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Wedding & Portrait Photographer Creates Musuem-Quality Art, with Erin Hernandez-Reisner

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Erin Hernandez-Reisner's start in the photography world was unexpected-- she thought she'd be an actress. Instead, her ex-husband's dad handed her a camera to support him going to law school. From the beginning, her natural skill combined with her deep understanding of the beauty and imperfections of life are what make her an incredibly talented and sought-after artist.

Erin  creates museum-quality art by capturing meaningful moments in someone’s life--whether it's weddings, senior portraits, or even exploring physical and emotion trauma. Erin is the co-owner of Photos Edge with her husband since 2007. She has been published over 200 times in publications such as Professional Photographer Magazine, Rangefinder, and The Knot. Her images have been on the covers of over 30 magazines and books.

She also discusses what it is like to be Autistic, the adaptations she has made (like discovering the glory of shopping at luxury stores!), and how she uses her sensory skills to create the photographic outcome she wants.

Trigger warning: Erin bravely shares childhood trauma during the interview and how that affected her. Please be aware in case this may trigger something for you. 

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Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

When there's a hug or a speech and the dad celebrates, you know, all I'm looking for every bit of those moments, because all of that matters. It's not. You know, you'll always hear you will hear people talk about this. You will and I'm different. But you'll hear people say like, I capture the story the day. It's all about the story. It's all about the story. And to me, it was never about the story, it was about the life.

Julie Berman - Host:

Hey, everybody, I'm Julie and welcome to women with cool jobs. Each episode will feature women with unique trailblazing and innovative crews. We'll talk about how she got here, what life is like now, and actionable steps that you can take to go on a similar path, or one that's all your own. This podcast is about empowering you. It's about empowering you to dream big and to be inspired. You'll hear from incredible women in a wide variety of fields, and hopefully some that you've never heard of before. Women who build robots and roadways, firefighters, C suite professionals surrounded by men, social media mavens, entrepreneurs, and more. I'm so glad we get to go on this journey together. Hey, everybody, this is Julie and welcome to another episode of women with cool jobs. So today, I have the honor of introducing you to Aaron Hernandez Reiser. And she is a fine art portrait and wedding photographer based out of Kansas City. She creates museum quality art for her business, a photos edge that she runs with her husband. And it was so cool to get to talk to her because I don't know about you. But first of all, like I love looking at wedding dresses and wedding photos, I just find them fascinating. And I mean, I was married 11 years ago, we just have our anniversary. But I still love looking at them just as much as I did before I was married. It's I don't know, it just makes me so happy. So of course when I found her I went to her website and I was like, what does this mean museum quality are and it was wonderful. She explains what she means by that. But you can tell when you go to her website, like her work is just so beautiful. And it's magical, the way that she's able to capture these important moments in people's lives. And you know, you always hear a picture's worth 1000 words. And it's so true when it comes to her art, like I was able to look at these pictures of perfect strangers, and yet be so affected. Like I want to know more Tell me about this picture. These are such beautiful moments that she's capturing. And her talent is so evident. And then I think that what makes her work extra special is now that I've heard her story, and I've learned more about her and her childhood and where she's come from. And all the things that she's accomplished on her way to today is that, you know, she has had so much that's contributed to where she's at today. She's super intentional in her business with her photography, with how she goes about things. She's very careful about making sure that people feel really safe and really cared for in this process, and that she talks to them about exactly what they're wanting out of the experience and really curates this really magical time for people often at such important places in their lives. She does senior portraits. She does you know, the wedding photography and she also actually does speaking engagements as well for keynotes. So she just is doing a lot of really cool things and I'm so excited to see where she ends up in the future and where life takes her. And I do want to mention that this episode we do talk about when she was younger, she did have some traumatic experiences and so if you may get triggered you want to just be aware of those. And I wanted to also mention that I so appreciate how vulnerable she was and how she was able to tell these really, I mean very tough stories. And you guys can't see but I when she was telling me stories like I literally got huge goosebumps all over my body and I like really wanted to reach out and give her a hug and give her tissue but I can't do that because I'm on zoom. She's in she's in you know Kansas City and I'm here in Phoenix. So that's the the sad thing about tech. But the amazing thing is that we got to connect and I am so grateful to hear her story. It's so powerful and, and we also talk about how, and we also talk about how she's autistic, and what it's like to be autistic, what it's like to work in her industry, and just, you know, to be a person in general with autism. So I thought that was really cool. And I appreciated her sharing the details, because it was really good and, and important for me to learn more details about what it's like. And I hope that you come out of this episode, with a lot of things to think about, we talked about some really important things. And I think that no matter what career you're in, whether you're interested in becoming a wedding photographer, or if you're just interested in how to build your brand with photography, we hit on some really cool topics. So if you're enjoying this episode, if you've loved past episodes, I would so appreciate your help. And if you go, if you have an iPhone, go to WomenwithCoolJobs, scroll down. And you can find a place where you can do a rating and review. And I would so appreciate if you could do five star rating, I would so so. So appreciate if you write a review, it means so much. And that's what helps me let other people know about what I'm doing. And how many amazing women there are in the world and sharing that message that women have cool jobs right now. So thank you, thank you. If you've done one in the past, and fleas, I would love it. If you haven't done one I would love for you to rate and review my women with cool jobs podcast. Thank you, as always for listening. And I hope you are doing amazing today as you listen. Hello, Aaron, thank you so much for being on women with cool jobs. I'm so excited to talk to you today.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

It's nice to be here. I'm really excited. This is fun. Yay.

Unknown:

I'm so glad.

