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Ep. 147: Jackie Takes America (Rush Hour)
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This week the Siblings are finally getting around to touch on Jackie Chan with Rush Hour. Of course that means we are also finally getting around to touch on Chris Tucker. Jason has…feelings.
Jackie Chan arrives in Hollywood!
Don Cheadle, we love you!
The search for Detective Carter!
Buster Keaton!
This movie is racist!
Black people and Asian people!
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I can't do the other one. So I'm your other co-host, Arya Loverett.
SPEAKER_03No, I I just want to point out how much I hate that voice.
SPEAKER_02It is a lot.
SPEAKER_03I almost start calling you Corbin. This Jason S. Loverett, actually. Not Chris Tucker. That flawless imitation. Uh might have confused some of the listeners. Oh, okay. Yeah, we're uh we're doing a Chris Tucker film, and there's probably a couple of Chris Tucker's film Chris Tucker films we could see. There's only two that I think would be obviously relevant for our podcast. One is The Fifth Element, which is a movie I Don't Care For. And the other movie is Rush Hour, which is a movie I don't care for. But we're doing that one this week.
SPEAKER_02I find that interesting. Like, sure it's a Chris Tucker movie, but I definitely have always thought of it more as uh a Jackie Chan movie than a Chris Tucker movie.
SPEAKER_03Oh sure. But the fact is that Chris Tucker is like the sec the second the second lead.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03I mean, like, if Rush Hour 2 starred a completely different black person, then I think we could safely say this these are Jackie Chan movies. But all three movies star the same two guys. So I think we have to not be mean and give credit to the fact that Chris Tucker is uh at least uh attempting to carry 50% of the load. Jackie Chan is capable of carrying that whole load and doesn't need Chris Tucker, but just saying he is there. Let's not let's not let's not be rude to one of the most annoying actors the African American community has ever produced. So anyway, if you would like this to turn into the Chris Tucker podcast where it just devolves into me just talking shit about Chris Tucker until his people find out and send us cease and desist, you can reach out to let us know at adult siblings versus at gmail.com. We also are all over social media. Mostly you can find us at adult siblings versus in most places, although you can find us at blue sky at adult siblings vs. Okay, so RL. Yay uh what's the nostalgia for this week? I'm actually kind of curious because I know exactly where where where I land on this, but I'm very curious of where you do.
SPEAKER_02Um I feel like I was uh a good age for when Jackie Chan like properly broke into American markets. So like I though I feel like because I feel like you know the big pairing is rush hour and uh Shanghai Noon. I definitely liked Shanghai Noon more, I remember. But like But like Rush Hour was like also fine. Like I like I I think I was like fairly enough into it. I think um I think I was m more appreciative of like the one-liners that happened as a as a you know what was this 1998 as a 10-year-old than maybe uh I am now. But uh yeah, I was like pretty like, yeah, this is it's a fun time. And uh yeah, that's kind of like not not my favorite, but I don't think I didn't dislike it.
SPEAKER_03At the time, you're saying you're talking about it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_02At the time, like as a as a as a as a youth, I was pretty pretty uh pretty into it.
SPEAKER_03For me, I remember this actually pretty well, and I was remembering it more as I was watching this today. Um I had recently discovered Jackie Chan. Um, and like before this, I was one of many Americans who was very intrigued by Rumble and the Bronx.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I watched that movie exactly once. I was at somebody's house, there we were watching a bootleg. I remember that very specifically. And I remember being excited because this was Jackie Chan coming to America properly for the first time. And I didn't know Chris Tucker at all.
SPEAKER_02I mean, he he did have uh a small part in in a movie in the early 80s that did not go well. He had to play someone who was Japanese, which he was not very in into. But like no one remembers that. It doesn't matter.
SPEAKER_03Oh no, no. I obviously he he he's done American movies, but this is his first proper starring thing. Starring role where he's like, you know, has a name. Like people know who he is. It's just that people hadn't Okay. It was like Jackie Chan, and then like six months later, Jet it was Jet Li. That were like the two big names at this time that were crossing over from China to the United States, right? It was like in fact, there's the uh a movie that Jackie was talked about starring in was a movie that Jet Li got cast in and ended up being his big introduction to America, which was Lethal Weapon 4. Presumably Jackie did not take that role for the same reason he didn't take the role of Simon Phoenix in Demolition Man and say he didn't want to play a villain. But also, this is a starring role, so this is better. But yeah, this was like kind of the beginning of like kind of like a Chinese martial arts craze that was kind of starting to bleed into um to Hollywood like over the over the course of the next couple years. Um and Jackie was really at the front of it, and gently and like Chow Young Fat right behind them. And you know, as we'll talk about this movie, did obviously did well and and cemented Jackie as like uh uh an actor that American audiences definitely wanted to see, would definitely pay money for. And then obviously, you know, his backlog started becoming very popular, like a lot of straight to straight to video movies of his theatrical releases from from Hong Kong. And all this is to say that when I watched Rush Hour as during that time, I was like, this feels like diet, Jackie Chan. Yeah, I I never liked Rush Hour, I watched it once that I can remember, and I kept thinking like this is like not as good as Jackie's other movies, and Chris Tucker's fucking annoying.
SPEAKER_02It's so funny because like I definitely because of you and probably like your these similar opinions that you expressed when we were were young, I definitely had like in my mind that like kind of like the cool sophisticates know about like Jackie Chan's backlog and the plebs are just sent to rush hour. And so I remember I feel like I was like trying to be better, like I was like, like I wanted to be like, yeah, Rumble and the Bronx and Drunken Master, but I also was a plebe.
SPEAKER_03So like so perhaps I had that attitude, but I don't think in practice I was doing very good because one, uh I don't think I was very good in watching the proper movies from his back catalog, because the ones I remember the most was Rumble and the Bronx, which I watched once, Who Am I, which I also watched once, Operation Condor, which may not, it was all is a weird thing. There's a weird film series that may not even have the right name or the right numbering. It's it's weird. And not Drunken Master, because I still haven't seen Drunken Master.
SPEAKER_02Is that really? Oh, that's interesting. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I've not seen Drunken Master, I've not seen the Super Cop movies.
SPEAKER_02I've actually not I've actually not seen Oh, so you haven't seen like any like police story?
SPEAKER_03No, nope, no City Hunter either.
SPEAKER_02Oh man. Hmm. We should we we have we have a lot of Jackie Chan movies here at some point. We should let you like borrow some of the guessing criterions and stuff.
