Blossom Your Awesome Podcast Wisdom For Our Journey With Kathleen Donnelly Israel

Blossom Your Awesome Podcast Wisdom For Our Journey With Kathleen Donnelly Israel

Kathleen Donnelly Israel is a breath work facilitator, theta healer and the best-selling author of Wisdom On The Camino. She has spent decades working with spiritual masters and healers.

Her book is about her journey and sharing wisdom with all she encountered during her spiritual pilgrimage walking the Camino Santiago.

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On this episode Kathleen offers profound spiritual wisdom for us all to take with us through the peaks and valleys of life. 

• Life is a journey - you have to explore 
• take responsibility for how others feel and are doing around you - show up more powerfully for them 
• we need to be learning and evolving constantly 

KEY TAKEAWAY - We need to be learning and evolving constantly. We are here to raise our vibration and live in a higher state of love and deeper exploration of us and those around us. 

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Transcript

Sue (00:01.178)
Hi there, today on the show, we have got Kathleen Donnelly-Israel here with us. I am so honored and delighted to have you here. Welcome to the show. Oh, I am so happy to have you here, Kathleen, and get into your remarkable story. You are the author of The Wisdom on the Camino.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (00:11.261)
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you.

Sue (00:24.854)
a transformational breathing facilitator, theta healer, you're a spiritual guide of sorts, I'm gonna call you. Give us the backstory here.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (00:36.633)
Well, I live in San Diego. I've always lived here. And I married Ron Israel and raised five children. And we were transformational breathing facilitators together. And he got Parkinson's disease. So I took care of him. He had it for 17 years. And so when he died, I...

I thought we were going to do our old age together. And, you know, he was an athlete. So I thought we'd like be riding bicycles across France or something in our old age. But then when I realized that wasn't going to happen, I had to make a new dream for myself. So I saw my girl on Facebook while I was taking care of Ron, my girlfriend went to the Camino Santiago de Compostela, and I recognized she was doing something very special for herself. So I thought.

when Ron's done with his disease, that's what I'm going to do. I'm going to walk the Camino. So he died in 2018 in August. And by January, I was done with the paperwork and stuff. And so I thought, well, if you're going to go on the Camino, you might as well get learn how to do that. So I watched YouTube's and went to a talk at my library about how to pack light for the Camino.

And I just learned how to do it. And I got a book, a guidebook, and I got my airfare to France, and I did it.

Sue (02:13.982)
Wow, that is so remarkable. So how long did it take? And just give us some of the kind of the physical part of it. And then I want to kind of get into the spiritual element with you.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (02:28.465)
Yeah, I, well, I was, I was on the Camino for 66 days, which is a lot, but I'm an old lady and I've got a bum foot. And so and also I took every Sunday off because, you know, I was walking a spiritual journey for myself, a pilgrimage. And I, I would.

get in on Sunday and I'd be so tired, I'd just flop on my bed and take a nap. And then I'd get up and think, oh, where's mass? And invariably I would be missing it. And so I thought, well, I need to just take Sunday off and be in a town and go to church in the morning. So that's what I did. And on the, on the Camino, they have albergues to stay in. They're little hostels. They're pretty basic.

and you can only stay one night. So I would have to find a hotel for Saturday night and Sunday night, and then I'd leave Monday morning.

Sue (03:33.462)
Wow. And now can you Kathleen give us the backstory, like kind of the spiritual component of walking the Camino?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (03:43.085)
Yeah, you know, after Ron died, I went to a spiritualist church and they can actually talk to the dead. And so, and they gave me a reading. If it was the first time I've been there and if it's your first time they give you a reading. And this lady, she didn't know what she was talking about, but she said, I see that you're going to take a journey and it's deeper than you know, deep in the dirt, deep in your blood.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (04:15.114)
And you're going to. It's like. In my lineage, you know, it just goes deep into my spirituality. And after I after the reading, I told her, oh, I'm going on the Camino Santiago. And she said, OK, now I know what I was talking about. So it and when the.