Julie Berman - Host:

So you are a fine art portrait and wedding photographer based in Kansas City. And you create museum quality art. And so I when I when I read that I hadn't seen that much of your art. And I was like what it like, what does that mean? How, you know? How do you translate that? So I have to say, of course, I went onto your website and you have like the most beautiful photographs like I mean, really, they're mesmerizing, and they're so special with the emotion, the lighting, like I mean, I my because we got married, you know, almost 11 years ago. But I feel like, you know, I've really come to appreciate people who can capture these special moments. Because I was just telling my husband before this interview, like, we look at our wedding photography every day, like we have it in two different places in our house. And I love it. And it means so much. And so I feel like what you do is so special and so important, and you do it so beautifully. So I'm so excited to talk to you. I want to start out by asking, how do you define what you do? And specifically when you talk about creating museum quality art, I would love to hear your thoughts on that.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Okay, so that goes back, I guess before I became a portrait and wedding photographer, so I was a fine art photographer, I went to college, I have my BFA in photography, and I was working as an artist and I was photographing other artists and I was creating my own stuff. And it was, you know, I was getting published all over the world and, and it was really cool. And I loved it. And I liked being my own artist. And then I also was working as a photojournalist. And there was this kind of a contrast between this world where I could control and create everything. And then this world where I was documenting what was happening and trying to find the truth. And weddings, to me even portraits, they're a combination of the two. Hmm. So, of course, everything's up for my interpretation, even as photojournalists, you know, we are but we're trying so hard to be honest, and what you document. And there's this sense to that definitely within wedding photography. And I wanted to be an artist for people so that they could live around their art. I also have an art history degree. And I would walk through the museums and there were all these beautiful pictures hanging on the walls of nobles and people that can afford to commission art.

Unknown:

Yeah.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And I was like, you know, this is those people's lives like years ago. You know, there is no reason now with Fatah graphy why, everyday people couldn't have beautiful, beautifully crafted fine art from their lives that they get to live around. And I think it's really important today, because we see so many ads. And we see so many things that are marketed to us and thrown in our faces of what we are supposed to believe normal is and where the standard is. And so when we begin to look at ourselves and realize that that's our standard, that we are important that you are important that what you have to say who you are the life you lead, it's it matters, then that is what needs to be depicted in people's homes. And they need to see that and be reminded of that every single day. And when I started on this journey, I then started getting into the psychology of it. And I had battled depression, suicidal tendencies, a lot growing up, like a lot, it was a constant battle for me. And when I realized that, if a family had pictures of their children, and then in their house, that it reduced depression and loneliness, by a massive percentage, and I can't remember what the percentage is, but it was a huge impact. And I was like, This is incredible. It is, and when, like parents travel, or they go out and they do stuff, or they like, they're not always there, or kids are sometimes home alone, because I'm talking like pre COVID, right, which is gonna pick back up eventually, where people are traveling for work, and they're gone again, I hope that that you know, those who want to stay home can but doesn't want to travel like me, I love traveling, I can get to. But if you have a parent that works all the time, and they're not around, but you have a portrait from a really happy moment, or a really great time, it can increase the serotonin levels and reduce the loneliness. Wow. And so what photographers do is incredibly important, I think that most photographers actually missed the mark, they don't understand the importance that their art has, which is why I do a lot of photography, education. I love that. But I really always wanted to put museum quality art in people's homes.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, I think that's such a fantastic mission. And I, you know, by looking at your stuff online, whether it's instagram, your website, I mean, I think that you've accomplished that mission over and over. And it's just so beautiful. And, and I mean, like, I don't even know these people. And I was just really happy looking at all these pictures partially also, because I just love weddings, and you know, looking looking at really fun times in people's lives. So fun. So, but it's, it's really beautiful. And I think that the way that you go about it is is why you're so successful, because you have such a vision, like a huge vision for what you're doing and the impact that it can have on people's lives. So thank you for explaining that. And I I wanted to talk to you a little bit about, you know, your business. So your business is called photos edge. You've been doing it since 2007. With your husband. Yes. And, um, and I, I know that you've been published over 200 times in places like professional photographer, magazine, rangefinder, the knot, and your images have also been on the covers of over 30 magazines and books, which is super cool.

Unknown:

Thank you,

Julie Berman - Host:

you know, I think that you, you really do such a wide array of things. You're also a speaker, and you do keynote speaking on empowering people and the way that images impact the world. So, I mean, really like photographer, yes, your photographer, but I feel like that's one part of what you do. And I'm really excited to learn about all the different facets to watch you do. So I want to ask, you know, first of all, how did you get into photography? Because Did you always have this interest? Like, were you? I feel like you're the same age kind of as me where like maybe you had one of those little tiny click cameras, you know, and then you turn the circular knob, then you click again. I mean, was that you all the time when you were little how'd you get into this?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Okay, so I have to take a drink of tea. We're about to spill some tea.

Julie Berman - Host:

All right, here we go. I'm ready.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

All right. So the shocking answer my abusive ex husband's dad bought me a camera to provide for him while he went through law school.

Unknown:

Oh my god.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

That's how I got into photography. So I was an actress in Kansas, which is so weird. I I was in my first professional performance now seven professional ballet company was coming through town. And I was a gymnast. And they hired me to do gymnastics across the stage.

Unknown:

Wow.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And from there, and we, you know, my mom was really cool mom, she's really pretty and, and we were always at this roller skating rink, and they had us do some advertising stuff. I aged me. I did something with my school that was recorded. It was like a Christmas program that then ended up getting picked up by what was that store called radio shot.

Unknown:

Oh, how funny.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And so like, and they played that for all along like probably, probably until Radio Shack was like, gone. But like, every Christmas, you can see this like, nerdy looking girl. With missing teeth, singing All I want for Christmas and my teeth, brushed teeth. And I was like all

Unknown:

that's Darling, I want to go look it up. And so I can watch this.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

There were other songs too, and other kids. And it was really it was funny, but I grew up and I really, I mean, if you ask me from the time I was five years old, I would have told you I'm going to be an actress. And that was it. And I met my husband now my current husband in Mozart's Don Giovanni. So we were performers in the opera. And when I got into and I was already into photography, I'd already changed my major officially, but I stayed within the music department. Okay, I loved, loved, loved the chair of the department. She was fabulous. She was chair of the National Opera Association, and I just I couldn't leave her like I just I loved her so much. And there were so many good things that that I learned from being a part of any production that she did. And so I changed my major, but to keep a hold of a little bit of performance, I stayed in the operas. But I was really good at photography. It was like everything I had been doing my whole life had lined me up for this. So my first roll of film, like the first image that I had developed from the first roll of film was used for an art gallery advertisement.

Julie Berman - Host:

Wow. When when you first started like ever Yes,

Unknown:

yeah. Oh my gosh.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And my my second year in photography, I was already being published, and I was doing shows.