SPEAKER_03But I do, but I did watch Who Am I, which is the most important movie for disography. But I didn't watch the beginning. I didn't see the beginning of it. But I do remember Jackie and like a mountain going like Whoo. Now Rush Hour 2 I actually saw multiple times, and I actually saw that in theaters.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it's so funny because watching this, there were like moments like that I realized like upon watching this movie were actually in the second movie, and it's like, oh, I I I did not realize the second movie had such uh an impact on me. Like like the whole like uh Chris Stuckers singing, like, don't stop till you get enough and stuff. Um, I forgot that that was in the second movie.
SPEAKER_03We're going longer with this than we showed up, but I do want to point out that Don Cheeto is in Rush Hour 2 in a in like a very small role.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I was like waiting for Don Cheetle, and then I was like, Oh, am I getting confused? But yeah, another thing. We're wrong movie.
SPEAKER_03This that is the first time I ever saw Don Cheeto in anything, and I loved him in that one scene. And looking back on it, especially when we're gonna talk about casting for this film, Don Cheeto would have been the perfect actor to hire to be in this role for uh for Carter. He just wasn't famous enough to be considered. He's good at comedy, he can he's he can be very physical, especially back then, and he is like you know, he's he's a good actor, obviously. That's like the number one thing. And, you know, like it would have been a perfect choice, he just wasn't famous enough to to to bring in. And looking at who they were trying to get, I'm and who they settled with, I'm just very upset. Anyway, that's probably enough nostalgia because I went long. Um, shall we talk? Shall I talk about this movie a little bit?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, how did this come to be?
SPEAKER_03Good news. I do not have nearly as much about this as I did about the Wild Wild West.
SPEAKER_00Okay.
SPEAKER_03So, Rush Hour is a 1998 film directed by uh uh Brett Ratner, alleged sex fiend, Brett Ratner.
SPEAKER_02Sorry, folks, it's so hard. It's so hard covering these things. Hollywood's the worst, men are the worst, directors are monsters. Sorry. Yes.
SPEAKER_03Uh with screenplay by Jim Koff and and Ross uh La Mana. Anyway, uh the budget for this film is a little contested, it's up to 35 million, which is solid money for '98. It's not a cheap movie. Uh, but the box office was 245 uh.3 million dollars. So just to put it in retrospect, this movie is a lot cheaper than say Wild Wild West. And so that was big, that's a big hit. So the original script was written by Ross Lamana uh in 1995, and it was sold to Hollywood Pictures, which is owned by Disney. So this is a secret Disney movie.
SPEAKER_02Oh, well, dog got it. Why weren't you on Disney Plus?
SPEAKER_03It's be interesting. I don't know who currently owns those rights because those those studios that Disney owned, but because like you know, Disney owned a couple of studios that they didn't put their name on so they could release non-Disney films um and not ruin the Disney image because they were very concerned about that for like the first 60 years of their existence. And then you know, Touchstone is the most famous one, I think, but there's other ones, and I don't know if Disney still has control of all those ones that have existed, you know. So maybe Hollywood Pictures isn't quite in the Disney family anymore, or maybe someone owns the the rights to to rush hour that's not Disney, and so it's just not on there. I don't know. Seems like a good Hulu film if Disney owned it, you know?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Um but anyway, um, so supposedly the original script uh was about a hostage negotiator who teams up with her FBI investigator husband to to find some bombs. So obviously, there was a lot of changes between that original script and to what we actually saw during the pre-production. Brett Ratner, uh a director who was called out by hashtag MeToo a number of years ago and is since exiled himself to Israel, uh, was brought in relatively early in the process to participate in the film's development. So he was in there from from pretty early on. Also, he directed a uh morally bankrupt documentary about the first lady uh recently, so he's awful.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I did not know he was the director. Oh yeah!
SPEAKER_03That's his big comeback, actually.
SPEAKER_02Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
SPEAKER_03Because he hasn't made films since like Me Too. He's been hiding in Israel this whole time, and this was him coming back. And supposedly they said that uh this is this is not confirmed, this is the rumor that uh Um Trump had offered him backing to make movies again if he starts by making a documentary about his wife. And Amazon, who's you know, owned by semi-professional supervillain Jeff Bezos, uh was like, This sounds like a great idea. I'll definitely uh distribute it.
SPEAKER_02Cool, cool, cool, cool, cool, cool.
SPEAKER_03Cool it's like an axis of evil situation.
SPEAKER_02Everything's fine, we're fine.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. It bombed, and the movie can currently be found in the gutter, which is where Brett Ratner belongs as well. Anywho, at some point it was decided to make this film a buddy cop feature, and it would have an Asian man and a black man starring in it, which itself is actually kind of a novel thing, especially considering it was 98.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03Uh Jackie Chan was the top choice that several people on the production side were fighting for. Uh, as we mentioned before, Jackie Chan had just had his breakout in America, Rumble and the Bronx, which was not an American movie, but uh was in New York and featured a heavyset black woman as a supporting character in it, if I recall. And I really want to watch Rumble and the Bronx in uh I'm assuming it's in Cantonese as a Hong Kong film, but I'd like to see it in the original language to see if that black lady is speaking in Cantonese. So she's dubbed really bad in the in the in the version that I saw as a kid. Anyway, uh but Rumble and the Bronx had broken through, and now all Americans were were starting to devour his past filmography as much as they could get, as much as they were allowed to have. So his name, he had become a name, not a top name, but a name that a lot of people had. And and judging by the fact that that even as early as the as 92, people wanted him to star in their action films, it's pretty obvious that Hollywood's producers and directors knew who he was well before the American people did, and had been trying to figure out how to get him over here. Uh this would be his first proper American production, like his first starring role. And also, it would be one of the only times before this that he had ever spoke English live in his films rather than dubbing it later. Like he it's interesting that he every time I've ever seen a Jackie Chan movie, it's dubbed, but it's always Jackie Chan speaking English for himself, as I always thought was kind of interesting. Now I have to point out that apparently Ratner has said that he was the one that convinced Chan to do that. Because uh Chan because Chan had initially said, I'm just going to dub my English as normal, and Ratner convinced him to just do it live. Now, the IMDB page that told me that trivia kept saying the word claims when uh when it was saying what Brett Ratner was saying. And it said multiple times. So take that how you'd like. There were concerns about whether or not America would be properly receptive to Chan, but like I said, um he had a lot of fans on the side. Brett Ratner was very gung-ho about bringing him in, so they opted to take the risk. It's one of the few times that Hollywood took a risk, I think. It's supposed to be involved someone who wasn't white. Uh the casting of Carter was interesting because there was actually a long list of black actors and comedians who were tagged to possibly star, none of whom were Don Cheadle, which is very upsetting because Don Cheadle is the obvious choice to me, but he's just not famous. The list does contain what I would say it would be the usual suspects of black entertainers of this era. So here's who was tagged Martin Lawrence, sure, Wesley Snipes, sure, Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, Dave Chappelle, sure, and Tupac for some reason. Now, hey, Tupac had been doing some movies around the time this would have been pre-production, so I remember him from a different world.