When the Camino, when I started the Camino, the first night I was at the Bollari in San John Pai de Port and the head of the albergue asked us to name our pilgrimage and I named it deeper than I know. And also one other thing he said, if you think you know why you're here.

That's not why you're here. So don't try and figure out what you want to get out of the Camino because you're just going to get whatever you get out of it. And it's probably something different than what you think.

Sue (05:21.77)
And how this is something that's been going on for thousands of years, the ultimate backstory of the Camino, right? People taking these pill.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (05:29.357)
Yeah, so that, you know, the apostle of Jesus, St. James, went to the Iberian Peninsula to tell people about Jesus and nobody wanted to know about Jesus, so he was not successful. So he went back to Jerusalem and they martyred him. And then the story goes that angels brought him back to Spain and buried him in Spain. And so like in the like...

the ten hundreds, they were trying to get the Moors out of Spain and St. James appeared and helped them get the Moors out of Spain. And everybody was really happy and they really liked St. James. So they went and found his grave and they started having pilgrimages to his grave. And they built a cathedral around it and that's the cathedral in

Santiago means St. James. And so really they were doing that way back in the 1200s and those times back then. And then in the 1980s, a priest, a monk or somebody like that, decided to resurrect the Camino. And so he found, he like looked for the Camino Road.

And there were several of them. People in the South went north to Santiago, and people from the East went west to Santiago. So he found the Pilgrim Roads. They were basically the Roman roads. And he found that some freeways had been built across it, but basically mostly they were available to walk on.

put all these yellow arrows so people didn't even have, you don't even have to have a map. You can just walk until you see another yellow arrow and maybe, you know, it'll tell you to turn or go straight ahead or something like that. So there's on the Camino, there's yellow arrows to tell you where to go. And that priest was responsible for people knowing that they needed to do that in their town to help the pilgrims.

Sue (07:54.99)
Okay, and now Kathleen, I know along the way on your journey, you were meeting people and sharing some of the spiritual insights that you've gained, some of your philosophies and things over the years through working with thought leaders and other, you know, spiritual teachers and things. Can you share some of those with us?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (08:21.129)
Yeah, one of them is about forgiveness. So the way I feel about it is I don't need to forgive anybody because I attract anything negative into my life, I attracted it in. So my, I, I was abused as a child and I had a really sad story and I kind of like

lived my sad story and told people my sad story all my life. And I didn't realize that I was making it worse by telling my sad story. And so the law of attraction, if you're going to be spewing a sad story, then you're going to attract more sad stuff. And so all the idiots in my life, I attracted them in with my sad

with my sadness and my sad story and my anger and my, you know. So anyway, that is one lesson that I learned is that I, I don't, I feel like if I got hurt by somebody, they were pushing one of my buttons inside that I got as a child because I was just such a hurting person.

And so I need to be grateful to that person for pushing my button so I could find my button, so I could heal it. Because other people are just doing what they do and perhaps they mean to hurt us or perhaps not, but we're attracting it in whatever it is. So if we have good things happening, we attracted them in. That's great. So I just had to change my mind.

And I sort of made a note of different experiences in my life that really made me happy. And then if I got sad, I could go pick one of those things and think about it. So like one of my happy memories is my daughter was afraid to take swimming lessons. And I told her, you know, you need to take swimming lessons.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (10:46.777)
Don't worry about it. It's the teacher's problem. You just do what they say and it's their problem to teach you. So she did, you know, she's so brave. And I was sitting out there watching and the first time I saw her swimming across the top of the water, like kicking her feet and swimming with her arms across the top of the water, that made me so happy. I, I mean, really. And so.

That's one of the things I think about when my head is so full of really awful stuff. And in that way, I can change my future by thinking good thoughts so I can bring in good things.