Julie Berman - Host:

That's incredible. And how old were you at that point when you started?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Oh, man. Okay, so I pretty much like it was the beginning of my career. Because right when I started, I was immediately working. Okay, so I would say I was I've been doing this for 20 years now. Okay. 21 years. So like 21 years ago?

Unknown:

Wow. I

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

don't know. I'm

Julie Berman - Host:

making you do math, aren't I?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Yeah, you are? I don't know. In my 20s. I was in my early, early, mid, early, mid 20s, early 20s, early 20s.

Julie Berman - Host:

That's incredible. But it's incredible that you had that much sort of success and results happening from when you literally first started. I feel like that's probably unusual.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

I think it is unusual. And then like when I saw my first job at a college was right before Hurricane Katrina. But my first job was in New Orleans working for the times Picayune, okay, which is the largest newspaper in the south. And so after 2005 you know, I didn't even really get to work. So, after that, I moved on to Seattle, and I shot some fashion, and I was doing some commercial stuff. And then I came home, I came back to Kansas. And at this point, we had like an apartment blow up. There's like so much stuff that happened within a really short period of time. And we were sitting there we couldn't even afford to like, have our kids like they lived with my parents. We were in this tiny apartment. I had an air mattress at this point. We I think we moved like five times. And I started a job at glamour shots in the mall. I'm working like a few days I walk in and the manager does a line of coke across the counter and I'm like peace I'm out. And I like walked out the door.

Unknown:

Oh my gosh,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

yeah, they got like rated or shut down apparently like the cops came like Date later. And um, that was really funny. It wasn't really funny. It was weird. That was like such a weird experience.

Unknown:

So it's crazy, then like

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

months go by my husband gets this job at like a university, and we get our kids back. Like, we've got some furniture now, you know, but I'm not really I don't feel like a photographer. And we got invited this church, we go and it's around Thanksgiving and the message is like, give when you have nothing else to give, give anyway, who didn't know these people? Really? I think we've been like attending probably a month maybe. Okay. And the this guy had got up before in the messaging, he announced he was marrying the church secretary. Okay. I mind you, I don't know any of these people. So we're sitting there, and we get through this message. And I feel like I don't have anything. It feels weird when you have a calling to do something. And you're like, you're not doing it. It just you don't feel whole. I feel like you know, it's something was missing, right. And I think that was the first time I had the intent of running a business to Okay, and going after it for like that. I walk up to the secretary. And I was like, Hey, you don't know me at all. I was like, I don't know if I'll be good at this. But I would like to photograph your wedding. I was like I am. I am a professional photographer. But this might suck. And she turned to me. And she was like, I do not have a photographer yet. That would be great. I've been waiting. And she was like, I'm getting married in January. And this is November.

Unknown:

Oh, wow.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

So January 2007, in a snowstorm. And then when we were done, I didn't know if I was any good. And so I found Marco, my husband, he found this competition called WP epi wedding and portrait photographers International, entered five images, three from their wedding, one commercial and one children's. And I wanted the feedback because I needed to know if I was good enough to charge. And they said that with their competition, they gave feedback. Okay, well, I ended up winning two international awards with the very first wedding,

Unknown:

oh my gosh. And that's amazing.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And then their wedding was published in a wedding magazine. Wow. And after that, like our like, my career, like it took off. Like it just was it was what it was supposed to be. Yeah. And now I run a very boutique wedding photography service. And so I only shoot like anywhere between five to seven weddings a year and really go after the art. And so my clients get a catalogue, all of this kind of like jewelry catalog. But it is of all the different types of art that they can have. And then they customize their package based on what they want. And so like I have this one product, and if they purchase that product, I am shooting film for the things that go in that. And so I'll shoot medium format film, for the quality and the type of art that I want to be displayed in that. And then sometimes we'll do something where I mean, like if people wanted to, we can do painted portraits. So Wow, I can take an image and then have commissioned artists like paint that.

Unknown:

Wow, that's really cool. And so there's

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

a massive like array of different stuff. And

Julie Berman - Host:

do you blow that up, I mean, it does end up like being something huge on the wall on the special paper.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

It can be it depends upon what the clients want. Because sometimes, oftentimes it will find like, they'll have a place in their house where they're wanting it. And so then I will help them curate what is going to go really well there. So I used to own an art gallery called the Roslyn gallery. And I used to also work an art gallery too. And I've toured a lot of the world's museums. So I come about even selling art or working as an artist from an artistic perspective. And so when we're looking at placing the right pieces in the right stuff it comes from I think that more of that curation place.

Unknown:

Okay,

Julie Berman - Host:

I love that so much. Yeah, I actually really love our what are the things that my husband and I do like every single year is will go, Well, we would go in normal time. So you would go to all the big art festivals here because there's actually quite a few. And you get to wander around outside and it's beautiful weather and there's these, like amazing artists who are coming in bringing all their, you know, their handcrafted artworks and paintings and metals and vases and you know, photographs, it's it's so cool. And so we love that but I also love going to the museums like I've been to so many museums that I just I love art and I love it. I love that you're coming to like what you do and what you create for people like capturing those special moments, but doing it in such a unique way. I mean, I think that, that the hearing you say that and then looking at your work, it really makes sense to me now how you bring that vision with you like whatever you're doing. So I think that's so cool.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Thank you.

Julie Berman - Host:

And the idea of Yeah, and like, it's the it's like curating, you know, special moments and putting them somewhere purposeful. I think that's so cool.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Where do you live?

Julie Berman - Host:

So I'm in Arizona, and we have horrible weather soon, summer, but we have the most magnificent weather for you know, about half of the year, like really fall through through spring. It's just gorgeous. And that's when we have all of our amazing outdoor events and activities and festivals and sports and you name it, we probably have it. That's wonderful.

Unknown:

Yeah.