SPEAKER_02Like I know he can do things.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Murphy turned it down because to so he could star in Holy Man. A move he later admitted he regretted. Snipes, who I think if you're not gonna if if Don Chido is not famous enough, then I think Wesley Snipes is the is the obvious person to put in there because he's very physical, he can do comedy, and he would actually look like Jackie Chan's equal in a movie like that. But he turned it down to go do Blade, which was the correct decision.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_03Now Lawrence supposedly was Jackie Chan's first choice to play opposite him, but he turned it down due to money. And and Shakur and Secure, uh Tupac Secure turned it down due to having been murdered over a year before filming started.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. You know, it's always hard when you come up with mortality conflicts.
SPEAKER_03So Chris Tucker is the one who ultimately got the role. He had just worked with Ratner on the movie called Money Talks, and that's probably how that came to be. I'm assuming that he was inexpensive, and that's the main reason that inexpensive and available, not an unknown. He had been in plenty of movies. Uh Friday. Yeah, yeah. I think the fifth element had come out before this, so he would have been in a high-profile genre film at this point. You know, Ariel, uh, well, I might mention this later. You know, Will Smith was not on that list, you noticed. Uh I did. But uh, I was watching this movie, and all I could think of is like if I was taking my son out to get to go go tell my son out to go shopping, and then he saw Will Smith in a window, and he was like, Hey, can we go talk to Will Smith? And I'm like, No, son. We have Will Smith at home, and it's Chris Dugger.
SPEAKER_02Oh gosh, that's yeah. Oh yeah, and also uh fifth element was 1997, so people Yeah, yeah, okay, for sure.
SPEAKER_03Okay. Um, so yeah, so this movie was a big hit and got two sequels made from it. Ironically, though, and Aryo may maybe this comes up in this biography. I don't know. You can you tell me. But I have read that that Chan as recently as 2012, but apparently he has said this in several interviews over the years, he's indicated that uh he doesn't care for this film, in some ways suggested it might be his least favorite film he's ever done. And I don't know, I I saw the tuxedo, so I don't know if he if that's if that's right, but apparently uh he stated one, he doesn't like the way he speaks English in that movie. Kind of leaning a little credence to the idea that he wanted to dub himself and wasn't allowed to. He apparently legitimately could not understand anything Chris Tucker was saying. And by the way, apparently that joke about like, do you understand the words that are coming out of my mouth was supposedly based off of their first meeting. Like after Tucker was cast, Chan flew out to meet him, and Tucker, you know, he talked the way Chris Tucker does, like really fast and high-pitched. And Chan, you know, smiled and nodded and then talked over to someone that I do not understand the words that are coming out of that man's mouth. And someone thought that was funny and put it in the movie. But uh, but yeah, he's he he he says that he greatly prefers his Hong Kong films because they have a lot more and a lot longer fight scenes. That was the thing that he that bothered him about this movie. Not enough fight scenes that he and he's right.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03This is a weirdly boring movie, yeah.
SPEAKER_02I I think like uh because by the time you know we get to his autobiography, like he's older and a bit softened. I think uh I I like his I feel like the way he talked about it, maybe it's just like more appreciative of the fact that like it was like the thing that like got him properly in the American market and was such like a stepping stone. And I and I I and like from what I can remember listening to it, he he didn't dwell as much on on those things, but more. But like, but then again, he didn't all he also didn't talk about rush hour that much. But so like, you know, obviously, way way more time in that book is spent on his projects in Hong Kong and stuff.
SPEAKER_03Uh I I I will say that in the interviews, even when he was saying he didn't like this movie, he did clearly say like he respects how much money this movie made and what it did for his career. But he just prefers his Hong Kong work, which I think is fair.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean it's it's his work. It's and and he he talks a lot about like, you know, really having control over the action and really wanting specific things and pushing and all this stuff and and having his his team that he like curated. So like, yeah, I can see him being like, I I want my stuff.
SPEAKER_03Before we move on, I need to point a couple things out because of how much trash I talked about Brett Ratner and what I said about Chris Tucker. It's only fair that I make sure that I because I'm gonna have a lot of nice things to say about Jackie Chan over the course of this movie, but it's only fair that I make it known that Chan's politics are maybe a bit questionable, maybe a little too pro-Chinese government for my taste, considering some of the horrible stuff and crazy um fierce laws that they have. He is also a deadbeat dad, for sure. Has a daughter he's never met. It maybe not even be been the best dad to his own like his own legitimate son, who's to say, oh, they've they've reconciled now. But he definitely did say very publicly, I'm giving away all my money to charity, he's not getting anything.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, he definitely has that kind of mindset of uh you're you're your flying coach kind of thing. And I I I do not think uh because also not a good husband. Um he definitely cheats on his wife.
SPEAKER_03That's how that's how he became a deadbeat dad.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah. Uh I I don't uh yes, I I I think uh he has never really had a a good uh relationship with women. Like I think his his um his his like uh views on like uh like romantic relationships with women are are not not great, not good. But uh yeah. And it's one of those things because like I mentioned before is like he kind of talks about like some of the bad things that he has done in his uh in his autobiography. Um and you gotta always remember it's an autobiography. So these are the things that he's willing to share. Like there's probably more.
SPEAKER_03Alright, that's it. I'm done talking. So Ariel, I was gonna watch this, but I turned it on, and then not only was Chris Talker talking, but then he started doing Michael Jackson dancing, and they really made me feel like, oh, this is a double whammy. I don't know if I can handle this, unless and then I woke up and my hands were covered in blood. Message blood. So uh can you go ahead and tell people what I missed?
SPEAKER_02Sure. Let's let's uh get things rolling. Alright, so this movie starts off taking place in uh Hong Kong. They're basically at the end of British rule in Hong Kong in 1997. This also like uh emphasizes my lack of like Chinese knowledge because I did not know that uh like for some reason I thought this had just happened earlier than 1997, but I'm dumb.
