Blossom Your Awesome Podcast Never Quit On A Bad Day With Phebe Trotman

Blossom Your Awesome Podcast Never Quit On A Bad Day With Phebe Trotman

Phebe Trotman joins us to discuss her new book Never Quit On A Bad Day: Inspiring Stories Of Resilience

Phebe is a heart centered entrepreneur and form professional athlete. She is a champion for personal growth and helps others achieve their goals by pushing past obstacles. 

On this episode we talk about the grit and tenacity of sports and the notion of Never Quitting. 

• What sports teaches 
• facing adversity and pushing through it 
• resilience and sticking with it

KEY TAKEAWAY - The key takeaway here is Phebe's exceptional attitude towards seeing it through and never giving up no matter what life throws at you. We learn so much and build so much inner grit and confidence when we push through to the finish line. We are capable of far more then we realize. 

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Transcript

Sue (00:01.176)
Hi there, today on the show we have got Phoebe Trotman here with us. I am so honored and delighted to have you here. Welcome to the show.

Phebe Trotman (00:08.93)
Thanks so much Sue, I'm honored, excited to be here and just looking forward to connecting with you.

Sue (00:14.616)
Oh, me as well. I just love what you're up to, Phoebe. It's so awesome. You are a successful and heart-centered entrepreneur. You're up in Canada. You are an athlete. I mean, there's so many things that you're up to. You're a champion for personal growth. It goes on and on. I just love it. And your book, which will be a series, is out, the first of the series, Never Quit on a Bad Day.

inspiring stories of resilience. So much to talk about here, but give us the backstory, how you got into this line of work and then being an athlete and all of that, and then we're gonna get into it.

Phebe Trotman (00:56.762)
For sure, absolutely. So I'll go way back. I started off as an athlete very, very young. My older brother played soccer. I was the little sister tagging along at all the sporting events and I was like, I want to play too. And so my parents signed me up. I was on an all boys team. I was the only person of color. So I was a little girl, person of color on all boys team. So it was an interesting start, but they were great. And at that age, we were young, we were four or five years old. So everyone just played and I fell in love with the sport.

continued on playing university, then I went and played professional, and then I still do play.

not at professional, I retired many, many years ago from that competitive level. And but I do still play because I absolutely love it. And I've learned so many life skills that I've applied as an entrepreneur through playing in sport. And I just feel like sport is such a great vehicle for kids to learn to thrive to grow. And so I'm just grateful for my kind of athletic journey, because I've learned so much that I've been able to translate into life as an entrepreneur and how I got started as an entrepreneur.

I think it was always kind of in my blood in some ways because my parents were very entrepreneurial. They did work full-time jobs. However, later in life, my mom, when I was younger, stayed home with my brother and I and had a home-based business. And so I always saw that as something that could be a vision for myself. I wanted to have that option to stay home and found kind of different opportunities along the way. I was working full-time. I was still playing soccer. And then I was learning about real estate investing. And I started a coaching company for soccer.

and then I found out about a network marketing company and kind of all these different balls in the air. And when I was working full-time, it was great because in the pockets of my day, I could do stuff for my businesses. And these were just kind of part-time on the side businesses while I figured out, you know, kind of what next.

Phebe Trotman (02:42.99)
And I always say, like, if you don't make a move, sometimes God will make that move for you, because my boss came into my office one day and told me that the company was going bankrupt and we were all gonna be laid off. And complete shock, because I had kind of planned to just do my businesses on the side until I decided to make that jump. And the jump happened sooner than I would have planned, but looking in hindsight, I mean, it was such a blessing because it forced me to kind of pause and look forward in life and be like, what do I want my life to look like?

And I realized that I wanted that control of my time. I wanted that control of my finances. And so I ended up staying with that network marketing company, figuring it out on the way, lots of bumps on the road. And now here we are 17 years later, and it's been an incredible ride, an incredible journey. And I'm still on the journey, if you will.

Sue (03:28.624)
Mm, I love that Phoebe. And you know what I think it's so cool is that sports background, I can just sense how you embody so much of what you took from playing sports, right? And this kind of the team spirit and spontaneity of having to kind of act on impulse and on a dime and getting it going for the win. So give us that insight like

Phebe Trotman (03:52.12)
Mm-hmm.

