can be our best selves, how we can be most purposeful with in each role and how we can actually use our voice in the most powerful way. And another incredible thing that we talked about during this interview, was also just how we as as individuals can adopt other people's voices. And it's so fun to think about, like, how do we use our voice? and for what purpose? And how can we become better people? How can we enrich our relationships with others and grow community like there's all these different facets to it. And this was such a fun conversation, to speak with tasia about giving great voice about being a voice actor, because there's so much cool potential there to be in all different types of niches with in this voice over acting industry. And so it was so fascinating. So thank you, thank you as always for being here. And if you want to be brave, try out using your voice give great voice with some intention behind it and maybe practice being a favorite superhero. Hi tasia thank you so much for being on women with cool jobs today.

Tasia Valenza:

I'm really happy to be with Julia because I love the title of it and I feel very lucky that I How to be like I do have a cool job. So if it's the title, you certainly do,

Julie Berman - Host:

yes, you have such a cool job. So for people who don't know you, I'm going to explain a little bit about what you have done and what you do. You're an Emmy nominated on screen actress and your voice over actress who's one of the top female voiceover artists in the United States. You have so much experience in all types of on screen and voiceover work. And you've done everything from being on all my children when you were younger, to like being on appearances from Star Trek The Next Generation. Cheers the a team some really incredible, very well known show

Tasia Valenza:

myself, though. I'm sorry. It's okay. Like, you have a little something for everybody. It's like, there's Borg all the way up to like, you know, Poison Ivy and the Arkham. game. Yes. And my children, you know, so 80s on Oh,

Julie Berman - Host:

it's, it's incredible, like, and that's why I was so excited to have you on, you know, and now you do voiceover work, you're not on screen. And so you've been Yes, poison ivy in the Batman Arkham Knight series, Jedi Shakti in Star Wars, the Clone Wars. And then you've also done some incredible work for like, I mean, just so many companies, I couldn't possibly name them all. But I chose a few like Coke Cheerios, Best Buy, tasting KFC hallmark, and then you were the female voice of soap net. And so it's like, what have you not done t shirts? Oh, there's plenty there. But, but yeah, you know, when you've been around as long as I am.

Tasia Valenza:

I started when I was two. But no, I didn't start when I was 15. So I have been around for a while and been very, very blessed to have I do call myself a recovering actress and a fully functioning voiceover artists though, because I I was pretty damaged as an actress and found my way you know, voiceover saved me as it were just because it was a gentler form of the creative aspect of the voice acting But no, you know, not about the face and how tall you are and how thin you are and all the things that the on camera world demands. I had my youthful years of that. And then I was you know, as I got mentally healthier, I was like, you know, this, this voiceover thing is a better, better fit for me. So that's

Julie Berman - Host:

why will you explain in your own words like what is your job as a voice over actress or voiceover artist? What do you do? Sure.

Tasia Valenza:

So you know, as a voiceover actor, we are it's it's literally using our voices for channeling all our acting abilities. And there's many mediums I mean, people you know, when I first started and you said you have a voiceover actor, I was like, what's that? Now everyone knows what a voiceover actor is because everyone knows about animation. So you know, I do everything I always say I do everything but Kabuki so I voice commercials and promos, like, you know, coming up on Hallmark. And, you know, it's Cheerios, you love what we have, you know, so it says cheers to Cheerios that we have, the promos are like I you know, coming up on good wedge, and then animation, I play poisonous Poison Ivy and the Arkham games. And then in the cloud Ward's Gen jet I shuck tea, and then I do I narrate discovery ID you know, they were murdered in their beds. So it's really, you know, each genre requires and then, you know, on, on be 101 you know, listen to our songs and feel good movie 92.5. So, each, each genre of voiceover, I get a chance to do that lane, but it's all a form of acting. And using the voice giving great voice, which is what I would I call my passion and platform. So I get behind a microphone, and I have my, my lines and the thing, thankfully, again, you know, it doesn't require faces or although with animation now with mo cap, it is getting more. But the same thing I used to do on camera that took me 12 hours a day with hair and makeup, but it takes me an hour for my part of it. And you know, I can be in my jammies. So it's really a wonderful form of liberating the actor to use our skills and talents, but channel it all into the voice and let go of the physical parts of us that are required for the on camera, the theater, that part. So does that make sense?

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes, it totally doesn't. Thank you for the examples. I've ever done that many examples. It was really, it was a work of art in and of itself, the fact that you can transition between all of them just so well and like capture that. I mean, it's it's so cool. And that was a beautiful explanation. So thank you, I

Tasia Valenza:

nobody's ever asked me like to explain it like that. So I was like, Well, let me give them a sample. What that is, and kind of like an example of how my voice would. And that really is how I understand. And I'll finish off because in my give great voice TEDx talk, I tried to translate how an actor thinks how voiceover actors. And so this is the bottom line of how we do it. So the questions we always have to ask ourselves, when we get our role is Who am I, in this particular scene? mean, when I get the copy of my mother and my friend and my lawyer, my sister, my doctor, and my agenda guy, you know, who am I speaking to? Meaning, am I talking to other moms about why they should buy this brand, or how helpful This is going to be or, you know, or to soothe? soothe someone in that cut, you know, in my affirmation meditation to calm them down? So again, who am I speaking to a friend or a lover or a colleague? What do I want? Meaning? What emotion do I want to evoke? Do I want to inspire by friendly? Am I annoying? And my authoritative? You know, what is that? What are the words wanting to do to that person emotionally? And then how does my voice and tone support that intention? So as a voiceover artists, all day long, we're just getting the information who the role, the emotions we want to evoke? And how does our voice support that. And so we become really aware of how how voice infuses the words and how it emotionally changes people. And that's what what has helped me become and be a very successful voice over artist, and now translate that into teaching people the skills to utilize these skills so that they can play their professional and personal, cool job roles in real life as

Unknown:

well.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. And it's so incredible to hear you describe it that way. Because I think, and I know you have a really wonderful TEDx video, that you really go through and talk about giving great voice and you give so many good examples about how we can not only do that, within our own lives, just you know, person to person with our families and loved ones and friends, but also then to to sort of pull that out and extrapolated out to like, if we're having a job interview, or Yeah, like, Who Who are we being in that moment? Who are we talking to? And then like, what's the emotion behind it? And it's really interesting to think about that even doing you know what I'm doing now? Like, interview? Yeah.