Julie Berman - Host:

So I so I want to ask you, you know, with what you're doing, what is your favorite part about your job? And then on the flip side, what is the hard and challenging part about your job? Okay,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

so I'm super spoiled in carrying gear, because I don't

Unknown:

love that.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

It's pretty bad. No, it's actually kind of awesome. My husband has always been my second shooter and assistant. And then when we go places or I have larger weddings, I will normally bring a lighting tech person. So their job is to come in and preset up all my lights for environments. So like weddings are often they move so fast. And depending upon the wedding and the size of the wedding, and how much time we have in the wedding, I will want a lighting assistant to walk in and go and set something up for me. So that when I show up, I'm ready to shoot because maybe I've been out like an example of this is walking into the reception when everybody does their big announcements and they come into the reception. So there's normally a way that I want to light those. And if the environment is really beautiful, and there's a lot of decoration and setup, not only am I wanting to get reactions, but I'm also wanting to showcase that in in the way it feels. So sometimes it feels like larger than life, like it's very grand. And we want to make sure that when the bride and groom come in for that moment that they're well lit within the environment, and the environment can be shown to okay, but oftentimes, I don't have time to set that up. Because I'm out with the bride and groom doing portraits or whatever it is that they're doing. And so we walk in like minutes before they do Okay, and so I'll have a lighting assistant come in and like do that other times when a wedding is really chill. And it's more intimate. And sometimes people are shy or super private. And they don't want anyone else there. But my husband and I, then we will coordinate it to where my husband is setting that stuff up. And I'm with them. And then like when they do their entrance or they come in, we'll just be shooting from different angles. Okay, and so then my husband is then shooting. And I guess that's an example of different combinations and different types of weddings. Yeah, because it's all about the person that I'm photographing it actually, as funny as it is. And as much as it seems like it's about me, from my perspective, it's actually about them. And so it's about what they need for that environment and what they need during that time. And then there's other times where, man, there's so many different ways to go about talking about this, because this is really interesting. Oh, there's so many different things.

Julie Berman - Host:

So if you have like your top, maybe one or two, what would you say?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

I would say that that number one challenge. I don't know if it's so much a challenge as much as like every business has to do this is really establishing trust with your clientele. That's always it really is always a challenge because they don't know you, right? They don't know you as a person, but they need to know you. And it's really hard for me, because, you know, I've been published a lot and I continue to publish. And sometimes my clients want to be published. And then other times they don't like at all like this is my private life. I don't want it out there. I don't want the world to know. And so there's a struggle there because everybody wants to see the work you're producing. So it's like if you don't show up on social media, then you don't really exist in the world and you're not working okay, and that's not actually true. And so it gets to be this battle between what the world expects, and then how to actually serve your clients. Right and especially within the photographic industry. And right now, when the entire world is telling everybody to put the private lives out in the open, right, there's nowhere for our private lives to be sacred and private. And so I definitely work with really wonderful clientele and people who, who value that privacy, and they don't always want it on social media, and they don't always want to share it, or if they do they want to, they need and want to control what goes out there. And that's any profession from like CEOs to athletes to I mean, I've we've worked with publicists, we've worked with managers, you know, it's, like, of people, you know, so like, you know, like a professional actor or somebody might have or an athlete might have a publicist that I'm having to work with, because I'm not, they want to make sure that like, their images don't go somewhere that they don't want them to go.

Unknown:

Yeah, that makes

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

sense. And I think that my challenge, I challenge you the same thing that they do, which is society telling us that everything needs to be online, when some things are really just meant for us.

Unknown:

Yeah,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

that's my biggest challenge.

Julie Berman - Host:

And you know, it's so interesting hearing you, as a photographer, say that and have that perspective. Because it is, you know, even for me, you know, to be completely honest, it's, it's been really hard even for me to get on Instagram, because I am a pretty private person. I don't love. I don't love the idea of sharing everything. But But I think that is such an interesting question for all of us, you know, no matter the profession is how much do we really want to share? What do we really want to share and what feels like we authentically want to just keep it for us to have those special memories and those special moments to ourselves. And I love, I love hearing you, because the word that came up, when you're talking was intentional, like I can see that you're incredibly intentional about how you go about, you know, working with your clients and your business, and everything that you're doing. And I feel like, like, I could see how people would really resonate with that, you know, the idea of being safe, and knowing that you are being so careful, and so intentional with things that are really important to them moments that are really important to them. So I think that's awesome. And, you know, I think that is an interesting challenge, because I feel like a lot of people, you know, would have that whether whether or not it was their profession, or they were just on social media in general, but because it is your profession, I feel like there be so many more layers to it, that I'm sure we could probably expand on for like hours, but we won't hear cuz we don't have time. But I would. I am curious about that. Maybe offline, we can, we can have another discussion about about the layers of that. Because I imagine in your industry, there's there's other pressures and other elements to you know, like, specifics.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

There are it's actually rather incredible. It's, it's, and it's a changing industry, too. It's always evolving, because technology is always evolving. So a handful of I think there are a lot of people that feel overwhelmed by that evolution. And I'm excited by it, you know, and it really just, it's a very, it's a very interesting thing. I mean, we have to start looking at everyone has to start thinking about photography, like writing, and everyone needed to learn how to write. There's different styles of handwriting, everyone needed to learn the written word. So even if you're typing or texting, you're still having to learn the written word. Photography is that visual form of communication. If you take your phone and you're taking a picture, whether it's good or bad, it doesn't matter. You're telling a story, you're trying to communicate something, you're using photography to share. And we we have to acknowledge that that is a very valid form of communication. It's there with speaking and writing.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah, I think that's so beautifully put, I wouldn't, I guess I wouldn't have thought of it that way. I was always in the, I guess, more in the background of like the writing components, you know what you're talking about with that form of communication. And I'm just now getting into speaking, but I am not a great photographer, although I do try at least with my children to take some cute photos. But you know, it's like at the end of the day, I think that is so interesting to compare the photography now as a form of communication and and acknowledge it as a really important form of communication.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Well, and that gets us into what I've actually been working on now, which is developing personal brands. So I have three photography brands. So we have the wedding brand photos edge, I'm launching edge seniors. So it'll be high school, senior portraits. And then I have my personal brand. So me as an artist, and right now, I've been doing trauma portraits, and survivor portraits. And so meeting people at their pain, and photographing them in that moment where they are accepting them fully, and just documenting that time in their life. And it's very powerful, and moving. And a lot of people don't hold space for the things that are painful. And yet, every single one of us goes through pain in our lives. Yeah. And so that's where I'm at now. But I went through a personal thing where I had to, I had to acknowledge myself, because I was always hiding behind different brands, I didn't want to be famous or known. I was like, hiding behind that. And so as I was being asked to travel and speak, and as I was being asked to teach other photographers, of course, my name was coming up, and I gone through childhood trauma that made me not want to do that. And so I ended up having to process all of that, and then be okay with using my name. And since then, things have been going really well. And I've been, I'm building my website and developing my own stuff. And I'm not so nervous about all the education taking off or speaking, I've been coming out a lot more doing, you know, stuff like this. And it caused me and I was doing these portraits for probably past six or seven years, without really publishing anything or doing anything, it was just this, just this work I was doing. And I think it's important to also, that's also part of what really made me an artist, too, was that I was creating art and the intention, it didn't matter who it was for. It wasn't it wasn't, it didn't matter if there was an audience, it was my need and desire to have to create it. And that's really where you end up defining and setting apart artists from just somebody that does something as a trade. Right, at least for me, and the studying of artists and how, how it works. And so now I'm really coming out and sharing that work. And talking about these the hard subjects. And it goes into branding, because I had to develop and I'm having to develop my own personal brand. So where are the boundaries of what we're willing to share and not willing to share very, what parts of our lives are private, what parts of our lives are we going to put out there, you know, we get to define that for ourselves. Every brand and now every person really is is a brand. And it's because the power of imagery.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. That's so interesting. You say that because in an ironic moment,