Sue (03:53.8)
What would you say are some of the greatest life lessons, like you say, some of the greatest life lessons you learned from being an athlete, what are some of those?

Phebe Trotman (04:03.562)
Yeah, well, I mean, commitment, number one, I think commitment came through also my parents upbringing. You know, if you get started something, you finish it off. Like it wasn't a part way through any activity that it was just like, well, I don't like it, I'm stopping. It was like, you can finish and then evaluate. Fortunately for me, I love soccer. So I continued on through that resilience. I mean, there's times where you're gonna get frustrated along your journey as an athlete, right? You wanna get more playing time and maybe you're not getting that playing time. I have had a team that I went out for and I didn't make it

devastated, like absolutely devastated. But being at that, deciding like, okay, well what do I do next? Like how do I, for me, it was like, I don't ever want this feeling again. So I'm gonna work my tail off to be so good that it's not gonna be a situation where I'm not gonna be on the team. And then there's gonna be times where you're not getting the playing time that you want. How do you navigate that? Do you blame the coach and say it's the coach's? No, you have to take accountability and realize and look in the mirror and have those hard conversations with yourself.

Why am I not getting playing time? What can I do, Phoebe Trotman as an athlete, do to be better so that I do get that playing time? And so a lot of that time management, I mean student athlete, university, I actually had a part-time job while I was at school and playing soccer, so managing your schedule, I think that's a huge thing that student athletes really have to dial into, and it helps later in life when you are running a business or just in general with life.

being able to prioritize, what do I need to do right now? What's my next task to move forward? And so those are just some of them, but I mean, I think it's teamwork, obviously, is a big one, working with people. As an athlete, you're working with your teammates, you're working with your coaches, you're working with the whole, you know, other teams and essential to move forward to a common goal. So a lot of things that I'm just so grateful for and whether someone plays high level sports or not, you're still learning those life skills that will carry you through life.

Sue (05:59.02)
I love that. That's so powerful. So many incredible insights now.

Phoebe, for you, there has to be a big, huge takeaway from being so young, being the only girl on an all-boys team. I think that's so cool. Like, you're this anomaly, but that had to have instilled this, like, I can do anything, or, you know, out of the box type of mindset for you, right?

Phebe Trotman (06:27.358)
I think so, I think so. I think being in that environment at a very young age and growing up where I grew up, there weren't a lot of people of color in schools and athletes sports and other activities that I participated in. So knowing that in some ways I'm gonna stand out whether I do well at first standing out or not, like I'm going to, and I think I just had to learn to navigate that in some ways you kind of blaze your own trail, right? You have to figure out what.

who you are as a person, you know, and having that confidence, if you will, in some ways to move forward knowing that there are gonna be bumps in the road and challenges and things that are completely out of your control. And that's a big thing my parents really instilled in my brother and I at a young age, is like focus on what you can control, right? Like what can you do? You can't force someone to like you if they don't like you because of the color of your skin. So who can you be friends with? Can you look for that? So I think a lot of that just naturally kind of happened as you

grow through life, if you will, even at that young age.

Sue (07:26.149)
Mm-hmm. And now, okay, so talk to us about resilience. At what point did you realize, did you start tapping into that and realize, wait, like, this is kind of, you know, I'm not going to quit on a bad day.

Phebe Trotman (07:45.962)
Yeah, so looking back over kind of my life, if you will, there's been so many moments that have popped up where, yeah, I probably, I didn't want to quit. I was frustrated. I was disappointed. And one of the biggest things that I've learned, again, looking at it is when you push through that, that's where the growth is, right? When you're in a tough spot and you push through that, that's where you truly grow. And every time you do that, you're growing in strength for the next.

bump in the road, you know, as you're going after goals, things are gonna happen. And I do think, while I know this in my athletic career, there were times where I had to pivot, if you will, I had to adjust to situations, whether they were, you know, if you wanna say for lack of a better word, fair or not, I had to adjust to them and I had to decide, well, what do I want? And I wanted to play soccer. And so I had to figure out how to navigate that. And same thing now in business. It's like, there's gonna be things that happen where it's not.