Tasia Valenza:

Yeah. So yeah, that's a really important role. And how you do it affects how your guests feel and emote. And I would love to say, you give great voice, Julie, thank you. You're warm, you're inviting, you're enthusiastic. You're curious, you're creative. All that channels

Unknown:

through.

Tasia Valenza:

And we feel that, but were you always aware of doing that? Well, or have you gotten better or?

Julie Berman - Host:

No, I? It's interesting. You asked that, because I have always been interested in learning about what people do, and how they do it. I think it was always very natural for me to be very curious, like, just to ask questions, because I was just always like, oh, what things are out there. Like I want to know more. I love to travel, I love to try new foods. So it's kind of just I think, my personality. But then I got really interested in this, this niche, like this area of women doing these inspirational, really cool things. And so it just lights me up, I think naturally, so I'm so glad that that it comes across and I appreciate the compliments so much. I mean, a lot coming coming from you especially well, I'm

Tasia Valenza:

so glad that I could offer that up because you you're a perfect example of what it means to give great voice. Because you you and you have a natural proclivity and you've taken your passion, and turned it into something that lights you up, and that comes through you. Because you're really open to it. Right? If you were doing this, you know, on a subject that didn't turn you on, right, like on on on medical, the newest, latest medical tools that you know are coming into play or, or the latest greatest, you know, accounting software, maybe that, you know, your enthusiasm wouldn't charge through you because it's not your day, but both for sure. It definitely comes through and I can give you an example right now as a guest even, you know again, I'm I'm fairly naturally ebullient. I love people. I love to talk. But if I said to you, Julie, I'm so excited to be here today. Thank you so much for having me. Yeah, I wouldn't believe you know, write the words, but the words aren't what really, you know, less than 20% of our communication are the words themselves. Yeah, I heard it was 10 less than 10. But then another scientist said no, it's more but still, if you say 20 percent are the words. And then the rest are the nonverbal cues, the body language, the tone and intention, and the facial expressions. So that's the thing again, give when you give great voice your body supports that, or it doesn't, right. So that all comes into play that that we are feeling human beings. And so, you know, I love you can mean I love you. And it can mean take up garbage. I really need some money. Yes, Mom, I know exactly. When my kids when they were they just want to say hi, when they want money when they're in trouble. But I just you know, it's like, don't we know? How our loved ones feel about us just by the tone like they you know, and when we're on the phone with somebody we can hear right away. Okay, good. Just by the way, there's the Say hello. So we're very sensitive to tone. When we're tuned into people, and but by becoming more aware, we can recognize how we can use the remarkable power of tone plus intention to give great voice to move, touch and impact whoever whomever we're speaking with.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes, I love that. And I think it's, it's fascinating to think about just doing what I'm doing now as podcasts are, but it's actually so interesting to think about it in everyday life, or with the people you work with, or come across, even in a grocery store. And I you know, I was so excited to discover who you were and then also discover what you do. Because, you know, even the sort of the short snippet that you gave in the intro is so fascinating to me that you are able to do so many different roles. I don't know the right lingo that to say it isn't

Tasia Valenza:

I just don't want to say voices, but I'm not really changing my voice. I'm not feeling good. I'm not doing really, really late lady lady lady boys. But I but but no, but I'm taking the parts of myself that I know, that are envy. And I'm channeling what need what parts, you know, my more authoritative part, you know, the part of me that knows that I have, you know, some wisdom and, and or the light and airy and silly part of myself with a soothing calm part of myself and I you know, knowing intentionally that that will help me to communicate more effectively. And I do it really poorly a lot in my personal life because I'm still reactive human being. And as my children and husband are what let you know, excited to mention to me, like, that's not really giving great voice. He

Unknown:

said, Mom,

Tasia Valenza:

you know, you got me on that I I am in a very snippy mood. So yes, pick up your damn socks. But the point is, is that I, as a voiceover artist, I'm trained and trained and trained. And I recognize that when I'm on the phone with customer service, and I've been waiting my 25 minutes just to get to speak to somebody that that righteous tone, it may help me in the short term, but you know, when that when the phone goes dead by mistake, or I get disconnected and like, should have had a little bit more patience should have had a little bit more warmth should have had, like made them an ally, as opposed to just how dare you know, like, the first thing I recognize, quite often. And I love to share that, that when we can we understand that it's not just the words we say, but how we save them, it can impact every area of our lives for success.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. And I'd love to go back like a little bit and just have you give us, you know, a brief history. And then I want to talk more about what you really do now and like focus on that. But I know that you started as an onscreen actress. And um, you know, I saw an interview with you. And it was it was such a good interview. And it was vo buzz weekly. And so people can look that up if they're interested. But it was such a good interview because it was so insightful into sort of your career. And one of the things that really, I guess struck me when I was when I was listening Was that your mom sort of was the one who who kind of was like pushing you I don't know, I'll be it like I'm not sure how hard or if it was just like over time like maybe to think about this. Maybe try this out. Maybe do this, but I thought that was so interesting. You know how she saw so much in you at like such a young age. And so I would love to kind of hear I guess your perspective on like, what was it like as a young woman being on screen? And then what your mom's role kind of was? And then what was that transition? You know, between the the screen? And then being a voiceover actor?