Unknown:

if you will,

Julie Berman - Host:

I was literally looking up my name and the website like for my name, you know, like Julie berman.com, and

Unknown:

it's not available. But yeah,

Julie Berman - Host:

I was like I don't want to be Julie berman.org or you know all these other silly like, Julie Berman cool. Maybe that one would work because because my podcasts but you know, it's like you

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

could actually and not, but you could take your name and brand it like you that would then be part of the brand. Yeah, it's you. Yeah, there's so many things you can do. It's really, it's a very cool thing to start experiencing. And I, I even recently applied to speak at this conference that is for wedding professionals. Because discussing and talking about a brand and your personal brand. We have to start developing our personal brands and actually putting them in our businesses. Because if we don't develop the personal brand, and we don't start putting it into the actual business, it's really hard for people to relate. Yeah, and right now people care about people. And the only reason why they care about the business is because of the service that they provide and the fact that that business is taking care of other people. So when we dive into this, getting To know, the owner of the company, or how the company was founded, who founded it, what, you know, why are you choosing the things, you're choosing what moves you, then all of a sudden now, we're beyond corporate, and we're into personal connections. And that's really what is driving people. Now.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. And I think, you know, that so resonates with me, and I'm sure it would resonate with a lot of listeners, because it is really interesting to think about, you know, even the things that we violin, we're purposeful about buying something, we're purposeful about who we choose to do certain services, you know, and and why are we choosing those things? And I wanted to, you know, go back and ask you, because this is something that's come up for me. And so I'm curious what your answer is, when you were coming into your own as far as starting to really dive more into your personal brand and getting more comfortable talking about yourself and your journey. And, and all of those things and sort of saying, hello, here I am world. Is there one moment in time where you decided I'm willing to be more open and more available to sharing my journey?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Yes, yes. So it was actually more recent. So when I think that things snowball they like really do. And you have to realize that like, I have this whole career as an artist, I just wasn't, I was locking the door and not letting it go where it needed to go. Because I was scared. And we were on clubhouse. Certainly, like, maybe two months ago, like, it was not very long ago. Okay, club has been around Oh,

Unknown:

no. I like

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

again, we were, we were talking about branding. And I was like, I have this weird feeling with personal branding. And, and I do, I still have a weird feeling with personal branding, because there needs to be a way to curate your authenticity, which makes it not as real. But also, you have to be able to find what works for you and the and kind of your own topics and where you're going. And some people just put everything out there. And sometimes everything is just a lot. And then they wonder, you know, why can't they get that job? And it's like, well, I mean, so almost we're almost curating ourselves for our careers, which I think is interesting. And that's like a whole nother like topic that I was talking to somebody about anybody about, we need a panel. This would be

Unknown:

so fun. I love that. Oh, goodness on clubhouse, right. Yes. So

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

when I was there, people were kind of challenging me and pushing me on this. And, you know, I was thinking about it. And I was like, Okay, and then I was like, hold on a minute, I remembered this time in my life that I thought that I had dealt with something that I hadn't dealt with, was like, are you guys in this journey with me? Are you ready to go, I'm gonna I'm gonna come out with it. And they were like, okay. So I just shared why. And I told the story, in the stories about me actually being sexually molested when I was eight years old, for 10. I was 10. And then what had happened was that there was a very public trial. And when the trial was over, I had to go back to school. And when I went back to school, I was everything and nasty and horrible that you could ever possibly imagine. And people literally, I mean, like, you want to talk about being bullied, but I was assaulted, I was jumped, I was beat up. I was slut shamed for stuff I hadn't done like, there was so much. And it went on for several years, which is the depression and suicidal tendencies, which I talked about. So heavy, and there were layers of trauma in there. There was the trauma of being assaulted. There was the trauma of the trial, there was the trauma of how my parents found out, there was the trauma and realizing my best friend had almost set me up without telling me because she had experienced something and didn't let me know because she was you know, that there was the trauma of going back to school and everyone else knowing it, there was the trauma of being bullied, there was the trauma of my name, no longer being what I wanted it to be, and I couldn't control it, and I couldn't change it. And I tried to change the narrative as best as I can. I got into being an athlete, I dove into whatever it is that I could, and I couldn't communicate well, because of course, that's the autism thing. And I didn't fully connect the dots until I was much older. And at that point, I just had told myself the stories that like, what happened to my friend was worse than me that mine was not that big of a deal that, you know, things were okay, I did all these things to justify something, and to tell this story that I could survive with, but it wasn't the truth. And it wasn't me going back and loving myself in spite of it. It wasn't me loving myself and accepting it. It wasn't me processing any of it. I hadn't, you know, I just moved on. I mean, I tried to be successful and the things that I was successful in. So when I was struggling, I also had success. And when I was 19, I was in college, I got pregnant with my son. And then 17 months later, I hadn't my daughter, and I was training for the Olympics in two sports, oh, my God are the 2000 Olympics. So that's how much I just obsessed and dove into something that I felt like I could be successful in. But because I had that with my name, and it could never seem to change it no matter how nice or kind or good I was, it really made me hide. I didn't want a personal brand. Yeah. You know, when you watch celebrities, and you see them smashed across tabloids, and you see people's personal lives ripped apart. And I think that's, that's where I can work with people. That one that privacy, and yet still want the good quality? Yeah. And it's, you know, I've been there. So now, it doesn't have to be the same.