Sue (11:32.522)
Mm-hmm. And that's so beautiful, Kathleen. Now, you know, let me ask you, because I know it's so necessary. Like it sounds like you've had some trauma and things as a child. So necessary to release those things. What are your thoughts on, right? Not sharing? Is it do you feel it's OK to share with loved ones or a therapist or somebody? Because it is powerful to get the sad stuff out. Right.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (12:03.337)
Uh, okay. Um, I finally got free of it in my sixties. I was 60 something when I finally figured out I needed to not think of that stuff. So that's a long time of sharing my sad story with the world. And, um, uh, it may be, it may be good to, I mean,

talk therapy, that's one thing they want you to do is go through and tell your story. But really, you're re-traumatizing yourself every time you do it. Number one. Number two, you're setting yourself up for real sad stuff. And I think. Maybe I mean, I never told anybody about my abuse till I was 35 years old. So maybe I needed to say it back then when I was 35.

But you know what, I didn't need to say it every day all my life and think about how what a sad life I had. I mean, I used to think, gee, I would see other people get good stuff in their life and I didn't have good stuff in my life. And I would be like, oh, I guess I just don't get the good stuff. And that was my that's what I thought about myself. And that's what I brought in. I don't get the good stuff because our words are powerful.

as humans, our words are powerful and we speak and what we think about, we bring about and what we speak about, we bring about. So I know I told my sister about this and she said, well, gee, I said, you know, complaining actually brings in more bad stuff. And she said, well, you got to complain to make things different. And I'm like, no, you need to tell a good story and forget about the sad stuff.

all the sad stuff in my life. It was just evidence that I had been bringing in sad stuff. I mean, if you can't, if you create a situation in your life where you're not giving out your sad story and you can create grace around yourself. And that's the other thing is I'm always trying to figure out how to raise my vibrate, my personal

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (14:28.409)
vibration that I send out. And one of the things I use is praise. So I like to make lists of praise that I can praise God. Even praising people creates a high vibration. Some people think they need to tell their kids that they're awful so they'll be good. That is so wrong.

But people think that, you know, and then they create more and more negativity in the world. When we raise our vibration, we send out a good vibration. And that actually is grace. It's grace that we're sending out and creating an environment for ourself that we can live in that's lovely. And so anyway, for my sister, I was like, I...

I just know what to say to her, but afterwards I thought, no, you don't need to complain. You need to get a good thought. And those people who are out there ruining your life, they're going to fall away because if we, we have these buttons inside of us that get pushed, they cause us to hurt.

And if somebody pushes a button that's so deep inside of us, we say, I hate them. They hurt me so deeply. But the fact is, I need to take responsibility for the buttons inside of me that get pushed. And when I find one, I can ask God to heal me. I can give it up. Have you ever heard of ho'oponopono?

Sue (16:20.891)
I have, yes.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (16:22.273)
Yeah, so one night I was I was on vacation. I learned the whole oponopono. That was one of my charisms that I shared in my book. And I was laying in bed and my monkey mind was bringing up all this sad stuff. And I was like, oh, this is so crummy. And so I started doing the whole oponopono. I love you. I love God. God loves me. God loves the other person. The other person loves God.

If you can say it, you say, I love them and they love me. But if you can't, you know, you don't have to. I love you, I'm sorry. And it's, I'm sorry that this situation exists. It's not like I'm sorry I did something. I'm sorry this situation exists between us. Please forgive me. And it's not forgive me because I did something, but forgive me for what's going on in me that caused me to attract this. There's something in me caused me to attract this, you know.

They provided it for me. Thank you very much. And I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Thank you. And it's thank you for showing me this so I could heal because if I didn't have this pain in me, I wouldn't know where I needed to heal. So thank you for showing me this so I could heal. And then I love you. I love God. God loves me. God loves the other person. The other person loves God. And maybe by then you can say I love them and they love me.

But anyway, I was like doing that and that night in the hotel room and I just started feeling shame. And I was like, well, I must be doing it wrong because this is not about shame. And so I, I changed it up a little bit. He said, I love you. I'm sorry. Please forgive me. And then I said, I forgive me. And then I said, I forgive it up.