Tasia Valenza:

That's great question. Yeah, my mom Gloria really was the really the conduit she was. But you know, my both my parents were actors at as teenagers. I mean, they, my father went to Performing Arts in New York City, which was one of the premier, you know, public schools for the firm. It was on Broadway at 15. And my mother went to music and art and then went to, you know, they both did their acting, and then came together. And then my father became a restaurant tour. And my mother, you know, had three children. And then she had some illness. So neither one of them got to fulfill their full potential, even though they were both incredibly talented. And so being in New York City, my mother, who again, suffered from Polycystic kidneys, which really, you know, is a devastating disease, from the time that she was 36. But she would take me to two, we would do extra work together, background work together. And I literally, was responsible for me getting my first starring role where it was really an backstage open call, where she went down, I was cutting school watching all my children one day, said, here's my picture in case any background people which again, I have nothing to do with it, but she still took it. And they written the wrong age. And they were looking for a teenager, an older new and the Latin side. And so they sent away all the women and said, we're looking for a teenage young, lovely girl and my mother brings up my photo like this, you know, and I get a call at pseudos ice cream parlor like oh, you know, sweet Are you have to come down here and audition, I go down and I audition and Juliet Taylor's the casting director at the time, we can cast all of Woody Allen's movie said, yes, you're wonderful. We'll fly you out tomorrow. And you'll either be back the next day or pack for six weeks. So I screen tested with who I thought was, you know, my leading man, I was hoping for like Scott Bayeux at the time, it was really hot, you know, that it was Sean Penn. And I was thinking, Oh, I gotta be a good actress, because this is Nicole Lee from ridgemont. High is all I knew. And I was like, ah, but I but I did screen test with him and got the part and changed my life, you know, didn't dropped out of the school play didn't show up for a course, cool, came back and my life was completely different. And then six months later, got all my children. And so, you know,

Unknown:

she wasn't

Tasia Valenza:

a pushy pseudo stage mother, but she saw my potential. I wanted to go to music and art and performing arts, but neither of them like really helped me and so like, I missed one audition, you know, I it was that strange. They weren't like really pushy, but the right place at the right time. And then she was also the one who said, you know, you should get into voiceover acting. And I that's what I said, I don't even know what a voice record is. You just said this is what they do. This is a girl at the gym doing it, you have a beautiful voice, you should do it too. So yeah, she was really my my mentor in that regard, or not my mentor, but my that that that that conduit who said you have it. My father, on the other hand, we were divorced my parents, so I only saw him on weekends. And he would walk with me on the beach and start teaching me acting, you know, naturally from his experience. He asked me, you know, to talk about this idea that nothing was done about the words and it's about the emotions. And so the two of them together kind of lay the foundation, but I had no formal training. Up until the time I started acting. I didn't have any classes or anything like that, and, and really kind of learned on the job. So they both were pivotal, pivotal forces in my life. I talk about my mom and my TED talk as as the part of the, the cautionary tale of not giving great voice enough. And so I'm still incredibly close with my so my mom was passed, and she's with me all the time. But, you know, again, wish I had really remembered to give great voice to her with more compassion and kindness and empathy. And my father, Frank, who's my hero is still a great teacher to me and is really, you know, proud of my accomplishments and taking, taking this passion and turning it into something. So they both been incredibly supportive, pivotal roles and where I am now,

Julie Berman - Host:

that's amazing to hear. And it's I think that it's so fantastic that they were both so supportive, and that they saw so much in you, you know, like such, it's, that's such like a delicate age. I think for any kid, whether you're male or female, it's just hard. And so I think that's just so awesome. And then I were really going quickly through your history, but I want to make Sure we talk about to like, your all the things that you've accomplished as a voiceover actor, because I find it so fascinating. And I know that you've done just like a multitude of different types of roles within that. And so I'm curious, like, for you, what is a typical day like in the life of tasia? Like, what is? Or maybe there's not a typical day and you can correct. But like what is, you know, when you get up in the morning, you're on the job, like, what does that look like? How does that feel? What are you doing?

Tasia Valenza:

Well, you know, it's funny, up until about three or four years ago, I did one thing I would go in my booth my closet, and do like you said, like, could be four or five different kinds of jobs in one day one could be animation, one could be promo, one could be narration, one could be radio averaging. So it would literally just be like a, like hopscotching and vocal gymnastics of like, you know, coming up on ABC, and then you know, you know,

Unknown:

I love you dying, you know, it's just,

Tasia Valenza:

I mean, for animation, usually we go to studios, but it became more and more from home. But literally going in a closet, I created my booth out of my closet, because I, I just didn't want to build a booth because I don't like black around me. And I found my clothes, you know, literally were the buffer buffering, baffling. And so when I moved to a bigger house, and I was gonna think I thought, well, maybe I'll build a booth. Now, I went back into my closet. So I already my day is spent in a closet. I love that so much. It is different for most debt, most jobs that you will hear, I this is my office, and I go into my closet, and I have a window there and my clothes are there. And my, you know, again, my microphone and my computer and I could connect with studios all over the world. So I read different coffee. But then now the last 534 years I've expanded where I'm a voiceover coach. So I coach individuals, especially focused on animation, because I've done a lot of animation. And then I teach classes and I used to get everything used to be kind of impersonal, localized, now it's all on zoom. And then I teach non voiceover clients, my give great voice clients of lawyers and podcasters, and actors and speakers and TEDx talker, speakers, again, in my office, so I'm constantly going from my closet now to my office, in my office, and I voice in my closet, so I you know, Barry says the pandemic, the drive is easy, but I've constantly like fully gone my close, like, I got to present now, you know, again, I got to play the role, I got to get out of my jammies, which I can't do pause it. And so I come You know, and I teach here, and I do my zooms here and I even teach give great voice workshop. So I'm, I've become, I'm kind of a myriad of messy myriad of what it means. And I'm loving it. And I'm also you know, a little overextended. So thank god, I'm not having to drive as much. But you know, typical life of the day is like back and forth from the office to the closet. Lay my different roles as a voiceover artist and or a coach teacher speaker.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes. And I'm curious, because I feel like that's a lot of brain work, when you would be switching from one role like as a voiceover actor, like you'd be thinking about all those questions that you were talking about, like, what role am I playing? What emotions are there? How am I going to support that with my voice? And if you're doing multiple things like that in a row, and then you're in your closet, and then you're shifting gears, and then you're going to teach other people? Like, do you sometimes come away? Like, that was so awesome, but woof, I'm wiped out. Like my brain doesn't want to