SPEAKER_03Oh, no, I actually I actually remember the day it happened. It was a real big deal. I remember watching it on TV, like when the changeover happened. I you well Yeah, you were like 10 or I guess nine, right? So so yeah, I'm not surprised you don't remember.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. But anyhoops, this is happening. So we uh we have um uh basically uh uh uh like go while there's like a special event kind of like you know saying goodbye to like uh the the like british delegates and stuff, um we have uh Jackie Chan's character Lee who's uh doing uh a raid on this crime lord's uh Jun uh Jun Tao, like uh this crime lord who has done plenty of stuff, stolen a lot of Chinese artifacts, uh, while he doesn't catch Jun Tao or his like right-hand man uh Seng, he is able to um basically um recover a lot of uh Chinese artifacts and bring them back to like uh the Hong Kong government. And uh Chinese consul uh Solan Han is like its best friend and he basically is able to kind of like as a celebration of like you know new independence, we also have this thing. So you cut forward to um months later, Consul Han is now like working as like a delegate in the US. He also has a s uh a young daughter, uh Su Young, um, who is also like uh uh Lee is so close to that family that like Su Young is essentially like a niece to to Lee. Lee is uh is still like a detective back in Hong Kong. Um, but uh Han and his daughter Su Young kind of getting used to like being in the US, and Soo Young is taken um to school, you know, being uh getting driven there and gets stopped and kidnapped by who we see is uh Sang, um, one of the kind of henchmen to this like mysterious bad guy that we have not met yet. Um, and so she gets ransomed. The FBI becomes involved, and uh uh Han is like, you gotta get my guy, you gotta get Lee. Um, like he's a detective that I trust, and he's been dealing with this. You know, he did that raid, bring him over. The FBI um does not want to involve like a member of the Hong Kong like government, that they have like a Chinese guy here. It's like they're just like, uh, it's gonna muddy the waters, and now it's gonna become like a whole incident and blah, blah, blah. We don't want to have to deal with this guy. And so they need so they decide that they need someone to like watch him and keep him out of the investigation. And they kind of come to the conclusion of just, you know, pedaling this off to like the LAPD. Meantime, we meet, um, uh, we meet uh Detective Carter. Um, this is played by Chris Tucker. Um, he's that kind of just brashed, self-aggrandizing, troublemaking, kind of loudmouth uh cop. Like he does his job, but he also causes a lot of destruction. So his whole department is like, you're the fucking worst. Um and uh his kind of commander decides to kind of uh pass this assignment on to him because no one wants to be a babysitter. And so that's how these two get together. Um Carter is in charge of watching Lee. Lee is trying to actually do the investigation. They butt heads, and also Carter wants to be an FBI guy. He wants to like be given respect and he's mad that he has to be um just like a dude just watching um some like foreign, not not foreign dignitary, but like Yeah. And so eventually, like after they keep butting heads, they start to work together and they're trying to basically kind of get around the FBI to like do the real work of finding Su Young, um, and they become buddies in the buddy cop situation as time goes on, and they end up saving her and finding out that Jun Tao is actually um like the kind of big British delegate guy, Griffin, and it's like, of course, when in doubt, it's the fucking colonizer.
SPEAKER_03They never actually I don't think they ever say exactly what that guy's job was.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I'm not sure.
SPEAKER_03Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Oh yeah, uh yeah, uh let's see. I don't know. Uh Wikipedia says a British police commander. That doesn't sound right.
SPEAKER_03Oh, you know what? Maybe that makes sense because he was they were talking about police stuff there and that they were giving um leaving the police work in the hands of the native Hong Kong folks and in his toast, so that might that might that might make sense.
SPEAKER_02Okay. Well, British guy, police commander dude Griffin, who um really inserts himself into things, uh, is is secretly the the crime boss June town, just like causing causing shit, blowing up shit, getting paid, being the worse, trying to get the artifacts back. Yeah. So yeah, that's just the long and short of it.
SPEAKER_03Okay. So I am gonna say this right off the bat, that I appreciate the dynamic between the two leads better than the movie we just watched. Wild Wild West.
SPEAKER_02I agree. I I I I was gonna like I was thinking like watching Wild, Wild West before this movie does help this movie.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, it does, it's for sure. Because like that movie, they were just hostile to each other the whole time. They are basically each other's secondary antagonists for that film, right? And while this movie does have them being hostile towards each other at first, it's the typical thing of like these two alpha males in a buddy cop situation. Uh, it's kind of typical two alpha males forced to work together, but then over the course of the movie they respect each other and become friends. Whereas, like, that doesn't really quite happen that way in Wild Wild West. So I appreciate that dynamic. I don't necessarily think that they have great chemistry together, you know, like that the way I I I would prefer. And even though this movie is supposed to be these two guys on even keel, it is very obvious that uh one of them is very capable and competent, and the other one is Chris Tucker.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And that hurts it. I think that if Wesley Snipes or even Don Cheadle were in this, I think they'd be able to maintain that balance in a way that doesn't come off like comedy sidekick. Eddie Murphy might have been able to do it too, but like I I think that uh an actor who was not a comedian would probably be better to not come off like a sidekick. And uh anyway, um, I'm trying to talk about good things right now, uh, not things I didn't like. Um Jackie Chan's fucking great in this movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03I agree with him that this is not the best usage of the Jackie Chan brand. There's a lot less fights in this than your typical Jackie Chan film, and the ones that do happen are very fast, they don't last very long. But Jackie Chan has a very inherent charm that is very prominent even for a Hollywood movie star. There's a genuineness to his charm that say someone like Will Smith doesn't quite have, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And then you combine that with the fact that Jackie Chan might be the the best physical actor since the silent movie days.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I completely agree. You think about like, you know, like Buster Keaton getting into shit and the way things happen so fast, and like, you know, you just have just just a hair away from destruction and here or there, and you're like, how do they pull that off? Yeah, I I think you're right that there are very similar vibes, and I'm a I'm a big Buster Keaton gay.
SPEAKER_03I think I believe uh Jackie Chan was too, actually. I think that was like his big influence.
SPEAKER_02It that makes a lot of sense.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Charlie Chaplin probably was in there as well. Um, but he's he's very good at comedic timing, he's very good at facial expressions, he's very good at biolinguage, and you combine all those all those things, and he's just an extremely entertaining per person to watch, and you don't need him to speak for that to be the case. His fight scenes are very goofy, but coordinated in a way that is just unbelievable. You can't imagine it gets hard to focus how a human being can actually do this, and then he'll make a facial expression. Because this is what's to me, this is what separates him from a lot of other Hong Kong um action stars of his era, in that I think he's just very good at just expressing himself, other than just stoic tough guy who's good at martial arts. Like he's he really just comes off like a like a regular Joe who happens to be the greatest fighter in the world in any given movie that he's in, and the look of panic and like nervousness that he has in his fights is so distinct. Like you look at his fight and you're like, oh shit, he's not sure if he's gonna live through this either.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, like and that's and it's very purposeful. Like when he was like starting to like make his way, because like he started as you know, an extra stunt guy on Bruce Lee movies, and and there was like a stint where like Hong Kong filming, like they were like kind of like trying to make him the next Bruce Lee, um, which he kind of like knew wasn't really gonna work. He considered he considers himself like not attractive, which I find funny, um, because I like he's always been like a cutie. Like you look at his like old movies, like what whatever. But he kind of found his like because he didn't consider himself like a handsome guy, he like started this kind of every everyman thing, um, and like what you're like very rightly observing, like the regular guy who's trying to like get through. And for me, because like you know, I've I've trained a lot of stage combat stuff, you know, and and which includes uh uh like unarmed, and there's a lot that has to happen with the storytelling of a fight, and your reactions are really important to sell what's happening, and and I think it is so much like so much more interesting and so important to have your fuck yeah, fuck no, like the oh no, oh yeah of fighting when like things are not going well. You gotta have your oh no. This actually worked. You gotta have your oh yeah. And I think there are just like few people who I can think of who are so good at really uh laying out those emotional journeys in his fights, and they're they're so much more better for it. Because like, and it's probably one of the reasons why he's been so so successful because those things are universal. You can tell a full story without necessarily speaking the same language, and you can you know so much about the character just from the way he fights and the way he deals with stuff. It's it's so smart. Yeah, it's a good set.