And I felt this refrigerator sized pain coming out of my heart and going up to God. And I was like, wow, that was amazing. And then I finished it up. Thank you for showing me this so I could heal. And I love you. And I started doing all, you know, like my monkey mind just kept bringing up sad stuff. And so I did the...

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (18:45.473)
I call it my extended ho'oponopono. And so I did that on all the things that came up. And I tell you, I did not sleep that night. And in the morning, I felt so much clearer and I had cleared so much. So we need to give it up. I forgive it up. And we need to not get into shame about it too because we need to, I mean, I need to

honor my valiant spirit who was willing to come into this world and be a person so I could raise my vibration and The way you can raise your vibration you can do praise you can do the whole pono But you can Release all the sadness in you and that raises your vibration and

And then you can live into that. And every once in a while it comes back on me. I mean, I can really see it in my life. Like if I ever stubbed my toe or something like that, I'm like, oh, what was I thinking that brought that in? I have some pain here and I brought it in myself. And I love not being a victim. No, before

was sad all the time. I was such a victim. God didn't give me good things, blah, blah. You know, but when I realized what was really going on, I realized I can do something about this. And the thing is, okay, see, the Ho'oponopono is a really powerful tool. And you can see it on YouTube. There's all kinds of Ho'oponopono teaching on YouTube. But it's in my book too. And

Yeah, we don't have to be sad and we can create grace. And the thing about grace is we don't keep it to ourselves. It it goes out from us into our neighbor, into our house, into our neighborhood, the people that we see, the people and just people we don't even see, but they're close to us. And and we sending out this great vibration and we can actually change the world. Personally, it's so important to do this, to just

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (21:14.769)
change it up and get rid of our sadness and not be a victim and send out grace to the whole world. We can do that. Nobody else can do it. Everybody has to do it themselves. And that's why our lives are so valuable to be human in this world. The other thing, the other thing that raises the vibration is unconditional love.

And the thing is, you can't even do unconditional love unless you have the adversity. It's really easy to love the people who love us, but the people who are our, I don't know if I can say this, who are our assholes, they, I mean, when we can love them, or we decide to love them, we decide not to take them to task, but to just love them and send them good vibrations.

That's unconditional love and that raises my vibration. And that's the main vibration that I can raise is by unconditional love.

Sue (22:26.142)
Wow, that is so beautiful and so powerful, Kathleen. I just love all of what you've shared and it speaks volumes to your wisdom because not everyone, I mean, you embody what you share, right? It's not just, oh, you're saying this because it sounds cool or it's the right thing to say. Like you truly understand and get the power of being in this way. So that's amazing. Now let me ask you.

What did you experience spiritually? Like, did you have an awakening? Did you gain more insights and more wisdom than you had already brought there? Was the experience all that you thought it was gonna be?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (23:12.185)
Like I say, that guy in Sanjian at the Bollari told us, you're not gonna get what you think you're gonna get. And if I, I mean, one thing I got was that I can take care of myself and I relied on my angels. I took four of my guardian angels with me and I know them personally. And they helped me at all times. I mean, they helped me get into situations where I could talk to people.

They helped me by being able to, um, I would get into situations with people and I, they would tell me their problems and I would share some of my wisdom with them. And it really helped me to realize that I, I know some stuff and I can, I can share it and God, I just, um, believe that all of my healing, God was leading me around to my healers, you know? And I.

I could give those healings to other people. And it really lifted my opinion of myself. The beauty, the beauty on the Camino, like walking through the forest and it was like the forest primeval. I mean, little tiny flowers popping up out of, tiny little oak trees coming up.

you know, and that was the beginning of this giant oak tree. And you're seeing this little tiny two leaf oak tree coming out of the ground. And just all there were so many things that were interesting. I went through an oak forest and none of the trees were twisty. I had heard here in San Diego area, a friend of mine told me if you see a twisted tree,

That is a tree that spirits come out of the earth up out that twisted tree and that's why it's twisted. None of those trees were twisted. And I was like, whoa, look at that. I guess the spirits are just staying in the ground over here, I don't know. But there was just many challenging my ideas of the way things are. And you get somewhere where you've never been before. I mean, the language is even different. And...