Tasia Valenza:

die? Yeah, at the end of the day, I'm like, Oh my gosh, can I just watch some wonderful Netflix because my brain is fried. And you know, and i and i given great voice, you know, again, truly from my soul and my heart and I try not to be you know, on auto drive. I mean, that's the whole point is that I can't approach anything, I can't find it in literally I have to give great voice and be conscious, but it's also incredibly fulfilling. Okay, that makes sense credibly nourishing, yeah, it's I get to speak with beautiful souls like yourself, who, you know, are captivated by this and I'm passionate about the subject just like you. As you know, I mean, I have a great voice room on clubhouse, the salon that kind of evolved, because I had this desire along with a TED talk, to share this information. So not just with my clients but with the world. Because I want to you know, I'm at a point in my life where I want to give back and I want Leave legacy and I want to, you know, I always joke that I, you know, I want to be known for more than just slinging sides. You know, I gave great voice, you know, and she's, she's, she's all Clorox. No, I really want to give back with what has helped me. So as much as I'm drained, I'm also filled. Yes, I feel so creatively passionate, and I also get to impact lives. And that makes me really happy. So I love being a master storyteller. I love telling a great story. I just played I just dubbed in a French prosecutor for for a show where, you know, I got to a she, she caught a serial killer and, and I get to, you know, to give her voice and it's just this cool thing, where I got to be, you know, a hero. So it's super cool. When we get to do something that, you know, we get to be channel, I love helping people channel their inner heroes and their inner villains. And because we all have this creative desire, but not every profession, or lifestyle allows that to come to the fore. And my job, and my passion is to get everybody's child out of the closet, out of them to come and play.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, I love that. And I think that's such a powerful, like, through, I guess, through my journey of trying to create the podcast, and then I've listened to literally, probably now hundreds of people just talk and how people interview and really like trying to study it and see how do people ask questions? How do people go through and put, you know, emotion in certain places? What do they talk about? How do they talk about it? And why are they talking about that in the first place? Why is it even important? Why do we care. And so it's fascinating to hear, given that aspect of what I've been doing, you know, for the past year plus, and then having this conversation with you. And that's like your job, but I don't think I would have ever maybe connected the dots in that way that you're telling these really cool stories with every role that you're playing, whether you're doing like a French lawyer, or whether you're doing a Clorox commercial, or whether you're talking you know, as the mama Cheerios, it's really fascinating to think about, like, what is that backstory? Like who's who's actually sadness, who's listening? What is the emotion and especially that emotional tie that you mentioned, it's that seems like such a key part in storytelling. And when I listened to like, you know, on your website, tasia valenza.com. And I'll link to that in the show notes. So everyone can find that, but you've got the most incredible just like, demos, I think, and some of them are like sizzle reels visuals, some of them are demos that you can just listen to you. And it's so fascinating. Sounds like it's the same lady to all of these roles. And, and yet, like you have all those emotions in there. And it's so cool. Like, it's very clear that there's emotion behind it. But I don't know that people in their everyday lives, like what you're saying, we don't think about our own lives and what roles we're playing or we're hoping to perhaps play. Um, and I would love to talk about, like, what was one of your absolute favorite voiceover roles that you've played? Like? Do you have one that just brought you so much joy? It was like so much fun or so unusual to do. Gosh, that's a great question. I you know, it's like picking your children up fair enough. I understand that reference.

Tasia Valenza:

Yeah, it just recently played the Nisa doza from Star Wars resistance and she is in the Star Wars universe. She's a mom and like a badass resistance fighter awesome. Captain and she's she's both like you know so like she's she's she's this warrior goddess strong but human and and with Bibles and and at the same time she's a mom and in the in the Star Wars universe they don't have a lot of moms that are awesome badass, you know, soldiers fighting for the for the for the right you know, for the resistance for the for the heroes and so to channel um, you know, cuz I played I played these other superheroes and villainous is but they're not, you know, human form. And so to to play this woman that I admire that I like to be more like, was really gratifying because she inspires me so. So whenever I get to play a role, that I admire the character that I feel like wow, I I own some of her and she informs me because I've now voiced or given great voice in great life to her. I like a little bit to stay with me and infused me and make me a better mom and a better wife and a better friend and a better human and a better, you know, community member. So, I guess because she's somebody that I I've never gotten to put all those elements together. I'm crazy in love with her. Because I want to be more like her.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. She sounds like a great person. She is great. Even I can see why. Yeah, no, well, me being that I would like to hang out with and be more like, yeah, can't go wrong. No. Yeah, that's so interesting. And I, I think that the idea of capturing some of that is almost an interesting concept in general, like, even to look to some people who, who we feel like are really bad as women in general, you know, just doing these incredible things in the world, and like, almost seeing how can we capture some of what they're doing within ourselves? I think that's a really interesting concept in general, you know, to sort of take away from that almost do that in real life.

Tasia Valenza:

I mean, yeah, I, you know, you can channel your interest. I mean, that's again, that's what I teach. You know, who's your favorite superhero when I'm, when I'm tweaking people, my clients, even in the give great voice room alone, you know, and I feel like they're, they're feeling repressed or timid. I'm like, Who's your favorite superhero? Wonder Woman, great,

Unknown:

let's get her in the room.