Julie Berman - Host:

Yeah. And it can be good. I, I really appreciate you sharing that story that is like, such. I mean, there's so much that story. And I can't even imagine, you know, what it was like, living through that, like, I, I wish I could, like, hug you because you're so far away in the city. And here I am in Arizona, or at least pass you a tissue.

Unknown:

You know, like, read Okay, cry? Exactly. It's all very raw. But you know, it's like, I

Julie Berman - Host:

think that it's first of all, like, it's so brave, just to share your story. And I can't imagine being a young kid. And not only having to deal with that level of traumatic experiences, but then to have it be so public. And then not only to have it be so public, but then to have people be so cruel. On top of that, like, I you know, I hearing your story, in hearing you describe it, like it completely makes sense. Like, why you were doing things you're doing and you know, being such a high achiever and yet having all this stuff also going on that was so hard and going through, you know, the turmoil, but yet being so resilient as well, like at the same time, and, and then you know, now going to what you're doing, and I think it's incredible that you're doing the photography specifically focused on people who've gone through traumatic experience. And I think the reason you can do that so successfully, my guess is that because you've lived that, and I think, you know, we hear sometimes that we can help people in such a special way, because oftentimes, we can relate to them, because we've lived it, like our former self has lived it and has gone through it. And it certainly sounds like that is the case for you. And I think that, you know, you just bring so much, I think power and I found you on clubhouse. And I think that, you know, I think that I happened to hear that story. And I just remember like, Oh my gosh, first of all, the fact that you can even share that to strangers is pretty incredible. We just see like the glamour and the success, but I give you credit, like so much credit for doing what you're doing and sharing that. And then also now, you know, building your brand and like deciding to use your name for something really important and powerful and beautiful. Things You know,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

it's been it's been it's been really good. Like, um, so one thing to know about me, which I want listeners to know is that I mean, I have a great team, I talk about my team, my husband is the key component of my team. But I have to have a team because I have no concept of time. Okay, so when I go back and I share stories, it's not that I haven't processed and I'm not healing or healed. And it's not it's that I can actually go back Wow. So emotionally I can connect to any moment in time and actually feel the weight felt. Which makes me a great storyteller. But everybody's like, um, are you sure you're okay? Yes. I have actually okay. And so I think that I might be some of my autistic superpower, if you want to call it that. But

Julie Berman - Host:

yeah, there's just there's so much I mean, it really is incredible to think like all the all the people that we can meet around the world just because this new, really awesome social media tool.

Unknown:

And, you know, I

Julie Berman - Host:

want to talk a little bit too, because you've mentioned it a few times that I want to talk a little bit about autism and like how you know, how it's affected you how it's, you know, maybe challenged you how it's also brought blessings. And just like what it means in your life to even talk about it. Because I think that's also something where you're really brave. I think that there are a lot of people who are nervous to talk about it, they feel shame about talking about it, they don't maybe know how to talk about it, they don't know the words. And so I would love to get your perspective on that. So

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

I think that what you just brought up is a really good perspective. So you're you're talking about there are a lot of different people that feel different things about it. Well, I just shared, probably like, one of the most traumatic things that have happened to me in my life. And so being autistic is like, okay,

Unknown:

yeah, you know,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

when you when we live our lives, like just every human being, we live our lives, and we all go through struggles. And hard times, every single one of us, like life doesn't deal fair. But it also kind of in a sense, we all also go through some of the some similar things like what we go through is not identical, but that we have the struggles is similar. Yes. And I think that the first thing that I want to say, which is really weird and random, maybe but if the world that I lived in, wasn't designed by neurotypical people, I would live my life and it would be normal. I would have had I wouldn't have any idea or desire to want to change myself because I would have fit in Yeah. And the conformity that even neurotypical people battle, because everybody is battling this conformity. Yeah, because none of us like it. It's easier for someone with a neurotypical brain to block out or do something that they don't like, or that is mundane, or tedious. Okay, it's easier for a neurotypical person than to walk through a store where there's a ton of ads being thrown at you, and you just get used to them. And your brain normalizes it, and you can block it out or you you normalize it. So from me, when I walk into a store, there is no normalizing It is very loud. And that's often why you're you have children, or maybe even adults, that will get super loud and express themselves, they might even scream or cry or whatever, because they are being overloaded with stimulation. Okay, I hated shopping, until I found luxury stores. Wow. Because they are designed with space and elegance. And they have an aesthetic. There's normally a way they usually sound quieter, they're peaceful, they want you to be able to make decisions. I can always tell when something is expensive versus cheap based on lighting. Wow. And every you know, sensitive autistic person is going to be very susceptible to lighting whether they realize it or not. Okay, so what if certain bulbs buzz, we hear that all the time we feel it. It's like intense, okay, if you have multiple different forms of lighting going on, we see all of that. And for me, and this is a superpower as an artist. And I don't actually think it's related to autism. I think it's just something else I have. Okay, but I have touch a chromosome, which means that I see 100 a million colors on the normal person sees 1 million to me things so when you have like three or five different types of lighting in one room, each one of those lights, puts off different colors then reflects off of different surfaces creating other colors is very loud for me.

Julie Berman - Host:

Wow. Yeah, I can't even imagine that like, but I could see walking into a big place it would be really overwhelming. Like just you describing it. Like imagining all these colors and light bouncing off of everywhere. So,

Unknown:

yeah.