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (25:35.897)
It just you get to really be yourself. And one thing that was such a blessing for me was that I wasn't with anybody. I didn't I didn't walk with anybody and I recognized in other people that when they were together you could ever you could see some drama going on there, you know, and I it was such a blessing that I wasn't with anybody. So I didn't I mean.

I didn't have any drama and actually I did hook up with some people every once in a while and then you'd feel the drama and then they just disappear. You know, so I think that's one thing about going alone is that you don't have to have drama and you can just every situation that comes up you get to just deal with it. And yeah, no drama. I love that.

I'm sorry.

Sue (26:35.446)
That was so beautiful. I love that too. And now let me ask you, so what is some wisdom you can part on younger people today? What do you think younger people need to know and understand about life that most of them don't?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (26:51.577)
Well, that big piece for me, if I had found out about, you know, that I had buttons to push and when people pushed them, it hurt me deeply and I hated that person, you know, if I had known that earlier, I would have had a lot happier life. I learned it when I was in my 60s. What if I had learned it, you know, when I was a kid or when in my 20s, then I could have handled the situations more gracefully.

and realized that I'm not a victim, even though I was abused and stuff like that. I really believe that I attracted all that in too. And I, you know, I don't need to forgive my dad or, you know, my mom or any anything like that anymore because I'm taking responsibility for bringing it in even at that age.

Anyway, what can I say to young people? I think one thing I wanna say, I mean, I don't know if I should say this, but I raised my children in the Catholic church and none of them go to church. I mean, I have one that goes to a different church. And what I actually told a young man on the Camino, he was

He came up to me while he was, you know, I was walking and I walked slow and every once in a while somebody would like slow up and walk with me. And this young man did that and he asked me if I was Catholic and I said yes. And he said, well, you know, so many bad things are happening in the Catholic church right now. I don't know if I want to belong to it or not. And I said, okay, well, what I told my kids was if you go away, who's going to make it better?

you know, abandon ship, you know, and then I just feel like they have a responsibility to make things better. And if everybody with good ideas goes away, you know, that's, that's not that's like you take taking all you can out of something and then when you don't like it anymore, just throw it away. You know, that's not okay.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (29:17.041)
That's what I think. So I think using the wonderful thought, God is putting wonderful thoughts in our young people's minds. And to go with those wonderful thoughts and share them. And don't act like those people are idiots. You know, share your wisdom with them.

You know, don't leave them idiots. Help them out. Share your, you know, the good, just the brilliance that is in our young people now. I just think it's wonderful. And I think if they keep it to themselves, they're really being selfish. They need to share their wonderful wisdom with us. I don't feel like I'm more wise than they are. I feel like God has sent.

Sue (29:50.919)
Thank you.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (30:15.857)
them into the world right now and given them a wisdom that he didn't give my generation. And I love being with young people. I rent my rooms out in my house to students. I live right by the SDSU and I love having them here.

Sue (30:40.558)
Uh, wow. Well, they are lucky to have you. I think that there's just so much wisdom in your words. And I love that you said have young people, you know, be responsible. Like if you leave, who's going to take care of it? And I think we're not sharing that enough. We're not giving young people enough of that kind of, well, yeah, you got to do the right thing and you got to show up in this way and make things better. And

I just, I love that you said that. So that's amazing. Now, let me ask you, Kathleen, what, looking back on life, what is the thing, like, what is your own personal, like, greatest insight if there were just one?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (31:19.205)
Mm-hmm.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (31:30.59)
I have a little one here that it I have a prayer that I say that creates miracles in my life. I mean I'm not kidding you miracles happen when I say this and I and I say it when I don't know what to do. I'm done. I had I thought of everything I could think of and I cannot fix this and I say dear God please make everything turn out okay.