Tasia Valenza:

Let's pose, put that energy, the body language. Again, there's a power pose, inform you. And now I want you to feel Wonder Woman channeling three or Superman, or, you know, Batman, and people will take that mimicking energy, and let that come through them. And it really changes and transforms your voice, because they're giving permission. So it could be your favorite vocal superhero. It could be your Oprah or your Sigourney Weaver, or your Morgan Freeman, I always say this, you know, use your, your, your heroes, and imbue them and say, you know, what does that sound like and maybe beaten, be exaggerated and then you know, 10% 15% let it inform you. So that eventually becomes yours, but still take enjoy in views that still were in views, and then see where it you know, it's, it lands with you the subtleties land, but first, you know, go full force. That's why people love animation. That's why they love cartoons, because it gives us permission to play. And that's why people, you know, they can they can enter those little characters and voices, and it frees them up, right that maybe that in their own lives, they can't give great voice to it. But as a voiceover artists, you know, we get permission to do that. And that's why I think it's so you know, why, why are we so in love with cartoons, you know, adults, you know, as far as 80 years old and down to kids, because we all have children within us that wants to be freed and want to let themselves experience this childlike fun without being repressed and told no, you know, you have to talk like that or act like this. And so it's a, it's a liberating experience.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, I and the examples that you give of like, yeah, think of your favorite superhero, or someone you admire. I, I mean, that's just so powerful. And so thank you for sharing that. I wanted to ask too, like for you, because you have been in this industry, you know, specifically you've been in voiceover for a while now. I'm curious what it's like as a woman, and has it changed for you, as a woman? Like what? Were there any harder things about it? Or was that never an issue?

Tasia Valenza:

Well, definitely, there's an expansion, you know, diversity and expansion of voicing. And yes, when I started, it was definitely primarily a male dominated industry, both in acting and voice acting. Okay. And, you know, I've been doing it for almost 30 years and 100% roles and, and genres that I never used to be able to play and I had a chance I voiced the World Series of promo for the World Series and NASCAR I've done more sports, announcing, as a female voice of ours in the last two years that I did in my whole rest of my career. So I really love the diversity across the board. You know, it's, it's incredible, the the expansiveness of really representing what is the world has definitely been so beautifully shown and experienced, and now you can hear it. So I'm really delighted to be with With that, where I feel that, you know, it's not just my voice that's being heard. But but so much more. Again, the reality of our diversity. Yeah. Which is beautiful, diverse voices. That so it's it's definitely a change since when I started and I did feel like I got a chance to be the voice of a network, again to be the voice of soap net as a female, but even 20, you know, funny year, almost 20 years ago, that was pretty cool. Again, it was Yeah, they also then I did get a chance to kind of like, break glass ceilings. And I was on ABC when again, it was mostly male voices, and so very delighted. But now I think it's really pushed where it's not going, No, it will never go back. It's not a trend. And, you know, I mean, like a fad. It's real, so many more opportunities across the board for women and diversity, diversity, and I just love it.

Julie Berman - Host:

That's awesome. And it's so important now just, you know, to have everyone be able to hear someone who really sounds representative of the person that they're, you know, their role they're playing. Yeah,

Tasia Valenza:

yes. Yeah. It's, it's, it's vital to our sense of self to see ourselves as you know, represented in a way that makes us feel good and lifts us up and also here ourselves. And I think it's a beautiful time in the world overall, that this is really coming to the floor, that we are all voices, all of our voices are matter, and deserve to be heard,

Julie Berman - Host:

for sure. And so speaking of our voices, I want to read a quote from you that because I did do my research, wow. And and so there are so many quotes, like so many things that you said, they're just so great. So I'm gonna link to like a lot of these things that I mentioned. So people can go actually find them if they if they want to learn more about you. But there were there was, like, so many things that stood out, this was one of them. And I loved this so much. So you said that your voice with a loving intention is truly a gift, and you'll never regret giving it. And you said that in your TEDx talk. And I love that so much. Because I think that like a lot of what you talked about in that TEDx was really about how sort of now that there's a lot of technology. And we're taking lots of pictures, we're texting everything shorter and quicker. And it's it's very different than email and such like, we don't use our voices in quite the same way. And especially given the past year and a half. I think that has shifted a lot, too. And so I'm curious, what is your thought now, given this, given this last year and a half. And, you know, the fact that this really is so important, I'd love for you to explain this quote, a little bit. Sure. That was the last sentence of my TEDx talk. And again, it was really this notion that,

Tasia Valenza:

you know, words are great, and they're really great for the head, you know, when texting facts and information and emails, but when you're want to touch the heart, you really want to use your voice, you really want to give great voice. I say that when you give great voices to give to the speaker, because we feel like we're really using our voices, and we have a warmth behind it. And we have an intention of love behind it literally raises our own dopamine levels and our own oxytocin, we it actually makes us feel good as a human. And it makes the person on the other end of that receiving that feel good because they're hearing our voice and they're feeling that frequency. And it's a different experience than just a visual cue. Right? I love you written. There's something about hearing that sound of love with the sincerity behind it that touches us on so many different levels. For feeling beings. We're not just you know, isolated to visual beings, we're feeling beings. And our voices carry a frequency that just a written word count cannot. So it's a gift

Unknown:

to the speaker, the

Tasia Valenza:

one who's giving it, it's a gift to the one receiving it. And it's a gift to anybody witnessing it, because they are getting those same mirror emotions of like, Oh my gosh, she's like, that's why we're carried by voices like Morgan Freeman and James Earl Jones and Oprah. And we will listen to them read the phone book.

Julie Berman - Host:

Right, because it's so true. Yes.