It's not fair, but there are moments where life isn't going to be fair. And how do you as a person

Adjust to that. Do you sit down? Do you wallow in it? Do you sit in that negative emotion? Or do you go, okay, you know what? Yeah, this isn't great. This is frustrating. I don't like it yet. I know what my goal is. I know who I am as a person and I'm going to keep moving forward. And so that has just kind of shown up over and over again. And then, you know, with I think having some moments and realizing how many people need to hear those stories of bumps in the road, because it inspires them to keep going as well too, because we all have it. We all have it. I'm sure you can think Sue over your career.

in life where there are times where you were just frustrated. And some ways, rightfully so, we're human. We're always going to have those emotions. But what do you do with that? How do you move forward, I think, is the most important thing.

Sue (09:25.248)
And without those bumps in the road, there really is no opportunity for growth or that resilience, right? That only comes through those hardships. So I have to ask you, Phoebe, I mean, at some point, and so I think it's amazing that your parents instilled this, you know, you can't give up, you're going to finish what you started, because that's like kind of a common theme with so many people that don't kind of get to that finish line ever achieve what they're.

Phebe Trotman (09:48.376)
Thank you.

Sue (09:54.undefined)
Capable of right, but at some point in your life there had to be a moment where it took Everything out of you to not quit

Phebe Trotman (10:04.542)
in terms of sports, business, both, what or what, anything.

Sue (10:08.285)
I mean, in general, right? And what was that like, like for someone like you who's had this instilled in them, but just from a human standpoint, like, God, I don't see the bright side, or I wanna quit, or this is hard. What was that like, and how do you pick yourself up?

Phebe Trotman (10:20.27)
Mm-hmm.

Phebe Trotman (10:25.254)
Yeah, so I'm going to go with in terms of like building my business in terms of my career, because when that when I was laid off from my full time job, and then starting a business, and not really sure, you know, my background was in kinesiology and nutrition and sports, and all of a sudden, I'm building this business. And there were moments where financially, it was very, very challenging, the business wasn't growing as fast as I would have liked it to. There were some things that were happening with the company where certain things were kind of the product wasn't getting delivered. And I mean, it was a business where you need that product.

delivered. And so I was extremely in that low place of like, what am I doing? Why am I doing this? I could just go back and get a job. Like, should I be doing this? And in those moments, and in that moment, I mean, there was multiple times that happened. So that's why I say in those moments, it wasn't just one time I was down in the dumps building a business, there's been multiple times over that. And a few things that I had to do. What number one is I reached out to people who were in it, but a little bit further along in the journey. So who were having that success,

to know like, yes, I'm doing the right thing. I had to have a gut check moment with myself to be like, am I being as consistent as I should be and have that accountability? That's what I mean where sometimes you have to look in the mirror and be like, well, have I really been doing the right things to build my business? And then knowing that I wasn't doing that, then I had to kind of have a conversation with myself and be like, well, what do I want my life to look like? Yes, I could go get it. I could have gone back and got a job. I absolutely could have done that.

However, I had a vision for what I wanted. I knew that I wanted to have a lifestyle that I could just travel. I could be there for my friends and family. And so I saw that vision so clearly that in that way it pulled me forward, even not when I was very frustrated and I did wanna quit. So I just encourage people, when you are going through that, who can you reach out to, right? Who do you have in your corner? Now, it's so important, and I do this exercise where I ask people like,

Who are the go-to people? Now the thing is, your go-to people professionally may not be the same people you're gonna go to personally. And so in this case, when I was building the business in this low, I had professional contacts who were in the business, again, a little bit further along, who I reached out to, who I knew had gone through some stuff because you wanna connect with people, especially when you're reaching out. And if you're in a low...

Phebe Trotman (12:41.334)
You want to know someone and reach out to someone who's been in the low but have come out, if that makes sense. Do you know what I mean? Like you want to reach out to someone who's been through some stuff because they can tell you, they can encourage you, they can inspire you to keep going. So reaching out and then also having that gut check moment with myself and I encourage people to have that moment with yourself and be like, okay, did you do everything you could do? And then the other thing is that gratitude piece, right? And being grateful and so along the journey as an entrepreneur, I've done where like I'm

really big into gratitude. And so I had to look for other things that I could be grateful for because the income wasn't where I wanted it to be. So what else can I be grateful for? The finances are there, but can I be grateful for the person I've grown into? Can I be grateful for the people who now I have in my network who had I never joined this business, I probably would have never met. So finding those experiences that I've had, the growth that I had finding other things to be grateful for, to hang on to while I was working towards getting the income to where I wanted it to be.