And then I let God make everything turn out okay. And I watched for everything to turn out okay. And you wouldn't believe the miracles that happen when I say that. It's incredible. So, it seems kind of simple, but it's really great to let God be God. When we think we have to fix everything, we're trying to be God, I don't think so. And if we don't think God can handle it, we are wrong.

God can handle it, whatever it is, you know, and yeah, dear God, please make everything turn out okay. And you just wait and let it happen.

Sue (32:37.574)
I love it. And, you know, and there's even though it's so simple, it's so profound, Kathleen, because it speaks again volumes to your wisdom, and this deeper knowing and understanding and trust and surrender in something so much bigger than us, right? Like you're just, you say it, and then you leave it there, and you let it go, and you trust.

Sue (33:02.626)
Wow, I love that. And now for wisdom for people who are stuck in struggling. I mean, life is challenging. It's so hard when you're younger or when you're caught up in something, you just, we don't always know how to face that and how to get to the other side. What is your wisdom to those people who are stuck in struggle?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (33:28.749)
Uh, breathe. Um, anxiety is made out of not enough breathing. I mean it, a hundred percent is not enough breathing because when, when we, um, when our, when we don't breathe. Okay. So when we have stress, we do high chest breathing, which doesn't give us enough breath. We need to breathe all the way down to our belly, use the whole lungs. And

our brain doesn't get enough oxygen. And then our brain goes, ah, I need oxygen. You know, give me some oxygen. But we don't know what it needs. It's just screaming at us and that's our anxiety and we can't take it, we can't breathe. I mean, and so you just need to just sit there and just suck in some air and let it go and release it and suck in some air and release it.

In my life, I get panic attacks. And you don't know, I mean, if you get in a stressful situation, sometimes you don't know you're in a stressful situation. You're just doing what you're doing and all of a sudden you can't breathe or something or you can't think straight. You think you're in a box, whatever. And that is caused by not enough oxygen. And the brain is freaking out.

So you just need to breathe a lot. And so just breathe in slowly and then breathe out slowly. And breathe in slowly and breathe out slowly. We can all do that. The normal thing to do is to do the fight or flight when things are going wrong. And when we do that, we don't get enough oxygen. And we can control it by taking in some air. That's one thing that we can.

throw a wrench in the flight or flight syndrome, you know, by our breath, we can do that.

Sue (35:34.726)
That's so beautiful. And can you talk to us a little more about this? Because you are after all, a breath facilitator. You've been doing this for a really long time. Can you give us some more insight there for being powerfully with the breath? Should we incorporate meditation? What is like a daily practice you do?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (35:55.509)
Yeah, the, um, the, you can, um, one thing that you can do is find a song that you like that, um, and I recommend it be like five minutes long. And then you just sit there and breathe, put your hands on your belly. When you breathe in, use your diaphragm, your diaphragms right at the bottom of your lungs. So what you do when you breathe in is you

lower your diaphragm and it pushes your belly out. That's how you can tell if you're lowering your diaphragm, it pushes your belly out. So, okay, so you're breathing in and you're making the belly go out and you're using the diaphragm at the bottom of the lungs. And then when you, after you breathe in, then you, you don't push the air out, you just relax and let it go out like a silent sigh, like you're cleaning your glasses or something, you know, just like, you know, just relax and you breathe in.

and then you relax the exhale and you just do that for five minutes to some music that you like. And that is, I would, you know, I do that every day just five minutes of breathing in the morning. The other thing is to keep a good thought. A meditation, I mean, we can meditate and then get frustrated because we can't keep our mind on our meditation.

But really, the sweet spot, the juice, is in bringing our thinking back. So if you just have a list of things that are good memories or whatever things you can think of, maybe even some food. You could think about some food you enjoy, or relaxing in the backyard. You can think of whatever that has a good vibration. And then if you find your monkey mind

you know, tricking you, just don't even worry about that. When you find that happening, just go right back to it. Go, you know, find your good side again. And it's, it's in the coming back that is the good for us. So don't worry about if you go away, you know, just go back. And so yeah, the breathing and also the keeping a good thought and.