Tasia Valenza:

It's the voice that's carrying it that soothes us or inspires us or motivates us or, you know, makes us laugh or it's the voice and the intention behind the voice. And that is more impactful than any other form of communication in my mind, a voice can give us a hug of you know, with COVID. We literally couldn't touch each other. Yeah. So it's what I get when I when I, when my TEDx talk came out is Oh, seven years of the making. And I made I did it November. Yeah, I had a story behind that seven years from the time I intended it, because I had a an LA Times article saying anybody can give a great TEDx and I crossed it out and I put tangible Enza. And the day that I found out that I got my TEDx, I had the newspaper, that article that I brought with me to my house, took took it back out of the drawer, put it on the desk, and I looked down after applying to one place, and it was 2013. That was 2020. Now amazing. Yeah, so it was like, Oh, my gosh, seven years. So I'm a big law of attraction kind of a person we act, we bring it we visualize it, we say so I mean, I could have given up so many times. And so the TEDx came out February 7, and at that time, I was really trying to ring the bell, like, hey, let's, you know, I open it like saying, you know, our emotions. I love you. It's been so much more than me, though. The emoji and I'm sorry, said with, you know, being sincere and contrite is so much more impactful than, you know, I'm sorry, written by text. And so this idea that we have taken our emotions and put them into these visual places that no longer connect us, as soon as I was like, please call somebody tells them you love them. This was February 7, and came out to me thing time, and, you know, by March 13, we were shut down, and we had a longer hug each other. But on the on the silver lining side, all of a sudden, it wasn't an aberration to call anymore as the How are you? I'm thinking of you, I'm afraid, or this zooming, you know, like, I get to see your faces, because we're not getting to touch each other. So, you know, the timing was incredibly No, what I've ever wished for it. 1,000%? No, of course not. But did it change? how we think about our voices? And what how we're using them with that was one of the reasons I'm gonna have these teenagers and nobody's talking to each other anymore. And they're only texting each other? And how do you have a real I mean, my husband, I wouldn't be married if we had to have that kind of courtship,

Julie Berman - Host:

right.

Tasia Valenza:

So these these things really impacted me that I wanted to, and I wanted to use this fun lens of the voiceover and channeling like, let's use our era heroes like comic novel and interesting why the voice matters, how we can use it in a playful way. But still use it in our lives to get the pitch to get the investment to, to make the money to have the relationship with our children, and our husbands and our daughters and our families and our loved ones. You know, the whole is how we speak to ourselves. Yeah, we give great voice that's a whole nother piece of it is really the most important piece. Yeah, we speak to ourselves, do we give great voice to ourselves? Or do we tear ourselves down?

Unknown:

Yeah, wall matter.

Tasia Valenza:

So a loving intention can be for those we love and pour ourselves, for ourselves. And so, you know, this is something that I only want to continue to carry on. And then you know, clubhouse is an example, for those that don't know us is audio app that's taking the world by storm, which was how we met, which started during COVID. And as exploded, because ultimately, it's doing just that. Yeah, bringing us back together having conversations without what we look like and how we're posting and all the presentation is gone. Or voice to voice frequency to frequency Heart to Heart mind to mine, all as one group from around the world. And so you know, when when that happened, I was like, Oh my goodness, give great voice. Everybody's doing it. I got to get in this and now people are doing it. It's so now like their voices back. It's like audio branding, and how do you have confidence with your voice? And I'm like, Oh my gosh, thank you. Thank you. Thank

Julie Berman - Host:

you guys. And you know your room because I have been in quite a few rooms and haven't gone on as much lately but like your room is my all time favorite because there's just something so special about the room and the people who come and most importantly, when you're talking about intention, like your intention behind even doing it is just like It's so inspiring. And it just sometimes allows people to like talk about something that's meaningful to them whether it was something positive in their life was or something heartbreaking in their life. But the beautiful thing about it is like people share all these interesting rich No poems and songs. And literally, it's my favorite room on clubhouse. And I think also It goes without saying that I could just listen to you for probably hours on end, like what you're saying, you could just like read a, you know, the book of like, some other language and it's like, I don't even care like the phone. Oh, it's just sound so pleasant.

Unknown:

would say

Julie Berman - Host:

yes. So it's just like I was trying to think of the right word, but it's very comforting. I like I feel like I'm just wrapping myself in this lovely, lovely, cozy, warm blanket. And you know, whether I'm in the clubhouse room, or just, you know, during this conversation or otherwise, and so, you know, your skill in this area, and we've barely touched the surface, like, I wish we had so much more time because I, I could go on and on. But like your skill in this area is just profound. And I feel like we've gotten the tip of the iceberg. And I, I would love to ask, like, if you have advice for people who are interested in this type of career? Maybe they have heard of it, maybe they haven't even heard of it at all, like, Is there one way or few places they could go? To find resources to find some tools to get their feet wet? What do you recommend?

Tasia Valenza:

Sure, you know, I, I have so many recommendations, I would definitely say the first thing they can do is watch my TEDx talk, because it really does lay this foundation in 16 minutes of like, what we're talking about kind of digging it a little bit more, because maybe not everyone's captured it in terms of like, what does she mean by the roles and the four questions and you know, and then I talked about beads, using some tools, breathing, empowering, affirming the dress, you know, again, how we play our roles. That's definitely one thing. Certainly everybody, I recommend to take an animation class of voiceover class and acting class, I've improv class, to start experiencing their own voices and what it means you know, how they can start using them and having play. I mean, that's the beautiful thing is that we're no longer limited by location, you can take a class online, I teach animation classes all the time. And I know that there are so many, you could watch vo buzz weekly and see how ravey for the brain, there's so many resources. So you want to do voiceover there's there, you could just put in want to learn voiceover and you'll come over 1000 things and my belief is you don't have to want to become a voiceover artist to gain from the experience of how about empowered, power your voices, come to the give great voice room on clubhouse, bring up quote or a poem or a story or song? And, you know, we'll we'll play together in there and have you read it once and then maybe have you tweak it and read it. So there's 1000 different ways go on clubhouse, I've seen so many people, I'm sure yourself, you know, just by the act of again, having a space to use our voices to practice to gain more confidence to get on stages to ask a question. You know, competence doesn't come ahead of time. It comes from doing it uncomfortable a number of times till it becomes more comfortable, more comfortable, more comfortable. And then all of a sudden, you're you're you know, you're a speaker, and you're hosting your own room. So use your voice, use your voice, give great voice give great voice. Start your own podcast, in ways to use your voice, poetry on your own Instagram, you know, again, share your voices, there's, there's so there's a myriad of ways it's only the act of like, which which Avenue Do you want to explore?