Sue (13:41.432)
Mm-hmm. That is so powerful. And you do realize, Phoebe, most people can't do this, right? Like to have the, to be, you know, cause you're kind of all in and it's not going well and people go all in there, but to be able to maintain that kind of deeper awareness that, okay, I gotta stay positive. I gotta keep believing. I gotta keep going. It's this is where the goal is. It's after this.

hurdle here.

Phebe Trotman (14:12.014)
Absolutely, absolutely. And focusing, I encourage people like have a vision for where you're headed. Like I do this, I have a workbook that I created and really there's just an exercise. I call it your dream day and it's really taking some time and you can do it. You can grab the workbook if you want. It's on Amazon or you can just get a notepad and here's the simplified version, but it's your dream day. And what does it look like from the moment someone opens their eyes first thing in the morning to the moment you close your eyes at night?

What does that dream day look like? Who are you with? What are the relationships you have with people in your network? How do you feel physically? And writing it down in present tense of the key is to really get into the feeling of living that dream day. And the reason I encourage people to do that is because it gives you something to hold on to when you're in that tough point, where you're in that low, then you can remember like, what am I doing all this for?

Like, what am I really doing this for? Where am I headed? Is this the direction? Is what I'm going through right now gonna help me get closer to your dream day? And I did that activity, a version of it, many, many years ago when I wasn't anywhere close to living my dream day, and I had to dig very, very deep. Like, it was a stretch, because it was a tough time, you know, when you're doing this activity, and you're like, my dream day, are you kidding me? Like, I just wanna get through today. And so I had to stretch it.

But it has helped me so much over the years. I've done it multiple times since. I've added to it because it gives me that light, that hope, what to focus on so that when I have those bumps in the roads, I have that gut check moment with myself and be like, okay, well, I want to get to here, so I'm gonna keep moving forward. I'm gonna push through this. What can I do today to help me move closer to living my dream day? And when you write this dream day out,

And I've had moments over the years where I've had portions of my dream day that actually all of a sudden I'm like, oh my gosh, I wrote about this. I wrote about this and now I'm living this and it's such an incredible feeling. So I just challenge everyone to do that activity and just take some time and really feel the emotion of what it's going to be like to live your dream day. And again, it has to be written in present tense and you need to really get in the feeling and write it from morning to night.

Sue (16:18.24)
I absolutely love this and I can see the power of it because so often it's this lack of clarity, right? People kind of jumping in to, oh, this sounds great, this sounds cool, but they're not with the feeling of it. They're not envisioning or going in deep and saying, what is this going to look like day in and day out? And what is that ultimate day look like versus just kind of, oh, I want to make this much money and I want to do this and this sounds cool.

But really taking that time for some deeper reflection, it just sounds incredible, because I think so often people end up quitting because of that lack of initial clarity.

Phebe Trotman (17:02.03)
Because if you don't know why you're doing something, when it gets hard, of course you're going to be like, eh, I'm done, I'm on to the next thing. Because let's face it, we're human beings. Like how many people truly love to be in a very tough position? Most of us don't, right? Our bodies, we want comfort. And so it's one of those things where you do have to learn to, and I talk about this a lot, like get comfortable being uncomfortable is one way to live, right? Because then that's where that growth happens. But absolutely, it's important to have clarity because clarity is going to help you when you're going through those tough times.

because again, most people are gonna wanna turn and run at any sort of challenge, but if you know why you're gonna, getting on the other side, what that means for you in the longer vision of your life, then it's something to hang onto. And I say too, on the cover of...

the workbook, it's a picture of a lighthouse. Actually, I'll just hold it up here if anyone's watching. So it's a picture of a lighthouse. And the reason I did this is because I use my dream day as a lighthouse. So when I'm going through those tough times, I can focus on it. It's that bright light. It helps me to navigate it in terms, and then I use it in terms of opportunities that present themselves. Like,

is this gonna help me move towards my dream day? If it is, then I'll consider it. If it's something that's not moving me towards living my dream day, then it's not something I'm gonna participate in, even from a lifestyle choice as well. If it's something that's gonna help me become better in shape or more physically active, then I'll participate in it. If it's something that's completely against what I want my life to look like from a physical standpoint, then it's not something I participate in. And so it helps me too in evaluating.

those different opportunities, because let's face it, there's opportunities all around us, and deciding what to participate in is part of, it's an important choice too, to help you move forward.