SPEAKER_03I don't think that this is the best example of from Jackie Chan's photography of this. There's probably numerous better ones, but that aspect helped me a lot in this movie. I I almost was like, oh, I want to see what happens next, just because I want to see more Jackie Chan. But I should probably just watch other Jackie Chan movies. It's probably what I should just do. Yeah. Um that's uh that's it. That's all I that's all the positive things I have to say about the rush hour.
SPEAKER_02You know, one thing I was thinking of like watching this, because this feels like kind of like an intro to Jackie Chan. I found it funny the way like this movie starts in Hong Kong with a police raid, like uh and and then in Jackie Chan as this, you know, prominent detective, because it kind of feels like it it's it's like you're you're taking Jackie Chan out of the world that he was in and now introducing him to the US because like the idea of like you know, some of his like really famous stuff, you have your police story series, um, that he is very, very known for. And it's kind of funny that like you kind of start with this movie in kind of that world, and then he crosses into the the US, and like I I find that kind of um parallel um storytelling interesting, and yeah, I I I thought that kind of aspect was cool. It's like this is what he has done, and we're kind of moving this guy into our world.
SPEAKER_03I okay, okay. I'm gonna start saying some bad stuff, but I'm going to save I'm gonna save the thing I hate the most for for last. Okay. But I think I have three main points. So I don't want to keep us here all day talking shit about this movie, but I got three main issues with this movie, and I'll just kind of stick to them. Number one, this movie is strangely boring for an action film. It feels like there's just like long stretches of just nothing interesting happening, and it seems like a cardinal sin in a movie like this.
SPEAKER_02It kind of feels like you're stuck in rush hour.
SPEAKER_03When the exciting stuff happens, it's pretty good, but it's like, you know, it's just you know, a lot of talking. Like, there's a long stretch of like Jackie and and Chris just talking to each other. Well, Chris talking at Jackie and Jackie having no idea what he's saying.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03As you probably guess, I uh do not like Chris Tucker in this movie. I find him to be so incredibly f annoying. Like it's not just Chris Tucker, but uh Chris Tucker does a lot of ad-libs and he's a very distinct comedic style, so I imagine that a lot of stuff was like worked for him. So, you know, if it was a different actor, this might have been different. But Carter just fucking sucks. He just sucks, and having Chris Tucker's annoying ass voice does not do anything to help.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the it's it's hard because like he he doesn't really uh he doesn't really have like redeeming qualities. Like it's really hard because it's like on top of like um you know, you can you you can be like a a kind of like uh I'm a I'm a a hothead police guy who doesn't follow the rules, but I get things done. But like on top of that, like you have to have the really crappy way that he interacts with Lee. Like uh the language barrier, he's super like um racist about it, and it's very annoying. He's also super sexist. He is just like flat out, like uh sexually harassing uh Detective Johnson. Like she like, and and of course, because they're in like a fucking like LEPD police department in the 90s, she doesn't have any recourse. He's not like he's not getting the message from HR about the shit that he says to her. Uh it's it's quite a bummer, and it it you can't, it is it is hard to root for Carter.
SPEAKER_03It's very easy to see why the whole department hates him so much.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, yeah, yeah. That is true.
SPEAKER_03I was about to complain about a scene like he's he waves his gun around all the time. He points it at people all the time. Yeah, he seems to be really in bed with a lot of criminals. It's kind of hard to understand exactly. I think I guess the the best I can wait I can play is that he's from the hood, and a lot of people he grew up with are criminals who he's friends with, I guess.
SPEAKER_02I mean, there's his cousin.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I mean, I think I think that like I think this comes up in the next movie as well, right? Like I think. Um, but but like I said, I don't go in too deep with it. The sequence we're introduced to him is such uh insanely bad police work.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And the fact that he that a cop got killed, the fact that a cop got killed in that situation, uh, he should have been fired. And I understand, like, you know, this is his punishment is to is to work with Lee, but it's I that got that Oh, uh the a cop did not get killed. Oh, yeah, he didn't get shot. I'm gonna say I'm gonna say he got shot. A cop got shot. He lost a pinky, he said. Because it seems like that might have been an a an unauthorized um undercover operation, which is already super not good in the police department. That got a cop shot, and then he started shooting a gun in public at a car full of C4. Although good shots, though. Sure. Um, and although I will say, one of the few times that I laughed from what something that he said, one of the few times that I laughed on what something Chris Augger said was in they're kind of listing off all the bad things he did, and then one of the things that he said was like half you have to explain, still a little bit left.
SPEAKER_02I agree. That that definitely made me laugh. That that whole exchange.
SPEAKER_03But that also kind of leads me to my last thing here, and this is a racist ass movie.
SPEAKER_02Yeah.
SPEAKER_03And the source of most of that racism is Chris Tucker's character. Yeah. And I was shocked by the level of ignorance displayed by the character throughout the movie.
SPEAKER_00Yeah.
SPEAKER_03The movie kind of positions as being funny and fine.
SPEAKER_02This this was the exact thing I was worried about coming into re-watching this, because I was like, without fully remembering what it was, like what like the the details of this movie. It's like, nah, I I feel like this is gonna be a lot of Chris Tucker being racist to Jackie Chan. And it was.