Unknown:

Yes, that's exciting. It's exciting. There's so many options. Yes, that it's just really taking the first step. I mean, clubhouse is probably one of the best first steps. It's a free app. Yeah,

Tasia Valenza:

get on the stage. And you ask a question. Or you say like, I'm gonna open up a room about, you know, baking. I mean, there's no, there's no limitation of, of subjects that you can be the host of the room, and are like you I mean, the fact that you have a podcast and you're doing this a year out and you're following something that you've always been curious about, and you're making it happen. You're amazing. Julie mazing, you're just you're giving great voice, you're changing the world with your voice.

Unknown:

Thank you, that means a lot. And it's fun doing it. So I'm happy to be here.

Tasia Valenza:

And that makes you a better wife and a better friend and a better mother. And and that's my whole idea is that when we use our voices creatively, it makes us feel good. And when we feel good, everybody else around us feels good.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. That's I never thought about that in that way.

Tasia Valenza:

Oh, absolutely. It's really fill our cups. We then take that the flow, the adrenaline that the positive that joy, the oxytocin, the dopamine, and like, you know, the opposite of depression isn't happiness. Somebody once said that I love its purpose. Yeah. We're, we're purposeful. And well we have that inner child that three year old who just knew that they could play and be free and not, you know, limited of what the to dues that lives inside of us, then we literally fill our cups and when we overflow, we have so much work. Yes. So I just want to mention that the affirmation meditation app called Hey, because a lot of people don't, you know, we haven't discussed it. And it's a free tool of self kindness, self empowerment, giving great voice to ourselves. And it's something that I love to to offer people to use HIV and haven guided affirmations. And it's basically like calm or headspace, but it's my voice. And I co wrote each one and it's literally self affirmation in a relaxed, comfortable, lovely state guided meditation 10 minutes and to gain that inner confidence and then take it out into the world by using your own voice.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes, and I love that I did peek at it and has like a bunch of different topics that you can do. Yep, confidence and relationships and different sort of confidence

Tasia Valenza:

areas wealth, Health Leadership. And it's literally just again, creating a new habit of of kind, self speak, compassion, building and literally using your own voice to to, you know, update the software on how are we speaking to ourselves, and create a better habit of it. And then using that again, when, you know, we're when we're when we're not speaking kindly to ourselves, we come with a deficit to others. We don't serve our roles. Yeah. So that's really, again, something that's so important, you know, the most important voice you will ever hear is your own.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes. And that's such an interesting thing to like, flip and talk about those questions like, in my head, what is the purpose behind? You know, the role that I'm playing? Like, even in my head when you're talking to yourself? Is that a good intention? Should I be speaking to myself this way? That's the most important Yeah.

Tasia Valenza:

Because we tear ourselves down and then we'd like that. I am. Oh, gosh, okay, get ready for my podcast. Oh, I'm an imposter. Okay. Is that kind of like set you up for being a successful? host? No, this is going to be an amazing podcast. I feel so good. I am going to give great voice. I'm going to change the world. I'm going to be the most gracious, beautiful, enthusiastic host. Boom.

Unknown:

I'm ready to rock my roll. I

Tasia Valenza:

mean, so that's so eek. I'm going to have an incredible interview today. I'm going to get that job. I love myself, I believe in myself. But again, it can't be. I love myself I love myself. This affirmations don't work. What is this? bs? No, they don't work unless you actually intend it. even believe it your channel, body language, channel, your inner superhero. Every morning, I wake up and I say today is an incredible day success, prosperity, I have a it's all by mirror and I say it out loud. And I voiced it and I power pose because I know that I gotta set the tone of the day. set the tone of the day, because I have anxiety and I have fears and my little mind starts going. The only thing I know now is like, oh, gee, those fearful thoughts are coming into play really quickly

Unknown:

this morning.

Tasia Valenza:

Let me be the witness to them and not go down the rabbit hole. I just used to go down the rabbit hole right now I'm aware that these are thoughts. They are coming from anxiety. And I have to be the compassionate companion and say, Hey,

Unknown:

take a deep breath.

Tasia Valenza:

Having scary thoughts. Let me take a moment to pre bring myself back to the present moment and say something kind to myself. I love myself, I forgive myself. Today's an amazing day. I'm blessed. I'm grateful. Thank you for my health. Thank you for all the things that I have. Thank you for my husband, thank you for my children. Thank you for the blue skies, you know, programming for what is good and not letting the negative which can you know, there's so many valid reasons to feel fearful and negative. Yeah. Does it serve us to play our roles to go and speak to our children to go speak to our husbands to go speak to our colleagues and our bosses and our clients when we're in that state?

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, definitely doesn't. And that's a beautiful way to start your day. I like I've been trying to intentionally start which sometimes it's harder with little kids to start my day and attentional weight but I've I flipped it at least now because I can control more about when I go to sleep. So I try to go to sleep. And always be like very intentional about at least thinking of like one positive thing or one silver lining. And I found that actually just doing that has helped so much and I've been trying when the mornings I remember. And I get to wake up on my own terms that I, you know that I start, you know, at least by like playing a song that that I, yes, you can hear yourself up. But I would recommend again, using your voice is an amazing Yes. And that's such an important component. I love adding that. So I'm going to add I'm going to add something like that with my voice figure out what I want to say, Oh, I mean, I can send you my affirmation. Oh, yes. Okay, I would love that. But also,

Tasia Valenza:

if you have little ones that can start channeling their inner superheroes early on and use their power, there's a there's a little girl named Jessica. Jessica has affirmations on the internet. And she's like, in the mirror.