Julie Berman - Host:

And do you feel like because of that, I mean, now the point where you are? I mean, and especially because you are in environments, different types of environments, have you just learned different techniques or ways to adapt in these different environments to prepare yourself? for, you know, what, like, what's going to happen in a wedding or, you know, an outdoor environment and places like that.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

It's so different, like, so Autism is a spectrum. I have to say that because people Yeah,

Julie Berman - Host:

no, and I appreciate that you say that, because it is important. Like if, if no one has ever really heard about autism, it's so important to mention the details. So I,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

I view the spectrum differently than other people, I think, because I've never actually described the way that I view Okay, so this spectrum, I feel like people chunk people together on the spectrum. And I think of every person with autism as an individual person on the line, okay, and because each one of us is completely unique and different, just like every other human is completely unique and different. Yes. And when we start bunching people together is when things start really becoming a problem. So I have a very high IQ, not everyone with autism, that's who was tested, tested, when I was younger, I was tested when I was a little bit older, it's not something like for me, I can process so I can go, this is what a normal person feels, this is how they think this is what is supposed to be like, and then I can tell my brain to do that. And I can go, okay, and the other thing is, too, is that there's a there's combos of noises. So there's visual noise, there's auditory noise, there's physical noise, so like, space. So if if it was auditory on, if all three of them come together, it gets to be difficult, but if it's not, and it's different than it's, it's easier, okay? Like if it's just one or two, or whatever, you know. So sometimes, you'll see parents with, like, their kids will have the noise cancelling headphones when they're going to the store, or they'll use earplugs, if their child will, will let that because that's also now touching. So now we're talking about physical as well. And so there's a lot of different things that factor in. Also, if you're mentally exhausted, at the beginning of the day, because emotionally, maybe you felt something or had to deal with something, then the rest of the day becomes more difficult. So when we're talking about me, as an artist, in a wedding, it's very different for me. And I think maybe that's why I like working as a photographer so much and why I'm so good at it. Because there's, there's like a switch that goes off in my brain. That is okay, you're allowed to be like yourself and your errand to over here. And then this switch gets to go off. It's like turned on. And it's now I am problem solving creation, Aaron. And so when I'm in those environments, they're not overwhelming me, because I'm controlling them. So I'm controlling which light and what colors we're going to emphasize. Which ones do we get to do? Where do we go? And I'm not gonna lie, like, the more luxury The wedding is, the prettier It is, in general. So I'm in an element where I have control, okay, when I'm in a grocery store, I don't have control. I can't be like, Hey, your lights are rising. And let's turn those ones off.

Unknown:

Yeah, right.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And I think that's also where I'm the expert in the room too. Because I do know, that like, this light is going to create this color that's going to look like this within my camera. And then I'm going to choose these things. Because it goes with the aesthetic of the wedding. And the people are going to like it the most. Yeah, and most people don't know that. Also, most people don't see 100 million colors. No, they don't get to choose which ones

Julie Berman - Host:

right. But I love that when you talk about it, because I'm imagining it even though I have never experienced it. But it's like, and the fact that you know you're doing it knowing it's almost like a science and that the fact that if this does this, then this does this. And here we go equals this outcome, you know, like fantastic. That's what I wanted. That's super cool.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

And so I'm taking all of these things are around me and I'm creating a harmony. And so when you are visually looking at stuff, you know, and then you're deciding like, Where's that foreground? Where's the background? Where are we getting depth? How are we showing emotion and I do all these things pretty quickly. And but I mean, I've been photographing I don't know I photographed a lot of weddings at this point and A lot of different people and like all different kinds of news. And I think that part of what I love too, is the combination of culture, and dif like the blending of tradition, and cultures, because people are marrying all different types of people. And then like we're coming together. And then like, also, sometimes people are marrying similar people within their culture, but there's some modern that they want to change it up or, or adjusted, or they have a new take, or, you know, and there's so many things that can be done. And that's so it's excites me. Yeah, I do really feel like it's, it's my gift, it's what I'm supposed to be doing with the world. And I like teaching other people how to do it. And it's, it's been a really, it's a really cool job. And you there's so many, I mean, bringing it back to like you and your podcast, you know, there's so many different types of genres of photography, and there are so many different things that you can do within it. And I mean, even just within portraits to like commercial stuff, it's so wide, and it's vast, that, you know, you you end up like, finding your own niche and, and really going, going for it and learning everything there is to know about that. It's, it's really fun and incredible. And, and I know for myself that I've been putting, you know, since the last like 30 days, I know, that doesn't, it's like really short, but I've been putting so much more of myself into what I do, and how I do it. And I've been going over the experiences that I want my future clients to have and how I want to serve couples in the future. And I've been really adjusting that and in getting better because one thing that I you know, that I am that I feel like there's a benefit to it. And then there's also like, not a benefit. Like that there's a good and a bad is that, you know, I'm slower, I don't pump things out that quickly. Now, I have been shooting like RAW and JPEG is so that I can actually get stuff posted to social media for those that really want it and for the planners and, and everybody to have it. And then I really start working on the fine art aspect. After we take the pictures based on like what my clients are wanting, and again, like a lot of this stuff is pre planned. And so I've worked on it and planned ahead of time. And so I always walk through venues, we I always arrive early, and like I'll even go around with a camera and shoot stuff to capture some details and different things the day before the wedding, okay, because that way, then on the wedding day, we don't have to worry about setting the scene, we've already kind of done that. And if they give me details, or if there is a dress at the venue still are, you know, to some of these locations are they're really nice. And sometimes like people are staying there. And so if they are, I will take the details that they're allowing me to have and I'll do the detail photos and I'll take different things you know, so that then we're not rushed on the day I've and and that's just part of what I do. And I feel like it really lets me get into that space and start really focusing and honing in on like, who the clients are how how their relationships are gonna intertwine and, and unfold. And, you know, when my husband and I got married, we didn't really have a wedding. We did not have a wedding, we went to an art gallery that was owned by a Reverend and we signed papers looked at art and life.

Unknown:

Wow. There's no pictures. That's so ironic thing what you do?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

So his family didn't no one wanted us to get married. Like my family didn't really even want me to get married. But it was mainly and I was reluctant. I understood my family because I had just come out of a really, I mean, not just come out was like, years later but like, you know, I had I was I had a bad relationship before. And so coming into this, you know, my family was very reluctant. Like they were, I guess traumatized? I don't know. It's really weird since I was but you know, whatever. They didn't deal with it well, and my but my husband, his family did not talk to him for five years after he married me. Oh my god. And so when we go to weddings, we understand family drama. Yeah, we handle it very well.