SPEAKER_03It was so many racist things. I can't list them all, but there's so much. But one thing that stuck out with me is that uh so they're in Chinatown, they've when they're getting the food, and he says his ra was racist shit or whatever. And I believe he says something to Lee where he's like, you know, talking about Lee's authenticity like you're Chinese or Japanese or whatever you are. And I was really thinking, like, how the fuck could you not know by this point? You've been with him for like. Like how long? You're in Chinatown? Why are you still saying he's Japanese and you don't you can't decide a distinction between those two things? It wasn't just racist. It was like it didn't make sense for where his character was at that point in the film. It's just to me, it was just like probably Chris Tucker ad lipping and saying that, and then Brad Radder going like, haha, this is gold.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, it seems like just like being rude for being rude, because like, yeah, he knows he's Chinese. It's a rude thing to to say, to be like, you know, whatever kind of Asian you are. Like, he's just doing that to be a dick.
SPEAKER_03Um, we talked about this a little bit in the last episode at the very end, because we're talking about this movie, but I will reiterate it here. One of my big pet peeves uh in my own community, in our own community, is this kind of idea that some people have that because racism is dis is directly tied to power, then therefore it is impossible for black people to be racist. Now, I think that there's a lot that can be deconstructed about that phrase, and I would even maybe support that there's a potential that being racist against a white person has so much baggage attached to it that maybe you can make an argument that it's hard for a black person to properly be racist against a white person. I think that's there's a fair argument to be made there. But this is a black person for like two hours being racist, being racist, for sure.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. I this kind of makes me think of uh when I was taking uh a US diversity class uh in undergrad in West Michigan, uh so uh being like the only black woman in a in a sea of whites. And like one of the things our our our our our blessed woman teacher, who a lot of the white guys in the class kind of ignored, um, was talking about like the idea of like sometimes you can cat like some people define like racism as something that is institutional, as in like saying institutional like racism is a little redundant and being racist includes having that power to keep someone disenfranchised, and that and as opposed to prejudice was isn't institutional. So like what and so like racial prejudice versus racism is is a differentiating thing that some people do. So you might say that Carter is ex in and Chris Tucker is exhibiting extreme racial prejudice, and and that's one way to differential differentiate those things and and and one way to say that like say a black person can't be racist to a white person, blah blah. But like you can still find ways to disenfranchise other people. So like it it it's you know, but depending on like how you're defining things, yeah. But either way, it's awful, and it's uh like I I said before, the way I have been, you know, I feel like these are always like CTA stories, but the way I've seen, you know, uh black people say just like horrible race, racial, racist shit to to Asian people, it just like on the train, usually on the train, just just it it really sucks.
SPEAKER_03The most racist things I heard consistently growing up were black people talking about Asian people.
unknownYeah.
SPEAKER_03Like for sure. Like when I was talking about this this kind of new era of like Hong Kong stars coming over and into America, and you know, martial arts films from China making it like where like Crouch and Tiger Hidden Dragon being the err example, I think. You better goddamn believe that I heard a shit ton of racist shit all the time from people, casually and not maliciously, but just standard. Like I people making you know, wachao, wachaw noises, people not understanding that there was any difference between between these films and Japanese films. Yeah, I mean it's just constant, constant. I say all that, and I'm gonna repeat what we said last time. For as racist as I've heard this from the black community, the Asian community, both the East Asian and South Asian community, are both notorious for ra being racist against against black people in numerous ways. Um, this is a common thing with a lot of non-black minded. I I I've said this before, I feel like like Latino folks are like the one group that haven't done this. But I feel like whenever there's like a group of people who immigrate over time, they get they decide, oh, black people are the ones who are supposed to dislike. Okay, let me hop on that train.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, the attempt to avoid ire of white people, you're trying to get as far as far away from black people, and it's like it's it sucks.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. The amount of times it's been suggested to me that I was not allowed to interact with somebody's parents, not even just people I was dating, but just people I knew, because of them trying to dance around by saying that their parents hate black people, is uh kind of stunning. Uh so anyway, the fact is Chris Tucker says a lot of racist shit in this movie. I think that a lot of this is him saying it off the cuff.
SPEAKER_02I think it's really interesting, like with that and Chris Tucker, like, but like in in with like black people and the the racial self with Asian cultures, because also like black people are very interested in various like Asian pop culture things. Like, obviously, you have the error of like, you know, growing up with kung fu movies and and having this uh uh affection for it, like many um black people, African Americans do, and then you also have like um the later generations that are are more in our world and even more now of like young black people who like love anime and stuff like that. And so like it is a very interesting like mix of of of interest, but also this weird dynamic where like a lot of racism happens.
SPEAKER_03If we ever do Dragon Ball on this podcast, I have a lot to say about black people and their perception of of race in that in that series.
SPEAKER_02Oh, about it didn't Piccolo's Black, isn't that a thing?
SPEAKER_03No, not just Piccolo's black, but that is one of them. But there's also like this a huge amount of of black people, black fans of Dragon Ball, consider Saiyans to be almost like an analogy for the black experience. And so they see themselves in like Goku and Vegeta and the whole Saiyan people in a way that I think is very upsetting considering that they are a monkey people.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was about to say if if we ever do a you know a Dragon Ball Z episode, which I suppose we should, um, it will be interesting to like kind of look up some articles about this.
SPEAKER_03Anyway, um I think that this movie is shockingly racist considering that the person they're putting all their hopes and dreams on is the race they're constantly making fun of. This is weird to me. It'd be like if you had a black movie, or not black movie, a movie with a black actor, and everyone else in the movie was not black, but he's the biggest star in the film, and everyone could kept everyone just kept saying the n-word at him. Okay, let's say if it was a a movie starring a black person and it was directed by Quentin Tarantino, that's what it would be like. It's like I just don't understand why everyone has to say the N-word.
SPEAKER_02It's like, dear Quentin Tarantino, stop making everyone say the N-word and stop having everyone take turns hitting women.
SPEAKER_03If there's a Quentin Tarantino movie, there's at least a 30% chance that there's gonna be a feat somewhere, and that and that Tarantino is gonna have a cameo just so he could say something racist against a black person, no matter how bad his Australian accent is.
SPEAKER_02Oh boy.
SPEAKER_03I think that those are my main points. So I think I don't have much more to say.
SPEAKER_02So you know, one uh racial moment that gave me a little giggle, because I once again, uh Jackie Chan is charming, was uh when they were uh so they're like staking out this uh Chinese restaurant um trying to get the to Juntao and uh Carter decides to go in first and um and like Lee is like, well, like what am I supposed to do? And he like and and Carter gives him his um his FBI badge, like his FBI ID, to be like, just like flash this if you need it. And you look on it, look at like the ID, and it's like it's a picture of Carter, obviously, because it's his ID, and he has like a fro, and it's like it looks like oddly old, but like uh it like Lee looks at it and he's just like this this will never work. I'm not I'm not 6'1.
SPEAKER_03And like that's a that's a funny gag.
SPEAKER_02It's an old timey gag.