Unknown:

I love my family. I love my house. I love myself.

Tasia Valenza:

I mean, I played this for all my clients. And I mean like Nike, you play it for your kids, and then you get them every morning. So I say, Okay, let's do our morning affirmations together, you program them to love themselves early on. They take that information as a way to be that it's not cocky and arrogant. To say I am powerful. I am strong. Go. Let them pick their favorite superhero. Let them power pose with you in the room. And you all do affirmations together, Julie, that is powerful programming for positivity. So get your Batman's on. And you do it with them. Today's day, who are you? I'm Batman, or Superman? Do you love yourself? I love myself, do you believe in yourself? I believe in myself. Tell me your affirmations. I am amazing. I love myself. I'm powerful. I'm strong. And I'm capable. And they will start using this and that will become their programming. Because they've

Julie Berman - Host:

they've they've heard it since they were little. And it was just like, Yeah, I love I love that. So so much like I don't even have the words to express how much I love that. But I think it's incredibly. I mean, it's powerful as an adult, but it's so powerful.

Tasia Valenza:

Well, it's like, zero to seven is the programming that we carry with us. If you can get them to love themselves early on, and empower themselves early on with I am or I have, they will take that with them. And that will be that will be something that was the hard drive of the computer and not something that you constantly have to update the software. We're where we as grown ups have to do that much more when we didn't get on.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes. That's so so true. I really love that I'm definitely going to find that little girl with her little affirmation, Jessica.

Tasia Valenza:

Oh my god, it's it's it's the bomb radical? Oh, yeah, I show it to all my clients. And then once I show it to the kids, my kids, I always tell my clients show their kids. And then they're like, they have something they can mimic. And then it's like, Oh, great. We're gonna do this together every morning. So you give them let them write their affirmations every day. Okay, so who are you today? And how, what are you going to say nice about yourself today? And they go with it. Because they're, you know, they know they have permission.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yes. And there is something to you know, like, I had never thought about using my voice in different ways. And it's so interesting to think about, like how freeing that would be and I could see why people just would love to view voice over actor because there's so many things that you can do with it seems like the possibilities are truly endless. And, and it's it's really

Tasia Valenza:

audiobooks and you know, actually waiting for the blind. There's, I mean, there's so many ways you can, you can use your voice to volunteer to change people's lives. So that's another thing you don't even have to you know, again, DO IT professional you can do it to give your voice as a gift to somebody that needs it. So there's there's a Learning Ally is something called Learning Ally where you can read for, for those that can't read for and there's um, I you can put in you know, different ways that you can donate your voice and give your voice and help people with your voice. So really, everyone's truly empowered. Cuz not everybody has a voice. There's a lot of voices that are dissonant, distorted, and they can't speak. And millions of people. Yeah, I didn't even know that. But either. And so when we are actually gifted with a voice, we can actually use it to change somebody else's life by like, doing giving great voice for good. giving great voice for good

Julie Berman - Host:

or alliteration there. I love it. Yes, it goes back to my like fun editing days. So, um, oh my gosh, this has been so much fun at teesha. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. And I don't want to be remissed to ask my favorite question at the end. And it is this so to end our conversation. Will you share a sentence that uses verbiage or jargon from your field? Then please translate it so it's understandable to us. Sure.

Tasia Valenza:

So as a voiceover artist, I'm often asked, What can you give me an ABC of that? And people don't know what an ABC is, it just means Can you do it three, three times in a row three in a row. So it's like at Acme company, you deserve more, because you get more

Unknown:

at Acme company, you deserve more,

Tasia Valenza:

because you give more at Acme company, you deserve more, because you get more. three different ways. ABC. I

Julie Berman - Host:

love it. That was such a good example. Thank you. Thank you so much for being here. It was so much fun. love being with you.

Tasia Valenza:

Thank you so much for the great questions for being such a gracious hostess for giving great voice to me. And for hoping that we can change some people's lives by inspiring them to to use their voices and feel the confidence to give great voice to others. Yeah, and

Julie Berman - Host:

yes, and if people are interested in finding you, how can they go about doing that? Tell us all the ways. Sure. Well,

Tasia Valenza:

I'm on LinkedIn as tasia Relenza, you can look up give great voice which is my my coaching for professionals. And then as a voiceover actor to hire me to be a storyteller tasia will answer I'm trying to figure out how to put them together. I'm on Instagram, LinkedIn, those are my two primary to reach out directly to me or go to my websites. And if you need help with your TEDx, or you want to get on stages, or you just want more confidence, or you want to learn animation, or all of the above, you want to give great voice on my mission, or just come on clubhouse and come to the give great voice room every Thursday at 4pm Pacific to share your voice, AI. These are all ways that I love to connect with people and how they could give great voice. And I really, really want it to be something that is his mission mission filled that people use that term every day and ask themselves, who did I give great voice to today? Who did I call who needed to hear my voice? How did I speak to myself? How did I speak to my loved ones? How did I give that love and kindness and compassion and joy, and let it channel out through my words, I know that I matter. And know that I'm purposeful. That's that that to me, is what I've been put on this planet. That's my purpose. And that's why I'm really grateful whenever I have a chance to share this mission.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, that's so beautiful. Like, if you're listening, you can't see me. But I like tearing up because it's just such a beautiful purpose in it. It reminds me actually of my grandmother who was super close to because she was one of the best at giving great voice essentially. And like she was so good at just expressing herself in like, gratitude for the moment and gratitude for my family and us, you know, helping her and being with her. And it was just you know, it's interesting to think back on that now after having this conversation. That's so important. So yes, thank you. Thank you. Thank you for being here. And I so appreciate your time. It was just a blessing to have you on today.

Tasia Valenza:

Thank you for having me. And again, it was a gift to be able to share with you and to listen to you and to grow with you.

Julie Berman - Host:

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