Sue (18:49.9)
Mm-hmm. That is awesome. I love that. Now, let me ask you for you because you're so clear, you're so focused, you're so driven, you're a high achiever, you're going for, you know, big things, you're making stuff happen. What are the traits, if there were two or three that you think attribute to your...

Phebe Trotman (19:01.582)
Mm-hmm.

Sue (19:14.892)
ability to make all this stuff happen and stay driven and motivated and go after it, what would you say are those attributes that you have that help you with that?

Phebe Trotman (19:23.854)
That's a great question. I would say clarity, number one. I do think clarity is super important. And then persistence. I think persistence is realizing that there's going to be those bumps in the road. There's going to be times it's not going to happen as quickly as you would want it to. There's going to be times where you're going to be frustrated. Accepting that as part of the process, I think, is a very important piece to it. And then accountability, realizing that at the end of the day, we all have 24 hours in a day.

how we're gonna use that time. Are we using it to help us move forward in our goals and our dreams? Or are we using it to not, right? Filling it with something else. And so, and don't get me wrong, I'm all about relaxation and enjoying time and doing things like that. I think that's very important too. It's very important to make sure you're having that time for your friends and family and for you to recharge. And at the same time.

Are you being intentional and moving forward in terms of what you wanna create? So I think accountability is super important is really having those conversations with ourselves from time to time to be like, am I doing what I can do to get closer to it or not? And then having the tough conversation, if you're not, why aren't you?

Right? Like, why aren't you back in the day, I look at myself when I first started that business, and I wasn't consistent with it. I would be like, work one day, eh, I don't feel like working today, I'm just gonna go hang out. And so how do you expect to have consistent results if you're not doing consistent action, right? But I wasn't, and why wasn't I? Well, because I thought I could just, I didn't think I had to have a system, I thought I could just get away with it. I didn't really know much about building a business or being an entrepreneur, so.

I had to learn that no, systems are important as an entrepreneur. It's important if you want those consistent results, you have to do the consistent activity and it may not be that you're getting paid for that activity that same day. However, you still need to do it. You still need to show up and you still need to be consistent.

Sue (21:17.468)
What great insights there and so often, and I think those, that's what sets greatness apart, right? Understanding being able to say, yeah, okay, this is going to take hard work. It's not going to be instantaneous. I got to stick with it. And I might not see any results for, you know, for ages, but I believe and I'm going to keep at it and keep just

that resilience factor. So I just commend you. I think that's so amazing. So let me ask you now, wanna talk about the book and resilience for you. You know, why the title? What is it about? Like, I know we've kind of already touched on this, but give us kind of your deeper awareness around resilience and how you kind of activate that and tap into that.

Phebe Trotman (22:10.346)
Absolutely. So the title, you know, it's interesting because I didn't really have this big vision. I had my dream day vision. Part of that was not necessarily writing a book. And it was interesting. Again, we talked about surrounding yourself with great people. And I was with some dear friends and we were all talking about kind of what's next. And I had shared that it's been on my heart for years to create something to inspire, to help. I've had so many mentors and people I've plugged into. And so I just wanted to create something to help people.

And they suggested write a book. And at first I was like, eh, I don't know. Like, you know, I'm not really sure if that's the direction. And they shared, well, because I had shared with my company and building my business why I work so hard to hit the top rank in the company was just because I wanted people to see that someone else could do it. You could live in another country. You could be a female. You could be a person of color. You could be all these other things that some people might think.

might be a little bit of a stumbling block, if you will, but you can still do it and push through. And my amazing team, we all came together to make that happen. And so they shared, that's the same reason I should write a book. And when they flipped it like that, of how many people would be inspired by it, that's when I thought, okay, well, yeah, let's look at this. And I said, if I'm gonna write a book, it has to do two things. It has to help and inspire people.