SPEAKER_03It's it's it's too bad that that wasn't what they were trying to do. Because apparently that picture was put in in post.
SPEAKER_00Oh.
SPEAKER_03And apparently I saw trivia that said that the team did that as an afterthought. They weren't even really thinking about it.
SPEAKER_02Oh, I see.
SPEAKER_03So, you know, that's that's not true.
SPEAKER_02So it's it's so it's a joke that happened to happen. Okay, well, as far as like other things that I thought um were good. Well, actually, I guess this is kind of getting more into like charactery things. Um, but like I I have a lot of thoughts about like Soo Young um and and um her story. One, I I love the dynamic between um Lee and Su Young. Like, I I think um, you know, uh when it comes to like, you know, genuine affection and emotion that um Jackie Chan is like really good at portraying. Like, um, I I think like the love and care uh for Su Young is very um uh very apparent. It's a it's a it's a sweet dynamic. And um and I and I and I think she's a really cute kid, like the way she likes, you know, sings Mariah Carey, like in the car, like and the the guys driving are just like Jesus Christ. I guess you can tell it that she like just listens to like pop songs probably every morning on the way, and they just have to deal with this young girl. And and I will say, when she gets kidnapped, she does all the right things, she does all the things you're supposed to do as a kid if someone is trying to abduct you. She is fighting, she is screaming the whole time. And I'm sure they didn't mean for this to happen, but like when she's being put in the van, you can see that there's just like a dude walking by on the sidewalk, like in the background. So now it just feels like there's like one fucking guy who can see andor hear this girl screaming and being kidnapped, and he's just like, Well, that's someone's someone else's fucking business, and just keeps walking.
SPEAKER_03Which sounds like Sounds like someone's having a bad day. Better get to work.
SPEAKER_02It's like you gotta reshoot that. You cannot have you cannot have someone else be visible while she's being kidnapped because it looks real bad. Um, and I I love the the push the goddamn button. So near the end, um, as you know, part of an insurance thing, you know, to like make sure that uh the FBI gives up the money. Uh uh Griffin and the gang put Su Young in like a C4 vest. It's just like, you know, if you don't give us the money, we'll blow her up. And um Carter um finds her, does part one of rescuing her. She's not fully rescued yet, because she's still got the fucking vest. But he's like trying to like kind of play chicken with the bad guys, and he's like, Yeah, yeah, push the button, blow her up. And he's like, play along. And she's like, Yeah, push the button, push the button, push the goddamn button. Like, she gets like extra into it, and it's just like it's she's cute. Also, Su Young is portrayed by uh Julia Su. Sue? Yeah, process.
SPEAKER_03Is that uh is that someone who's done any work since then, or is that just I don't think so.
SPEAKER_02Let's see. Nope. Pretty much just uh, and you know what? She's probably I I hope that she is living like a happy normal life since she did not become like a big child actor. Hopefully she um gets to be happy since it was only the one one movie.
SPEAKER_03I don't know if this is a good movie for characters. I think that the only one who has a really I don't know. I think the two leads are playing their Hollywood characters in a lot of ways, right? Like Jackie is kind of just the Jackie Chan character we will we will see a million times in these movies. And Chris Tucker, I think the only time I've ever seen Chris Tucker play not quite the Chris Tucker role was in the fifth element where he played something worse. I don't understand the FBI's motivations for anything that they do, so I'll say that that sucks.
SPEAKER_02They're they're also not good at their jobs. There's a lot of not a lot of being not good at their jobs here.
SPEAKER_03I can kind of see them not wanting to bring somebody in from out of the country if for no other reasons that like you know he's does he's not in the chain of command and there's also legal stuff there, but they seem really fucking hostile against it. And I can understand why they're hostile towards Chris Tucker, if that makes sense. Like he's it's just a Carter. Carter sucks so much in this, as we've as we've we've illustrated. Um but they also just seem to be dicks who seem that they have more of a control issue than than anything else. It seems like it's more about control, right? Like we don't want your help because this is our this is our thing.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, agent Agent Russ and Agent Whitney, not the best. Not the best. I will also say, as far as like characters go, because like one thing I was pretty excited about, because I think I think Sang, who is kind of like the main the he's the bad guy we see. Like he's the the one that like has this kind of ongoing thing with Lee. Um it's kind of like a bummer, because like to me, the fact that the last showdown with Sang is with Carter is kind of a bummer because there's such a big cat and mouse thing throughout this whole thing with Lee and Sang that like and like they're in there just like there's baggage there. Um, that I to me it feels um just like less satisfying that the showdown with him is with with Carter. Like I know that they decide like, well, the big bad's Griffin, so like that's where you know they're gonna land Jackie Chan. But like, I don't know. It just like to me it didn't feel as um satisfying as it would have.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I understand that, but they had to give Carter something to do in the finale.
SPEAKER_02But this is so so obviously when I first saw this movie, I did not know who the actor was, like, because he was new, little babyface, Ken Leong, who has been in so many other things since then, including recently hit Project Hail Mary, that's the most recent thing I've seen that actor in. And it's so Yeah, it's so funny to see this back to back because like it makes him look extra baby, like having just seen him. And you know, uh Ken Lee Young's like great in in Project Hail Mary, he's a fun guy. And so like it's just like, oh man, it is it is always uh fun to see uh I mean this must have been one of his like first roles. Like definitely probably his first like you know, big Hollywood thing, I would think. Before he got in, you know, this is pre-lost. So like I feel like this is probably his intro.
SPEAKER_03Uh interesting. Uh okay, so he's ch he's ch he's a he's Chinese to set, but he's actually an American actor. It's always I always find it interesting when but he speaks Cantonese, that's almost certainly like a big part of here. But I it's it's interesting that he that this often happens, they'll hire like uh an American actor speaks perfect English without an accent, very American, and they always have them play like a like villains with a thick accent, barely speaking.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and having to put one on, like, uh I there there are there are versions of this for for black people, but like just like the idea, like the in in and definitely like worse in the 90s, like I mean, you know, going to these auditions and and being told to, you know, uh whatever ethnicity you are ethnicking up how you're saying things by uh, you know, uh a table of white people, like uh, just just real shitty stuff.
SPEAKER_03You know what? This fucking guy was in uh X-Men the Last Stan. Yeah, which was also directed by Brett Ratner.
SPEAKER_02Didn't he like wasn't he like he had like spiky spikies in his face or something?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, he was uh it I want to save what I have to say about this guy until whenever whenever we uh eventually get around to this movie. Because his character is one of the most incorrect characters in the history of the X-Men franchise. But yes, he is the one with the with the spikes.