Sue (38:17.482)
Wow, that is so beautiful, so powerful, so many amazing insights. So Kathleen, let me ask you, what is, like, what do you think it all means? Like, why are we here? What's the point?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (38:34.233)
Well, I know why I'm here. I came in here to raise my vibration. That's why I came here. And I didn't even know it. And it occurred to me, it didn't even make sense to me till I was old, actually. But I believe that I was out, a spirit out in the universe, a low vibrational spirit out in the universe with God.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (39:04.161)
I wanted to raise my vibration. I wanted to be close to God. God has such a high vibration. If we feel far away from God, let's just raise our vibration so we can feel close to God. And so I heard that you could raise your vibration by going into the earth and being a human, because you can do unconditional love. And so I decided to do that, even knowing I was gonna attract a horrible life with my low vibration. I was a low vibrational spirit.

I came in to raise my vibration. And so after I figured it out and then I can have a high vibration, I feel like I said, like honoring my valiant spirit that was willing to come in here and raise my vibration and to do unconditional love. And like I say, you can't even do it unless you have adversity because, you know, that's what, that's what it is. Unconditional love is very high vibration.

Um, so there you go.

Sue (40:10.962)
Wow. Oh my goodness, Kathleen. Okay. So a couple of things. First and foremost, you are such a light in this conversation. It's just been so amazing. You've shared so many incredible insights, so much wisdom, and I think people are going to have so many takeaways. I'm just so honored to have had this time with you.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (40:33.307)
Thank you.

Sue (40:35.814)
You've been amazing now in closing. You've already said so many amazing things. But if there were just one message, your hope for everybody, what is that closing message you'd like to leave us with?

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (40:49.513)
I have to say that worrying, what worrying is, is making up a sad story and believing in it. So what we need to do, worrying, and when we worry about somebody, we are actually like cursing them with our low vibrational thing that we're sending to them. So we need to just stop doing that, stop worrying about people. And when we think of somebody,

Um, just think of, um, a good story for them. Like they want to go do this. And then mom goes, yeah, I'm worried about this, and this. And then we're sending them out cursed. No, we need to think of a good story, make up a good story and send it off to them. Um, as a blessing. And, um, so don't worry.

Make up a good story and send it off with the people that you love. I know it's really hard because when you've had trauma, you're kind of tracking for trauma, you know, to protect yourself. But no, it's not productive. It's not going to help anybody out. So we need to just stop doing that.

Sue (42:08.047)
Oh my goodness, I love it. That was such a powerful closing message. You've been so amazing and so awesome, Kathleen. Thank you so much.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (42:18.133)
Oh, you're welcome. Can I tell about my book a little bit?

Sue (42:22.335)
Yes, share about your book.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (42:24.161)
Okay, so I've got this book, Wisdom on the Camino, A Spiritual Journey Sharing Forgiveness and Possibilities to Inspire the Rest of Your Life. You can get it on Amazon and like if you buy the digital book, please read it because I get paid per page. You know, they don't, that's how I get paid. And also right across from the table of contents, there's a page that says read this first and it's my gift to my readers.

people tell me, oh, you should put your pictures in. They're so great. And I'm like, yeah, and then it'll be $50 for my book. So I made a website and with portfolios and galleries of my pictures. So each chapter, you can read the book and see the pictures for each chapter. And so, yeah.

You have to double opt in though, sorry about that, but that's just the way it is nowadays. And then you can see the pictures while you're reading.

Sue (43:31.474)
Oh my God, I love it. And I'll be sure to have links for people for that so they can access that and.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (43:38.002)
And leave a review, please.

Sue (43:41.585)
Yeah, that would be amazing. You beyond deserve it. You've been so wonderful. Thank you so much, Kathleen.

Kathleen Donnelly Israel (43:49.861)
Thank you too for this wonderful opportunity. Love you.

Sue (43:54.948)
Oh, you've been amazing. Thank you so much.