And I also have to be passionate about what this book is gonna be about. And the month before I had been inducted into the Quiltum Sports Hall of Fame and we did this interview. And it was in that interview that the interviewer asked me what is sport giving me and I shared some of the same things we talked about here like the life skills. And I shared though that there's been incredible highlights like national championships and player of the year and all these different awards and accolades, which I'm so grateful for these incredible experiences.

However, the only reason I was able to have those incredible experiences and those accolades is because of all the tough stuff, the getting cut from a team, the not starting, the sitting on the bench, the only playing five minutes, dealing with injuries, coming second and third and all these other things. And pushing through those is why I was able to have those great experiences and awards. And so I realized that night after I was talking to my friends, I was like, that's what I want to write a book about.

Phebe Trotman (24:15.346)
I want people to see some of the challenges that people go through and grow through to get to where they are so that they know they're not alone when they face those bumps in the road and so that they can have tools in their own little tool belt that when they're going through their own challenges, they can remember and they can reflect on it and they can pull out that tool to help them push through. And so

that's really where the book came from. And I had heard the saying, never quit on a bad day, like many, many years ago. And it's kind of always been a theme in my life, if you will. And I was like, that's what I want to call it. However, I wasn't sure. I was like, oh my goodness, the domain name's probably taken and all these different thoughts. And then it was available. And so that to me was kind of that sign, God saying, okay, move forward with it. And so then, here we are and it's an incredible, the book turned out so well. I'm so grateful to the contributors, the stories they shared.

Every chapter has like a lesson, an area that I wrote called Reflections on Resilience, which really has a lesson for the reader to go through. So grab a pen and paper when you're reading the book because it's more of an activity book, if you will, too, so that readers can kind of walk away with lessons and tools and tips that they can apply to their own life as they're going through their life, as they're pushing towards goals and dreams and whatnot as well, too.

Sue (25:30.576)
Hmm, I love that. And I think it's so powerful for so many reasons. But one is you're pulling in people who were mentors and helped you along the way and you were inspired by and then just bringing this kind of collective group of awesome people together and raising that kind of vibration and pulling everybody in and then having each one of them kind of share an insight like

Phebe Trotman (25:49.582)
Thank you.

Sue (25:58.396)
What was that like for you? I mean, what have you learned and taken away from this just project so far with the first book?

Phebe Trotman (26:06.574)
Thanks for watching!

Yeah, you know what, I'm just, I'm so grateful because I've had incredible mentors and colleagues and people that I've had around my life. And so I wanted to highlight them. I wanted to highlight who these, some of these amazing people are. So for more people to see and learn from and the stories, you know, I asked them different, like the same questions, but the stories are so different because everyone has their own definition, if you will, of what a bad day was or bad season, like what that was. And so there's stories in there

And so that I'm really grateful for.

I learned a lot in terms of my own being resilient throughout it because it's been a process, right? You're getting stories from different people and putting it all together and the lessons. And so I found it really inspiring a lot writing this book because reading through the stories and then, you know, what they submitted and putting it together and then looking at that story and be like, what's a lesson out of that story? And what's a lesson that would help someone reading it? And then putting that together, it just, again, I believe

resilient. Sometimes we just need to remember how resilient we really are. And so that was my goal with the book is for people to really walk away being inspired for their own life, their own journey, and then to kind of remember how many things they've gone through and grown through and where they are now and to be grateful for where they are now. And so it's really a book of lessons, inspiration, growth, and for the reader just to walk away with that extra oomph if you will for them to keep going with their life.

Sue (27:40.236)
Mm, that is so just inspiring, you know, and you embody just all of that, Phoebe. I can just sense and feel your zest for life and opportunity and to keep going and staying inspired and staying motivated. I think that's so cool. So, you know, for young people, what advice, like what's the best advice you can give a young person or?

And it doesn't have to be a young person, but just people to not quit on a bad day.

Phebe Trotman (28:16.306)
Yeah, so my encouraging word is just to push through, push through. And there's, I know people are hearing never quit on a bad day and people are saying, well, what do you mean? Is there never a time to quit? Not saying that at all. And I talk about that in the book of when, you know, quit. There are times where you need to quit something, right? If it's not serving you, if it's not aligned with your values and your beliefs, it may be time to move on to and move forward to something else. And so what I encourage people to do is when you're in that low and tough, that's not the time to quit.