Julie Berman - Host:

I can't imagine why. And we know that like, you know,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

I look at their moments like you know, when the bridesmaids are celebrating with the bride or like she has that one special person, like, or like her mom helping her into her dress like I didn't have that. So, you know, I understand the importance and the love and the care and everything that goes into that. And, you know, now I mean, I did then because I didn't have it. But like now every time we're there, I'm like, I know the love. And I appreciate it. Yeah. And it's interesting, because because we didn't have it, we also know what we're missing. We know like, we don't have that art, we don't have those pictures, but we understand the value of those relationships, and those friendships and the love and care that everybody is putting into that, like whenever I see people and they tell me like, Oh, I really love my grandfather, or I love my grandmother, I you know, I want to know who all the important players are. And of course, everybody there is important player, you know, but like, when there's a hug or a speech and the dad celebrates, you know, all I'm looking for every bit of those moments, because all of that matters. It's not, you know, you'll always hear you will hear people talk about this, you will and I'm different. But you'll hear people say like, I capture the story, the day, it's all about the story, it's all about the story. And to me, it was never about the story

Julie Berman - Host:

it was about the life, I'd love your take on it. Like I think that it's so powerful, because it's it really shows, you know, the day is so important, but it's like it's a snapshot of all the relationships and all the time that we've put into those people and like the love that exists over a long time, not just that one day is. So we talked about some of the aspects of your job. And I want to hear as far as what people can do if they're listening to this. And they're like, Oh, my gosh, I want to do exactly what she does. How can they get into this field? Like what would you recommend is a way for them to start? You know, what resources are out there? Or associations? Where can they go find a lot of good information.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

So I'm on the National Committee then nominates the board for PPA, so professional photographers of America national. And I would say to join PPA because that's amazing. There's a magazine, there's a lot of help. And then I'm also creating a educational class community. It's a photographic community, called gladiators rising,

Julie Berman - Host:

have that name.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Thank you to help photographers. And if you're interested in doing like weddings or portraits, then that's where you need to go or even like getting into the fine art world. But I'm really focused heavily on that being more within the wedding and portrait realm. Okay, and I would say get into clubhouse The moment you can and start finding all the photography groups, there's so much out there. And I don't want anybody ever give up because they feel like something's hard. They need to just keep looking because it's there. But yes, they can also hit me up in my DMS on Instagram. And then I will be figuring out all the stuff with gladiators rising here in the next few months. So it should be ready to go. And at least if I they slide into my DMS I can slide them into that once I get it going.

Julie Berman - Host:

So one of my favorite ways to end the conversation is by asking each guest to share a sentence that uses verbiage or jargon from your field. So then after you save a sentence, if you can translate it for us like what it means

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

here's the 16 millimeter I need the 50 to 140 my Calvin is 630,000 and I'm adjusting my shutter. I can't wait to call these.

Julie Berman - Host:

Oh my gosh, that was awesome. Okay, no, tell us what you were saying because I have no clue at all. Okay,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

here's this 16 millimeter, that means that I have just taken as a lens that can shoot environmental, and I handed it to my assistant and I asked for the 50 to 140 which is a portrait lens. Okay, and now it's a bigger lens and I'm putting it on my camera. Okay, then now I need to often adjust the color because I went from something wide to now something tighter. Okay, so now I'm gonna adjust and make sure that my color is reflecting the way that it needs to be reflecting because often times what if you go to an environmental the main color is going to come from the building or the environment, maybe the sky or whatever the main color Okay, now when we shift and we get zoom in, it's, it could be what the person is wearing, it could be, you know, the jean jacket is now emulating and making everything feel blue when it really doesn't look blue. Okay, so then I adjust the color, and then I'm adjusting my shutter, which means that when something is super wide, it needs to be higher. And then when you zoom in, I have to reduce my shutter, because now I'm tighter and it's a darker image. And so to get the same amount of light, I have to adjust that so that it comes out with the same brightness. Okay, and I can't wait to call these means I'm going to go in and pick out my favorites.

Julie Berman - Host:

Got it. I love that. That was a great example. Aaron, thank you so much for sharing. And I learned some things on the way right of you explaining. Well, thank you so much for being here. It was such a pleasure to talk to you. I'm so glad that we've met randomly on clubhouse. And it's you know, it's just been such a joy to learn about what you do. And hear your perspective on creating gorgeous art for people's homes and in their lives.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Thank you so much. You have a really cool job. This is amazing. I absolutely love it.

Unknown:

Thank you.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Thank you so much. It's an honor to be on your show. Oh, likewise, thank

Julie Berman - Host:

you. So if people want to reach out to you look at your beautiful art if they want to find you for your future class. What What can they do to find you?

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

So uh, right now, I would say hit me up on Instagram. I think that's the easiest way and from there, you can actually find all my different websites and all the different stuff. So my Instagram is Aaron Hernandez. Reisner.

Julie Berman - Host:

Okay, got it. And so do you want to spell it for those for those people who may not know how to spell? Yes,

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

that's fine. So it's e ri n. And then Hernandez is h er na n dz. And Reisner is our Ei s n E, R. And usually when you start typing it, you're going to find it.

Unknown:

Awesome.

Erin Hernandez-Reisner:

Because I'm the only person with that name.

Julie Berman - Host:

It is very unique. So well, thank you again, for being here. It was a true pleasure. And I cannot wait to see all the awesome things that are going to be in the near future, we'll have to definitely keep in touch.

Unknown:

Hey, everybody,

Julie Berman - Host:

thank you so much for listening to women with cool jobs. I'll be releasing a new episode every two weeks. So make sure you hit that subscribe button. And if you love the show, please give me a five star rating. Also, it would mean so much if you share this episode with someone you think would love it or would find it inspirational. And lastly,

Unknown:

do you have ideas for future shows? Or do you know any rock star women with cool jobs?

Julie Berman - Host:

I would love to hear from you. You can email me at Julie at women with cool jobs calm or you can find me on Instagram at women cool jobs. Again, that's women cool jobs. Thank you so much for listening and have an incredible day.