SPEAKER_02I think I mean since we're kind of talking about um characters, I want to give a a a shout out to Elizabeth Pinha. Um so this is Detective Johnson, who is in in Carter's department. So like uh Detective Johnson is like training in like bomb disposal and um working on like all of those techniques, and she ends up, you know, saving Soo Young's life when she's able to like you know clip the right cord to disarm the bomb. But uh, and I was like, as I'm like watching this, and I was just like, God, her voice is so smooth as butter, and I was like, and also familiar, and I had to look her up. She was the voice of Mirage in The Incredibles, also, and like that's where that awesome voice comes from. And I was like, God, why, you know, like why isn't she in more stuff? She should do, she should be doing voice acting left and right. And unfortunately, um, she had uh issues with alcoholism, and um she died pretty young. Um, and it is it is a bummer, um, because I just I love her voice. But yeah, and I and I also like I love Incredibles and uh Mirage is a fun character.
SPEAKER_03There's another guy in here who also was in The Million Things, who also passed away, and that's Chris Penn, who played the the the crook that Carter, yeah, Clive, the crook that Carter initially takes down in his introduction his uh the Sean Penn's brother. Uh but he passed away some years ago as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, very, very unfortunate.
SPEAKER_03He's kind of a guy who's played a lot a lot of the same character, though, I'll say.
SPEAKER_02Like, you know, like he Oh, sure, he got a type. But hey, you know, yeah. And it was so funny because like Griffin is played by Tom Wilkinson, who has uh a real shitty accent in Batman begins another one of those uh British guys trying to be New Yorkers kind of things, where it's just like, oh, that's a lot of garbage. Um, but he's also at the full Monty, which you know, you gotta love.
SPEAKER_03Alright, so uh Ariel, what would you give Rush Hour? A thumbs up, a thumbs down, or a thumbs somewhere in the middle?
SPEAKER_02It's hard. Cause like I I did not dislike this movie as much as Wild Wild West. I do like it more than that. But also, it is frustrating. But also, it is fun Jackie Chan stuff. Ugh. I don't know. It's like a low middle. Like, yeah, I I gotta I g I'm trying to be like discerning. It's it's it's middle y it's middly.
SPEAKER_03I would agree that this movie's better than Wow Wow West. However, I don't think that means that they both can't be thumbs down for me. So I'm gonna give it a thumbs down.
SPEAKER_02I I think that's fair.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I I think the movie's boring. I for a lot of it. I think that it's very uncomfortable to watch in 2026. It should have been more uncomfortable to watch in 1998, and I'm embarrassed that it wasn't. And really the only good thing about this is Jackie Chan, but you can watch other Jackie Chan movies where he's where their movies are better.
SPEAKER_02That's yeah, that's fair. It's like if if you want Jackie Chan stuff, you can watch better Jackie Chan stuff. This does make me look forward to eventually watching Shanghai Noon, because now I'm like, so this is like a duo that didn't really have very good chemistry. And in my mind, I feel like he had better chemistry with Owen Wilson, but maybe not. So like I I look forward to seeing revisiting that and seeing how like but also like uh it's a little, you know, farther in to him being in Hollywood. So like the language barrier is probably a little bit better. But like uh yeah, I I look forward to just seeing how that dynamics. dynamic is in comparison.
SPEAKER_03And then also the the Shanghai Nuob taking place where when it does, I would say that the that it's probably a little easier to disconnect from any racist stuff said about about Chan's character in that one than it is in for this one. That yeah I cannot believe that Owen Wilson is not going to say something racist in that movie. But I sure but but Owen Wilson's character is someone living like what the 18 living in the 1880s so what are you gonna do?
SPEAKER_02Yeah we'll we'll see eventually that's gonna do it for us this time.
SPEAKER_03Next time we are going to be so this movie was already on our schedule. This wasn't planned. As of this recording Tim Curry passed away last week uh Tim Curry probably the actor we've talked about the most who's appeared the most times in this podcast so far and I guarantee you he's gonna have a lot more appearances on this podcast as we go forward because he's been a lot of shit that we liked. Next week then ended up being more of a tribute episode than we originally planned. But we're gonna be doing uh Disney's the Three Musketeers a a Chris O'Donnell joint. Not you didn't direct it but it's like a big Chris O'Donnell starring film where uh Tim Curry plays the villain as he often does.
SPEAKER_02And this might be something that people maybe don't remember. So like as you're maybe as you're kind of revisiting your you know Tim Curry movies and kind of going through just like you know yum yum yum all all his stuff maybe this is something that you might have forgotten and put this on the list too.
SPEAKER_03It's kind of funny the three Musketeer characters so there's four of them it's kind of an all-star cast and then also the guy from the bear is in it.
SPEAKER_02I don't know enough about the bear to even know who that is.
SPEAKER_03Oh uh like which I'm I'm making I'm I'm being a little mean towards Oliver Platt.
SPEAKER_02Oh is is Oliver Platt in the Bear? I didn't even know that.
SPEAKER_03Oh yeah he's a major character.
SPEAKER_02I have not seen a single episode of the Bear because everyone said it's stressful so I don't want to watch it is um the first two seasons are very stressful.
SPEAKER_03The the next three seasons have other problems. By the way is if my memory served the best of those four musketeers characters even though he is not even even though he's not the biggest star.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I remember him being funny and I think my biggest memory of three musketeers is just uh someone sliding down a rope but they have a hole in their pants and you can see their underwear and the uh editor didn't catch it that stunk that stunt person must have been very embarrassed.
SPEAKER_03Yeah I can see their underwear all right so three musketeers next time I got alright I got a question for you if you could pick any one black actor from any point in history we'll say to star opposite Jackie Chan in a buddy cop action comedy who would be your first choice what a good question that is difficult.
SPEAKER_02Let's see if anything uh black actor that I would want to see when it comes to uh like comedy stuff I feel like little little Rel Howry would be pretty fun um I I I could see like a lot of funny uh funny quips from him um no although he wouldn't be like super action-y but I think at least get him in the department let him be a part of it some way because that would be fun I don't know when it comes to at the top of my head thinking about like a comedy I think he would be pretty funny.
SPEAKER_03I totally get what you're saying in terms of that right I will not but it doesn't work as well for like the action part of things. Yeah I can't picture him being a character who is like the s the the half the bill of a Jackie Chan film right like I feel like he's clearly a psychic.
SPEAKER_02Yeah I guess I could yeah as I was saying it was like I kind of just want him to be in the department.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. Okay well you know what let's let's give him a call and and and see if he'd be willing to uh you know take a take a pay cut in order to be in a Jackie Chan movie because you know that's gonna you know he's just a big star these days. Please do not put a drays in your lips mouth tell your friends about me