When you, because when you're in that low, that's, you're quitting from a negative emotional place. You're quitting from a negative place. You're quitting from emotional place most often. So push through that day, push through that day, get to a good day. And then if it's time to like change into something else, transition forward into something else, then you might want to evaluate, but do it on a good day. Do it on a good day because then you're doing it from a sense of a positive emotion and moving forward to something else, right? Don't just quit and then be like sitting there like, quit.

if you're going to quit to move forward to something more exciting, something that might align with what your vision is and your clarity for your future, that's when you want to do it. So I just encourage you to push through, get through to the other side, get to the other side of that, get on the good day, then you can evaluate, make the right decision. And you're just, when you do it from that place, just the growth that's going to happen in that, and then you're doing it again to move forward to something else. You're doing it from a positive place and it'll help you over the long run too.

Sue (29:44.928)
Mm hmm. Oh, I love that. That is such great advice. And so and we just kind of lose sight of things, but it's so good to have these affirmations and reminders and you putting this book together. Now talk to us about what's I know you're working on other stuff. I know you got other like awesome things coming down the, you know, line. So what does that look like? What are you working on? What can we anticipate?

Phebe Trotman (30:10.822)
Yeah, absolutely. So it is going to be a book series or it is a book series. So I've never quit on a bad day inspiring stories of resilience. This first book features stories from thriving entrepreneurs. That being said, the book is for any and everyone who's ever, you know, someone who has a goal or dream and it has felt discouraged. This, this is the book for you. So that book is out right now. I've created a workbook that's all designed around your dream day. So that's called Never Quit on a Bad Day, a guided workbook for creating good days. And so that is kind of a,

because it's all about dreaming and creating and writing that dream day. And then right now I'm starting the next book in the series, The Never Quit on a Bad Day, inspiring stories of resilience. And that's going to be an awesome book full of more stories. However, I'm not going to share the theme just yet, but we will be releasing that next year. And so I'm really excited about that too.

Sue (31:04.16)
Oh my God, I love it all Phoebe. Okay, so a couple of things. First and foremost, you've just been so awesome. You've had so many great inspiring takeaways and insights. And I know people are gonna love all of what you've shared here and feel so inspired. I'm feeling inspired after talking to you. And you just have like energy that just lights it up. So I love that.

And I just commend you for all that you're up to and doing your part to inspire people. So that's awesome.

Phebe Trotman (31:40.242)
Well, thank you. I appreciate it. And you have great energy as well. It's always nice to connect with people who are stepping into their passion and moving forward with purpose and creating stuff. Because, as I said before, like I truly believe when people start pursuing and going after their passion and doing that, it does inspire other people. It gets exciting. People go like, oh, my gosh, look at Sue. She started this podcast and she's rocking it. Maybe I can do that, too. And it might not be a podcast.

It might be something else, but it really does inspire people when you see people moving forward. And that's actually been such an interesting thing that's happened since I've written the book. Because so many people have come up and said, you know what, I've always wanted to write a book. And now that you've done it, I know I can do it too. And I'm like, absolutely you can. Let me know if I can help. And so I just appreciate that you have this podcast and everything that you're doing, because when you walk in that purpose and passion, it inspires other people. And so thank you for that.

Sue (32:35.681)
Thank you so much, Phoebe. That means so much to me. I really appreciate it. Now, it's just been such a delight having you. You've been so wonderful. You kind of just said it, but in closing, you've already said all of these amazing things. But if there were just one message, your hope for everybody, what is that closing message you want to leave us with?

Phebe Trotman (32:57.358)
Closing message, do something every single day that your future self will thank you for. That is a great quote to live by. I don't remember who first said it, however, whoever said it, absolutely brilliant. So I wanna encourage everyone, do something every day that your future self will thank you for, move forward with purpose and passion. And of course, never quit on a bad day.

Sue (33:17.603)
Mm-hmm. I love it. Even so awesome PB. Thank you so much

Phebe Trotman (33:21.875)
Thank you so much for having me Sue.

Sue (33:23.876)
Thank you.